If GTA V Is anything Like IV...

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#51 UpInFlames
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I will always buy GTA for the console and that hurts to say, but it was poorly optimized.9mmSpliff

I played Grand Theft Auto III on PS2 and San Andreas on Xbox and I had to get both on PC later on. I just couldn't stand the controls of the console versions. I could've gotten Grand Theft Auto IV for 360, but I waited for the PC version and I wouldn't change it for anything. It doesn't run any worse than the console versions and it has superior graphics (also greater traffic density which really adds to the realism factor) and controls + video editor (I made some pretty cool videos with it) + the awesome Independence FM.

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#52 StrawberryHill
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I didn't have problems with the game. I understand that the game was problematic on non-quad pcs, which kind of sucked for a lot of gamers. But, eh...I liked the game.

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#53 JohnF111
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Dude, the game was so insanely huge that not every aspect of it can be tested and fixed atleast not in a lifetime as short as a games.I agree, better testing, more optomization and for the love of god bring back the fun features that made SA such a better game.
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#54 Resistance_Kid
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Just made this a few hours ago. Here is a video of me playing GTA IV on my computer.

I recorded with FRAPS, so naturally I got a decrease in frame rate, but it remained playable throughout the video.

Although you WILL see lag 3-4 times throughout the vid, that is just me toggling a feature my laptop has called Turbo-Drive, which boosts my processors clock rate to 2.7GHZ, but reduces frame rate to 9 for a few seconds(hence the lag).

[spoiler] Watch in HD! ;) [/spoiler]

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#55 GameFan1983
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I don't know wtf is your problem TC, but this game runs butter smooth for me and rest other PC gamers at max setting. This game simply looks great and runs great.

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#56 arto1223
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I never had any issues with the performance with GTA IV. I have a Q9550 and a GTX 260. Not the most powerful rig, but I had no issues.

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#57 GameFan1983
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[QUOTE="HeavenIceDay"]

[QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

Your maths are a little off for a starters, to max GTA 4 out at 1280 x 960 you need at least 1.2gbs of Vram and I am interested to hear what you think a mainstream card is if you think one can max it out and still get playable framerates. I have a Quad + GTX260 and the game is unplayable (sub 10fps) with settings maxxed at 1280 x 960.

Now of course you are not going to believe me and claim there is something wrong with my machine (despite the fact I play all games at 2048 x 1152 maxxed out except GTA 4). So here it is from Rockstar Toronto tech support whom are on record as saying you need a fast i7 + 2 x GTX 480's :-

[quote="Rockstar Toronto"]We tested similar settings on a fast core I7 with 2 GTX 480's in SLI and seeing a pretty consistant 30fps. The hardware to run this game at FULL MAX settings at 60 fps does not yet exist but the game is coded such that when it does it will take full advantage.Resistance_Kid

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The game was a horrible port and GTA 4 deserves all the bashing it gets the game runs horribly on pretty much all hardare. It was clear from the start the game was a mess, when it was first released many couldn't even run the game at all on decent hardware.

Now for those that want to know what the console settings are, we have some of them :-

Resolution = 1280 x 720 @ 30fps

Texture Quality = Medium

Reflection Quality = Medium

Shadow Quality = High

Render Quality = Low

View Distance = 21

Detail Distance = 10

Vehicle Density = 33

Night Shadows = Does not exist on the console

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This settings have changed since patch 1.0.7.0 when Rockstar completely reworked the shadows. I tried the console equivalent settings on my Quad + GTX260 and I barely get above 30fps for most of the time and see dips below 30fps at console settings it really is a horribly optimised port.

As to whether I will bother with the next GTA after the mess that was GTA 4. Well firstly there will be another GTA on the PC, the PC version sold incredibly well in European territories. I don't know if I will bother with another GTA on the PC myself, I am sick of this "release it on the console first and then the PC a year later" crap and the whole attitude Rockstar has towards PC gaming is just plain insulting. I will see what they do with the next GTA on the PC before deciding but if they don't pick up their game on the PC then they won't see my money.

I can play the game fine on my rig with everything on high, water very high. View Distance 25, Detail distance 35, Vehicle Density 100, night shadows off at 1920 x 1080.

I get 38 fps in the BOGT benchmark (It runs better most of the time ingame) and 62 fps in GTA 4 and 55 in TLAD.

Maxed out means everything on very high, View Distance and Detail distance on 100, and night shadows on high ;)

still runs great, my last rig was able to max this game out at decent 35ish fps.

it's not rockstar, it's just you and other stingy geeks need to aware of what game requires what system.

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#59 osan0
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GTA4 gets way too much smacking about for its port. yes it could have been better (and credit to R* for sticking with it and improving it...there PC support is much better than GTAs on the PC last gen). i think a few things happened. 1) i think alot of people under estimate the kinds of demands this game puts on hardware. yes it runs on the console but it does so in a heavily compromised and, by PC standards, bad state. theres a doc published by R* that explains the settings needed to match the console version and there very modest compared to what the PC version can do. 2) i think many egos were hurt. kinda related to point 1....i think alot of people thought "yea its a console port..my rig should max it out easily" and when they couldnt the first thing to pop into their head was "oh its a dreadful port". ive been guily of this myself in the past. R* did make a few mistakes. the installation is a very bloaty mess and there was a load of extra fluff needed for the game (most of which has now been removed). they also didnt give people enough control over settings (again mostly rectified now). they also commited a cardinal sin...they tried to tell PC gamers what their PC could do by limiting settings to how much video ram you had. although there was an easy workaround..telling PC gamers what their PC can and cant do is a really bad idea. and it was a bit buggy and unoptimised.....but to the extent some claim. imho GTA4 is in many ways a proper PC port and i wish more devs took a leaf out of R*s book. most devs now just make a direct port of their console game in terms of tech and visuals. even bioware are guilty of this..ME2 on the PC is not a big improvement over the 360 version. R* could have easily done the same...just given a few basic options and just package the console textures over and call it a day....but they didnt. they went the extra mile...they pushed the tech. they wrote more ambitous shadow systems that would test the PCs finest hardware for example. they upped the texture detail and they let PC players go nuts with the settings and they also made the game very scalable. thats a proper PC port in many respects and i love that they did that. i know i will be waiting for a PC version of GTa5 and i hope they do the same. just keep the bug count down R* :).
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#60 jupsto
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gt4 is the worst port ever made. its also a very overated drab game. I dont know why I wasted £30-40 on that ****. I'm generally against pirating, but no way am I buying a PC game off rockstar again. this is probably why they didn't release red dead on PC.

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#61 DanielDust
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gt4 is the worst port ever made. its also a very overated drab game. I dont know why I wasted £30-40 on that ****. I'm generally against pirating, but no way am I buying a PC game off rockstar again. this is probably why they didn't release red dead on PC.

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You clearly have little experience with PC gaming if you think that's the worst port.
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#62 Resistance_Kid
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I don't know wtf is your problem TC, but this game runs butter smooth for me and rest other PC gamers at max setting. This game simply looks great and runs great.

GameFan1983

Speak for yourself... Seriously. You're confusing GTA IV with something else if you claim that you can max it out, know what kind of hardware you need for that?

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#63 True_Sounds
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[QUOTE="GameFan1983"]

I don't know wtf is your problem TC, but this game runs butter smooth for me and rest other PC gamers at max setting. This game simply looks great and runs great.

Resistance_Kid

Speak for yourself... Seriously. You're confusing GTA IV with something else if you claim that you can max it out, know what kind of hardware you need for that?

we've already gone over what "maxing out" means. everything has already been stated in this thread, now you are just repeating yourself over and over.

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#64 BPOilExecutive
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...Then I will never buy from Rockstar again. By that I mean optimization, it's just ridiculous.

Constant framerate drops, constant stuttering, constant bugs and glitches, it's just impossible to appreciate the game when there's so many problems with the port.

GTA IV is the only game I've had problems with playing on the higher settings, and these are major, major problems.

Resistance_Kid
OK.. GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, and GTA IV all ran perfectly for me. Maybe it's not Rockstar and it's your **** rig.
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#65 Resistance_Kid
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[QUOTE="Resistance_Kid"]

...Then I will never buy from Rockstar again. By that I mean optimization, it's just ridiculous.

Constant framerate drops, constant stuttering, constant bugs and glitches, it's just impossible to appreciate the game when there's so many problems with the port.

GTA IV is the only game I've had problems with playing on the higher settings, and these are major, major problems.

BPOilExecutive

OK.. GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, and GTA IV all ran perfectly for me. Maybe it's not Rockstar and it's your **** rig.

Maybe you should go troll somewhere else. GTA IV is a bad port, deny it all you want, it's a fact. I've never had any problems with any game up till now.

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#66 Cdscottie
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[QUOTE="kris9031998"][QUOTE="xboxmad12"]

Try it on a consle then tell me Gta4 sucks

KhanhAgE
Still does......RDR was MUCH better,

So you thought GTA IV sucked... period? ... okay.

I wouldn't say that GTA IV sucked but it was by far the worst GTA of the 3D series.....It isn't as bad as GTA: London but we can easily push that under a rug. Why may you ask? Well GTA 4 brought in a bunch of features to give better immersions and go closer to a real life experience. The problem is this killed a lot of the fun aspects of the game that were present in previous iterations. My biggest beef with the game is it's driving mechanics. Sure, I don't expect to be able to drive a sedan like a Corvette but for the love of god don't make it feel like I'm driving a brick....a brick that wants to hit indestructible lamp posts. Also add in the "friend" missions in where you have to interrupt your main quests to help an friend enjoy a visit to the strip club or go bowling.. Add in the cops that you can outrun in 5 seconds and it creates a game that is trying to be grittier at the sacrifice of fun.
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#67 Cdscottie
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[QUOTE="BPOilExecutive"][QUOTE="Resistance_Kid"]

...Then I will never buy from Rockstar again. By that I mean optimization, it's just ridiculous.

Constant framerate drops, constant stuttering, constant bugs and glitches, it's just impossible to appreciate the game when there's so many problems with the port.

GTA IV is the only game I've had problems with playing on the higher settings, and these are major, major problems.

Resistance_Kid

OK.. GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, and GTA IV all ran perfectly for me. Maybe it's not Rockstar and it's your **** rig.

Maybe you should go troll somewhere else. GTA IV is a bad port, deny it all you want, it's a fact. I've never had any problems with any game up till now.

Don't worry about him. Everyone is aware that GTA 4 can run great on one system and then run absolutely horrible on another system with similar hardware. I know that my GF's system had a ton of issues with GTA 4 while mine ran pretty smooth. The only difference she had versus myself was a 4850.
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#68 Resistance_Kid
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[QUOTE="Resistance_Kid"]

[QUOTE="BPOilExecutive"] OK.. GTA 3, Vice City, San Andreas, and GTA IV all ran perfectly for me. Maybe it's not Rockstar and it's your **** rig.Cdscottie

Maybe you should go troll somewhere else. GTA IV is a bad port, deny it all you want, it's a fact. I've never had any problems with any game up till now.

Don't worry about him. Everyone is aware that GTA 4 can run great on one system and then run absolutely horrible on another system with similar hardware. I know that my GF's system had a ton of issues with GTA 4 while mine ran pretty smooth. The only difference she had versus myself was a 4850.

Thanks for backing me up :)

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#69 dakan45
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Random framerate drops, undless crap patching, constant stuttering with no reason and it looks bad even on the highest settings, this game needs AA. Even the game itself is not much, its much smaller than gta sa, smaller maps, features, vehicles, weapons, story length. Worse characters story and music. Missions are deathborring and its reallistic wanna be gameplay is mostly borring rather challenging or particulary fun, it just limits what can be put into the game to make it more fun. If the next one is like that, i will stay away. Especially if they decide to launch again with pointless things like social club and windows live that crash/have issues, all the time.
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#70 shakmaster13
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I find 25 FPS playable at high resolutions with everything maxed so I'm good.

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#71 rmfd341
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The latest patches managed to screw my performance, the best I had was with the 1.3 patch...
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[QUOTE="GameFan1983"]

I don't know wtf is your problem TC, but this game runs butter smooth for me and rest other PC gamers at max setting. This game simply looks great and runs great.

Resistance_Kid

Speak for yourself... Seriously. You're confusing GTA IV with something else if you claim that you can max it out, know what kind of hardware you need for that?

Again it's not the best port and your hardware is not nearly top of the line.. infact its rather outdated now. The 4670... not a good card.