I got drunk and preordered THE SIMS 3 on D2D

[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"] It's not a question of us vs them. You can like The Sims 3 and still like a lot of other games that are violent - but to dislike a game, simply because it's about creativity, and because it's not about destruction and killing, is just... childish. I suspect that a lot of the haters here are young males in their early to mid teens. Charles_Dickens

You've described The Sims 2.

The Sims 3 is a much better representation of the original idea as envisioned by Will Wright, which was to create an abstraction of life, as we live it. Both of the first two Sims games, I felt, were massive teases, because they were kind of shallow, and only offered glimpses into what a great game it could be. I think of The Sims 3 as really being the first game in the series, and I can't wait to see where the developer goes next in The Sims 4.

As far as your argument is concerned, I can assure you that I've never played with dolls, nor have I ever played with a doll house - and my guess is that I'm going to love The Sims 3 for the thousands of ideas that have gone into this game. One of the developers was talking about that very notion: he said that hundreds of people have been working on this game for years, and that each person has advanced dozens of ideas. This means that there are literally thousands of things to discover in this game.

The PC Gamer reviewer wrote in his review that he had been playing The Sims 3 for days, and yet felt that he was only just scratching the surface. If you want to think of The Sims 3 as being 'just a virtual doll-house' then that's your business. In my opinion... and I'll admit up front that I haven't even played this title yet... that playing The Sims 3 is going to be a much, much, much deeper experience than 'playing with a doll house'.

Being a PC gamer - and loving all types of games - this is not a title I would want to miss. It's going to be so refreshing playing a game in which I don't have to kill people and destroy things.

Hugely looking forward to the release on Tuesday.

Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone (to be added in expansions, of course)F1_2004

92% PC Gamer.

"While there's clearly room to grow The Sims 3 won't leave you feeling like you've purchased just half a game. After spending many hours with it, I still feel like I've seen only a fraction of what it has to offer."

Preview Eurogamer.

"In short: enormously promising. I just don't know if it will be enough to convert those who fill comment threads whining about the stream of add-on packs, and that's a shame. Without losing any of the construction and personalisation elements which have attracted the huge casual audience for The Sims, this is as gamer-centric as the series has ever been. Unless something goes drastically wrong in the next two weeks, I really can't see this not being the best yet."

92% PC Zone.

"These improvements over the previous game nailed it - I became absolutely besotted. I've lost so many hours to The Sims 3 the PC Zone team were convinced they'd have to surgically remove my mouse from my hand to get me to work."

I haven't played the game myself yet, so all I have to go on is what I'm reading from the websites - but your statement that... "Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone" - seems to be completely wrong. The evidence doesn't support this. Like that other guy, you can ignore all of this evidence if you want to, and you can dismiss the three review scores (92, 92, and 90) with a wave of the hand and say it means nothing - but if you're going to do that then you might as well stop logging onto the internet and reading reviews for games. What's the point in visiting a place like Gamespot, or IGN, or any website, if all you're going to do is dismiss what they have to write?

It's just absolutely baffling to me that anybody would attack a game in this fashion without ever having played it?

Am I saying that The Sims 3 is a great game - no way! (I might even end up thinking it's shallow) But one thing is clear: we have overwhelming evidence to suggest that this third game is going to be a very deep game.

In my opinion, you, like a lot of people (almost exclusively males) have decided not to like this game in advance, and no matter what gets written about it, or what type of improvements have been made, you're going to find fault with it - what's the deal with you people? Are you so insecure that you need to be a member of a club whose sole purpose is to hate stuff?

Here's my advice: before you start being critical of game, play it first.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone (to be added in expansions, of course)Charles_Dickens

92% PC Gamer.

"While there's clearly room to grow The Sims 3 won't leave you feeling like you've purchased just half a game. After spending many hours with it, I still feel like I've seen only a fraction of what it has to offer."

Preview Eurogamer.

"In short: enormously promising. I just don't know if it will be enough to convert those who fill comment threads whining about the stream of add-on packs, and that's a shame. Without losing any of the construction and personalisation elements which have attracted the huge casual audience for The Sims, this is as gamer-centric as the series has ever been. Unless something goes drastically wrong in the next two weeks, I really can't see this not being the best yet."

92% PC Zone.

"These improvements over the previous game nailed it - I became absolutely besotted. I've lost so many hours to The Sims 3 the PC Zone team were convinced they'd have to surgically remove my mouse from my hand to get me to work."

I haven't played the game myself yet, so all I have to go on is what I'm reading from the websites - but your statement that... "Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone" - seems to be completely wrong. The evidence doesn't support this. Like that other guy, you can ignore all of this evidence if you want to, and you can dismiss the three review scores (92, 92, and 90) with a wave of the hand and say it means nothing - but if you're going to do that then you might as well stop logging onto the internet and reading reviews for games. What's the point in visiting a place like Gamespot, or IGN, or any website, if all you're going to do is dismiss what they have to write?

It's just absolutely baffling to me that anybody would attack a game in this fashion without ever having played it?

Am I saying that The Sims 3 is a great game - no way! (I might even end up thinking it's shallow) But one thing is clear: we have overwhelming evidence to suggest that this third game is going to be a very deep game.

In my opinion, you, like a lot of people (almost exclusively males) have decided not to like this game in advance, and no matter what gets written about it, or what type of improvements have been made, you're going to find fault with it - what's the deal with you people? Are you so insecure that you need to be a member of a club whose sole purpose is to hate stuff?

Here's my advice: before you start being critical of game, play it first.

I haven't had anything to say about the Sims series, but as I see it, it's boring. It's just not my type of game. I tried playing the first Sims a little bit (a good hour or two), but I just didn't find it fun.

I used to be big into sim type games - I greatly enjoyed Sim City 1, 2 and 3 (4 was kinda bad). I grew out of them. People that tend to say a game is bad are the ones that just don't like those types of games or they don't have fun playing those types of games. There are obvious reasons to dislike a game - bad graphics, bad controls, bad sound, bad story, bad replay value - but a game shouldn't be based on the fact that you just don't like it because it's boring or not your type of game.

There are games that I've played that I didn't like, doesn't mean they were bad - they had good controls, good sound, good graphics, story may or may not have been good - but I didn't like the game because it wasn't fun for me. I wouldn't try to score the game (if I was a reviewer) bad just because I found it boring.

Charles_Dickens, you've said your peace. You can't change someone's mind if they're not willing to listen. All you're going to do is burn yourself out and become more and more irritated by close-minded people's thoughts/opinions.

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone (to be added in expansions, of course)neatfeatguy

92% PC Gamer.

"While there's clearly room to grow The Sims 3 won't leave you feeling like you've purchased just half a game. After spending many hours with it, I still feel like I've seen only a fraction of what it has to offer."

Preview Eurogamer.

"In short: enormously promising. I just don't know if it will be enough to convert those who fill comment threads whining about the stream of add-on packs, and that's a shame. Without losing any of the construction and personalisation elements which have attracted the huge casual audience for The Sims, this is as gamer-centric as the series has ever been. Unless something goes drastically wrong in the next two weeks, I really can't see this not being the best yet."

92% PC Zone.

"These improvements over the previous game nailed it - I became absolutely besotted. I've lost so many hours to The Sims 3 the PC Zone team were convinced they'd have to surgically remove my mouse from my hand to get me to work."

I haven't played the game myself yet, so all I have to go on is what I'm reading from the websites - but your statement that... "Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone" - seems to be completely wrong. The evidence doesn't support this. Like that other guy, you can ignore all of this evidence if you want to, and you can dismiss the three review scores (92, 92, and 90) with a wave of the hand and say it means nothing - but if you're going to do that then you might as well stop logging onto the internet and reading reviews for games. What's the point in visiting a place like Gamespot, or IGN, or any website, if all you're going to do is dismiss what they have to write?

It's just absolutely baffling to me that anybody would attack a game in this fashion without ever having played it?

Am I saying that The Sims 3 is a great game - no way! (I might even end up thinking it's shallow) But one thing is clear: we have overwhelming evidence to suggest that this third game is going to be a very deep game.

In my opinion, you, like a lot of people (almost exclusively males) have decided not to like this game in advance, and no matter what gets written about it, or what type of improvements have been made, you're going to find fault with it - what's the deal with you people? Are you so insecure that you need to be a member of a club whose sole purpose is to hate stuff?

Here's my advice: before you start being critical of game, play it first.

ICharles_Dickens, you've said your peace. You can't change someone's mind if they're not willing to listen. All you're going to do is burn yourself out and become more and more irritated by close-minded people's thoughts/opinions.

Growing up as a kid, you never once had a Cabbage Patch Kid? Or maybe a Garbage Pail Kid? Or you never played with GI Joe figures? Or Transformers? You do realize that all these things are c|assfied as "dolls" don't you? But to get a boy to play with a doll - which they associate as a girl toy, the toy industry started using the term "Action Figure".

You can call them what you want, in the end, they're all dolls.

neatfeatguy

I always thought the sims was for pre pubescent girls but sims 3 has caught my attention...still not sure if i will buy, but it has perked my interest far more than the other titles thats for sure.

I always thought the sims was for pre pubescent girls but sims 3 has caught my attention...still not sure if i will buy, but it has perked my interest far more than the other titles thats for sure.

Astaroth2k

I've never played any of the Sims games, and I'm not sure if i should buy Sims 3 or not. I wish they had a demo.

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone (to be added in expansions, of course)Charles_Dickens

92% PC Gamer.

"While there's clearly room to grow The Sims 3 won't leave you feeling like you've purchased just half a game. After spending many hours with it, I still feel like I've seen only a fraction of what it has to offer."

Preview Eurogamer.

"In short: enormously promising. I just don't know if it will be enough to convert those who fill comment threads whining about the stream of add-on packs, and that's a shame. Without losing any of the construction and personalisation elements which have attracted the huge casual audience for The Sims, this is as gamer-centric as the series has ever been. Unless something goes drastically wrong in the next two weeks, I really can't see this not being the best yet."

92% PC Zone.

"These improvements over the previous game nailed it - I became absolutely besotted. I've lost so many hours to The Sims 3 the PC Zone team were convinced they'd have to surgically remove my mouse from my hand to get me to work."

I haven't played the game myself yet, so all I have to go on is what I'm reading from the websites - but your statement that... "Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone" - seems to be completely wrong. The evidence doesn't support this. Like that other guy, you can ignore all of this evidence if you want to, and you can dismiss the three review scores (92, 92, and 90) with a wave of the hand and say it means nothing - but if you're going to do that then you might as well stop logging onto the internet and reading reviews for games. What's the point in visiting a place like Gamespot, or IGN, or any website, if all you're going to do is dismiss what they have to write?

It's just absolutely baffling to me that anybody would attack a game in this fashion without ever having played it?

Am I saying that The Sims 3 is a great game - no way! (I might even end up thinking it's shallow) But one thing is clear: we have overwhelming evidence to suggest that this third game is going to be a very deep game.

In my opinion, you, like a lot of people (almost exclusively males) have decided not to like this game in advance, and no matter what gets written about it, or what type of improvements have been made, you're going to find fault with it - what's the deal with you people? Are you so insecure that you need to be a member of a club whose sole purpose is to hate stuff?

Here's my advice: before you start being critical of game, play it first.

It's gonna suck

Mr__Peanut

You didn't even acknowledge that Will Wright isn't on board.

And as for the advance reviews I could care less, I don't know why people put editor's reviews on a pedastal all the time, they're just someone else's opinions and they're too scared to be controversial to the general public to be reliable.

Mr__Peanut

Will Wright isn't the only competent game designer on Earth. Just becuase they make a third Sims game without him actually making it doesn't mean anything. It will still be great and if you don't want you don't have to get it. Just don't come up with lame excuses like 'Oh Will Wright isn't making it so I don't have to buy it now'. They consolted him and Redwood's a good enough company to do things right.

Worse things have been done I suppose.

Mr__Peanut

Bwahahaha...that's funny. :) I feel your pain...and don't feel bad...it can be nearly as bad as drunk dialing an ex.

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone (to be added in expansions, of course)F1_2004

92% PC Gamer.

"While there's clearly room to grow The Sims 3 won't leave you feeling like you've purchased just half a game. After spending many hours with it, I still feel like I've seen only a fraction of what it has to offer."

Preview Eurogamer.

"In short: enormously promising. I just don't know if it will be enough to convert those who fill comment threads whining about the stream of add-on packs, and that's a shame. Without losing any of the construction and personalisation elements which have attracted the huge casual audience for The Sims, this is as gamer-centric as the series has ever been. Unless something goes drastically wrong in the next two weeks, I really can't see this not being the best yet."

92% PC Zone.

"These improvements over the previous game nailed it - I became absolutely besotted. I've lost so many hours to The Sims 3 the PC Zone team were convinced they'd have to surgically remove my mouse from my hand to get me to work."

I haven't played the game myself yet, so all I have to go on is what I'm reading from the websites - but your statement that... "Everything seems to indicate that Sims 3 is just a more polished step up from the previous Sims games, with many features in Sims 2 actually gone" - seems to be completely wrong. The evidence doesn't support this. Like that other guy, you can ignore all of this evidence if you want to, and you can dismiss the three review scores (92, 92, and 90) with a wave of the hand and say it means nothing - but if you're going to do that then you might as well stop logging onto the internet and reading reviews for games. What's the point in visiting a place like Gamespot, or IGN, or any website, if all you're going to do is dismiss what they have to write?

It's just absolutely baffling to me that anybody would attack a game in this fashion without ever having played it?

Am I saying that The Sims 3 is a great game - no way! (I might even end up thinking it's shallow) But one thing is clear: we have overwhelming evidence to suggest that this third game is going to be a very deep game.

In my opinion, you, like a lot of people (almost exclusively males) have decided not to like this game in advance, and no matter what gets written about it, or what type of improvements have been made, you're going to find fault with it - what's the deal with you people? Are you so insecure that you need to be a member of a club whose sole purpose is to hate stuff?

Here's my advice: before you start being critical of game, play it first.

LOL at your whole post.

Listen, guy. I'm passionate about computer gaming, and all indications are that The Sims 3 is going to be one of the best games of the summer (Eurogamer wrote: "It's both more of a role-playing game than it's ever been before, and more of a design game than it's ever been before. It may suffer a few glaring compromises, but it's an essential play for anyone with an interest in what videogames can achieve outside of a targeting reticule." - that about sums it up for me.)

So tomorrow there's a strong possibility that I'm going to do what gamers tend to do on a game's release day: I'm going to post about the game. Do us all a favor, guy, and just stay the hell out of that thread. What I'm not going to do is become involved in some twisty-tangly debate with some guy WHO HASN'T EVEN PLAYED THE GAME.

So just stay the hell out of my god-damned thread.

Because you know what, mate, a guy who tries to stir up trouble, by writing bad things about a game he hasn't even played is what's commonly referred to as a troll. That's right, a troll.

And for your information - just to make certain that you understand what I'm trying to say here, because you seem rather thick in the head to me - if... and that's a big if... but IF I feel that the game is actually lacking in certain areas, then you can bet that I'm going to post about it. So don't give me this fan-boy crap. I'm not a fan-boy. I didn't even like the first two games very much. I wrote that in my posts above, but obviously you don't know how to read. Just stay the hell out of my thread, guy. I've had enough of your nonsense.

If you persist in being critical of a game that you've not even played then something is going to have to be done about you.

[QUOTE="Mr__Peanut"]

It's gonna suck

lightleggy

and yet it will still suck, sad

[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="Mr__Peanut"]

It's gonna suck

lpjazzman220

and yet it will still suck, sad

Worse things have been done I suppose.

Mr__Peanut

You could have pre-ordered Big Rigs 2. If they make a single sale, they might plague use with Big Rigs 3.

Ha! That's how I ended up with Spore. :P :(mr_mozilla

same

Lol, self owned.

dinuattila

i still dont get it why anyone should play a "life simulator"

lol...no.

i still dont get it why anyone should play a "life simulator"

crapdog

At E3 yesterday, during the presentations, there was all sorts of talk about 'destructible environments'.

The Sims, on the other hand, isn't about destruction, but rather about creation, creation of people, of relationships, of buildings, of items, and now, in The Sims 3, of entire communities - and it's wonderful, and refreshing, and unique.

And I can't wait to head on down to the store after work and pick up my copy. This is THE game of the summer.

What, are you crazy! I've been waiting for this title for six months! I'm now counting the hours! Tuesday night (when I get to play) cannot come quickly enough.

The Sims 3, by the way, has just received its third review - it got a 90.

So that's two 92's and a 90 - not bad at all. In fact that's awesome. The reviewers are all saying the same thing, that the game is damned difficult to walk away from once you commence trying to satisfy you 'life goals'. They're also saying that it's easily the best Sims game to date, and that the freedom of movement throughout the city is wonderful.

Trust me, you did the right thing. You should get drunk more often.

Charles_Dickens

[QUOTE="Charles_Dickens"]

What, are you crazy! I've been waiting for this title for six months! I'm now counting the hours! Tuesday night (when I get to play) cannot come quickly enough.

The Sims 3, by the way, has just received its third review - it got a 90.

So that's two 92's and a 90 - not bad at all. In fact that's awesome. The reviewers are all saying the same thing, that the game is damned difficult to walk away from once you commence trying to satisfy you 'life goals'. They're also saying that it's easily the best Sims game to date, and that the freedom of movement throughout the city is wonderful.

Trust me, you did the right thing. You should get drunk more often.

Dr_Brocoli

If Crysis, or any other FPS, were to receive this amount of attention (they can't, because the resources just aren't there - when you've sold one hundred million units of a game then you can afford to spend massive amounts of money on strengthening you design team... I mean, obviously) then most of you guys would be wetting yourselves. You'd be wetting yourselves. Charles_Dickens

This is such an odd thread.

It's filled with people who clearly have no desire to buy the game, nor did they ever have any desire to buy the game - in other words, no matter how well this game was made, clearly some people in this thread were going to hate The Sims 3.

And I can't help but think that if these same people had created their own thread, and were jabbering on about their favorite FPS, or what have you, and some other person came in and started bad-mouthing the game, and it transpired that they hadn't even played the game, and had no intention whatsoever to do so, then that person would be called a troll by every other person participating in that thread.

Yes, a troll.

A troll is somebody who hasn't played a game, has no intention of playing it, and yet participates in threads, and is highly critical of the game in question - that describes perfectly 99% of the people in this thread. If you don't like The Sims, and have no desire to play The Sims 3, then why don't you just buzz off.

if you don't like this thread, charlie, Stop bumping it back onto the first page.

So tomorrow there's a strong possibility that[...] I'm going to post about the game. Do us all a favor, guy, and just stay the hell out of that thread. [...] So just stay the hell out of my god-damned thread. Charles_Dickens

Good luck enforcing that, mate - if you post here ANYONE, yes anyone,may reply.

As an aside: LINKS Charles, learn how to use 'em - no need to quote the same reviews over and over and over and over again. :|