I had a good laugh at the latest Warhammer Online Hands on.

I never said WoW was the first MMO. :| I also never said that Warhammer Online is a carbon copy, I simply implied it seems (keyword) like a carbon copy. Try not to jump to conclusions before being ultra-defensive.

The fact is that the UI, the graphical sty1e and the game in motion looks and feels like WoW. Warhammer Online may play entirely different but for the outside observer who wants a new MMO after playing WoW, he/she is not going to see many differences when judging the game through screenshots and/or videos. Personally, I feel that Mythic has made a stupid move trying to set Warhammer Online up as yet another traditional MMO, which is what WAR clearly is.

Redmoonxl2

You think putting "seems" in front of that sentence changes anything? Do you not notice how you go on to draw similarities between the graphics, UI and animation. You even call it a FACT.

The only FACT is that WoW borrowed just as much from previous games in the genre as Warhammer is. WA isnt copying WoW, it's copying the 10+ years of MMORPGs that were around before World of Warcraft.

Why is it so hard for you to understand? WoW's UI is not original. WoW's graphical ****is not original. WoW's motion(?) is not original. By your logic Blizzard did a bad thing by building from pre-established game mechanics, which is what Mythic is doing.

People like things that are familiar. Thats why companies release sequals. Warhammer is an established universe with history that dates back over 20 years. They have a loyal fanbase that will support the game. So I feel that Mythic is making a smart move. The art sty1e is clearly Warhammer, the gameplay is clearly DaoC. There's not a whole lot t hat screams "world of warcraft" but if you can't see that then it's too bad. I suppose if you've never been exposed to much in the MMO/RPG world besides WoW then it's hard to see otherwise

Team R stop drawing baseless conslusions about other people. I myself have never played any MMO despite the two week free trial of AC2 but I have seen many and its very easy to see that WAR looks like WoW, no one stated that the gameplay is exactly like it. You mentioned its like DaoC, maybe the underlying mechanics are, but I watched my roommate play the game, and the WAR videos looked nothing like that. The Warhammer artsyle? Its just painted figures and there are many ways they could be translated to a video game, Blizzard knows how to model the graphics so that they look good and run on low specs. and Mythic seems to be borrowing from them. Anyways some of your statement are baseless, like the reason that RvR combat has not been shown off because if it was cancelled they did not want people to be dissapointed, despite it already being marketed as the games biggest selling point. The most likely reason, is like the new videos, its simply not up to standard.

You think putting "seems" in front of that sentence changes anything? Do you not notice how you go on to draw similarities between the graphics, UI and animation. You even call it a FACT.

The only FACT is that WoW borrowed just as much from previous games in the genre as Warhammer is. WA isnt copying WoW, it's copying the 10+ years of MMORPGs that were around before World of Warcraft.

Why is it so hard for you to understand? WoW's UI is not original. WoW's graphical ****is not original. WoW's motion(?) is not original. By your logic Blizzard did a bad thing by building from pre-established game mechanics, which is what Mythic is doing.

People like things that are familiar. Thats why companies release sequals. Warhammer is an established universe with history that dates back over 20 years. They have a loyal fanbase that will support the game. So I feel that Mythic is making a smart move. The art sty1e is clearly Warhammer, the gameplay is clearly DaoC. There's not a whole lot t hat screams "world of warcraft" but if you can't see that then it's too bad.

TeamR

Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.

I suppose if you've never been exposed to much in the MMO/RPG world besides WoW then it's hard to see otherwise TeamR

By the way, I've played every major MMO from Ultima Online to FFXI before moving on to WoW, which I stopped playing last April. Baseless assumptions driven by fanboyism is always the way to go, eh?

Anyways some of your statement are baseless, like the reason that RvR combat has not been shown off because if it was cancelled they did not want people to be dissapointed, despite it already being marketed as the games biggest selling point. The most likely reason, is like the new videos, its simply not up to standard.

Nikalai_88

lol. Of course that statement is baseless. It's my opinion. Why would you show something in detail that isnt completed? It's not up to standard...YES! Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. It's not up to standard, it's not complete, so why would they flood the internet with videos of it?

But if your whole argument comes down to "War's graphics are similar to WoWs" Then whats the point here? Really? Warcraft and Warhammer have always had similar art direction. The difference is that Warhammer predates Warcraft by more than 10 years. The characters you see in Warhammer Online are exactly like the orks, goblins, and dark elves that fans were painting in the 70s and 80s. That's why I think it's laughable to say that Warhammer looks like WoW. It's a petty, superficial complaint. But more than that, it's a faulty complaint.

Warhammer looks like Warhammer. Warcraft looks like Warhammer too. Not the other way around. I think penny arcade said it best

And as for the fanboy accusations....I encourage you to look at my profile. lol. Check my reviews, check my uploaded videos, check my whole profile then tell me how much of a warhammer fanboy I am. I've been playing WoW since launch. I still play WoW everyday. I love Blizzard and I love WoW, but I can recognize the difference between a game franchise copying something else, and when it's using the same art sty1e it's been using for the last 30 years.

[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"] Anyways some of your statement are baseless, like the reason that RvR combat has not been shown off because if it was cancelled they did not want people to be dissapointed, despite it already being marketed as the games biggest selling point. The most likely reason, is like the new videos, its simply not up to standard.

TeamR

lol. Of course that statement is baseless. It's my opinion. Why would you show something in detail that isnt completed? It's not up to standard...YES! Bingo! You hit the nail on the head. It's not up to standard, it's not complete, so why would they flood the internet with videos of it?

But if your whole argument comes down to "War's graphics are similar to WoWs" Then whats the point here? Really? Warcraft and Warhammer have always had similar art direction. The difference is that Warhammer predates Warcraft by more than 10 years. The characters you see in Warhammer Online are exactly like the orks, goblins, and dark elves that fans were painting in the 70s and 80s. That's why I think it's laughable to say that Warhammer looks like WoW. It's a petty, superficial complaint. But more than that, it's a faulty complaint.

Warhammer looks like Warhammer. Warcraft looks like Warhammer too. Not the other way around. I think penny arcade said it best

"Mythic is playing it smart. Don't show all your cards until your hand is ready. Thats MMO rule #1. Or else you end up with a game like Vanguard: Big promises with that couldnt be delivered. If they show tons and tons of videos before everything is finilized, then things change, people get angry. "

I don't care if its your opinion, this isn't pre-school and no one is going to be afraid to tell you that you are wrong. What promises have they made on RvR, that it will be big, that there will be sieges? You mentioned that the reason they didn't show any of that was because they didn't want to make those promises, the trouble is they already promised all that and marketed it. Then you backtrack and state that it was probably because it was not ready, agreeing with me, so which is it? Are they afraid of breaking promises they already made or that they don't want to show something that is not ready? Anyways its not like Mythic has a high standard for released content, as evidence by the new poor videos that they have released, that as you mentioned run on the lowest settings. Furthermore all the videos I have seen on RvR in WAR (even on youtube) look nothing like the massive DaoC battles, but as several posters mentioned the small scale warfare of other MMO's. Is it even implemented, or are you defending a game for features that you have not tried and that the developer has not even implemented into the beta?

I am not arguing with you about just graphics, but the idiotic bleating of Warhammer fanboys that act like everything Blizzard did ripped off the precious franchise. Guess what? Dungeons and Dragons predates Warhammer by several years and you can make just as a convincing case that Warhammer copied them (ie, Dark Elves) and just changed the setting to a grittier **** Then you mentioned that that Blizzard copied Warhammer for the ****in WarCraft, maybe you would have some sort of an argument if this was Warcraft one or two, but three and onwards? No one is stating that the models are exactly alike, and if you look at things like elf models they in no way are, especially since the WC one is more anime. And then what? Did gamesworkshop invent the orc or the human knight in heavy armour? I would even agree that the actual art****of WarCraft and Warhammer are nothing alike (I admit I like the WH more). What is similar is the overall look of the games, Blizzard used low polygon models to effectively blance looks and performance, Mythic looks like its doing the same, Blizzard used distnace fog as an artistic atribute instead of one to just boost framerates, Mythic is doing the same, Blizzard went for a more cartoony less detailed texture ****with lots of geometry, Mythic is doing the same. There are many ways of converting a tabletop experience to 3d and things like shadows, use of textures, fog and particle effects are not part of the tabletop experience, but Mythic is just taking many pointers from Blizzard on how to do so while maintaining scalability, and when the games look similar its Blizzard that gets the shaft.

Anyways I don't know whats the point, I am actually looking forward to WAR since I enjoyed watching DaoC and I like the idea of a PvP focus, but when people hold up Games Workshop as some sort of beacon of originality and state that Blizzard ripped them off (especially when its StarCraftvs.40K) I can't help but get a little involved.

I don't care if its your opinion, this isn't pre-school and no one is going to be afraid to tell you that you are wrong. What promises have they made on RvR, that it will be big, that there will be sieges? You mentioned that the reason they didn't show any of that was because they didn't want to make those promises, the trouble is they already promised all that and marketed it. Then you backtrack and state that it was probably because it was not ready, agreeing with me, so which is it? Are they afraid of breaking promises they already made or that they don't want to show something that is not ready? Anyways its not like Mythic has a high standard for released content, as evidence by the new poor videos that they have released, that as you mentioned run on the lowest settings. Furthermore all the videos I have seen on RvR in WAR (even on youtube) look nothing like the massive DaoC battles, but as several posters mentioned the small scale warfare of other MMO's. Is it even implemented, or are you defending a game for features that you have not tried and that the developer has not even implemented into the beta?

Nikalai_88

What is wrong with you?? what is wrong with you??

The problem here is that you, and other like you, talk as if the game is released and on shelves. You talk about Mystic's promises as if it's too late for them to deliver.

Thats the real problem and why this argument is totally pointless. You don't seem to understand that the g ame is not going to be released for a very long time, and you judge it based on whatever beta footage you can get your hands on instead of waiting for a more complete product. How can I backtrack and say it isnt ready when....read carefully here: IT ISNT READY. It's not ready! It's a fact that the game isnt ready, so why are you arguing with me about it?! Why would I backtrack to the point i've been saying from the beginning? An indisputable point that no-one can argue

I am not arguing with you about just graphics, but the idiotic bleating of Warhammer fanboys that act like everything Blizzard did ripped off the precious franchise. Guess what? Dungeons and Dragons predates Warhammer by several years and you can make just as a convincing case that Warhammer copied them (ie, Dark Elves)

Anyways I don't know whats the point, I am actually looking forward to WAR since I enjoyed watching DaoC and I like the idea of a PvP focus, but when people hold up Games Workshop as some sort of beacon of originality and state that Blizzard ripped them off (especially when its StarCraftvs.40K) I can't help but get a little involved.

Nikalai_88

Your missing another point here. Namely, the topic of this entire thread. This isnt a thread about Warcraft copying Warhammer, it's a thread about Warhammer copying Warcraft. Maybe you should look back at the original post.

Like I said earlier, it's like saying Burger King rips off Mcdonalds when they all serve variations of the same ancient recipe.

This whole thread is pointless, I agree, but it was a Warcraft fanboy that starting slinging accusations. Not the other way around

What's your point, you mentioned that the reason RvR was not shown was because they didn't want to break any promises, well I pointed out that it dosen't make any sense, you agreed and pretended like you never stated it, ok?

And what am I supposed to do, ignore the three pages of posts in this thread and only focus on the title or the first post? You yourself mentioned that WarCraft copied Warhammer on its artstyle, well I tried to point out that you were wrong and now you go and ingore all that.

[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"]

I don't care if its your opinion, this isn't pre-school and no one is going to be afraid to tell you that you are wrong. What promises have they made on RvR, that it will be big, that there will be sieges? You mentioned that the reason they didn't show any of that was because they didn't want to make those promises, the trouble is they already promised all that and marketed it. Then you backtrack and state that it was probably because it was not ready, agreeing with me, so which is it? Are they afraid of breaking promises they already made or that they don't want to show something that is not ready? Anyways its not like Mythic has a high standard for released content, as evidence by the new poor videos that they have released, that as you mentioned run on the lowest settings. Furthermore all the videos I have seen on RvR in WAR (even on youtube) look nothing like the massive DaoC battles, but as several posters mentioned the small scale warfare of other MMO's. Is it even implemented, or are you defending a game for features that you have not tried and that the developer has not even implemented into the beta?

TeamR

What is wrong with you?? what is wrong with you??

The problem here is that you, and other like you, talk as if the game is released and on shelves. You talk about Mystic's promises as if it's too late for them to deliver.

Thats the real problem and why this argument is totally pointless. You don't seem to understand that the g ame is not going to be released for a very long time, and you judge it based on whatever beta footage you can get your hands on instead of waiting for a more complete product. How can I backtrack and say it isnt ready when....read carefully here: IT ISNT READY. It's not ready! It's a fact that the game isnt ready, so why are you arguing with me about it?! Why would I backtrack to the point i've been saying from the beginning? An indisputable point that no-one can argue

I am not arguing with you about just graphics, but the idiotic bleating of Warhammer fanboys that act like everything Blizzard did ripped off the precious franchise. Guess what? Dungeons and Dragons predates Warhammer by several years and you can make just as a convincing case that Warhammer copied them (ie, Dark Elves)

Anyways I don't know whats the point, I am actually looking forward to WAR since I enjoyed watching DaoC and I like the idea of a PvP focus, but when people hold up Games Workshop as some sort of beacon of originality and state that Blizzard ripped them off (especially when its StarCraftvs.40K) I can't help but get a little involved.

Nikalai_88

Your missing another point here. Namely, the topic of this entire thread. This isnt a thread about Warcraft copying Warhammer, it's a thread about Warhammer copying Warcraft. Maybe you should look back at the original post.

Like I said earlier, it's like saying Burger King rips off Mcdonalds when they all serve variations of the same ancient recipe.

This whole thread is pointless, I agree, but it was a Warcraft fanboy that starting slinging accusations. Not the other way around

why are you so defensive about this game? it seems like you are on the freaking development staff, this topic is about Warhammer online videos giving an impression of being way too similar to the experience WoW already provides, it has nothing to do with previous games.

if anyone is a fanboy here its cleary you

What's your point, you mentioned that the reason RvR was not shown was because they didn't want to break any promises, well I pointed out that it dosen't make any sense, you agreed and pretended like you never stated it, ok?

Nikalai_88

Don't twist my words. I said it was my opinion. And it's just that. I don't work for Mythic. I said it would be silly for them to show everything before it's complete, and they havent. And wouldnt you know it, Warhammer isnt complete.

Go fig

And what am I supposed to do, ignore the three pages of posts in this thread and only focus on the title or the first post? You yourself mentioned that WarCraft copied Warhammer on its artstyle, well I tried to point out that you were wrong and now you go and ingore all that.

Nikalai_88

You can do whatever you want to do. But acting like your jesus on the cross because you entered a warhammer bashing thread where people are defending the game is silly. its silly

why are you so defensive about this game? it seems like you are on the freaking development staff, this topic is about Warhammer online videos giving an impression of being way too similar to the experience WoW already provides, it has nothing to do with previous games.

if anyone is a fanboy here its cleary you

Mizarus

Yes, im a warhammer fanboy. MMMMMmmmm! I love warhammer so much

[QUOTE="Mizarus"]

why are you so defensive about this game? it seems like you are on the freaking development staff, this topic is about Warhammer online videos giving an impression of being way too similar to the experience WoW already provides, it has nothing to do with previous games.

if anyone is a fanboy here its cleary you

TeamR

Yes, im a warhammer fanboy. MMMMMmmmm! I love warhammer so much

Disagreeing with WoW lovers (look, I can throw lables too!) makes me a Warhammer fanboy. Nice!

so if somone thinks a game is similar to another it automaticly makes them a fanboy to that game? i fail to follow your logic.

only a few ammount of people get to play on betas

very few mmo's have a trial period, and most people dont even play those trials anyway since 7-14days is not enough time for somone get to get the right feeling of a mmo

even less people play a fee to see if the game is worth it

now all those ex-wow,everquest,lineage2,etc players are going to see those videos and are going to think, that the game is a clone, because thats what the videos feel like. people will rather play wow which has already an estabilished name on the mmo franchise and its getting another expansion then a risk playng a new IP, my guess is this game will be only played by warhammer fans, and its comunity will only grow if it manages to separat itself from the other mmo's which so far, its doing a terrible job at it.

Blizzard copied warhammer not the other way around, when will you morons figure that out already.zepfya

on the rts genre yeah sure, everyone know what they did, but on the mmo it seems the tables are turning

Blizzard copied warhammer not the other way around, when will you morons figure that out already.zepfya

This has already been disproven and there is a difference between inspired and copied but when will the Warhammer fanboys shut their mouths?

Tean R, I don't know how you can hide behind an opinion that is wrong, all I did was to point out that it is illogical, saying that its your opinion does not mean that it can't be debunked. You stated that they didn't want to show anything because they would be afraid of breaking promises, but I pointed out that those promises where already made, yet you still insist of finding something at issue here. Anyways I made a post on why I think that despite clear differences in artstyle Mythic copied Blizzard and yet you still get people like the poster I quoted who insist its the other way around. And other than stating that the new videos are unimpressive I have not bashed WAR.

This has already been disproven and there is a difference between inspired and copied but when will the Warhammer fanboys shut their mouths?

Tean R, I don't know how you can hide behind an opinion that is wrong, all I did was to point out that it is illogical, saying that its your opinion does not mean that it can't be debunked. You stated that they didn't want to show anything because they would be afraid of breaking promises, but I pointed out that those promises where already made, yet you still insist of finding something at issue here. Anyways I made a post on why I think that despite clear differences in artstyle Mythic copied Blizzard and yet you still get people like the poster I quoted who insist its the other way around.

Nikalai_88

There's nothing left to argue. Come back at the end of the year when the game is out and we can have this discussion. This is pointless otherwise. For some reason your brain can't seem to grasp the idea of a company finishing a product before they release tons of media to the public. You can't understad that so i'm not wasting my time trying to drill it into your skull anymore. They advertise large scale RvR, and they are delivering that. But they don't show the product in full until it's ready. Understand? No? I'm not surprised.

Yes your right. Mythic working with Games Workshop and creating a game based on a 30 year old property copies Warcraft, an 11 year old propery. Warhammer online uses the same art direction as the tabletop games of the 70s and 80s but they copied Blizzard because obviously any cartoonish videogame is just a blatant blizzard rip-off. I understand now. You are so smrt

[QUOTE="Nikalai_88"]

This has already been disproven and there is a difference between inspired and copied but when will the Warhammer fanboys shut their mouths?

Tean R, I don't know how you can hide behind an opinion that is wrong, all I did was to point out that it is illogical, saying that its your opinion does not mean that it can't be debunked. You stated that they didn't want to show anything because they would be afraid of breaking promises, but I pointed out that those promises where already made, yet you still insist of finding something at issue here. Anyways I made a post on why I think that despite clear differences in artstyle Mythic copied Blizzard and yet you still get people like the poster I quoted who insist its the other way around.

TeamR

There's nothing left to argue. Come back at the end of the year when the game is out and we can have this discussion. This is pointless otherwise. For some reason your brain can't seem to grasp the idea of a company finishing a product before they release tons of media to the public. You can't understad that so i'm not wasting my time trying to drill it into your skull anymore. They advertise large scale RvR, and they are delivering that. But they don't show the product in full until it's ready. Understand? No? I'm not surprised.

Yes your right. Mythic working with Games Workshop and creating a game based on a 30 year old property copies Warcraft, an 11 year old propery. Warhammer online uses the same art direction as the tabletop games of the 70s and 80s but they copied Blizzard because obviously any cartoonish videogame is just a blatant blizzard rip-off. I understand now. You are so smrt

First of all here is your original quote

"Mythic is playing it smart. Don't show all your cards until your hand is ready. Thats MMO rule #1. Or else you end up with a game like Vanguard: Big promises with that couldnt be delivered. If they show tons and tons of videos before everything is finilized, then things change, people get angry."

Now what your brain can't seem to grasp is that your opinion on this matter was wrong and stupid. Let me drill this into your head: you (as in Team R) stated that Mythic did not want to show anything off because they would have broken some promises. I (Nikalai88') pointed out that those promises were already made, so your opinion was based on wrong facts. Then I (Nikalai88') stated that the reason was most likely because the content was not ready, NOT BECAUSE THEY DID NOT PROMISE IT AS YOU IMPLIED. Then you (Team R) implied that I was an idiot and stated that the content was not shown off because it was not ready, EXACTLY THE SAME THING I HAVE STATED, BUT YOU COMPLETLY FORGOT ABOUT YOUR ORIGINAL ARGUMENT. There I hope your brain can uderstand that.

On to the artstyle, do you (Team R) think that this and this, looks like this and this? If you (Team R) can't tell the difference in the art****than I am not sure what to say, because THEY ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT. Yet you (Team R) maintain that they look the same. My (Nikalai88') argument is the similarity is do to Mythic using similar rendering techniques as Blizzard, such as geometry, distance fog, textures and low polygon models. So the similarities are not do to Blizzard ripping off the ****of Warhammer but Mythic looking at the way Blizzard creates great graphics while taking up few resources, which is more than cartoonish as there are many cartoonish games that do not look alike. The similarities in landscape and geometry are even more present, and here you can't argue that they ripped of the crappy landscapes Game's Workshop sells.

How about we wait til the game is released before you complain about it. Is there anything else that really needs to be said?

[QUOTE="zepfya"]Blizzard copied warhammer not the other way around, when will you morons figure that out already.Mizarus

on the rts genre yeah sure, everyone know what they did, but on the mmo it seems the tables are turning

Why is Blizzard adding keeps and siege weapons to their RvR implementation? Or, wait...

So Warhammer came before Warcraft (about 20 years ago) and Mythic was making awesome MMOs before Blizzard. So are we still arguing that Warhammer is a rip off, or that its not enough like Warcraft? I'm confused now.

[QUOTE="Mizarus"]

[QUOTE="zepfya"]Blizzard copied warhammer not the other way around, when will you morons figure that out already.SKaREO

on the rts genre yeah sure, everyone know what they did, but on the mmo it seems the tables are turning

Why is Blizzard adding keeps and siege weapons to their RvR implementation? Or, wait...

So Warhammer came before Warcraft (about 20 years ago) and Mythic was making awesome MMOs before Blizzard. So are we still arguing that Warhammer is a rip off, or that its not enough like Warcraft? I'm confused now.

those thing are being implemented for obvios reasons, its what everyone wants, most big mmo's have it, they are not copyng this from mythic its just common sense that siege weapons (and sieges) are great for mediaval settings.

the thing here is that WoW is already an estabilished franchise, warhammer being so similar wont be a very atractive game for people who already play/played WoW, and it dosent seem to bring anything new to the table, the only thing ive liked about the WAR mmo is the quest system, which is a shame i had high expectations for this MMO

well this is the most upsetting thread ever. one guy thinks tht warhammer suks coz wow is much better and tht warhammer copied stuf frm wow. and the other guy says tht this game is still under development but no one chooses to read tht part of the comment. yes this thread is hilarious and sad as well.

im not going to make any smart comments here coz i think its pointless coz ppl tend to read and understand what they want to other than tht everying is garbage. personally i dont like wow nor warhammer coz i think both games are bad. played wow and got to lvl 56 and started hating. the pvp and the pve suks dont ask me y coz i am in no mood of explaining for the 500th time. anyways warhammer will come out in a year and then we will have fanboys jumping on each other and trying to get those minor flaws which dont actually hurt the gameplay experience. but seriously who cares. u get angry coz warhammer is getting advertised well arent u stupid. u have 8 million ppl playing wow and u get angry ccoz some other game gets advertised. silly.

i dont see any problem in some game getting hyped coz ppl can like a game and stop being a 11th century missionary and try to convert ppl .

The UI thing is pretty ignorant. You all know that WoW's UI was highly influenced by the CUSTOM UI created by fans of EQ. A crapload in wow was brought from EQ because alot of their core designers played EQ for a long time. Just like how Meridian 59 highly influenced UO and EQ, because alot of the devs played that MUD. WoW is successful. I am very sure there are devs on the warhammer team who has played wow a great deal, and it influences their work.

What the fud happened to still respecting the things that influenced what you currently enjoy? You dont have to reference a grandfather comment and insult it at the same time.

WoW has a place in mmorpg history, and like all other mmorpgs, it will slowly fade. Like how games mimiced EQ to become more successful, a mmorpg with a rich history outside of MMORPG will come and snag the throne from WoW. That is how it goes, and will keep going.

Warhammer deserves some respect for diving into the fold. They have a rich lore and history, and I am sure they will do very well for themselves because of it. If they go for the pvp niche and keep to their guns they should have a good retention rate. I dont see the artistic look as lifeless, and I dont see WoW's artistic method cartoony. I do prefer the EQ2/Vanguard artistic look, but I dont insult other methods just cause its not my preferred flavor.

Warhammer has a long way till release, and plenty can change for the better or worse. Competition is good. If AoC and Warhammer does really well, you can bet Blizzard will put extra effort into their upcoming expansion. If they both fail, then blizzard dosent have to go a extra mile.

So I hope AoC and Warhammer do extremly well, and it will help bring the mmorpg pickings to new heights due to competition of subscriptions not being so one-sided on the mainstream end. If your a wow fan, you should hope for this too, because those two mmorpgs doing good means you also get a better game. Dont understand why many dont see it this way..

[QUOTE="BLaZe462"]Isn't WoW a direct rip off of EverquestMeu2k7

I covered that already, but WoW improved on many of the tedious aspects.

And I'm not saying Warhammer is a clone in every direction ... just the core gameplay is pretty much identical ... only less refined.

I was in the Closed Beta until they suspended my account because I didn't log on for a month. The game is horrible, and yes the graphics are worse then WoW. But I will surely not be buying this game.

Crap in my opinion.

I was in the Closed Beta until they suspended my account because I didn't log on for a month. The game is horrible, and yes the graphics are worse then WoW. But I will surely not be buying this game.

Crap in my opinion.

Expo_Smacko

Troll with no proof.

http://i25.tinypic.com/mx2d6p.jpg is proof WAR looks ten times better than wow. I don't know how any one can say this is the same as wow. WOW is all about pvp grinding to get honor, this is about advancing your faction. The only way to get high gear in the game is to sack the capital city and advance your side, in wow pvp means nothing. The posters who say this game is the same saw one screenshot of war and assumed