I'm sick of "family" servers in M rated games.

Have you ever played an M rated game like CoD4 of Halo or any online game and joined a server that claimed to be "Family" or "Christain"? They always have rules like no swearing and stuff like that, when the back of the box lists language as one of the reasons why it earned the M rating. They say stuff like "Parents don't want their children to be exposed to fould language and stuff", while they are playing a game with killing in it! Or you know, how about this- it's an M rated game so if the parents really cared what their kids were exposed to, they wouldn't be letting them play this game in the first place. It's not that I like to swear a lot in games or anything, but occassionally I will, as most people do I think. I mean if a server does have no bad language rule, I can tolerate it, but then one CoD4 server I joined actually banned the word "noob" and claimed it was offensive language. That's taking it a little too far I think, and by a little, I really mean way way way too far. I just think it's a complete hypocritical move to make a family server in an M rated game, especially if Language is on the back of the box for the reasons. Again, like I said, if a parent is actually letting their kids play M rated games, they aren't exactly too involved in their children's "protection" anyway.

They pay for their servers so as far as I can tell, they are free to run them anyway they want.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

Their servers - their rules. Just as it would be if it were your house - your rules.

Doesnt matter if it sounds dumb or arbitrary, thats simply what they want and they dont need to justify it to anyone.

well i think it should be considered more carefully. like if your playing say gear of war on a dedicated server that storngly believes in no swearing, etc. then u have to raise a few eyebrows but say in a dedicated server for say cs team fortress 1 or 2 u need to take their reasoning more seriously. its a matter of the games subject matter vs the logical reasons for the rules they have. its like comparing the rules of an army barracks vs the rules at home its case specific and cant apply to oneanother (very well).

Their servers - their rules. Just as it would be if it were your house - your rules.

Doesnt matter if it sounds dumb or arbitrary, thats simply what they want and they dont need to justify it to anyone.

XaosII

They pay for their servers so as far as I can tell, they are free to run them anyway they want.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

Have you ever played an M rated game like CoD4 of Halo or any online game and joined a server that claimed to be "Family" or "Christain"? They always have rules like no swearing and stuff like that, when the back of the box lists language as one of the reasons why it earned the M rating. They say stuff like "Parents don't want their children to be exposed to fould language and stuff", while they are playing a game with killing in it! Or you know, how about this- it's an M rated game so if the parents really cared what their kids were exposed to, they wouldn't be letting them play this game in the first place. It's not that I like to swear a lot in games or anything, but occassionally I will, as most people do I think. I mean if a server does have no bad language rule, I can tolerate it, but then one CoD4 server I joined actually banned the word "noob" and claimed it was offensive language. That's taking it a little too far I think, and by a little, I really mean way way way too far. I just think it's a complete hypocritical move to make a family server in an M rated game, especially if Language is on the back of the box for the reasons. Again, like I said, if a parent is actually letting their kids play M rated games, they aren't exactly too involved in their children's "protection" anyway.

Armalite1016

Their servers, their kids, their rules. Work on your impulse control and maybe you won't get banned. I'm an ex-Marine and even I can go a few hours without swearing.

Is "noob" too far? Depends... chances are they banned more than swearing, they also banned insults, which noob is an insult.

Although I may think that they're kindof ironic, I don't let them bother me too much.

I played on a Christian server in CS:S and was politely asked not to type, "wtf". I was pretty boggled by the request, but finished playing on the server and just never went back to it. You don't see em that much anyway and if you do, just avoid them if they bother ya.

i think we are all familiar with "Game experience may change during online play."

They pay for their servers so as far as I can tell, they are free to run them anyway they want.the_ChEeSe_mAn2

The point is the hypocritical nature of their rules. "Don't swear, but use stylised violence to murder people." PErsonally I've never run into these servers, but I know the types of people. It's everyday parents. "Oh I don't want my child exposed to sex; here honey, go play this ridiculously violent video game instead." Or worse yet when they buy the game and THEN get shocked that it's violent.

I don't think it's all that hypocritical/unacceptable. Shooting people in a game is just that--shooting people in a game. It's not actually happening. It's a game. Cussing out someone in a game is really and truly cussing someone out. It's actually happening. There is the fictional representation on the one hand, whereas there is no way to "pretend" to use offensive language.

Not that profanity bothers me overmuch personally unless it is used so often and loosely that it looses all meaning and becomes merely tacky and annoying.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]They pay for their servers so as far as I can tell, they are free to run them anyway they want.DigitalExile

The point is the hypocritical nature of their rules. "Don't swear, but use stylised violence to murder people." PErsonally I've never run into these servers, but I know the types of people. It's everyday parents. "Oh I don't want my child exposed to sex; here honey, go play this ridiculously violent video game instead." Or worse yet when they buy the game and THEN get shocked that it's violent.

"Family Servers" I don't really mind. "Christian Servers" make me laugh my ass off because i can see some priest sitting there playing Cod4 and saying "Now now, No cussing children" over vent or something. So hypocritical its hilarious.

But really, they're annoying but they're paying for the server so they can do whatever they want.

"Family Servers" I don't really mind. "Christian Servers" make me laugh my ass off because i can see some priest sitting there playing Cod4 and saying "Now now, No cussing children" over vent or something. So hypocritical its hilarious.

But really, they're annoying but they're paying for the server so they can do whatever they want.

MechanicalSpork

You do know what Christians volunteer to join the military more than any one else, right? That CoD isn't GTA. Oh, and the priest in our unit did tell me to not swear once. Didn't help that it was during his service in the field. Funny he didn't like people swearing but smoking cigars was OK.

I'm sick of "family" servers in M rated games.Armalite1016

I've never come accross any of those servers but personally I think it's great. I personally don't care if people swear, but for others it's a big thing and a point of frustration. Hats off to them for making servers that fits their preferences instead of trying to force their preferences on everyone else who's playing the game.

I agree that it shouldnt be an excuse to let underage kids play M rated games but there's plenty of mature people who finds cussing a lot more offensive than I would.

As for the people talking about how they'll go into those servers and be as vulgar as possible, how are you any better than christian groups trying to ban games based on the language used in those games?

If you don't like the rules of the servers have a little respect for people of a diffrent oppinion and just stay away. It's not like there's any shortage of servers with 14 year olds more than eager to practice their 'vocabulary'

how are you any better than christian groups trying to ban games based on the language used in those games?

Mazoch

We're no hyprocrites.

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]They pay for their servers so as far as I can tell, they are free to run them anyway they want.DigitalExile

The point is the hypocritical nature of their rules. "Don't swear, but use stylised violence to murder people." PErsonally I've never run into these servers, but I know the types of people. It's everyday parents. "Oh I don't want my child exposed to sex; here honey, go play this ridiculously violent video game instead." Or worse yet when they buy the game and THEN get shocked that it's violent.

[QUOTE="DigitalExile"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]They pay for their servers so as far as I can tell, they are free to run them anyway they want.guynamedbilly

The point is the hypocritical nature of their rules. "Don't swear, but use stylised violence to murder people." PErsonally I've never run into these servers, but I know the types of people. It's everyday parents. "Oh I don't want my child exposed to sex; here honey, go play this ridiculously violent video game instead." Or worse yet when they buy the game and THEN get shocked that it's violent.

Though I agree that it's pointless over protection, the argument could easily be made that the violence is not real, but the language is...

I do agree with most everyone else and have no problem with them renting/hosting servers and making their own rules. It's a free country and they are entitled to it...even if it doesn't make any sense what-so-ever lol.

You can always enter the server and express your opinion. Most likely it will get you kicked/banned but it is your right to express your opinion and it's not a server you would likely play on anyways. Ignorance is bliss with most people on these servers. Like someone else stated, you can't swear but you can shoot people in the face...as long as it's in the Lords name.

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"][QUOTE="DigitalExile"]That's not the point here.

The point is the hypocritical nature of their rules. "Don't swear, but use stylised violence to murder people." PErsonally I've never run into these servers, but I know the types of people. It's everyday parents. "Oh I don't want my child exposed to sex; here honey, go play this ridiculously violent video game instead." Or worse yet when they buy the game and THEN get shocked that it's violent.

dnuggs40

Though I agree that it's pointless over protection, the argument could easily be made that the violence is not real, but the language is...

I do agree with most everyone else and have no problem with them renting/hosting servers and making their own rules. It's a free country and they are entitled to it...even if it doesn't make any sense what-so-ever lol.

The same action has completely different meaning based on INTENTION. Shooting some random person on the street like GTAis murder and the game glorifies that aspect of life. Games like COD is about good versus evil (although that is also perspective). The INTENTION behind killing those people is to stop the evil mass consuming innocent countries or people. If anything, it is glorifying self-sacrifice.

Addition: proper parents spend the time to explain this to their children and put things into perspective for them. I can see explaining this to my kids when it comes to CoD but not other games that are just stupid violent against innocent people.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

Though I agree that it's pointless over protection, the argument could easily be made that the violence is not real, but the language is...weirjf

I do agree with most everyone else and have no problem with them renting/hosting servers and making their own rules. It's a free country and they are entitled to it...even if it doesn't make any sense what-so-ever lol.

The same action has completely different meaning based on INTENTION. Shooting some random person on the street like GTAis murder and the game glorifies that aspect of life. Games like COD is about good versus evil (although that is also perspective). The INTENTION behind killing those people is to stop the evil mass consuming innocent countries or people. If anything, it is glorifying self-sacrifice.

Only if you play on the allies side (someone has to play on the other team right?). At any rate, you are still playing a game based on killing for ones enjoyment. It's not a history lesson, or a illustration of war for the sake of teaching people against violence...it's a game and it's primary function is entertainment. There is no getting around this.

The way of getting around it is by explaining it in a way that your kids understand. (keeping in mind, that average parent isn't going to have their 4 year old playing these games. We're talking 12+ years old most of the time)

Or... is Jack Thompson 100% correct? Someone in here want to admit that? Do the kiddies in here with a complete lack of impulse control over their mouths want to admit that the ultimate evil of gaming, Jack Thompson, is correct and video games are making our youth face-shooting murderers? That it is damaging them? Someone?

Sorry for the quote mutiliation, the forums are being retarded.

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LOL, Don't like the way they run their servers? then get out! It's as simple as that. And people who use the word noobie are so lame. They are obviously trying to insult people with it and it doesn't work. Everyone was a noobie at one point. I am 52 and been playing games since the 70's so for the most part most are noobies from my perspective. So quit trying to be an A-Hole by calling people noobies and get back to game playing!! :)

The way of getting around it is by explaining it in a way that your kids understand. (keeping in mind, that average parent isn't going to have their 4 year old playing these games. We're talking 12+ years old most of the time)

Or... is Jack Thompson 100% correct? Someone in here want to admit that? Do the kiddies in here with a complete lack of impulse control over their mouths want to admit that the ultimate evil of gaming, Jack Thompson, is correct and video games are making our youth face-shooting murderers? That it is damaging them? Someone?

Sorry for the quote mutiliation, the forums are being retarded.

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weirjf

Christian servers? I guess its some sort of evil ploy to get you in there and use subliminal messaging,fry your brain with tedious scripture.Poor Christians,they must be getting desperate.Anyway these people pay for their servers so like others said,they can do what the hell they like and it shouldnt concern you.

[QUOTE="weirjf"]

The way of getting around it is by explaining it in a way that your kids understand. (keeping in mind, that average parent isn't going to have their 4 year old playing these games. We're talking 12+ years old most of the time)

Or... is Jack Thompson 100% correct? Someone in here want to admit that? Do the kiddies in here with a complete lack of impulse control over their mouths want to admit that the ultimate evil of gaming, Jack Thompson, is correct and video games are making our youth face-shooting murderers? That it is damaging them? Someone?

Sorry for the quote mutiliation, the forums are being retarded.

edited again to put spaces back in because of forum retardation

dnuggs40

But they don't do that, and if they did... yes that would be hypocritical. The popular example in this post is COD, which I don't even so much as see or notice blood let alone limbs flying off or anything at all graphic. If I know that my kid can handle that level of intensity with a level of maturity because we take the time to discuss it, then I am fine with them playing the game.

Do I want some foul-mouth puke swearing and throwing out insultsin voice and chat the entire time? No, I would really prefer that my kid notget the impression that this is appropriate behavior. I'd rather teach them good sportsmanship. I'd rather they learn "GG" rather than "F-U stupid noob! lolz!"

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="weirjf"]

The way of getting around it is by explaining it in a way that your kids understand. (keeping in mind, that average parent isn't going to have their 4 year old playing these games. We're talking 12+ years old most of the time)

Or... is Jack Thompson 100% correct? Someone in here want to admit that? Do the kiddies in here with a complete lack of impulse control over their mouths want to admit that the ultimate evil of gaming, Jack Thompson, is correct and video games are making our youth face-shooting murderers? That it is damaging them? Someone?

Sorry for the quote mutiliation, the forums are being retarded.

edited again to put spaces back in because of forum retardation

weirjf

But they don't do that, and if they did... yes that would be hypocritical. The popular example in this post is COD, which I don't even so much as see or notice blood let along limbs flying off or anything at all graphic. If I know that my kid can handle that level of intensity with a level of maturity because we take the time to discuss it, then I am fine with them playing the game.

Do I want some foul-mouth puke swearing and throwing out insultsin voice and chat the entire time? No, I would really prefer that my kid get the impression that this is appropriate behavior. I'd rather teach them good sportsmanship. I'd rather they learn "GG" rather than "F-U stupid noob! lolz!"

[QUOTE="weirjf"]

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"] I am not saying games with a focus on killing make people into murderers...or that they even make kids violent. I am just pointing out the inconsistency of those servers and the people who run them. It's kinda like editing the movie "Natural Born Killers" of all curse words but keeping in the drugs, murder, and sex then calling it the "Christian Version" hehe. I agree with you regarding teaching kids the difference...that goes without saying and applies to any form of media (books, movies, tv, ect). dnuggs40

But they don't do that, and if they did... yes that would be hypocritical. The popular example in this post is COD, which I don't even so much as see or notice blood let along limbs flying off or anything at all graphic. If I know that my kid can handle that level of intensity with a level of maturity because we take the time to discuss it, then I am fine with them playing the game.

Do I want some foul-mouth puke swearing and throwing out insultsin voice and chat the entire time? No, I would really prefer that my kid get the impression that this is appropriate behavior. I'd rather teach them good sportsmanship. I'd rather they learn "GG" rather than "F-U stupid noob! lolz!"

So because I think that shooting your enemy in war time and in self defenseis OK that I should let my kid walk around the house being profane or that I should walk around the house being profane or allow guests in my houseto be profane? I've been to war and what you see in games likeCoD isn't even a shadow of what the real thing shows or does to you. It isn't even close to what you see on the history channel. When you shoot someone in CoD and their head comes apart like an over-ripe melon, you let me know and I'll tell my kid to stop playing it. Until then, CoD is more akin to a Civil War reenactment where people lie down when shot than the real thing.

oh geeze, I better take him out of paintball too...

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"][QUOTE="weirjf"]

But they don't do that, and if they did... yes that would be hypocritical. The popular example in this post is COD, which I don't even so much as see or notice blood let along limbs flying off or anything at all graphic. If I know that my kid can handle that level of intensity with a level of maturity because we take the time to discuss it, then I am fine with them playing the game.

Do I want some foul-mouth puke swearing and throwing out insultsin voice and chat the entire time? No, I would really prefer that my kid get the impression that this is appropriate behavior. I'd rather teach them good sportsmanship. I'd rather they learn "GG" rather than "F-U stupid noob! lolz!"

weirjf

So because I think that shooting your enemy in war time and in self defenseis OK that I should let my kid walk around the house being profane or that I should walk around the house being profane or allow guests in my houseto be profane? I've been to war and what you see in games likeCoD isn't even a shadow of what the real thing shows or does to you. It isn't even close to what you see on the history channel. When you shoot someone in CoD and their head comes apart like an over-ripe melon, you let me know and I'll tell my kid to stop playing it. Until then, CoD is more akin to a Civil War reenactment where people lie down when shot than the real thing.

oh geeze, I better take him out of paintball too...

I have been to war too, but that has no bearing on anything. I am not claiming war games simulate real war. And in COD, there are two sides, not one. The fact is, it is a game that simulates killing. If you are taking an approach to gaming that profanity is bad, allowing simulated killing is hypocritical. Regarding the history channel, that medium is more educational and informative, while gaming is purely entertainment.

Also, COD4 has profanity built in to the game anyways lol:

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/c/callofduty4modernwarfare/

Blood and Gore

Intense Violence

Strong Language

Honestly that kind of server takes a stance that really doesn't make any sense at all. If it was a "good sportsmanship server" I there would be consistency...but a "family" or even worse "christian" server? No sense at all...

What next?...Christian Porn Servers?.......Hahahaha

I have to honestly ask why are you sick of "family" servers that you are in no way obliged to participate in? Do you really have nothing better to do with your time? It's not like there aren't another 1,000 servers you could be playing on.

And why are people hypocrites for letting kids play on these? Because they aren't applying "your" standard that video game violence is as bad as cursing? Ever stop to think that maybe they aren't applying that standard, but actually have their own standard that has nothing to do with how you think they should do things?Some M rated games have online play that has no M rated content. You fire pixels and polygons that destroy other pixels and polygons, it's no worse then playing with water guns, it's pretend for crying out loud.

I love the irony that you're complaining how you don't like that they have standardsthat are different then yours, yet you're on here complaining how their standards aren't set high enough for themselves.

The game has strong language in it lol. Sorry, the reasoning doesn't hold up. Anyways, just to be clear, I don't care about these servers one way or another. If somebody wants to protect their kids from cursing while allowing them to play a game with graphic violence and cursing in the game itself (lol)...they can have at it.

I don't think there is any harm in it at all.

[QUOTE="Avenger1324"]But if the reason they don't want swearing is because their kids are playing, then surely they should be looking at the age rating of the game and not letting their kids play it in the first place. Doesn't matter if they pay for the server - they are still in the wrong for letting their underage kids play. If parents bought cigarettes for their underage kids then they would be breaking the law. Yet buying films and games for underage kids is perfectly OK :?guynamedbilly