hows the Hanns G JW 19inch monitor

what do you guys think about this monitor a good buy for my HD 3850

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254001

I would not get a 19" widescreen. The "standard" resolution some webpages aim for is 1280 x 1024, meaning you don't have enough vertical resolution. 1440 x 900 is also truly a weird resolution. Go for a 20"+, 1680 x 1050 is a better resolution, and it's not that much more money to get a 22" widescreen.subrosian

any good monitors you would recommend

crt or lcd doesnt matter i just want a good priced moitor with a good resoultion for my 3850 :)

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I would not get a 19" widescreen. The "standard" resolution some webpages aim for is 1280 x 1024, meaning you don't have enough vertical resolution. 1440 x 900 is also truly a weird resolution. Go for a 20"+, 1680 x 1050 is a better resolution, and it's not that much more money to get a 22" widescreen.sabbath2gamer

any good monitors you would recommend

crt or lcd doesnt matter i just want a good priced moitor with a good resoultion for my 3850 :)

What's your budget?

If you're going widescreen, under 24" and on a reasonable budget you're probably going to get a TN panel. If you have $300 ~ $350 to drop, there's the Dell ultrasharp 2208wfp, HP w2207h, and the Samsung 226bw. Those are all decent choices - the Dell because of the great stand & replacement policy, the HP because of the stand and picture (though it has a glossy screen, so think about whether glare will be a problem where you're putting it), and the Samsung because of the solid (for a TN monitor) picture.

Now if you have $500+ to spend, there are some better panel monitors I can recommend, but those three you probably won't go wrong on. If you have a little less to spend, the HP w2007 is only $260, and the Dell sp2008 isn't a bad monitor at all.

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[QUOTE="subrosian"]I would not get a 19" widescreen. The "standard" resolution some webpages aim for is 1280 x 1024, meaning you don't have enough vertical resolution. 1440 x 900 is also truly a weird resolution. Go for a 20"+, 1680 x 1050 is a better resolution, and it's not that much more money to get a 22" widescreen.subrosian

any good monitors you would recommend

crt or lcd doesnt matter i just want a good priced moitor with a good resoultion for my 3850 :)

What's your budget?

If you're going widescreen, under 24" and on a reasonable budget you're probably going to get a TN panel. If you have $300 ~ $350 to drop, there's the Dell ultrasharp 2208wfp, HP w2207h, and the Samsung 226bw. Those are all decent choices - the Dell because of the great stand & replacement policy, the HP because of the stand and picture (though it has a glossy screen, so think about whether glare will be a problem where you're putting it), and the Samsung because of the solid (for a TN monitor) picture.

Now if you have $500+ to spend, there are some better panel monitors I can recommend, but those three you probably won't go wrong on. If you have a little less to spend, the HP w2007 is only $260, and the Dell sp2008 isn't a bad monitor at all.

i have maybe $200 or so but not over $300

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I would not get a 19" widescreen. The "standard" resolution some webpages aim for is 1280 x 1024, meaning you don't have enough vertical resolution. 1440 x 900 is also truly a weird resolution. Go for a 20"+, 1680 x 1050 is a better resolution, and it's not that much more money to get a 22" widescreen.sabbath2gamer

any good monitors you would recommend

crt or lcd doesnt matter i just want a good priced moitor with a good resoultion for my 3850 :)

What's your budget?

If you're going widescreen, under 24" and on a reasonable budget you're probably going to get a TN panel. If you have $300 ~ $350 to drop, there's the Dell ultrasharp 2208wfp, HP w2207h, and the Samsung 226bw. Those are all decent choices - the Dell because of the great stand & replacement policy, the HP because of the stand and picture (though it has a glossy screen, so think about whether glare will be a problem where you're putting it), and the Samsung because of the solid (for a TN monitor) picture.

Now if you have $500+ to spend, there are some better panel monitors I can recommend, but those three you probably won't go wrong on. If you have a little less to spend, the HP w2007 is only $260, and the Dell sp2008 isn't a bad monitor at all.

i have maybe $200 or so but not over $300

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

[QUOTE="subrosian"]I would not get a 19" widescreen. The "standard" resolution some webpages aim for is 1280 x 1024, meaning you don't have enough vertical resolution. 1440 x 900 is also truly a weird resolution. Go for a 20"+, 1680 x 1050 is a better resolution, and it's not that much more money to get a 22" widescreen.mastershake575

any good monitors you would recommend

crt or lcd doesnt matter i just want a good priced moitor with a good resoultion for my 3850 :)

What's your budget?

If you're going widescreen, under 24" and on a reasonable budget you're probably going to get a TN panel. If you have $300 ~ $350 to drop, there's the Dell ultrasharp 2208wfp, HP w2207h, and the Samsung 226bw. Those are all decent choices - the Dell because of the great stand & replacement policy, the HP because of the stand and picture (though it has a glossy screen, so think about whether glare will be a problem where you're putting it), and the Samsung because of the solid (for a TN monitor) picture.

Now if you have $500+ to spend, there are some better panel monitors I can recommend, but those three you probably won't go wrong on. If you have a little less to spend, the HP w2007 is only $260, and the Dell sp2008 isn't a bad monitor at all.

i have maybe $200 or so but not over $300

yah i have been thinking about it but what do you mean youu can set your own resoultion cant you do that with any monitor

no on a lcd if you try to lower the resolution from its native resolution it will scale it which will cause blur or the picture on the screen will actually lower so it doesn't take up the whole screen there will be a section of black on your screen mastershake575

ok then i guess ill aim for the CRT

[QUOTE="mastershake575"]no on a lcd if you try to lower the resolution from its native resolution it will scale it which will cause blur or the picture on the screen will actually lower so it doesn't take up the whole screen there will be a section of black on your screen sabbath2gamer

ok then i guess ill aim for the CRT

I'm a diehard CRT supporter, but it's time to move on. Why? They don't make good CRTs at consumer prices anymore. Back in the day, CRTs weren't cheap - $500+ for a larger one. The prices came down because they had to - and once the big names pulled out of the market (Eizo and such doing ultra-high-end studio monitors doesn't count as competition because these are $2000+ monitors) there was no competition in the consumer price range.

What I'm saying is, that Viewsonic may not be a bad monitor (though read the Newegg comments - it doesn't sound good), but CRT nowadays consists of a few sloppily made smaller screens at Best Buy (which have terrible picture quality), used CRTs past their prime (which have lost picture quality), and old CRTs sitting in the back of stores for several years (which have lost picture quality). It's a really sucky time to buy into them, especially as a gamer.

Personally, my CRT at home is fine for desktop use, but it has already lost too much contrast to be good for gaming. Blacks and greys fade together, and it's time to go. When a four year old LCD has better black quality, you know you're in trouble.

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[QUOTE="mastershake575"]no on a lcd if you try to lower the resolution from its native resolution it will scale it which will cause blur or the picture on the screen will actually lower so it doesn't take up the whole screen there will be a section of black on your screen subrosian

ok then i guess ill aim for the CRT

I'm a diehard CRT supporter, but it's time to move on. Why? They don't make good CRTs at consumer prices anymore. Back in the day, CRTs weren't cheap - $500+ for a larger one. The prices came down because they had to - and once the big names pulled out of the market (Eizo and such doing ultra-high-end studio monitors doesn't count as competition because these are $2000+ monitors) there was no competition in the consumer price range.

What I'm saying is, that Viewsonic may not be a bad monitor (though read the Newegg comments - it doesn't sound good), but CRT nowadays consists of a few sloppily made smaller screens at Best Buy (which have terrible picture quality), used CRTs past their prime (which have lost picture quality), and old CRTs sitting in the back of stores for several years (which have lost picture quality). It's a really sucky time to buy into them, especially as a gamer.

Personally, my CRT at home is fine for desktop use, but it has already lost too much contrast to be good for gaming. Blacks and greys fade together, and it's time to go. When a four year old LCD has better black quality, you know you're in trouble.

I can assure you TC that the picture quality of that monitor is very good just make sure that the refresh rates are good.Well the person who owns this thing can you please tell what are the highest refresh rates at 16x12 and 12x10 on that monitor?

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[QUOTE="mastershake575"]no on a lcd if you try to lower the resolution from its native resolution it will scale it which will cause blur or the picture on the screen will actually lower so it doesn't take up the whole screen there will be a section of black on your screen Thinker_145

ok then i guess ill aim for the CRT

I'm a diehard CRT supporter, but it's time to move on. Why? They don't make good CRTs at consumer prices anymore. Back in the day, CRTs weren't cheap - $500+ for a larger one. The prices came down because they had to - and once the big names pulled out of the market (Eizo and such doing ultra-high-end studio monitors doesn't count as competition because these are $2000+ monitors) there was no competition in the consumer price range.

What I'm saying is, that Viewsonic may not be a bad monitor (though read the Newegg comments - it doesn't sound good), but CRT nowadays consists of a few sloppily made smaller screens at Best Buy (which have terrible picture quality), used CRTs past their prime (which have lost picture quality), and old CRTs sitting in the back of stores for several years (which have lost picture quality). It's a really sucky time to buy into them, especially as a gamer.

Personally, my CRT at home is fine for desktop use, but it has already lost too much contrast to be good for gaming. Blacks and greys fade together, and it's time to go. When a four year old LCD has better black quality, you know you're in trouble.

I can assure you TC that the picture quality of that monitor is very good just make sure that the refresh rates are good.Well the person who owns this thing can you please tell what are the highest refresh rates at 16x12 and 12x10 on that monitor?

*sighs*

I only deal in high-end monitors for graphics, gaming, and business work - that CRT he linked you has problems. They placed a flat piece of glass on top of a curved CRT, and called it "flat" - unfortunately it wasn't particularly well implemented, and causes some rather serious distortion. That, and that particular monitor has been sitting in the storeroom of many a shop for a few years. Phosphor deterioration is a real thing - as is tube distortion.

CRTs age - back in my ad studio days, we wouldn't keep a CRT longer than 3 ~ 5 years, the color starts to go off, the contrast falls, and the image quality is compromised. LCDs have a similar problem with regards to lamp aging - you can get some rather unfortunate color temperature shifts later in the monitor's life.

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Look, I'm telling it to you like it is - there are people who will tell you comforting things about every monitor, because it's what they own. That's fine - they like it - but they're giving you a preferance, not a reality. There's a reason studios use $2000 LaCie monitors, and it's because that's what it costs to get a "perfect" monitor. Anything below that, you're making a compromise.

Under $600, you can't get S-IPS, in the $400 ~ $600 price range you can get S-PVA, and in the $200 ~ $400 price range, you get varying qualities of TN-Film. At the upper end of TN (HP w2207, Samsung 226bw, Dell ultrasharp 2208wfp) you get a TN-panel with a great backlight.

Under $300 in CRT, you're getting a CRT monitor which will best an LCD in terms of color accuracy and contrast (depending on the age of the monitor), but will have geometry and distortion issues. It may even have color distortion issues. The quality controls aren't what they once were on CRT (again, due to lack of competition in consumer price ranges, and quite frankly lack of demand).

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Buy what makes you happy though - just be aware of what you're buying into. With monitors it's almost always worth going up one step from where you thought you wanted to be, just because you have them for so long. So if you're thinking *hmm the Dell E228 looks good" - get the ultrasharp and enjoy the better stand. If you're thinking "hmm this old CRT looks good" well, hunt down a better CRT, or go S-IPS.

well now im not to sure

The thing that i like about t he CRT is that mastershake said you can choose your own resoultion that soundsa nice but now im thinking about what you said in your last comment but i do like that dell sp2008 monitor you said a few comments back

well now im not to sure

The thing that i like about t he CRT is that mastershake said you can choose your own resoultion that soundsa nice but now im thinking about what you said in your last comment but i do like that dell sp2008 monitor you said a few comments back

sabbath2gamer

Dell Ultrasharp 2208wfp, the sp2008 / sp2208 have a glossy screen, so keep in mind where you're placing it - you may be better off with the e207 or e228 if you need an economy monitor with a matte screen.

well now im not to sure

The thing that i like about t he CRT is that mastershake said you can choose your own resoultion that soundsa nice but now im thinking about what you said in your last comment but i do like that dell sp2008 monitor you said a few comments back

sabbath2gamer

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well now im not to sure

The thing that i like about t he CRT is that mastershake said you can choose your own resoultion that soundsa nice but now im thinking about what you said in your last comment but i do like that dell sp2008 monitor you said a few comments back

Thinker_145

Would you please tell me what is "distortion".I would like to see whether my monitor has it or not.Thinker_145

When you're displaying "perfect shapes" - circle, square, triangle, et cetera, look at the lines and the shape itself. Move the shapes to different areas of the screen. All CRTs suffer from a degree of distortion - the screen is curved, hence the lines of your shapes will be "distorted", or curved. Flat CRTs actually have worse distortion than curved CRTs.

Also, as CRTs age, they can degrade and lose focus. Hence, they become blurrier. You may also experience a color distortion - where there's a loss of accurate colors.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

well now im not to sure

The thing that i like about t he CRT is that mastershake said you can choose your own resoultion that soundsa nice but now im thinking about what you said in your last comment but i do like that dell sp2008 monitor you said a few comments back

mastershake575

CRT's are not perfect but whatever con they have for me it's far outweighed by the cons of TN monitor and yes i have used the better TN monitors as well.

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"][QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

well now im not to sure

The thing that i like about t he CRT is that mastershake said you can choose your own resoultion that soundsa nice but now im thinking about what you said in your last comment but i do like that dell sp2008 monitor you said a few comments back

Thinker_145

CRT's are not perfect but whatever con they have for me it's far outweighed by the cons of TN monitor and yes i have used the better TN monitors as well.

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Would you please tell me what is "distortion".I would like to see whether my monitor has it or not.subrosian

When you're displaying "perfect shapes" - circle, square, triangle, et cetera, look at the lines and the shape itself. Move the shapes to different areas of the screen. All CRTs suffer from a degree of distortion - the screen is curved, hence the lines of your shapes will be "distorted", or curved. Flat CRTs actually have worse distortion than curved CRTs.

Also, as CRTs age, they can degrade and lose focus. Hence, they become blurrier. You may also experience a color distortion - where there's a loss of accurate colors.

So you are saying that LCD's have a longer usable lifespan than CRT's?

Well whatever it is i dont see it.I sit very close to my monitor while gaming and if there was something than i would have noticed it.

So you are saying that LCD's have a longer usable lifespan than CRT's?

Thinker_145

In terms of lifespan, I'd guess you could keep using a CRT longer than an LCD. The picture quality will deteriorate, but the backlight of an LCD will burn out before the tube of a electron gun on a CRT stops working. You'd essentially be gambling on the power circuitry, if we're talking about theoretical lifespan.

Now if you're talking about degradation of quality (aka when does a monitor deteriorate enough that it's worth buying a new one?), I'd say the lifespan under heavy use is similar. The LCD's backlight will fade / change color - the CRT will lose color fidelity and contrast. When they stop being "good enough" for gaming? There's no magic point, that's a matter of preference.

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What I'm actually telling you is that you need to consider manufacturing date and previous use. Buying a used CRT, how much of its usable life is gone when you get it? How long until it fades to the point where it's not comfortable to game on. Buying a new CRT, how long has it sat in the back of a shop? When was it manufactured? How much has the phosphor faded since then? When you buy an LCD, you generally buy one that rolled off a conveyor belt less than six months ago - when you buy a CRT these days - it might be a few years old. That's something consider.

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Well whatever it is i dont see it.I sit very close to my monitor while gaming and if there was something than i would have noticed it.

So you are saying that LCD's have a longer usable lifespan than CRT's?

subrosian

In terms of lifespan, I'd guess you could keep using a CRT longer than an LCD. The picture quality will deteriorate, but the backlight of an LCD will burn out before the tube of a electron gun on a CRT stops working. You'd essentially be gambling on the power circuitry, if we're talking about theoretical lifespan.

Now if you're talking about degradation of quality (aka when does a monitor deteriorate enough that it's worth buying a new one?), I'd say the lifespan under heavy use is similar. The LCD's backlight will fade / change color - the CRT will lose color fidelity and contrast. When they stop being "good enough" for gaming? There's no magic point, that's a matter of preference.

BTW just curious to know what would be the lifespan of a really expensive HDTV or LCD monitor.I mean the real high end ones.

i think i might buy a CRT monitor the one mastershake recommended im not sure since thinker said the responce wasnt that good

any other CRTS anyone can recommend my budget is about $250

i think i might buy a CRT monitor the one mastershake recommended im not sure since thinker said the responce wasnt that good

any other CRTS anyone can recommend my budget is about $250

sabbath2gamer

That monitor has 80hz on 12x10 which means you will be fine gaming in that resolution however i cant seem to find it's refresh rate at 16x12.I recommended you a monitor a few messages back and with that you will be able to go 16x12.It is right in your budget.

However if you have a 256MB 3850 than you wont be missing much by playing in 12x10.

i think i might buy a CRT monitor the one mastershake recommended im not sure since thinker said the responce wasnt that good

any other CRTS anyone can recommend my budget is about $250

sabbath2gamer

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i think i might buy a CRT monitor the one mastershake recommended im not sure since thinker said the responce wasnt that good

any other CRTS anyone can recommend my budget is about $250

mastershake575

With a 19" CRT you do not want to go below 75 ~ 80hz as anything lower is going to cause some serious eyestrain. In fact, I wouldn't go lower than 85hz if you can avoid it. That's what he's referring to.

The CRT "can" do higher than 1280 x 1024, but if it can only do them at 60 ~ 70hz, it's going to be flickering, and it's going to actually be harmful to your eyes. Not good. If resolution is an issue, you need either a bigger CRT (which will let you get a higher resolution at a decent refresh rate) or an LCD (where refresh rate is a non-issue, as it's a persistant image).

Also consider than a 19" CRT is only 17.5" viewable, meaning resolutions higher than 1280 x 1024 really might not be "viewable" at standard distance.

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i think i might buy a CRT monitor the one mastershake recommended im not sure since thinker said the responce wasnt that good

any other CRTS anyone can recommend my budget is about $250

mastershake575

yah i did mean refresh rate sry but after hearing alot about LCD's and rsponse time it sorta just stuck :Psabbath2gamer

Response time and refresh rate are not the same thing. Refresh rate refers to how quickly the CRT is "rescanning" the phosphors on the screen, something it must do so that you don't get flickering. Response time refers to how long it takes an LCD to change between two settings on a pixel. If the LCD takes too long to change between colors, you will see "ghosting".

Well get this monitor.It goes 77hz at 16x12.While it might flicker at desktop at that res but you wont notice anything while gaming.And you wont be playing newer games at that res with a 3850 anyways.Thinker_145

Well get this monitor.It goes 77hz at 16x12.While it might flicker at desktop at that res but you wont notice anything while gaming.And you wont be playing newer games at that res with a 3850 anyways.Thinker_145

off topic but alot of ppl dont seem to give the 3850 much credit that it deserves. its definitaly up there with the high end cards look

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2217141,00.asp

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Well get this monitor.It goes 77hz at 16x12.While it might flicker at desktop at that res but you wont notice anything while gaming.And you wont be playing newer games at that res with a 3850 anyways.mastershake575

and dude im confused which monitor do you have you saif you had the A90f+ now the E90 now your saying you have the g90fb ????

you have them all which is the best that i should get for at least $250

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Well get this monitor.It goes 77hz at 16x12.While it might flicker at desktop at that res but you wont notice anything while gaming.And you wont be playing newer games at that res with a 3850 anyways.sabbath2gamer

off topic but alot of ppl dont seem to give the 3850 much credit that it deserves. its definitaly up there with the high end cards look

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2217141,00.asp

[QUOTE="sabbath2gamer"]

[QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Well get this monitor.It goes 77hz at 16x12.While it might flicker at desktop at that res but you wont notice anything while gaming.And you wont be playing newer games at that res with a 3850 anyways.mastershake575

off topic but alot of ppl dont seem to give the 3850 much credit that it deserves. its definitaly up there with the high end cards look

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2217141,00.asp

alright so of all the CRT monitors recommended which do you think would be best

[QUOTE="mastershake575"][QUOTE="Thinker_145"]Well get this monitor.It goes 77hz at 16x12.While it might flicker at desktop at that res but you wont notice anything while gaming.And you wont be playing newer games at that res with a 3850 anyways.sabbath2gamer

and dude im confused which monitor do you have you saif you had the A90f+ now the E90 now your saying you have the g90fb ????

you have them all which is the best that i should get for at least $250

he listed the E90fb and the G90FB i should get the G90FB?sabbath2gamer