what about the ps3 thats a blueray player. you dont need to buy a 1000 dollar player when theres one for 500-600damann22
Sony hyped up about how the PlayStation2 was able to play DVD movies well before launch, and at launch time, it was the single cheapest thing that could play DVD movies. However, it was quickly evident that the DVD player of the PS2 was ultra weak, and ironically enough, only furthered to wreck PS2's left and right. History strongly indicates that the PS3 - as a BluRay player - will be just as unreliable over time, and that there will probably be yet another class-action lawsuit about Sony purposely making them weakly all over again. Considering the latest rumors indicating that Sony is planning to remove the PS2 EE and PS1 CPU from the original reference hardware design on the PS3 PCB, that would only indicate that they're trying to make them even more cheaply made, and that the BC issues that were experienced with the initial release consoles would be only the beginning of the problems PS3 users will have in playing their BC games.
Sony hyped up about how the PlayStation2 was able to play DVD movies well before launch, and at launch time, it was the single cheapest thing that could play DVD movies.
Cheapest thing in JAPAN yes, here? No. I paid $269 for my Pioneer DV-414 5 months earlier.
History strongly indicates that the PS3 - as a BluRay player - will be just as unreliable over time, and that there will probably be yet another class-action lawsuit about Sony purposely making them weakly all over again.
History would, yes, except that it's an identical drive in all first-gen BluRay players(for the actual motor and laser). I've seen one opened up, there aren't any of the cheap plastic parts in there that made the PS1 and 2 drives unreliable and prone to dying. That being said, the slot load is what I believe will die on people, I really hope I can hold out for a tray loading PSThree, though I get the sneaking suspicion that it's there to stop flip top loading.
Considering the latest rumors indicating that Sony is planning to remove the PS2 EE and PS1 CPU from the original reference hardware design on the PS3 PCB, that would only indicate that they're trying to make them even more cheaply made, and that the BC issues that were experienced with the initial release consoles would be only the beginning of the problems PS3 users will have in playing their BC games
That's just typical chip on board reduction. It happens to any piece of electronics that's manufactured over the course of many years. Yes it's less than ideal, but it results in a signifigant cost reduction.
That's just typical chip on board reduction. It happens to any piece of electronics that's manufactured over the course of many years. Yes it's less than ideal, but it results in a signifigant cost reduction.Kodai_kun
Do you really think that any of that cost reduction will be passed to the consumer? The SIXAXIS in particular is also just reckless "cost savings gone wrong." Even compared to the DualShock2's that have been packaged with new PStwo's, the SIXAXIS feels horribly flimsy and frail. And where I rather admired the firm feel of the L2/R2 buttons on the PS1/2 controllers, I find the SIXAXIS's triggers absolutely craptastic. Along with no user-replaceable battery, and Sony's [sarcasm]incredibly reliable and long-lasting batteries[/sarcasm], we can have marathon gamers' hands liquifying as the internal batteries exploding and or flat out dying within a year unable to ever hold a charge again.
Do you really think that any of that cost reduction will be passed to the consumer?
I don't think they have a choice but to drop at least 50, and they'd be stupid not to drop $100 by Christmas. This should be hypothetically possible through the move to 65nm, chip reduction and the continued fast reduction of the cost of the blue diodes. I can't afford one yet, and I'm hoping Sony drops sooner rather than later because there's a lot of 360 games coming out I want, and I'm pretty sure they'll pricedrop at the same time(and hopefully the same amount)
The SIXAXIS in particular is also just reckless "cost savings gone wrong." Even compared to the DualShock2's that have been packaged with new PStwo's, the SIXAXIS feels horribly flimsy and frail. And where I rather admired the firm feel of the L2/R2 buttons on the PS1/2 controllers, I find the SIXAXIS's triggers absolutely craptastic. Along with no user-replaceable battery, and Sony's [sarcasm]incredibly reliable and long-lasting batteries[/sarcasm], we can have marathon gamers' hands liquifying as the internal batteries exploding and or flat out dying within a year unable to ever hold a charge again.
I totally agree, I'll never understand this obcession with wireless controllers, especially when build quality is sacrificed for the "feature". A user replaceable battery needs to be a standard feature in anything rechargeable. The whole "tilt control" thing is just silly
I totally agree, I'll never understand this obcession with wireless controllers, especially when build quality is sacrificed for the "feature". A user replaceable battery needs to be a standard feature in anything rechargeable. The whole "tilt control" thing is just sillyKodai_kun
I rather enjoy wireless, because now with wireless controllers, about a good 2/3 of the clutter I'd normally have to contend with and clean up is gone (simply, the wires). But I just don't understand Sony's method, especially with how much of a (blatantly) cheap imitation it is to a (perceptively) better execution from Microsoft and Nintendo. I guess this is what Sony fans get thanks to Sony's arrogance in not settling with Immersion earlier. :? Not to mention that the tilt control thing in the SIXAXIS absolutely does not work. Even in games that claimed to support it, no matter how much I jarred the controller around did nothing that helped me in-game. And the overwhelming *MINORITY* of games that do support it on the PS3 compared to the brilliant execution in most Wii games.
r u stupid or something? i don't know where you live, forget about the sale numbers, actually ask the people. who the freaking crap actually has an hd-dvd player? the only people with blu-ray players are the people with ps3's. also, while hd-dvd's might be cheaper to buy and make, they hold nowhere near as much as blu ray discs, which leads most people to belive that blu ray will win in the long run. with good movies split equally between both formats, its still to early to prove anything. by the way, just to prove i'm not a fanboy, i don't have either hdvd or bluray.
You do realize that the 2:1 ratio is only for this year. Since both have been out Blu-ray has a slight lead of 53%-47%. And that the HD DVD camp had virtually no releases over the winter. Let's just see what the summer brings.
There are zero signs that HD-DVD is going to win out. Sony owns one of the largest and probably the largest electronics company and motion pictures entertainments, owning Sony pictures, Columbia pictures, and Tri-Star pictures and they all make exclusive movies for blu-ray only. And other third parties like Disney and MGM, their movies exclusive for only blu-ray. The only exclusive hd-dvd has is universal and they are going to go neutral at the end of the year making movies for both. Even if Universal stays with them, the future looks pretty bleak. The only advantage hd-dvd had was cheaper players, but with Blu ray players dropping in price and huge price cuts by the end of the year to $400 dollars while HD-DVD is $300 dollars so hd-dvd will not even be able to claim that their players are cheaper. Even neutral sides like Warner Bros movies are selling more on blu-ray than hd-dvd. I don't think hd-dvd will be dead yet, it will put up a good fight but blu-ray will be the winner. The HD-DVD will be the new Betamax except this time it's not Sony falling like they did on the Betamax back when it was fighting against VHS. And with Sony teaming up with Samsung making Plasmas, LCD's and Blu-Ray players together, dang. And if you look at the sales on Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, Blu-Ray is not actually winning out 2 to 1 on HD-DVD but it's actually going to hit 3 to 1.
So im curious, where exactly did Universal state its plans to go over to BD by the end of the year? You also forgot HD DVD has The Weinstein Company as well, they have some fairly big movies coming out this year. Also, do you really think BD player prices are going to drop 60% i highly doubt that, at least in one year. Sony always over promises and under delivers.
You do realize that the 2:1 ratio is only for this year. Since both have been out Blu-ray has a slight lead of 53%-47%. And that the HD DVD camp had virtually no releases over the winter. Let's just see what the summer brings.BadAndy642
actually your percentages are rong blu ray has a much bigger lead than that. read the articles which are very recent
[QUOTE="damann22"]what about the ps3 thats a blueray player. you dont need to buy a 1000 dollar player when theres one for 500-600codezer0
Sony hyped up about how the PlayStation2 was able to play DVD movies well before launch, and at launch time, it was the single cheapest thing that could play DVD movies. However, it was quickly evident that the DVD player of the PS2 was ultra weak, and ironically enough, only furthered to wreck PS2's left and right. History strongly indicates that the PS3 - as a BluRay player - will be just as unreliable over time, and that there will probably be yet another class-action lawsuit about Sony purposely making them weakly all over again. Considering the latest rumors indicating that Sony is planning to remove the PS2 EE and PS1 CPU from the original reference hardware design on the PS3 PCB, that would only indicate that they're trying to make them even more cheaply made, and that the BC issues that were experienced with the initial release consoles would be only the beginning of the problems PS3 users will have in playing their BC games. Actually, the PS3 has been rated quite well as a Blu-Ray player. What does BC and the sixaxis have to do with which HD format is doing better? For all the people calling Kodai a Sony fanboy, I see him actually making a logical analysis of the industry, while the general tone I get from many other posters in this thread is "I hate the PS3 and I want Sony to die!" At least Kodai has remained consistant, while the BR haters have been jumping from point to point as each one is refuted, never acknowledging that their previous point was proved wrong. The opening of this thread with system wars language like "HD-DVD is owning blu-Ray" was a pretty clear signal that this wasn't going to be a logical discussion from the get-go.
[QUOTE="BadAndy642"]You do realize that the 2:1 ratio is only for this year. Since both have been out Blu-ray has a slight lead of 53%-47%. And that the HD DVD camp had virtually no releases over the winter. Let's just see what the summer brings.KEM92
actually your percentages are rong blu ray has a much bigger lead than that. read the articles which are very recent
I did read those articles, as well as virtually every article on the format war. Blu-ray has taken the lead EACH week in 2007, but only until recently have the passed the total numbers since inception. So this past week that they sold 70%/30% for THAT week, not overall. Understand? Last that I heard the total sales since day one are BD- 53% HD DVD- 47%
EDIT: Actually we now have concrete numbers from Sony on the war. Since inception BD have sold 844,000 units/discs (54.4% marketshare) and HD DVD have sold 708,600 units/discs (45.6% marketshare) LINK
So im curious, where exactly did Universal state its plans to go over to BD by the end of the year? You also forgot HD DVD has The Weinstein Company as well, they have some fairly big movies coming out this year.
Weinstein has virtually no big catalog titles to speak of, and their new releases aren't big enough to be a tide turner (in reality, no new releases would be from anyone, it's all a combination of catalog and new). Especially since in the early days of any format, there's a huge action/adventure concentration in titles, not exactly something Weinstein has an abundant supply of (outside the HK film library they finally stopped butchering and the Kill Bill final cut that is unlikely to make it out before Disney ships the (Blu-Ray exclusive) theatrical versions of 1 and 2(and neither one of those are system sellers by themselves) Uni is no longer exclusive contractually, and especially if a large retailer drops HD-DVD (which Wal-Mart and Best Buy are likely to do by January, that's just inside info right now). Frankly, I believe they're waiting to see how TotalHD does,because Universal has always been about inventory reduction in their output philosophy (going to DVD-18 with TV sets almost exclusively, and doing it instead of 2-discs). That's the other reason they latched onto HD-DVD because they could do the flippers with standard DVD. Considering they are now reissuing Army of Darkness and a few other titles single sided now, I'd say that philosophy may be changing. The new numbers are YTD- 43.16 HD-DVDs sold for every 100 Blu-Ray and HD-DVD losing another 2% of the total discs sold down to 77.88 per 100 BR. As they're losing 2-4% a week of the overall sales, a trend that shows no sign of stopping , especially in light of there being no A+ exclusive catalog titles in the offering(while BR has several dozen), It's done It's over, it's been over since before it started., and if you think cheap players are going to help them, I hate to tell you, but with the new reduction in prices combined with the "five free discs" offer(manufacturing costs($3 each)+paying the studios for them, has to be $25) Toshiba is taking a BATH on those discounted decks, as the current players were barely at break even as it was(and probably only breakeven with subsidies).
Everyone is entitled to their own perception of this format war and how its going to turn out, obviously peoples are going to differ. I'm tired of arguing with everybody about which is better, i like HD DVD and Blu Ray with a bias to HD DVD. You guys just like BD thats fine, we just need to stop trying to one up each other lol.
I'm tired of arguing with everybody about which is better, i like HD DVD and Blu Ray with a bias to HD DVD. You guys just like BD thats fine, we just need to stop trying to one up each other lol.
The two technologies are virtually identical in terms of tech specs. There is no real "better" when it comes to the picture and sound they're capable of. It's simply the realities of retail and who has the biggest bullhorn.
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