How can Fallout 3 improve upon the gameplay in Fallout?

[QUOTE="Alaris83"]
So because KOTORII had some bugs and a nonexistant ending, you're willing to rank it up there with Invisible War, the biggest travesty in gaming? At least Obsidian added to the gameplay of KOTOR as opposed to wholesale slaughter of many of the features that made the Deus Ex so great. Which, sadly, is a lot like we're probably going to see Bethesda do with the Fallout franchise. Yeah, lets cut out the depth, streamline all the features, and put it in a shoebox for the Xbots. Brilliant!
Mediocre_man90

Obsidian didn't add to the gameplay, they made all of your party members mindless drones who believe whatever you tell them. Call me crazy, but I actually like the fact that the characters in KotOR 1 had distinct personalities. I like the fact that I can't turn Canderous into a peace-loving hippie just because I'm lightside and talk to him alot. The influence system was the reason that the characters in 2 sucked, but nobody realizes it.

They also demolished what was shaping up to be a great story, instead deciding to kill off all the jedi for no reason. I think we haven't heard any news on a 3rd KotOR because everyone's trying to figure out what the hell to do story-wise.

This is what happens with KOTOR II, a few Bioware fanboys who only played NWN and the 1st KOTOR hold it to be some kind of work of genious while decry the 2nd one and apparently think everyone hates it, despite the fact of when you look at the player reviews it was scored only .2 points less.

Anyways Malak has got to be one of the lamest vilains ever, the ones in KOTOR II were much better.

[QUOTE="onemic"]since it's bethesda that's making the game? The gameplay would probably get worse. Johnny_Rock

Agreed.  I believe that it will be more like Oblivion than Fallout 1 and 2.

I completely agree with you. I was quite upset when at first I heard that bethesda had gotten the fallout rights. I knew fallout3 would not be what so many fallout fans have been waiting for all these years. Who're we kidding anyways? In the back our minds, we knew, after black isle went under, if it were to be picked up, the next fallout would not be the same. Oblivion was fun for the first 6 hours, overrated, but add some user created mods and that game was much better. *side note: thanks to all those people who modded the hell out of oblivion to make it better. bethesda should take notice and hire the real talent. should probably post on this later on as a thank you note I've decided not to expect much from fallout 3, excited as I am, I don't want to be let down. Hopefully it'll be a great gaming experience in a nuclear wasteland.

Face it. You can't get Bioware to do it cause they've turned into console loving freaks. The only time they'll make a pc game is after it's a bloody console game first. Obsidian? Don't know what to think of them anymore. Kotor 2 really hurt my opinion of them. Oh and by the way the villains in kotor 2 were pathetic little girly men. Hell, my little pony could kick there asses combined. Personally I like Bethesda. I don't like everything about there games, but on the whole I've enjoyed there games. Heck, why don't we just get "Running with sissors" to make the next fallout game. That way it can be the most offensive fallout yet.wallydog63

[QUOTE="wallydog63"]Face it. You can't get Bioware to do it cause they've turned into console loving freaks. The only time they'll make a pc game is after it's a bloody console game first. Obsidian? Don't know what to think of them anymore. Kotor 2 really hurt my opinion of them. Oh and by the way the villains in kotor 2 were pathetic little girly men. Hell, my little pony could kick there asses combined. Personally I like Bethesda. I don't like everything about there games, but on the whole I've enjoyed there games. Heck, why don't we just get "Running with sissors" to make the next fallout game. That way it can be the most offensive fallout yet.Alaris83

You know who I'd really like to own the Fallout franchise? Irrational. They've done a fantastic job with every single game they've made, from System Shock 2 to Freedom Force to Tribes: Vengeance. They would rock the house.PutU2REM

Yeah, I personally like Bethesda. I loved Morrowind, and even though Oblivion was watered down, it was still a decent game. I am looking forward to Fallout 3 if only to see where they take it. It may be horrible, but if a developer picks up such a beloved franchise I have to think they'll at least try to keep the feel of the series. I do have to say I'd rather see Obsidian do it, simply because they're essentially Black Isle Lite, regardless of what I feel they did to KotOR. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

I do have two points in response to the KotOR debate, then hopefully I'll shut up.

1.Bastila and Carth, whether you like them or not, were memorable characters. They actually had personality. You also conveniently left out HK-47 and Jolee Bindo, two of the greatest NPC's I've ever seen. Each character had their own unique backstory and personality, and they acted accordingly. I like that, and I think Bioware did a good job. Obsidian, on the other hand created characters that will literally do whatever you tell them if you talk to them enough. I see that as a way to avoid having to make a halfway decent NPC. The only thing I remember about 2's party members is that I didn't care about them at all. that's not good.

2.Darth Nihilus was awesome, yes, Scion was a pansy who just wastes your time and effort (and a stupid idea, if you ask me). Don't even get me started on Kreia, the "neutral" party member. I honestly think that she is the major reason why that game's story sucked so much.

[QUOTE="PutU2REM"]You know who I'd really like to own the Fallout franchise? Irrational. They've done a fantastic job with every single game they've made, from System Shock 2 to Freedom Force to Tribes: Vengeance. They would rock the house.Alaris83

Hell, at least the npc's in kotor had there own personallities. At least Carth and Bastilla didn't sissy whine like that little thief you pick up in the beginning of kotor2. God he was annoying. Then to really make you respect the brilliant writing, he turns out to be a Jedi killing machine, or so he whines. God, he couldn't have killed Bastilla's mom in the original.

The storyline in 2 was like drinking generic lit beer. It tastes like watered down pee. I really was looking forward to 2 with bated breath, only to get that piece of swill. The npc's in 2 had no personallity of there own. They were boot lickers and whiners.

Here's one for you. How could an old woman who wasn't that tough when you played her, suddenly come up with the strength to wipe out three Jedi masters that you couldn't do a damn thing about, in one blow, only to get her ass kicked by you at the end. Yeah, great core gaming there.

How about the whishy washy script writing trying not to offend anyone. Oh Darth no nuts was a woman, no? ok a man. He or she was the hero of the republic, no? oh they actually were the scourge of it. Bastilla was evil, no? oh thats right she turned back. Damn, it sounds like accurate history lessons to me. Man, what a chop job. What did they do, hire the writers from "AS THE WORLD CHURNS"? Heaven help us if they ever make #3.

Oh yeah, my favorite character from 2. "I don't care if you're Jedi or Sith, just fix the republic before it crashes in 2.37 months. I'll send my pet tallywacker along to make sure no innocent gerbles are harmed." What a pathetic character. He's Darth Vader and Mr. Rogers all rolled into one happy go lucky person.

As far as Irrational, they're already busy on Bioshock, which looks like a must have already and yeah, those guys are great. I'm going to keep an open mind about Fallout 3 and simply hope for the best. I'll be willing to give it a try.  Oh yeah, as far as Dragon Age.  I'll make sure to look for that one soon.( I really do hope they do it.  I like there stuff.  I'm just tired of them giving 90% of there time to consoles and then pc's just the port overs).

There is a huge amount of ways the fallout 3 could be improved. Fallout (despite my undying love for her) was far from perfect.

Main thing, I would like to see a lot more consequences for your choices/multiple paths. Things that effect you, and effect the world.

Number 2: These days it seems everybody is afraid to do a good turnbased combat system. There are all sorts of excuses like "it won't sell" or "it is outdated", but these seem to have little merit. Especially saying RT is some sort of step forward from TB. I would like FO's system to be upgraded, get some duck and cover tactics, control youre cone of burst, crouch, fire while moving, roll, be able to target and destroy environment etc.

Number 3: Travel system revamp. I really hope it isnt a scaled down world like recent ES games. Travel should be a challenge in itself, choose how you want to travel, what to take, where to camp, etc. Dehydration was a good start in Fallout, but could be expanded a lot.

Number 4: Details. Nuances to gameplay. Like I said, things like Dehydration were good, but there is plenty of room to expand here.

There is plently more, and maybe I'll put it down later, if you are lucky. I for would would like the "figure it out on youre own"  kind of quest continued, and prevent each quest from being isolated. Your actions should have logical ramifications for future gameplay. No hints, no "fake" dialogue options or superficial choices, etc. I would also like to see more gameplay nt tied directly to quests. Things like messingaround with factions and exploring. Just ecause you run out of quests, the game shouldnt be over.

edit: somebody siad fallout was painful to look at. I disagree. Sure pixels, eh, but the art is brilliant, and I rate that over next gen bloom particle parellax mapped bump ragdoll graphics anyday. Atmosphere > shinyness. I would rather have aspects like destructable environments and bodies whose blood doesnt fade than ultra-awesome graphics.