I had a good laugh at the latest Warhammer Online Hands on.

That same developer blowing gas again, this is the first proper gameplay I have seen of the game, instead of that obsesant art work phase / gas blowing they went through for about 2 years?

And you can naturally guess what I thought the second I looked at the game.

DIRECT RIP OF WoW.

Now, I'm not ignorant to any fact that WoW took alot off Everquest and so forth, but my god, the UI placements are identical with similar Portrating, the damage/being damaged text is the same font AND same colour.

The combat is pretty much identical, only judging from that theres no jumping.

The Graphics are in fact WORSE than WoW's , it lacks both technical prowess and Arsticic **** on top of that its combat despite pretty much being I direct rip doesnt even look as fluid as WoW's.

Looks like an empty game with promise of great RvR ... by the makers of DoAC is fine, but I want to know from any of you where the appeal is coming from? is it just "zomg Warhammer brand label? Aka Fanboyism" or "Epic PvP" which I have yet to see any of, all thats shown is the same as WoW, small groups fighting.....

Wheres the appeal? Why is there hype? I just cant see it.

yes i felt the same way, from the videos i saw the game looks like an Unpolished wow, but the quest system got me intrested,but since there are better MMO's comming out this year, i probly wont even give this one a try

Man I wish I could play the game already. I signed up for the Beta back in November and i'm still in "Applied" status. I just wanna know what the hype is all about. I only HEARD that people love about Warhammer what they hate about WoW. I'm sure PvP is included. Thats why I wanna try it out. I really wanna see if its fun. The fact that its a WoW ripoff pisses me off except when you said the GAMEPLAY is like WoW. Thats good cause I dont have to worry about learning how to play, i'll be a veteran before even trying it. Based on what I know thus far: Better Storyline= Warcraft universe (Yeah I read 15 Warcraft books dont argue with me on this one) Better PvE= WoW, based on what i've been told about both games. Better PvP= ??? Better Graphics= Clearly the most modern one, Warhammer. Better Art Design= WoW runs circles around ANY game in this category. Better Sound/Music= Who gives a ****. I just wanna play the beta to try out the PvP.TheBigBadGRIM

accuatly i felt like Warhammer graphics are pretty outaded, i think WoW Graphics might be better but i need to see some recent Screenshots from Warhammer first

[QUOTE="TheBigBadGRIM"]Man I wish I could play the game already. I signed up for the Beta back in November and i'm still in "Applied" status. I just wanna know what the hype is all about. I only HEARD that people love about Warhammer what they hate about WoW. I'm sure PvP is included. Thats why I wanna try it out. I really wanna see if its fun. The fact that its a WoW ripoff pisses me off except when you said the GAMEPLAY is like WoW. Thats good cause I dont have to worry about learning how to play, i'll be a veteran before even trying it. Based on what I know thus far: Better Storyline= Warcraft universe (Yeah I read 15 Warcraft books dont argue with me on this one) Better PvE= WoW, based on what i've been told about both games. Better PvP= ??? Better Graphics= Clearly the most modern one, Warhammer. Better Art Design= WoW runs circles around ANY game in this category. Better Sound/Music= Who gives a ****. I just wanna play the beta to try out the PvP.Mizarus

accuatly i felt like Warhammer graphics are pretty outaded, i think WoW Graphics might be better but i need to see some recent Screenshots from Warhammer first

Yea, Warhammer is both technically and astistically weaker, looking at it I thought I was looking at an early PS2 game. The developer is talking about how cool the Dark Elves/High Elves were ... adn im like ... "thier models varely have any texture ...... or detailed shape."

[QUOTE="Mizarus"]

[QUOTE="TheBigBadGRIM"]Man I wish I could play the game already. I signed up for the Beta back in November and i'm still in "Applied" status. I just wanna know what the hype is all about. I only HEARD that people love about Warhammer what they hate about WoW. I'm sure PvP is included. Thats why I wanna try it out. I really wanna see if its fun. The fact that its a WoW ripoff pisses me off except when you said the GAMEPLAY is like WoW. Thats good cause I dont have to worry about learning how to play, i'll be a veteran before even trying it. Based on what I know thus far: Better Storyline= Warcraft universe (Yeah I read 15 Warcraft books dont argue with me on this one) Better PvE= WoW, based on what i've been told about both games. Better PvP= ??? Better Graphics= Clearly the most modern one, Warhammer. Better Art Design= WoW runs circles around ANY game in this category. Better Sound/Music= Who gives a ****. I just wanna play the beta to try out the PvP.Meu2k7

accuatly i felt like Warhammer graphics are pretty outaded, i think WoW Graphics might be better but i need to see some recent Screenshots from Warhammer first

Yea, Warhammer is both technically and astistically weaker, looking at it I thought I was looking at an early PS2 game. The developer is talking about how cool the Dark Elves/High Elves were ... adn im like ... "thier models varely have any texture ...... or detailed shape."

yea wow looks WAY better

http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/media/images/screenshots/SST_0807_19.jpg

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/imageviewer.html?/burningcrusade/,images/screenshots/,117,241,http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/burningcrusade/screenshots.html?14@27

Warhammer Online is about 3 years too late. WoW has complete dominance in the fantasy MMO market and nothing is going to dent it's numbers. Making a game that is a carbon copy of WoW is not a good way to compete. WoW has matured into what it is today over 3 and a half years, so if you offer something that is basically the same, yet will probably be buggy and unstable for the first few months, people are not going to waste their time with it.

If you read the keynote about ABP with Dave Jones, he acknowledges the fact that WoW is untouchable, unless you offer an MMO that is something completely new and refreshing (Not fantasy or SciFi).

Warhammer is going to fail, purely because there is no reason to go play it when you can play WoW which ticks every box that WAR does.

That same developer blowing gas again, this is the first proper gameplay I have seen of the game, instead of that obsesant art work phase / gas blowing they went through for about 2 years?

And you can naturally guess what I thought the second I looked at the game.

DIRECT RIP OF WoW.

Now, I'm not ignorant to any fact that WoW took alot off Everquest and so forth, but my god, the UI placements are identical with similar Portrating, the damage/being damaged text is the same font AND same colour.

The combat is pretty much identical, only judging from that theres no jumping.

The Graphics are in fact WORSE than WoW's , it lacks both technical prowess and Arsticic **** on top of that its combat despite pretty much being I direct rip doesnt even look as fluid as WoW's.

Looks like an empty game with promise of great RvR ... by the makers of DoAC is fine, but I want to know from any of you where the appeal is coming from? is it just "zomg Warhammer brand label? Aka Fanboyism" or "Epic PvP" which I have yet to see any of, all thats shown is the same as WoW, small groups fighting.....

Wheres the appeal? Why is there hype? I just cant see it.

Meu2k7

I guess all i can say is why don't your read something about the game before making a post on 5 minutes of game footage? I love completely ignorant posters.

[QUOTE="Mizarus"]

[QUOTE="TheBigBadGRIM"]Man I wish I could play the game already. I signed up for the Beta back in November and i'm still in "Applied" status. I just wanna know what the hype is all about. I only HEARD that people love about Warhammer what they hate about WoW. I'm sure PvP is included. Thats why I wanna try it out. I really wanna see if its fun. The fact that its a WoW ripoff pisses me off except when you said the GAMEPLAY is like WoW. Thats good cause I dont have to worry about learning how to play, i'll be a veteran before even trying it. Based on what I know thus far: Better Storyline= Warcraft universe (Yeah I read 15 Warcraft books dont argue with me on this one) Better PvE= WoW, based on what i've been told about both games. Better PvP= ??? Better Graphics= Clearly the most modern one, Warhammer. Better Art Design= WoW runs circles around ANY game in this category. Better Sound/Music= Who gives a ****. I just wanna play the beta to try out the PvP.Meu2k7

accuatly i felt like Warhammer graphics are pretty outaded, i think WoW Graphics might be better but i need to see some recent Screenshots from Warhammer first

Yea, Warhammer is both technically and astistically weaker, looking at it I thought I was looking at an early PS2 game. The developer is talking about how cool the Dark Elves/High Elves were ... adn im like ... "thier models varely have any texture ...... or detailed shape."

I agree about the graphics. I thought they were always bad compared to the graphics in WoW, from every screenshot I have seen.

I have to agree that EA Mythic is only trying to appeal to the large WoW fanbase.

Age of Conan is our best hope.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

That same developer blowing gas again, this is the first proper gameplay I have seen of the game, instead of that obsesant art work phase / gas blowing they went through for about 2 years?

And you can naturally guess what I thought the second I looked at the game.

DIRECT RIP OF WoW.

Now, I'm not ignorant to any fact that WoW took alot off Everquest and so forth, but my god, the UI placements are identical with similar Portrating, the damage/being damaged text is the same font AND same colour.

The combat is pretty much identical, only judging from that theres no jumping.

The Graphics are in fact WORSE than WoW's , it lacks both technical prowess and Arsticic **** on top of that its combat despite pretty much being I direct rip doesnt even look as fluid as WoW's.

Looks like an empty game with promise of great RvR ... by the makers of DoAC is fine, but I want to know from any of you where the appeal is coming from? is it just "zomg Warhammer brand label? Aka Fanboyism" or "Epic PvP" which I have yet to see any of, all thats shown is the same as WoW, small groups fighting.....

Wheres the appeal? Why is there hype? I just cant see it.

whitey_rolls

I guess all i can say is why don't your read something about the game before making a post on 5 minutes of game footage? I love completely ignorant posters.

Oh I have, if I wanted to level up killing players I would play a bloody First Person Shooter.

I loved it when the developer said "Instead of capturing flags we will capture things like bridges" ... :lol: ... the differences is outstanding.

Isn't WoW a direct rip off of EverquestBLaZe462

and everquest is a rip-off of Meridian 59 :P

Isn't WoW a direct rip off of EverquestBLaZe462

I covered that already, but WoW improved on many of the tedious aspects.

And I'm not saying Warhammer is a clone in every direction ... just the core gameplay is pretty much identical ... only less refined.

i reckon that age of conan will be better than warhammer online :(

at least for its graphics :P

i reckon that age of conan will be better than warhammer online :(

at least for its graphics :P

eva89

I agree, it looks like a more ambitious game allround.

Though they need to sort out those comabt animations :P , hitting people without even near touching them is just bad for this day and age.

[QUOTE="eva89"]

i reckon that age of conan will be better than warhammer online :(

at least for its graphics :P

Meu2k7

I agree, it looks like a more ambitious game allround.

Though they need to sort out those comabt animations :P , hitting people without even near touching them is just bad for this day and age.

yea btw could it be the latency?i seen the 1st gameplay video.the character was hitting the air :S.

Meu2k7:

I would not say that I disagree with what you are saying. I do, however, believe that you are misinformed.

Firstly, Yes. Warhammer borrows heavily from games like WoW. However, I'd say it borrows alot more from their previous MMORPG, DaoC (which WoW in turn, borrowed havily from). To me, it's all well and good. The entire genre advances by crawling on the backs of those games that came before. We can sit here and list every MMORPG and what features they "stole" from other games, but it's pointless because if they didn't then the genre would never go anywhere. As long as each game brings something new to the table, there isnt a whole lot to complain about.

Next let me say that i've been in War beta for about 4 months now, so I have a bit of insight for you. Artistically, the graphics may not be your cup of tea. There isnt much I can say about that. It's your opinion and you are welcomed to it. Technically, however, you should know one big piece of information: Any video/screenshot preview you see right now is on the lowest graphical settings possible. For whatever reason, the defelopers have decided that the clients currently being used to test the game won't have the ability to change graphical configurations. You can't change the texture detail, you cant change the draw distance, you cant even change the resolution in some cases. Everythin gis defaulted to low, and thats how they want us to test things. Remember that the game is still fairly early. It's still going to cook for another 7-9 months so critiquing this aspect of the game is a little unfair.

Also keep in mind that they are developing for a wide range of systems, so comparing War graphics to AoC is unfair as well. AoC will require a highend rig, which will severly limit it's success potential. WAR is taking blizzard's approach, capeable graphics that dont exclude a high percentage of pc gamers. That said, I do actually believe that WAR's graphics are better than WoWs, at least from a technical standpoint. Even on low settings, the models are far more detailed and things like realtime shadows make the world seem much more alive.

So why the hype? Let me explain: Many MMORPGers fall into one of two categories: PvE or PvP. WoW has been successful because it caters to both, but the fact remains that until recently, PvP was a secondary aspect in WoW. Battlegrounds were not released until a full year after the game launched, and because the game was never designed with serious PvP in mind, it has serious flaws in the PvP area. One of the largest being that the game's infrastructure just can't handle large scale open world pvp. And that is something that many people pine for.

In comes Warhammer Online....

Warhammer is the exact opposite of WoW in that the developer priorities are PvP first and PvE second. For example, you can level your character entirely through pvp which is not an option in WoW. Also, WAR promises large scale pvp with keeps and fortresses, siege weapons and a whole host of objectives and cities to burn.

DaoC was and still is a very popular game. Warhammer Online is the spiritual successor to that game. WAR also appeals to many current/former WoW players who find the game's PvP lacking, which it is. Those are two major reasons why there is so much hype around Warhammer

TeamR got it exactly right.

I think alot of you who have only played WoW, or never really played DaoC are talking out of something other than yer mouths! :)

I've played 'em all, I remember when in WoW there were huge wars because there was no honor, etc. Just people have fun colliding in battle.

I remember AV being crappy, very crappy. Never even touched the system DAOC has.

I played WoW before I played DAOC believe it or not, right now I'm currently playing DAOC and I find the RVR/PVP to be incredible. If WAR is anything like DAOC it will be worth a shot.

The strategy/community aspects of DAOCs PVP/RVR exceeds WoW's exponentially - it's just way more...permanent.

I could go on for hours - but I'll leave it at that. AoC like abovementioned is going to be graphic intensive, and unfortunately - I played Anarchy Online @ Launch. Hell on earth doesn't describe it :P So I have little faith in AoC.

A good way to determine how good a game may or may not be is what is promised, whats shown etc. AoC comes out pretty soon and I haven't seen indepth coverage on all the supposed systems its going to have - either indicating a delay on release - or like Anarchy Online... a dead fish.

WAR in my book is the only MMO I may be looking forward too. If you're looking for some good pvp though - come to DAOC! It's still kickin'.

[QUOTE="BLaZe462"]Isn't WoW a direct rip off of EverquestMeu2k7

I covered that already, but WoW improved on many of the tedious aspects.

And I'm not saying Warhammer is a clone in every direction ... just the core gameplay is pretty much identical ... only less refined.

my bad, missed that

You being a blatant wow fanboy, your 'criticism' is hardly chocking. Obviously, you have little concept or experience as to what a beta is. The current version availible to beta testers have, by default, all graphic settings on the lowest mark. The screens released with proper graphic settings look amazing.

MMO UI is basically standard by now. Sure, some things differ, but really, to say that WAR rip off WoW's UI is equal to claiming that it's a ripoff to include Orks and Elves in a fantasy MMO (speaking of which, much of what we see in the WarCraft universe was used for decades in the Warhammer universe). Basically, it's not rip-off when it's branch standard.

Your blatant ignorance regarding WAR's RvR system is so mind boggling, I won't even bother commenting on it. I will say this though, WAR is a PvP focused game with elements of PvE, whereas WoW when built was basically an MMO single player/group PvE experience.

At the end of the day, the games are obviously competitors, but they are not seeking to fill the same niche. I believe alot of older players and people who want a more meaningful PvP experience will switch to WAR.

Hey guess what? Its still in BETA!

I know, I know, most WoW players think it came out of the womb perfect. Most current players weren't there for the horrid servers and broken quests. Most current players weren't there when people were screaming "doom and gloom," claiming WoW would fail because the gameplay sucked and servers crashed every 2 hours.

WoW has a very intuitive GUI, every MMO from here on out will borrow a similar GUI. Just like WoW borrowed every aspect of its gameplay from a multitude of MMOs.

I'm starting to see why other MMO players who have moved on from WoW (or skipped it altogether) see WoW players as a bane on gaming culture. Sheesh...

Personnally I am "appealed" because of the franchise, it is warhammer.

However, because of the RvR, I will not even try this game. I don't want to PvP, to RvR or to Raid at ANY moment in my progression. Since the best rewards are been given in RvR; I won't even bother to try the game.

Whoa, heave off the "Fanboy" crap, I dont even play World of Warcraft anymore, and it certainly wasnt my first MMO.

While I agree with some of your additional points, you fail to realize by clone I mean even the way the combat works.

You say that "this is the MMO standard" ... NO KIDDING? ... theyre cloning because it works, which makes it a bad thing in my eyes, I DONT WANT another World of Warcraft/EQ/LOTRO/FF11 styled MMO...

And what, you think a DoAC clone with the core gameplay of WoW labeled as Warhammer is some excuse to accept YET ANOTHER slightly different version of the same grind fest?

Everything you are telling this "Fanboy" he already knows, GOT IT? Mask it with "PvP Focus" ... its just another form of the same combat.

A DoAc/WoW mix ... yea terrific ... only I'm yet to see any large scale battles.

Warcraft is a rip off warhammer, warhammer has been around since the early 80'sArtosa

As a table-top game.... not an MMO.

The Warhammer franchise isn't some sort of beacon of originality and Blizzard has often stated that they based their design concepts on tabletop gaming, which infact is anything from Warhammer to Dungeons & Dragons.

As for WAR the new videos out are kind of ugly, but there are other screenshots that look better than, so far all there seems to be is promisses.

Warcraft is a rip off warhammer, warhammer has been around since the early 80'sArtosa

How so?

Everything you are telling this "Fanboy" he already knows, GOT IT? Mask it with "PvP Focus" ... its just another form of the same combat.

A DoAc/WoW mix ... yea terrific ... only I'm yet to see any large scale battles.

Meu2k7

I'm trying to be civil but your making that increasingly difficult. This "Show me what you got" attitude you have is very annoying. Not because your right or wrong. Because your critisizing a product you havent played, a product that hasn't launched, a product that is still months and months away from completion.

Mythic is playing it smart. Don't show all your cards until your hand is ready. Thats MMO rule #1. Or else you end up with a game like Vanguard: Big promises with that couldnt be delivered. If they show tons and tons of videos before everything is finilized, then things change, people get angry.

So take a chill pill for pete's sake. No, Warhammer isnt completely original....but neither is anything else. If you don't want another game who's core mechanics follow the same formula as WoW and the hundreds of games that came before it, then go away. Stop wasting everyone's time critisizing something you've already decided your going to hate.

What kind of answers do you expect us to give to someone like you? You've made up your mind already. go away

You've yet to see any large scale battles because...

Lets think a second.. WAR is still under NDA..

Its still months away..

Again - you obviously haven't played Mythics other game - there are and will be large scale battles.

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[QUOTE="Artosa"]Warcraft is a rip off warhammer, warhammer has been around since the early 80'sNikalai_88

How so?

compare the original orc models to those from the early Warcraft games and consider the fact that the origins of Warhammer were based around humanity fighting against greenskins. Im not saying that Warhammer is entirely original (especially not Wood Elves which are pretty much torn straight from LOTR) but they have 25 years of history on the topic which is an entire decade more than Warcraft.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Everything you are telling this "Fanboy" he already knows, GOT IT? Mask it with "PvP Focus" ... its just another form of the same combat.

A DoAc/WoW mix ... yea terrific ... only I'm yet to see any large scale battles.

TeamR

I'm trying to be civil but your making that increasingly difficult. This "Show me what you got" attitude you have is very annoying. Not because your right or wrong. Because your critisizing a product you havent played, a product that hasn't launched, a product that is still months and months away from completion.

Mythic is playing it smart. Don't show all your cards until your hand is ready. Thats MMO rule #1. Or else you end up with a game like Vanguard: Big promises with that couldnt be delivered. If they show tons and tons of videos before everything is finilized, then things change, people get angry.

So take a chill pill for pete's sake. No, Warhammer isnt completely original....but neither is anything else. If you don't want another game who's core mechanics follow the same formula as WoW and the hundreds of games that came before it, then go away. Stop wasting everyone's time critisizing something you've already decided your going to hate.

What kind of answers do you expect us to give to someone like you? You've made up your mind already. go away

Uhhh what? "Look here! We have huge RvR battles! But we won't show them to you because then you will know about them and then get upset if they are not put into the game!" The mostly likely reason they don't show the content is because its not ready or not up to standard, not the reson you mentioned.

First of all, the WoW and Warhammer fanboys needs to let go of eachothers' necks. The TC was simply making a point that, from a broad perspective, the game has many similarities to WoW. You can go in depth about how there are hundreds of small details that distinguish it from WoW, but in the end, most people are going to judge it based on what is readily presented to them. And at this point, most people will see a game that is almost identical to WoW. Maybe it's not a proper assumption, but in reality it's simply what people are going to think.

Besides, what good will bashing eachother because of their opinions do, aside from making you look like a judgemental idiot? Nothing. If you like PvE, stick with WoW, if you like PvP, you may want to check out WAR. Make your choice, and don't tell other people they're wrong because their opinions are different than yours.

Personally I like neither game, i'm much more interested in Aion . It's a significantly less popular game, but it looks much more promising than the two big MMOs being released this year. Again, this is only my opinion, so don't flame me for it, lest you look like a moron

That is all

[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]Warcraft is a rip off warhammer, warhammer has been around since the early 80'sBeelzebufo

How so?

compare the original orc models to those from the early Warcraft games and consider the fact that the origins of Warhammer were based around humanity fighting against greenskins. Im not saying that Warhammer is entirely original (especially not Wood Elves which are pretty much torn straight from LOTR) but they have 25 years of history on the topic which is an entire decade more than Warcraft.

Dungeons and Dragons came out in 74' nearly 9 years before Warhammer in '83, the franchise heavily borrowed from that and at times changed just enough for them not to be identical ie. Dark Elves, D&D based them off norse mythology and then Warhammer took the D&D version, made some changes and incorporated them into their lore. There is a diffrence between "ripped off" and "influence by" Accusing Blizzard of the same thing that Games Workshop has done is pure hipocracy.

Isn't WoW a direct rip off of EverquestBLaZe462

If WoW was a direct rip of EQ, you'd be resting for 10 minutes after every monster fight.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Wheres the appeal? Why is there hype? I just cant see it.SKaREO

Idiot, WoW took most their game from the Warhammer Universe.

Way to insert your foot into your mouth.

Lore I can understand but "game"? Seriously?

Oh, and Warhammer took most of their lore from Tolkien while Tolkien took most of his lore from Norse Mythology. Everybody rips off everybody!

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

Everything you are telling this "Fanboy" he already knows, GOT IT? Mask it with "PvP Focus" ... its just another form of the same combat.

A DoAc/WoW mix ... yea terrific ... only I'm yet to see any large scale battles.

TeamR

I'm trying to be civil but your making that increasingly difficult. This "Show me what you got" attitude you have is very annoying. Not because your right or wrong. Because your critisizing a product you havent played, a product that hasn't launched, a product that is still months and months away from completion.

Mythic is playing it smart. Don't show all your cards until your hand is ready. Thats MMO rule #1. Or else you end up with a game like Vanguard: Big promises with that couldnt be delivered. If they show tons and tons of videos before everything is finilized, then things change, people get angry.

So take a chill pill for pete's sake. No, Warhammer isnt completely original....but neither is anything else. If you don't want another game who's core mechanics follow the same formula as WoW and the hundreds of games that came before it, then go away. Stop wasting everyone's time critisizing something you've already decided your going to hate.

What kind of answers do you expect us to give to someone like you? You've made up your mind already. go away

I never said I hated it, I expected more from such a high profile game. I find it quite Ironic that your telling me to chill when your getting upset because I'm critising what appears to be another generic MMO.

And then you get worthless posts like this:

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Wheres the appeal? Why is there hype? I just cant see it.SKaREO

Idiot, WoW took most their game from the Warhammer Universe.

Way to insert your foot into your mouth.

Which is completely off topic, they took story elements? I really couldnt give a crap, There is no Warhammer MMO prior to this, so its compeltely irrelevant to the topic, but thanks for the pointless insult.

[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"]

[QUOTE="Artosa"]Warcraft is a rip off warhammer, warhammer has been around since the early 80'sBeelzebufo

How so?

compare the original orc models to those from the early Warcraft games and consider the fact that the origins of Warhammer were based around humanity fighting against greenskins. Im not saying that Warhammer is entirely original (especially not Wood Elves which are pretty much torn straight from LOTR) but they have 25 years of history on the topic which is an entire decade more than Warcraft.

Now that I'm here... is that it? Humans vs Greenskins? Warcraft II yes, Warcraft III was the uniting of many races , the "Greenskins" are not evil, both sides help eachother against greater evils...

If thats all they had in common, then I find this whole debate hilarious ....

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]Wheres the appeal? Why is there hype? I just cant see it.Redmoonxl2

Idiot, WoW took most their game from the Warhammer Universe.

Way to insert your foot into your mouth.

Lore I can understand but "game"? Seriously?

Oh, and Warhammer took most of their lore from Tolkien while Tolkien took most of his lore from Norse Mythology. Everybody rips off everybody!

WoW has lore? My bad, I've never played. I only see cartoony greenskins and humans fighting each other.

At least we have established that WAR is not a direct rip off of WoW, for anyone who might be too stupid to understand this.

I never said I hated it, I expected more from such a high profile game. I find it quite Ironic that your telling me to chill when your getting upset because I'm critising what appears to be another generic MMO.

Meu2k7

it's like your not reading what you type....

You say you expect more...and it appears to be a generic MMO....

I'm questioning your ability to come to those conclusions because for one, the game isnt finished yet and two, you havent played it. How can you jump to those conclusions on a game that has another year of development time?

Thats like saying that someone's cake taste like crap while it's still baking in the oven.

When the NDA is lifted and the general beta phases start, then feel free to critisize all you want. Right now though, the truth is that you havent seen a fraction of what the game has to offer. Not a fraction. So all this complaining is nothing more than blowing into the wind....it's pointless

WoW has lore? My bad, I've never played. I only see cartoony greenskins and humans fighting each other.

At least we have established that WAR is not a direct rip off of WoW, for anyone who might be too stupid to understand this.

SKaREO

And looking at Warcraft as "Greenskins vs Humans" means you're ignorant to the Warcraft lore, especially when Warcraft Orcs and Warhammer Orcs are nowhere near alike outside of skin color and name.

Also, while Warhammer as a franchise didn't ripoff Warcraft, Warhammer Online does seem cut and paste WoW with a more indepth PvP system, end of story.

Also, while Warhammer as a franchise didn't ripoff Warcraft, Warhammer Online does seem cut and paste WoW with a more indepth PvP system, end of story.

Redmoonxl2

From someone thats played Warhammer Online: No. it's not much like WoW outside of appearance.

But that statement "Warhammer Online does seem to cut and paste WoW" is ignorant. WoW was not the first MMORPG. WoW is not completely original. Saying Warhammer copies WoW is like saying Burger King copied McDonalds. McDonalds may be the biggest burger chain on the planet right now, but they didn't invent the hamburger. They took an ancient formula and added their own flavor to it, just like everyone else.

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Also, while Warhammer as a franchise didn't ripoff Warcraft, Warhammer Online does seem cut and paste WoW with a more indepth PvP system, end of story.

TeamR

From someone thats played Warhammer Online: No. it's not much like WoW outside of appearance.

But that statement "Warhammer Online does seem to cut and paste WoW" is ignorant. WoW was not the first MMORPG. WoW is not completely original. Saying Warhammer copies WoW is like saying Burger King copied McDonalds. McDonalds may be the biggest burger chain on the planet right now, but they didn't invent the hamburger. They took an ancient formula and added their own flavor to it, just like everyone else.

I never said WoW was the first MMO. :| I also never said that Warhammer Online is a carbon copy, I simply implied it seems (keyword) like a carbon copy. Try not to jump to conclusions before being ultra-defensive.

The fact is that the UI, the graphical sty1e and the game in motion looks and feels like WoW. Warhammer Online may play entirely different but for the outside observer who wants a new MMO after playing WoW, he/she is not going to see many differences when judging the game through screenshots and/or videos. Personally, I feel that Mythic has made a stupid move trying to set Warhammer Online up as yet another traditional MMO, which is what WAR clearly is.