How is Dragon Age compared to other Bioware games?

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#1 Fried_Shrimp
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Where does it rank? I rank previous Bioware/Black Isle games like this. Where do you think Dragon Age would fit?

  1. Planescape Torment
  2. Baldurs Gate 2
  3. Neverwinter Nights
  4. Icewind Dale
  5. KotOR
  6. Baldurs Gate
  7. Icewind Dale 2
  8. Jade Empire
  9. KotOR 2
  10. Neverwinter Nights 2

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#2 PcGamingRig
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just above neverwinter nights

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#3 Gravitational24
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Where's mass effect in your list?

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#4 Fried_Shrimp
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Where's mass effect in your list?

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Tie with Jade Empire. Both had good atmosphere and set pieces with somewhat awkward combat.
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#5 Filthybastrd
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I'd tie it with NWN but I'd also rate both KOTORs higher.

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#6 Fried_Shrimp
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I'd tie it with NWN but I'd also rate both KOTORs higher.

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I highly doubt I'll be tying it with Neverwinter Nights. I'm mad for the toolset. :D
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#7 2uneek4u
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above neverwinter nights

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It is definitely good, but I'm having a really hard time getting into the characters and the story. Its.....typical medieval. Maybe I just don't like that era.

KOTOR and Mass Effect are easily better.

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#9 deactivated-5ac102a4472fe
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Well, Dragonage HAS a TOOLSET ;) Id place it somewhere between BG2 and NWN, it often feels like what NWN was supposed to be, but with a somewhat akward RP system...

I generally like it a lot more then I liked the campaigns in NWN (Somewhat tied with the SoTU). No MP does mean that one of the better aspects of NWN is not preassent, but the campaign is alot better made, and the character sometimes get this really strange air around the, like they had in the BG series. (altho a bit more cliché-ish on the surface)

I think it is just about the best rpg they put out since the NWN games... I really like it. Altho the mainquest is steriotypical and youd swear you can see "Trademarked for LOTR" on atleast half the areas/monsters.

Underneath the Lore, and gameworld are fantastic, I really enjoy it alot (apart from that ghastly mage tower, the idea of playing through that a 4th time gives me the shivers).

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#10 yobaby2009
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dragon age should not be in the list or..... at 10 .

boring as hell..

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#11 naval
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Planescape Torment

Baldurs Gate 2/ Baldurs Gate

NWN 2 : Motb

Icewind Dale 2 == DA O == NWN Exp.

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#12 MadCat46
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Little below BG2, easily their best game since. Personally I think you've got NWN up there a bit to high, unless you really put that much emphasis on the MP.
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#13 fudgeblood
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Dragon Age Origins > Neverwinter Nights, imo. Not sure about the others but it's overall a fantastic game.
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#14 Mograine
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dragon age should not be in the list or..... at 10 .

boring as hell..

yobaby2009

Said the "Dragon Age is similar to Oblivion" and "Fable is the daddy of this kind of RPGs" guy.

Between BG2 and NWN. It's so friggin amazing, although you can't really beat BG2 and Planescape: Torment.

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#15 vertex68
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Going by your chart Id put it slightly below NWN1. DAO has a better single player but stellar multiplayer, great toolset (and I love the D&D setting) makes me set NWN1 higher.

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I'd easily put Mass Effect last in the list. In was very short, leveling was extremely dumbed down, and a premise that was essentially a total ripoff of Star Wars. It seemed unnecessary to me rather than just making another KotOR game.

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#17 MrLions
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[QUOTE="yobaby2009"]

dragon age should not be in the list or..... at 10 .

boring as hell..

Mograine

Said the "Dragon Age is similar to Oblivion" and "Fable is the daddy of this kind of RPGs" guy.

Between BG2 and NWN. It's so friggin amazing, although you can't really beat BG2 and Planescape: Torment.

Fable is a "My first baby RPG" :|
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#18 deactivated-6243ee9902175
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Above Knights of the Old Republic.

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#19 Fried_Shrimp
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Planescape Torment

Baldurs Gate 2/ Baldurs Gate

NWN 2 : Motb

Icewind Dale 2 == DA O == NWN Exp.

naval
IMO NWN:OC > HOTU > SOU so that's bad. Is it dumbed down or just not a very good story?
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#20 Fried_Shrimp
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[QUOTE="yobaby2009"]

dragon age should not be in the list or..... at 10 .

boring as hell..

Mograine

Said the "Dragon Age is similar to Oblivion" and "Fable is the daddy of this kind of RPGs" guy.

Between BG2 and NWN. It's so friggin amazing, although you can't really beat BG2 and Planescape: Torment.

I really wish they would make a PC RPG that was as good as Planescape: Torment. It was so completely alternative and intellectual with all the goodness of a D&D hack'n'slash.
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#21 OgreB
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Instead of a list....why not just say it's one of the best RPGs to come out in the last 5 years ( who cares who made it ) But I'd put it below PS:T and BG2 but above all the rest..... Kotor doesn't even belong on that list....uggh...what a poo sandwich....
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#22 naval
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[QUOTE="naval"]

Planescape Torment

Baldurs Gate 2/ Baldurs Gate

NWN 2 : Motb

Icewind Dale 2 == DA O == NWN Exp.

Fried_Shrimp
IMO NWN:OC > HOTU > SOU so that's bad. Is it dumbed down or just not a very good story?

Personally, I didn't found the main campaign of NWN very good -- it took a lot of time to get get going and in the end just lead to a simple store. And if I have to choose one I would put DA : O above the expansions. Anways, as far DA : O is concerned I thought the story was weak and the class system was pretty simple compared to a DnD ones. The world was nicely detailed but very lackluster (for ex:- names like darkspawn of orcs, archdemon for the main enemy) . It's best part were some of the challenging battles and some really nicely designed quests
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#23 StrawberryHill
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Where does it rank? I rank previous Bioware/Black Isle games like this. Where do you think Dragon Age would fit?

  1. Planescape Torment
  2. Baldurs Gate 2
  3. Neverwinter Nights
  4. Icewind Dale
  5. KotOR
  6. Baldurs Gate
  7. Icewind Dale 2
  8. Jade Empire
  9. KotOR 2
  10. Neverwinter Nights 2

My ranking would be this:

1. Planescape Torment

2. Baldurs Gate 2

3. KotoR

4. Baldur's Gate

5. Icewind Dale

6. Icewind Dale 2

7.Kotor 2

8.Neverwinter Nights

9. Dragon Age: Origins

10. Mass Effect

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#24 Eiyer
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I never played Neverwinter Nights 2, but I played most of the Bauldar's Gate games and liked them. So I'm not sure how well it compares to the rest of their games but it is by far one of the best games I've ever played (RPG)
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#25 willpd123
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I dont believe the second kotor was even made by Bioware

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#26 StrawberryHill
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I dont believe the second kotor was even made by Bioware

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Oooh...you're right. KotoR 2 should be taken off the list. Good call.

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#27 hiphops_savior
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KOTOR 2 and NWN2 doesn't belong on the list, unless you count Obsidian in as well. Personally, I though that NWN2 have a much better single player OC than the first one, but the game was just horribly optimized.
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#28 teardropmina
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Where does it rank? I rank previous Bioware/Black Isle games like this. Where do you think Dragon Age would fit?

  1. Planescape Torment
  2. Baldurs Gate 2
  3. Neverwinter Nights
  4. Icewind Dale
  5. KotOR
  6. Baldurs Gate
  7. Icewind Dale 2
  8. Jade Empire
  9. KotOR 2
  10. Neverwinter Nights 2

Fried_Shrimp

this is as bad as a thread about Bioware releated games vote, however, that thread at least stated "Bioware related" games. why put Bioware and Black isle together? they are not the same group of people. NWN2 and KotOR2 are made by Obsidian.

just as my advice to the guy who created the Bioware related thread, stick to Bioware games, especially your subject line indicated such.

personally, I think DA:O is the best Bioware work since BG2, and so, it's below BG2, BG1 but above KotOR, JE and ME.

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#29 F1_2004
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lol. Don't have a nerd-attack man, just look at it as a list of good RPGs. I would put DA near the top of that list.
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I'd easily put Mass Effect last in the list. In was very short, leveling was extremely dumbed down, and a premise that was essentially a total ripoff of Star Wars. It seemed unnecessary to me rather than just making another KotOR game.

Qixote

I loved Mass Effect... :|

:P

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#31 RyuRanVII
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Planescape: Torment, Neverwinter Nights 2 and K.O.T.O.R. 2 aren't Bioware games.

I think Dragon Age: Origins is better than any other Bioware game but Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn.

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#32 the_mitch28
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I'm finding Dragon Age hella generic and hard to get through.... I'm lying to myself saying that I'm taking a break from it to justify the purchase of DD edition but in reality I'm probably never going to play it again.

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#33 Arach666
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[QUOTE="Qixote"]

I'd easily put Mass Effect last in the list. In was very short, leveling was extremely dumbed down, and a premise that was essentially a total ripoff of Star Wars. It seemed unnecessary to me rather than just making another KotOR game.

psn8214

I loved Mass Effect... :|

:P

I did as well,but Bioware has done much better in the past.
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#34 Jinroh_basic
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since when has Black Isle merged with Bioware? yup, since never.

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#35 DiffusionE
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[QUOTE="Qixote"]

I'd easily put Mass Effect last in the list. In was very short, leveling was extremely dumbed down, and a premise that was essentially a total ripoff of Star Wars. It seemed unnecessary to me rather than just making another KotOR game.

psn8214

I loved Mass Effect... :|

:P

Yeah. That is kind of....obvious. lol
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#36 Pvt_r3d
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Storywise I think it's okay but not up to par with some other Bioware game's stories. But Dragon Age does deliver with plenty of content.
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#37 dakan45
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Ehh better? Much better i dare to say, best bioware game ever!!!
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#38 Johnny_Rock
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just above neverwinter nights

PcGamingRig

Exactly.