I unfortunately was forced to switch from PC to Mac, but surprisingly....

There's nothing wrong with MACs and the OSX Platform, people who say MACs are useless have no idea what they are talking about. The problem I see is that if you go MAC, you are paying over the top prices for the same hardware (since Mac now even uses Intel) and for an OS that does LESS than Windows...FelipeInside

and 60-70% of pc games are not even playable on OSX....

Total over priced bro, should have went alienware if you wanted the bestBieberfan147

Now that's irony!

If you have money to throw away, why not? Personally i wouldn't spend 2k for a MAC even if i was forced :P But on the other hand it sounds like it has it's uses and you seem to like it so good for you.

Two grand is average for a Mac. I'm assuming the display is your run of the mill 60 Hz display, and it runs on a Hard Drive rather than a SSD. Definitely could have got a lot more bang for your buck with PC components. Also, music editing is notoriously simplified on Macs. Pro Tools is cross-platform so it doesn't matter if you use a PC; in fact it's better because PCs are designed modularly.SKaREO

The 27in iMacs use 1440p IPS displays

Even with that sweet display, that's still overpriced for what you're getting. Which isn't surprising. It has the Apple logo. That's a few hundred dollars right there. The feeling of exclusivity you get by not being able to run windows programs.. that's another couple hundred.

If you've got the money, and like the package, then by all means, go for a Mac. It's not my place to tell people how to spend their money. I am really sick of people (not necessarily you, TC, but the Mac fanboys around here) acting like Macs are the only way to go if you want to produce music or video, though. I've been recording music for years, in multiple professional studios, and most of the producers I've worked with are using windows. I ask them why, and they say "because it does everything I could ever need, and then some, and macs are ludicrously expensive". If you know how to use your programs, there's nothing stopping anyone from getting flawless, professional, hollywood-quality music production out of a reasonably priced windows PC with Cubase (assuming you've got the quality hardware to back it up. microphones, mixing boards, effects, etc.).

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Two grand is average for a Mac. I'm assuming the display is your run of the mill 60 Hz display, and it runs on a Hard Drive rather than a SSD. Definitely could have got a lot more bang for your buck with PC components. Also, music editing is notoriously simplified on Macs. Pro Tools is cross-platform so it doesn't matter if you use a PC; in fact it's better because PCs are designed modularly.lostrib

The 27in iMacs use 1440p IPS displays

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This is why I don't like the Mac Operating System.

LegatoSkyheart

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This is why I don't like the Mac Operating System.

LegatoSkyheart

why?

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"]Two grand is average for a Mac. I'm assuming the display is your run of the mill 60 Hz display, and it runs on a Hard Drive rather than a SSD. Definitely could have got a lot more bang for your buck with PC components. Also, music editing is notoriously simplified on Macs. Pro Tools is cross-platform so it doesn't matter if you use a PC; in fact it's better because PCs are designed modularly.SKaREO

The 27in iMacs use 1440p IPS displays

Well it's not exactly run of the mill in the quality of the monitor, outside of the refresh rate which doesnt seem that important to him

Nobody will argue that they dont feel "premium" the main complaint is despite that premium feeling you get less for your money by a steep ammount. What software unique to mac do you require for music? But that aside $2000. Nice screen or not, you could of has 2x 27 inch Monitors of equal quality for a much bigger workspace along with a much better graphic card to support it. amongst other things. I am in the market for a new laptop. I looked at the lowest end macbook pros... not GPU ... I dont care how "premium" it fields even paying £1300 you get no graphic card, wtf is the point? really? when I can get a premium feeling Asus or Lenova with an equally powerful i7 for £500/600? for £850 I can get an Asus laptop that looks as nice as a macbook pro, has much better speakers, similar display, backlit, i7 at 3.2 gz turbo boost, and an nvidia 635M (not amazing but better than nothing).... £999 macbook pro.... nothing of the sort. Its true they tend to feel more premium..... but its shallow. Now please answer my 1 point, why was it "crafted for music" ... please tell, because i see graphic design students spout the same nonsense and they are liars... most of them just use the damn adobe suite.MBirdy88

Well both Garage Band and Logic Pro are Mac exclusive programs. Logic does several different things better than Pro Tools for me personally, I also have had a very bad previous experience with pro tools (crashing mostly). Recording in garage band is the most simple thing in the entire world, I can then take that exact same file, transport it into Logic Pro , then go into the Apple store and master the track with a sound engineer. I am serious about music, and anyone who is knows that Apple does it right for the artist. The 27 inch monitor here is not equal quatlity, it is a higher resoltion, ips display. I have a GTX 675mx, which is more than enough to run games on it.

I wasn't saying ALL Mac's were good deals, but this iMac is very good. I wasn't saying everyone should buy macsm I didnt even say I wanted it! I use it ONLY for music and run WINDOWS to play all of my games flawlessly. I don't like the Mac OS that much but I can't argue the overall quality and ease of use of the product.

It seems like you all MISSED THE POINT. I wasnt saying "everyone buy macs!" I said "I had to get one and it wasnt so bad!"

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Nobody will argue that they dont feel "premium" the main complaint is despite that premium feeling you get less for your money by a steep ammount. What software unique to mac do you require for music? But that aside $2000. Nice screen or not, you could of has 2x 27 inch Monitors of equal quality for a much bigger workspace along with a much better graphic card to support it. amongst other things. I am in the market for a new laptop. I looked at the lowest end macbook pros... not GPU ... I dont care how "premium" it fields even paying £1300 you get no graphic card, wtf is the point? really? when I can get a premium feeling Asus or Lenova with an equally powerful i7 for £500/600? for £850 I can get an Asus laptop that looks as nice as a macbook pro, has much better speakers, similar display, backlit, i7 at 3.2 gz turbo boost, and an nvidia 635M (not amazing but better than nothing).... £999 macbook pro.... nothing of the sort. Its true they tend to feel more premium..... but its shallow. Now please answer my 1 point, why was it "crafted for music" ... please tell, because i see graphic design students spout the same nonsense and they are liars... most of them just use the damn adobe suite.Crypt_mx

Well both Garage Band and Logic Pro are Mac exclusive programs. Logic does several different things better than Pro Tools for me personally, I also have had a very bad previous experience with pro tools (crashing mostly). Recording in garage band is the most simple thing in the entire world, I can then take that exact same file, transport it into Logic Pro , then go into the Apple store and master the track with a sound engineer. I am serious about music, and anyone who is knows that Apple does it right for the artist. The 27 inch monitor here is not equal quatlity, it is a higher resoltion, ips display. I have a GTX 675mx, which is more than enough to run games on it.

I wasn't saying ALL Mac's were good deals, but this iMac is very good. I wasn't saying everyone should buy macsm I didnt even say I wanted it! I use it ONLY for music and run WINDOWS to play all of my games flawlessly. I don't like the Mac OS that much but I can't argue the overall quality and ease of use of the product.

It seems like you all MISSED THE POINT. I wasnt saying "everyone buy macs!" I said "I had to get one and it wasnt so bad!"

It seems like gaming is your secondary purpose anyways.  Macs really should not be bought for gaming purposes

[QUOTE="Crypt_mx"]

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Nobody will argue that they dont feel "premium" the main complaint is despite that premium feeling you get less for your money by a steep ammount. What software unique to mac do you require for music? But that aside $2000. Nice screen or not, you could of has 2x 27 inch Monitors of equal quality for a much bigger workspace along with a much better graphic card to support it. amongst other things. I am in the market for a new laptop. I looked at the lowest end macbook pros... not GPU ... I dont care how "premium" it fields even paying £1300 you get no graphic card, wtf is the point? really? when I can get a premium feeling Asus or Lenova with an equally powerful i7 for £500/600? for £850 I can get an Asus laptop that looks as nice as a macbook pro, has much better speakers, similar display, backlit, i7 at 3.2 gz turbo boost, and an nvidia 635M (not amazing but better than nothing).... £999 macbook pro.... nothing of the sort. Its true they tend to feel more premium..... but its shallow. Now please answer my 1 point, why was it "crafted for music" ... please tell, because i see graphic design students spout the same nonsense and they are liars... most of them just use the damn adobe suite.lostrib

Well both Garage Band and Logic Pro are Mac exclusive programs. Logic does several different things better than Pro Tools for me personally, I also have had a very bad previous experience with pro tools (crashing mostly). Recording in garage band is the most simple thing in the entire world, I can then take that exact same file, transport it into Logic Pro , then go into the Apple store and master the track with a sound engineer. I am serious about music, and anyone who is knows that Apple does it right for the artist. The 27 inch monitor here is not equal quatlity, it is a higher resoltion, ips display. I have a GTX 675mx, which is more than enough to run games on it.

I wasn't saying ALL Mac's were good deals, but this iMac is very good. I wasn't saying everyone should buy macsm I didnt even say I wanted it! I use it ONLY for music and run WINDOWS to play all of my games flawlessly. I don't like the Mac OS that much but I can't argue the overall quality and ease of use of the product.

It seems like you all MISSED THE POINT. I wasnt saying "everyone buy macs!" I said "I had to get one and it wasnt so bad!"

It seems like gaming is your secondary purpose anyways.  Macs really should not be bought for gaming purposes

Well gaming is one of my passions and my favorite hobby, but I suppose it does come secondary to my music. Like i said I am planning on building another gaming PC in the future, but this is a good enough gaming machine until then.

what is this sorcery! k2theswiss

Linux is incredibly customizable. I think you can make it look like Windows too, but making the system look like a Mac is easier.

why?

lostrib

Saw a tutorial. It was really easy.

Total over priced bro, should have went alienware if you wanted the bestBieberfan147

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]There's nothing wrong with MACs and the OSX Platform, people who say MACs are useless have no idea what they are talking about. The problem I see is that if you go MAC, you are paying over the top prices for the same hardware (since Mac now even uses Intel) and for an OS that does LESS than Windows...II-Siamak-II

and 60-70% of pc games are not even playable on OSX....

Why spend all the money for the 670MX when no demanding games actually work on mac?

Why spend all the money for the 670MX when no demanding games actually work on mac?

kraken2109

Because like I said, Ill repeat AGAIN. I am running WINDOWS as well in boot camp. In windows I was playing Crysis 3 earlier and it ran amazingly.

lol mac, lol garageband, lol protools... there are far better programs out there for audio recording.JKnaperek

LOL can you at least read what I actually wrote. I use Garage Band only for recording because it is easiest. I don't use protools at all, I use Logic Pro, which allows me to directly open any garage band file. Logic is an amazing music mastering tool, so I do all mixing inside of it.

What amazing program are you using, what kind of music do you make?

Well it sounds like you're having fun and I'm not going to dish out on you for that. Yes, raw hardware it is less bang for your buck but quality is up to your perception and if you find the software//OS and general "feel" of a Mac better than more power to ya man.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]There's nothing wrong with MACs and the OSX Platform, people who say MACs are useless have no idea what they are talking about. The problem I see is that if you go MAC, you are paying over the top prices for the same hardware (since Mac now even uses Intel) and for an OS that does LESS than Windows...II-Siamak-II

and 60-70% of pc games are not even playable on OSX....

THIS I think all gamers who have Macs should read...

[QUOTE="II-Siamak-II"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]There's nothing wrong with MACs and the OSX Platform, people who say MACs are useless have no idea what they are talking about. The problem I see is that if you go MAC, you are paying over the top prices for the same hardware (since Mac now even uses Intel) and for an OS that does LESS than Windows...LordShockTitan

and 60-70% of pc games are not even playable on OSX....

THIS I think all gamers who have Macs should read...

I've said it probably 4 or 5 times. No one games in OSX. Apple has crafted a handy program called Bootcamp that runs Windows. I play all the same games you can.

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]what is this sorcery! LegatoSkyheart

Linux is incredibly customizable. I think you can make it look like Windows too, but making the system look like a Mac is easier.

why?

lostrib

Saw a tutorial. It was really easy.

I meant why don't you like Mac OSx?

Welcome to the superior side. Windows and its successor will only continue to pwn its major userbase.

[QUOTE="Bieberfan147"]Total over priced bro, should have went alienware if you wanted the bestjer_1

Now that's irony!

I gotta disagree with you. The notion that Alienware is garbage is ridiculous. I have had mine for months and it is reliable, sturdy, incredibly fast, efficient and a beast at gaming. It performs better than all my friends who have ridiculous gaming set ups, and mine is a laptop. I can't say I agree. But then again, people judge those for having a Ferrari, when they can't ever have one, most can't afford an Alienware, but pick on those who can. Regardless, we are entitled to our opinions.

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

[QUOTE="Bieberfan147"]Total over priced bro, should have went alienware if you wanted the bestFamilyGuyFan507

Now that's irony!

I gotta disagree with you. The notion that Alienware is garbage is ridiculous. I have had mine for months and it is reliable, sturdy, incredibly fast, efficient and a beast at gaming. It performs better than all my friends who have ridiculous gaming set ups, and mine is a laptop. I can't say I agree. But then again, people judge those for having a Ferrari, when they can't ever have one, most can't afford an Alienware, but pick on those who can. Regardless, we are entitled to our opinions.

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

[QUOTE="Bieberfan147"]Total over priced bro, should have went alienware if you wanted the bestFamilyGuyFan507

Now that's irony!

I gotta disagree with you. The notion that Alienware is garbage is ridiculous. I have had mine for months and it is reliable, sturdy, incredibly fast, efficient and a beast at gaming. It performs better than all my friends who have ridiculous gaming set ups, and mine is a laptop. I can't say I agree. But then again, people judge those for having a Ferrari, when they can't ever have one, most can't afford an Alienware, but pick on those who can. Regardless, we are entitled to our opinions.

Terrible analogy.  Totally different.  Using Ferrarri and comparing to alienware products?  I'm sure anyone here that has built a gaming PC can afford an Alienware laptop or desktop, most of us choose not to because we're smarter than that, and we're not lazy to build our own customized PC.  Unique ownership, cheaper, and better performance.

Why would you be proud of owning an Alienware laptop if it costs more than most gaming setups? Most gaming setups that are home built are cheaper and faster.  Other non-Alienware gaming laptops are cheaper and just as good, if not better.

There's no way your Alienware laptop is faster than ALL your friends "ridiculous" gaming setups unless their setups are weak to begin with. It's like saying your Alienware laptop cost more than everyone's computer on this forum, yet we all paid less for our gaming PC and it's more powerful than your laptop.

You can be proud of owning a Ferrari because you might love sports cars and you worked your butt off to buy one. I would never deny a man for basking in his success by buying an expensive home or car. But what we're talking about here is a laptop/computer desktop. No one should be proud of paying more and getting less for a gaming PC/laptop. Bragging about it doesn't make you cool either.  It makes you sound stupid.

This is like a financial planner educating their clients on the importance of saving their money and how to invest, but the client refuses to heed to advice and retires with bread crumbs. 

Do as you will though, but no one here is "picking on you."  I'm merely stating the obvious.

I can't believe you allowed the bieberfan troll to get you guys into an alienware debate.

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]Nobody will argue that they dont feel "premium" the main complaint is despite that premium feeling you get less for your money by a steep ammount. What software unique to mac do you require for music? But that aside $2000. Nice screen or not, you could of has 2x 27 inch Monitors of equal quality for a much bigger workspace along with a much better graphic card to support it. amongst other things. I am in the market for a new laptop. I looked at the lowest end macbook pros... not GPU ... I dont care how "premium" it fields even paying £1300 you get no graphic card, wtf is the point? really? when I can get a premium feeling Asus or Lenova with an equally powerful i7 for £500/600? for £850 I can get an Asus laptop that looks as nice as a macbook pro, has much better speakers, similar display, backlit, i7 at 3.2 gz turbo boost, and an nvidia 635M (not amazing but better than nothing).... £999 macbook pro.... nothing of the sort. Its true they tend to feel more premium..... but its shallow. Now please answer my 1 point, why was it "crafted for music" ... please tell, because i see graphic design students spout the same nonsense and they are liars... most of them just use the damn adobe suite.Crypt_mx

Well both Garage Band and Logic Pro are Mac exclusive programs. Logic does several different things better than Pro Tools for me personally, I also have had a very bad previous experience with pro tools (crashing mostly). Recording in garage band is the most simple thing in the entire world, I can then take that exact same file, transport it into Logic Pro , then go into the Apple store and master the track with a sound engineer. I am serious about music, and anyone who is knows that Apple does it right for the artist. The 27 inch monitor here is not equal quatlity, it is a higher resoltion, ips display. I have a GTX 675mx, which is more than enough to run games on it.

I wasn't saying ALL Mac's were good deals, but this iMac is very good. I wasn't saying everyone should buy macsm I didnt even say I wanted it! I use it ONLY for music and run WINDOWS to play all of my games flawlessly. I don't like the Mac OS that much but I can't argue the overall quality and ease of use of the product.

It seems like you all MISSED THE POINT. I wasnt saying "everyone buy macs!" I said "I had to get one and it wasnt so bad!"

I think you're crazy for getting a Mac just for music (something PC's are equally capable of doing, if not better). The Mac exclusive apps are a joke anyways. It sounds more like you got suckered honestly. People who think you need Macs for creative output are lulz-worthy.

a quick bit of googling and this appeared

http://www.garagebandforwindows.org/

oh and its not that much of a stretch to have MAC OSX running on custom PC hardware either.........

[QUOTE="LordShockTitan"]

[QUOTE="II-Siamak-II"]

and 60-70% of pc games are not even playable on OSX....

Crypt_mx

THIS I think all gamers who have Macs should read...

I've said it probably 4 or 5 times. No one games in OSX. Apple has crafted a handy program called Bootcamp that runs Windows. I play all the same games you can.

And as a person who owns both I can tell you Windows never runs as smooth on Mac ( bootcamp ) as it would on an actual PC

They feel very premium, as if every detail was considered.Crypt_mx

[QUOTE="FamilyGuyFan507"]

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

Now that's irony!

FelipeInside

I gotta disagree with you. The notion that Alienware is garbage is ridiculous. I have had mine for months and it is reliable, sturdy, incredibly fast, efficient and a beast at gaming. It performs better than all my friends who have ridiculous gaming set ups, and mine is a laptop. I can't say I agree. But then again, people judge those for having a Ferrari, when they can't ever have one, most can't afford an Alienware, but pick on those who can. Regardless, we are entitled to our opinions.

Turns out the PC/Mac forum is just a Mac hating frenzy. 

You guys are really hilarious because no one reads what I write, they just respond with BS. I dont just want garage band....I also want Logic Pro and for both programs to work flawlessly together.

Im assuming very few people here make music, as I have been making music for a while and used about 10 different programs for recording and mastering. Nothing is better that Logic IMO, it was the reason I bought my Mac.

Ive been a PC builder and gamer for probably 7 or 8 years, I love building gaming PC's. But the PC options for music creation are lacking, new pro tools is a mess. Currently, there is no better way to make music than on a mac. And even after your hours of cracking to run both garage band and logic on a pc, they still wont work together.

Aso for anyone claiming games dont run well in bootcamp, are full of @#$% and have never actually used it. My Windows partition runs games exactly as a powerful gaming machine would. Crysis 3 maxed out at 30fps on a 27inch 1440p display is perfect.

I didn't get scammed, I did my research. A screen like this alone costs around 400-500 bucks and the components inside are equal to roughly an 800$ PC or maybe a little more. Did I pay about 500 for a mac logo? Yes, but that Mac logo means nothing to me. I paid ther extra money to make my music the way I wanted it to be, to have a powerful computer with a great screen, and to know if I have any problems I take a 10 min drive to the apple store and dont need to wait 2 weeks with no computer while I RMA each individual part.

Honestly, they aren't as bad as some people on here make them out to be...though you could have gotten WAAAAY more bang for your buck if you went the PC route. chrisrooR

I know. I build PC's.

You guys are really hilarious because no one reads what I write, they just respond with BS. I dont just want garage band....I also want Logic Pro and for both programs to work flawlessly together.

Im assuming very few people here make music, as I have been making music for a while and used about 10 different programs for recording and mastering. Nothing is better that Logic IMO, it was the reason I bought my Mac.

Crypt_mx

if you're happy with your purchase then that's all that matters. i've been using Cubase for production for well over ten years. i personally much prefer it to Logic, mainly because its what i'm used to. i tried logic for six months about three years ago (and spent a few months with it last year) but it just wasn't for me. i could do in one click with Cubase what took me three clicks in Logic and click conservation is important ;)

i'm not sure why you'd use ten different programs for recording and mastering on the pc though? there's plenty of pc software out there that can do both jobs. as i'm sure you'll know, the key thing isn't necessarily which DAW you use, its how good your hearing is, how good your plugins / hardware is and how well you know how to use them

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="FamilyGuyFan507"]

I gotta disagree with you. The notion that Alienware is garbage is ridiculous. I have had mine for months and it is reliable, sturdy, incredibly fast, efficient and a beast at gaming. It performs better than all my friends who have ridiculous gaming set ups, and mine is a laptop. I can't say I agree. But then again, people judge those for having a Ferrari, when they can't ever have one, most can't afford an Alienware, but pick on those who can. Regardless, we are entitled to our opinions.

Gammit10