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#1 Thug_Pikachu
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ok so I want to get into PC gaming but I'm not sure If my pc has what it takes to run the games, I did the can I run it test and passed everything except the videocard because my PC only has a intergrated one which is trash. I was checking the graphics card thread and I decided I want the 7600 Geforce GT but I dont have a PCI-E slot . my Computer only has an "AGP" slot but it doesnt say whether its AGP2x,4,x,or 8x. it just says AGP ?  So will the AGP version of that card work on my PC ?

Games I'm trying to play without totally upgrading my PC
-World of Warcraft and BC
-Battlefield 2
-Unreal 2k4
-Guild Wars
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The card will fit the slot, but you might want to make sure that your power supply is powerful enough (400w should do it, 350 would be pushing it).
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#3 TheLiberal
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When did you get it?
If it was between 2 and 4 years ago, it's 4x/8x, which will run the newer AGP cards.
AGP 7600 GTs on newegg
7800GS
AGP X1950Pros
Check out the 7800GS and X1950Pro.  The pro is significantly more money, but it's fast.  The 7800GS is not that much more and is somewhat faster than the 7600GT.
Good luck.

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#4 TheLiberal
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The card will fit the slot, but you might want to make sure that your power supply is powerful enough (400w should do it, 350 would be pushing it).DGFreak


No, 350W wouldn't be "pushing it" for the 7600GT.  That's the reccomended PSU wattage for his graphics card.  It doesn't even take 75W under full load.
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#5 Thug_Pikachu
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When did you get it?
If it was between 2 and 4 years ago, it's 4x/8x, which will run the newer AGP cards.
AGP 7600 GTs on newegg
7800GS
AGP X1950Pros
Check out the 7800GS and X1950Pro. The pro is significantly more money, but it's fast. The 7800GS is not that much more and is somewhat faster than the 7600GT.
Good luck.

TheLiberal
I got it last year. I'll probably buy a totally new PC in winter in hopes of running Crysis
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#6 eternaldj
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upgrade to a PCI-E16x computer sometime in the new future since AGP is pretty much dead
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#7 Thug_Pikachu
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I think my max voltage is 300W , can I use the card ?
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#8 blazethe1
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get a new computer. the end.
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#9 Thug_Pikachu
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get a new computer. the end.blazethe1
why would I buy a new computer just to play 2004 games ?
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well, before you go around buying new video cards, make sure that you dont have fast memory and a fast processor. If you do in fact have those two things, you may not actually need a fast graphics card to run the games on medium to low settings.

However, if you want to run your games on full settings, you will need a powerful processor, lots of fast memory, and a fast graphics card

The next computer that you get, I would recommend that you build your own computer. Believe me, it isn't as hard as it sounds.

gaming computers have 9 basic parts

1. Processor: I would recommend a core 2 duo, but if you're on a tight budget, get the AMD Athlon 64

2. Motherboard: I would recommend either an Asus P5L-MX for intel processors, or the ECS C51GM-M for AMD processors, however, I dont use IEEE 1394 ports. you'll need to find a motherboard that has IEEE 1394 internal connectors if you plan on using a case with IEEE 1394 (a.k.a firewire)

3. Case: make sure that your case will fit your Power supply, and your motherboard

4. Power supply: I would recommend  this power supply

5. video card: make sure that the slot on the card and the motherboard are the same

6. hard drive: I would recommend SATA 300 hard drives

7. DVD or CD drives: I would recommend Dual Layer DVD writers. Some DVD drives come with DVD playback software and DVD burning software

8. RAM also called memory: If you are using the motherboards i recommend, try to get the desired amount of memory in two memory sticks, but only if you dont plan on upgrading. I would recommend 2gigabytes of memory

9. Operating system(s): that is right, I did use plural. You can have multiple operating systems on one machine in case you have some software that you dont want to throw out such as DVD burning software or DVD playback software when you upgrade to windows vista

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[QUOTE="TheLiberal"]When did you get it?
If it was between 2 and 4 years ago, it's 4x/8x, which will run the newer AGP cards.
AGP 7600 GTs on newegg
7800GS
AGP X1950Pros
Check out the 7800GS and X1950Pro. The pro is significantly more money, but it's fast. The 7800GS is not that much more and is somewhat faster than the 7600GT.
Good luck.

Thug_Pikachu
I got it last year. I'll probably buy a totally new PC in winter in hopes of running Crysis



You got it last year and it has an AGP slot...you're sure?
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well, before you go around buying new video cards, make sure that you dont have fast memory and a fast processor. If you do in fact have those two things, you may not actually need a fast graphics card to run the games on medium to low settings.

However, if you want to run your games on full settings, you will need a powerful processor, lots of fast memory, and a fast graphics card353535355353535

What in the...
No IGP is going to be able to run any decent games at any decent resolutions or framerates.  They're not ment for it.  I don't think this guy wants to run old titles at 640*480.
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well, before you go around buying new video cards, make sure that you dont have fast memory and a fast processor. If you do in fact have those two things, you may not actually need a fast graphics card to run the games on medium to low settings.

However, if you want to run your games on full settings, you will need a powerful processor, lots of fast memory, and a fast graphics card

The next computer that you get, I would recommend that you build your own computer. Believe me, it isn't as hard as it sounds.

gaming computers have 9 basic parts

1. Processor: I would recommend a core 2 duo, but if you're on a tight budget, get the AMD Athlon 64

2. Motherboard: I would recommend either an Asus P5L-MX for intel processors, or the ECS C51GM-M for AMD processors, however, I dont use IEEE 1394 ports. you'll need to find a motherboard that has IEEE 1394 internal connectors if you plan on using a case with IEEE 1394 (a.k.a firewire)

3. Case: make sure that your case will fit your Power supply, and your motherboard

4. Power supply: I would recommend this power supply

5. video card: make sure that the slot on the card and the motherboard are the same

6. hard drive: I would recommend SATA 300 hard drives

7. DVD or CD drives: I would recommend Dual Layer DVD writers. Some DVD drives come with DVD playback software and DVD burning software

8. RAM also called memory: If you are using the motherboards i recommend, try to get the desired amount of memory in two memory sticks, but only if you dont plan on upgrading. I would recommend 2gigabytes of memory

9. Operating system(s): that is right, I did use plural. You can have multiple operating systems on one machine in case you have some software that you dont want to throw out such as DVD burning software or DVD playback software when you upgrade to windows vista

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well I just want this graphics card to play some older PC games, I took the Can I run it test and pased FEAR, BF2, Unreal ,WOW, and every other game I wanted to play except for the videocard . I was planning on buying a new PC would this run Crysis ?
** iBUYPOWER Recommended ** NZXT PF-500 500 Watt Power Supply
Intel® Pentium-D Processor 940 [3.2GHz, Dual-Core, 2x2MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, 64-Bit] [DDR2]
ECS C19-A SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound,
Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0 Dual PCI-E MB 200 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 8M Cache]
16x DVD-ROM Drive
18X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium

 with a Direct 10x Graphics card and 2 gigs of ram
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#14 Thug_Pikachu
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[QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"][QUOTE="TheLiberal"]When did you get it?
If it was between 2 and 4 years ago, it's 4x/8x, which will run the newer AGP cards.
AGP 7600 GTs on newegg
7800GS
AGP X1950Pros
Check out the 7800GS and X1950Pro. The pro is significantly more money, but it's fast. The 7800GS is not that much more and is somewhat faster than the 7600GT.
Good luck.

TheLiberal
I got it last year. I'll probably buy a totally new PC in winter in hopes of running Crysis



You got it last year and it has an AGP slot...you're sure?

yes , the slot says "AGP1"
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That rig is kind of nice, but the processor is not what id recommend for that price. You should probably get 5 more dollars and get the Intel Core 2 duo E6300
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#16 TheLiberal
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[QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]well I just want this graphics card to play some older PC games, I took the Can I run it test and pased FEAR, BF2, Unreal ,WOW, and every other game I wanted to play except for the videocard . I was planning on buying a new PC would this run Crysis ?
** iBUYPOWER Recommended ** NZXT PF-500 500 Watt Power Supply
Intel® Pentium-D Processor 940 [3.2GHz, Dual-Core, 2x2MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, 64-Bit] [DDR2]
ECS C19-A SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound,
Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0 Dual PCI-E MB 200 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 8M Cache]
16x DVD-ROM Drive
18X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium

with a Direct 10x Graphics card and 2 gigs of ram



Eh...Vista. Hopefully they've worked out bugs, driver, and compatibility issues by the time you buy.
As for the Pentium D...don't get it. Get a Core 2 Duo.  With a C2D and a gf 8800 or radeon X2800 series card, I'm sure you'll be able to run crysis nicely.  Although no one knows for sure how crysis will run on anything yet, I know they don't want to make the entry level for that game too high or no one will have the gear to run it, and the 8800s and X2800s will still be high end equipment when it's released.

As for your computer now, you will be able to run those games you listed (at reasonable resolutions/quality settings) with the 7600GT.
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[QUOTE="DGFreak"]The card will fit the slot, but you might want to make sure that your power supply is powerful enough (400w should do it, 350 would be pushing it).TheLiberal


No, 350W wouldn't be "pushing it" for the 7600GT. That's the reccomended PSU wattage for his graphics card. It doesn't even take 75W under full load.

i have a 300 watt PSU, my gt works great.
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#18 Thug_Pikachu
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[QUOTE="TheLiberal"][QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]well I just want this graphics card to play some older PC games, I took the Can I run it test and pased FEAR, BF2, Unreal ,WOW, and every other game I wanted to play except for the videocard . I was planning on buying a new PC would this run Crysis ?
** iBUYPOWER Recommended ** NZXT PF-500 500 Watt Power Supply
Intel® Pentium-D Processor 940 [3.2GHz, Dual-Core, 2x2MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, 64-Bit] [DDR2]
ECS C19-A SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound,
Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0 Dual PCI-E MB 200 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 8M Cache]
16x DVD-ROM Drive
18X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium

with a Direct 10x Graphics card and 2 gigs of ram



Eh...Vista. Hopefully they've worked out bugs, driver, and compatibility issues by the time you buy.
As for the Pentium D...don't get it. Get a Core 2 Duo.

As for your computer now, you will be able to run those games you listed (at reasonable resolutions/quality settings) with the 7600GT.

uh whats the difference between Core 2 duo and Dual-Core ? isnt having a 3.2 Dual-Core like having a 6.4 ghz processor ?
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uh whats the difference between Core 2 duo and Dual-Core ? isnt having a 3.2 Dual-Core like having a 6.4 ghz processor ? Thug_Pikachu

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If only I had a dollar every time I've heard that.  No.  It's like having two 3.2GHz Pentium 4s.  It's only faster in applications or games that are able to take advantage of two cores, though.  This is becoming more prevalent, but there are a lot of games that aren't able to use both cores at once (single vs multi-threaded).
The Core 2 Duo is a dual core processor, just like the Pentium D, except the Pentium D is two Pentium 4s together, while the Core 2 Duo is two new cores together.  The new cores are able to do more each cycle, rather than doing more, less productive cycles.  The end result is that they are much faster, require less electricity, and create less heat.

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[QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"][QUOTE="TheLiberal"][QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]well I just want this graphics card to play some older PC games, I took the Can I run it test and pased FEAR, BF2, Unreal ,WOW, and every other game I wanted to play except for the videocard . I was planning on buying a new PC would this run Crysis ?
** iBUYPOWER Recommended ** NZXT PF-500 500 Watt Power Supply
Intel® Pentium-D Processor 940 [3.2GHz, Dual-Core, 2x2MB Cache, 800MHz FSB, 64-Bit] [DDR2]
ECS C19-A SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound,
Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0 Dual PCI-E MB 200 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 8M Cache]
16x DVD-ROM Drive
18X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive
3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard 600W PMPO 3 PCS Super Bass Subwoofer Speaker System Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium

with a Direct 10x Graphics card and 2 gigs of ram



Eh...Vista. Hopefully they've worked out bugs, driver, and compatibility issues by the time you buy.
As for the Pentium D...don't get it. Get a Core 2 Duo.

As for your computer now, you will be able to run those games you listed (at reasonable resolutions/quality settings) with the 7600GT.

uh whats the difference between Core 2 duo and Dual-Core ? isnt having a 3.2 Dual-Core like having a 6.4 ghz processor ?

Core 2 Duo is faster because the intructions have fewer pipes to go through i think...something like that. But no, my 3.2 Dual Core is rated at 5.29ghz and my friends Core 2 Duo 1.86ghz beats it.
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[QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]uh whats the difference between Core 2 duo and Dual-Core ? isnt having a 3.2 Dual-Core like having a 6.4 ghz processor ? TheLiberal

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If only I had a dollar every time I've heard that. No. It's like having two 3.2GHz Pentium 4s. It's only faster in applications or games that are able to take advantage of two cores, though. This is becoming more prevalent, but there are a lot of games that aren't able to use both cores at once (single vs multi-threaded).
The Core 2 Duo is a dual core processor, just like the Pentium D, except the Pentium D is two Pentium 4s together, while the Core 2 Duo is two new cores together. The new cores are able to do more each cycle, rather than doing more, less productive cycles. The end result is that they are much faster, require less electricity, and create less heat.

so for next gen PC games like crysis a core 2 duo is better than dual core
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[QUOTE="TheLiberal"][QUOTE="Thug_Pikachu"]uh whats the difference between Core 2 duo and Dual-Core ? isnt having a 3.2 Dual-Core like having a 6.4 ghz processor ? Thug_Pikachu

*sigh
If only I had a dollar every time I've heard that. No. It's like having two 3.2GHz Pentium 4s. It's only faster in applications or games that are able to take advantage of two cores, though. This is becoming more prevalent, but there are a lot of games that aren't able to use both cores at once (single vs multi-threaded).
The Core 2 Duo is a dual core processor, just like the Pentium D, except the Pentium D is two Pentium 4s together, while the Core 2 Duo is two new cores together. The new cores are able to do more each cycle, rather than doing more, less productive cycles. The end result is that they are much faster, require less electricity, and create less heat.

so for next gen PC games like crysis a core 2 duo is better than dual core



No, a Core 2 Duo IS a dual core, but so are the Pentium Ds.  The C2Ds are much better than the Pentium Ds.  They're different models.  I guess you could say that just like new features come out on cars every year, processors are changed to increase performance over time.  Think of the Pentium Ds as old models and the C2Ds as the new, improved models.
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Hmm... elaborate...
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#25 Thug_Pikachu
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is the Geforce 7600 GS enough to run those games I listed. I'm currently working with a 2.6 Pentium 4 processor, 40 gig HDD, and 768 sd ram . oh course I plan on updating with a totally new computer in Dec/Nov
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dude, i have a geforce 6800 and i can run all those games u listed easily..cept crysis of course. you might want to get another 256mb stick of ram, thats like extremely cheap at compusa. the hard drive doesnt do much for games, except loading times maybe. a 2.6 is fine for any of those old games. im in the same boat as you though, im upgrading this year also. my current rig is: processor: pentium 4 @ 3.4Ghz graphics: geforce 6800 Memory: 2gigs ddr2 motherboard: not sure, a dell thats not that bad power supply: 180w lol when i upgrade, i play to replace everything except my disk drives, hard drives, processor, and sound card