Important Dragon Age 2 quotation you may not have seen!

Who hasn't read this yet?! Hopefully this quote will put an end to this mindless bloodshed between the People's Republic, the Senate and Bioware!

Another change – and this might be the biggest – is that only the PC version will retain Origins' "strategic combat". The console versions will feature a new combat system, one BioWare says plays to the strength of the control pad. "Rather than try to mimic the PC experience on consoles," the GI report states, "Dragon Age II has a battle system more tailored to the strengths of the PS3 and 360."

I blame that 80s kung fu video someone released on DA2 with exploding ninjas!

Have people also forgotten what a valuable recycling company Bioware are?!

Who hasn't read this yet?! Hopefully this quote will put an end to this mindless bloodshed between the People's Republic, the Senate and Bioware!

Another change – and this might be the biggest – is that only the PC version will retain Origins' "strategic combat". The console versions will feature a new combat system, one BioWare says plays to the strength of the control pad. "Rather than try to mimic the PC experience on consoles," the GI report states, "Dragon Age II has a battle system more tailored to the strengths of the PS3 and 360."

I blame that 80s kung fu video someone released on DA2 with exploding ninjas!

Have people also forgotten what a valuable recycling company Bioware are?!

We know this.

I'm just worried how the actual role playing and characters.

Look, the game isn't even out, but it looks like PC gamers will get an action game that plays like a turn based RPG. I mean they can keep the isometric camera and traditional combat, but are you forgetting the cRPG elements, which they uncloudedly dumbed down. I expect a Mass Effect kind of thing where you have two-three abilities to use, no inventory, ect...GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Look, the game isn't even out, but it looks like PC gamers will get an action game that plays like a turn based RPG. I mean they can keep the isometric camera and traditional combat, but are you forgetting the cRPG elements, which they uncloudedly dumbed down. I expect a Mass Effect kind of thing where you have two-three abilities to use, no inventory, ect...Prexxus

[QUOTE="Prexxus"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Look, the game isn't even out, but it looks like PC gamers will get an action game that plays like a turn based RPG. I mean they can keep the isometric camera and traditional combat, but are you forgetting the cRPG elements, which they uncloudedly dumbed down. I expect a Mass Effect kind of thing where you have two-three abilities to use, no inventory, ect...GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="Prexxus"] Where the hell are you pulling those delusions out of? Prexxus

[QUOTE="Prexxus"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Bioware said they are making DA II more like ME2, because apparently that sells better. Because ME 2 was dumbed down, i expect DA II to be dumbed down as much if not more.GeneralShowzer

This goes for games like Dungeon Siege 3 as well where the Xbox 360/PS3 controllers severely limits the spells/abilities that tie into the combat aspect. In a Dungeon Siege 3 interview, the lead designer said that they had to map 3 spells/abilities to one stance, and in total there were 3 stances. So if you wanted to use a certain ability or spell, you would have to switch stances. Each stance being a different stance of course, defense, offense, etc.

[QUOTE="Prexxus"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]Look, the game isn't even out, but it looks like PC gamers will get an action game that plays like a turn based RPG. I mean they can keep the isometric camera and traditional combat, but are you forgetting the cRPG elements, which they uncloudedly dumbed down. I expect a Mass Effect kind of thing where you have two-three abilities to use, no inventory, ect...GeneralShowzer

We know this.

I'm just worried how the actual role playing and characters.

JangoWuzHere

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Bioware said they are making DA II more like ME2, because apparently that sells better. Because ME 2 was dumbed down, i expect DA II to be dumbed down as much if not more.GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"] Ohh please ohhh wise one can I have a link to this?! (I tried asking nicely see!) biggest_loser

Like I said in the other thread, take a look at this list compiled by a user at the BioWare forum. Scroll down to Combat/Gameplay and notice the following:

"Combat on the PC should be largely the same. [GameInformer article]"

"There is a tactical camera in the PC version, which is similar to the one in Origins [1up Article]"

These are completely cited and even approved by devs and stickied to the top of the DA2 forum.

LINK

Edit: Also note the link you provided about no isometric camera is 2 months old. The thread I have linked is currently active and updated.

Look, the game isn't even out, but it looks like PC gamers will get an action game that plays like a turn based RPG. I mean they can keep the isometric camera and traditional combat, but are you forgetting the cRPG elements, which they uncloudedly dumbed down. I expect a Mass Effect kind of thing where you have two-three abilities to use, no inventory, ect...GeneralShowzer

Good evening General:

The first link: they're changing the dialogue tree so that you have a greater understanding of the tone. Nothing wrong with that, adding some more colour to the presentation of the dialogue really. And the rest is about importing the save and the combat.

The second link has been proven as outdated.

And you have no source for the other "quotes".

Good day.

Well BioWare does recycle for sure when it comes to their stories, Defend the World from an Ancient evil.

Well BioWare does recycle for sure when it comes to their stories, Defend the World from an Ancient evil.

ventnor

[QUOTE="ventnor"]

Well BioWare does recycle for sure when it comes to their stories, Defend the World from an Ancient evil.

Planeforger

Good evening General:

The first link: they're changing the dialogue tree so that you have a greater understanding of the tone. Nothing wrong with that, adding some more colour to the presentation of the dialogue really. And the rest is about importing the save and the combat.

The second link has been proven as outdated.

And you have no source for the other "quotes".

Good day.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Good evening General:

The first link: they're changing the dialogue tree so that you have a greater understanding of the tone. Nothing wrong with that, adding some more colour to the presentation of the dialogue really. And the rest is about importing the save and the combat.

The second link has been proven as outdated.

And you have no source for the other "quotes".

Good day.

Prexxus

What about the dumbed down combat, and cRPG elements? And don't tell me that it will be just like Origins, because that is simply not true.

And how is it a good thing not being able to chose a race, with specific abilities to each race? How is it a good thing to not be able to see what you say, instead good answers are marked blue and evil answers red.

Good evening General:

The first link: they're changing the dialogue tree so that you have a greater understanding of the tone. Nothing wrong with that, adding some more colour to the presentation of the dialogue really. And the rest is about importing the save and the combat.

The second link has been proven as outdated.

And you have no source for the other "quotes".

Good day.

biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]

Good evening General:

The first link: they're changing the dialogue tree so that you have a greater understanding of the tone. Nothing wrong with that, adding some more colour to the presentation of the dialogue really. And the rest is about importing the save and the combat.

The second link has been proven as outdated.

And you have no source for the other "quotes".

Good day.

SkyWard20

[QUOTE="Prexxus"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] So Bioware are making it more like Mass Effect. Am i wrong? So what if it's outdated. It doesn't make it not true, this is the official stance of Bioware, console games sell more and we're going with the current. It just takes one look at DA II to see what it has become, but no it's too much for you blind fanboys.GeneralShowzer

What about the dumbed down combat, and cRPG elements? And don't tell me that it will be just like Origins, because that is simply not true.

And how is it a good thing not being able to chose a race, with specific abilities to each race? How is it a good thing to not be able to see what you say, instead good answers are marked blue and evil answers red.

GeneralShowzer

You have no proof that the combat will be dumbed down - at least we have proven quotes from Bioware saying its going to be the same. The only change that relates it Mass Effect is the dialogue wheel, which is to add more character instead of having the lines rather blandly laid out in front of you.

Yea well ME2 had clases too and spells too right? Did it look or play like an RPG? Not really...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1108058p1.html

Have you read this?

Different attacks are mapped to the X, Y, and B buttons of your controller (we were playing on an Xbox 360). Hawk, the hero of the game, had a typical sword swipe mapped to X, a thrust mapped to Y, and a twirl that would take down all the enemies around him mapped to B. By holding the right trigger you can access a second set of attacks, so it seems you'll have six moves available to you at a time. Each move has a recharge time, so you can't just keep mashing the X button to chop through enemies.

How can you people not realise that it will not be a core turn based RPG , but an action title. My God..It's pointless to argue now and i have better things to do, wait untill they release a PC gameplay video and you will see.

Yea well ME2 had clases too and spells too right? Did it look or play like an RPG? Not really...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1108058p1.html

Have you read this?

Different attacks are mapped to the X, Y, and B buttons of your controller (we were playing on an Xbox 360). Hawk, the hero of the game, had a typical sword swipe mapped to X, a thrust mapped to Y, and a twirl that would take down all the enemies around him mapped to B. By holding the right trigger you can access a second set of attacks, so it seems you'll have six moves available to you at a time. Each move has a recharge time, so you can't just keep mashing the X button to chop through enemies.

How can you people not realise that it will not be a core turn based RPG , but an action title. My God..It's pointless to argue now and i have better things to do, wait untill they release a PC gameplay video and you will see.

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

Yea well ME2 had clases too and spells too right? Did it look or play like an RPG? Not really...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/110/1108058p1.html

Have you read this?

Different attacks are mapped to the X, Y, and B buttons of your controller (we were playing on an Xbox 360). Hawk, the hero of the game, had a typical sword swipe mapped to X, a thrust mapped to Y, and a twirl that would take down all the enemies around him mapped to B. By holding the right trigger you can access a second set of attacks, so it seems you'll have six moves available to you at a time. Each move has a recharge time, so you can't just keep mashing the X button to chop through enemies.

How can you people not realise that it will not be a core turn based RPG , but an action title. My God..It's pointless to argue now and i have better things to do, wait untill they release a PC gameplay video and you will see.

Prexxus

DA:O wasn't turn-based combat. It was real-time with a pause option. HUGE difference. Fallout 1 & 2, The Wizardry games, ToEE, etc. are turn-based and DA:O isn't. Dragon Age's combat, although not nearly as good or as engaging, was similar to BG, Icewind Dale, etc. The ability to pause does not make a game turn-based.

DA:O wasn't turn-based combat. It was real-time with a pause option. HUGE difference. Fallout 1 & 2, The Wizardry games, ToEE, etc. are turn-based and DA:O isn't. Dragon Age's combat, although not nearly as good or as engaging, was similar to BG, Icewind Dale, etc. The ability to pause does not make a game turn-based.

-wildflower-

[QUOTE="Prexxus"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] Oh lord not this again >.> forget it I'm done talking to this monkey

DA:O wasn't turn-based combat. It was real-time with a pause option. HUGE difference. Fallout 1 & 2, The Wizardry games, ToEE, etc. are turn-based and DA:O isn't. Dragon Age's combat, although not nearly as good or as engaging, was similar to BG, Icewind Dale, etc. The ability to pause does not make a game turn-based.

General, is that a modern Fallout avatar?

Or is it Metro?

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

DA:O wasn't turn-based combat. It was real-time with a pause option. HUGE difference. Fallout 1 & 2, The Wizardry games, ToEE, etc. are turn-based and DA:O isn't. Dragon Age's combat, although not nearly as good or as engaging, was similar to BG, Icewind Dale, etc. The ability to pause does not make a game turn-based.

That's laughable at best and pathetic at its worst. Methinks some people should stick to playing console games. I now see why Bioware is going for the, "press a button and something awsome happens," route. Today's ADHD, Xbox generation, can't be bothered to actually think and use tactics in their RPGs. Just give them something shiny and their happy. Durrr....Mongo like shiny...durr....

General, is that a modern Fallout avatar?

Or is it Metro?

Baranga

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

DA:O wasn't turn-based combat. It was real-time with a pause option. HUGE difference. Fallout 1 & 2, The Wizardry games, ToEE, etc. are turn-based and DA:O isn't. Dragon Age's combat, although not nearly as good or as engaging, was similar to BG, Icewind Dale, etc. The ability to pause does not make a game turn-based.

-wildflower-

That's laughable at best and pathetic at its worst. Methinks some people should stick to playing console games. I now see why Bioware is going for the, "press a button and something awsome happens," route. Today's ADHD, Xbox generation, can't be bothered to actually think and use tactics in their RPGs. Just give them something shiny and their happy. Durrr....Mongo like shiny...durr....

You know, FUN? What console gamers tend to have that retrogamers forgot about. FUN!

Fallout 3 blows the other Fallout games out of the water when it comes to gameplay.

That's true, except the part where you say a bunch of old games have better combat than a RPG released in 2009, which is ridiculous. The only reason people play old games anymore is because of the roleplaying aspect and the story. The combat system in old RPG's is piss-poor compared to modern ones.SkyWard20

Wow...you're serious, aren't you? :|

Dragon Age's combat didn't have half of the complexity or variety that, say, your beloved Bioware's BG2 had. It was a poor imitation of DnD rules, with a far smaller number of professions and party members (meaning less tactical combat), far more basic enemies (none of the basic enemies required strategies - unlike BG2's almost-unkillable trolls, or foes who were only susceptible to particular damage types, etc), less skills (turn undead would have been invaluable during DAO), less interesting spells (when did we ever need to magically protect party members, or set up contingency spells, or do anything interesting at all with magic?) and a weaker damage-calculating system.

Say what you like about Dragon Age's other qualities, but the combat system is in no way "better" than that of the old Infinity Engine RPGs (and that's not even mentioning Temple of Elemental Evil). It's more accessible for people who don't understand DnD rules, yes, but it lacks a lot of what made the old RPGs' combat great.

Oh, not to mention the fact that DAO's combat looked ridiculous, with the litres of blood showering everything after every swing - even for minor hits. Not to mention all of the shuffling around on the battlefield.

*edit* And no, BG2 never required you to be smart to play it, but it sure as hell was more fun for those who liked tactics and strategy.

Also, for the record, Fallout 3's combat was shallow and dull. It got boring after the third time you shot a dude's head off, since the entire game consisted of "Enter VATS. Click on the head multiple times. Repeat.". Fallout 1 and 2 were miles better.

Lets wait for the game to come out and see for our selves ?

But im just being silly i guess , what would become from forum if there was no raging fanboys who are speculating things that may or may not be .

You're telling me you find Fallout 1's combat system, for example, fun? It's mediocre at best by today's standarts. Games are NOT like movies, or wine. And I feel the need to say what Yahtzee once said: call me stupid but I'd rather have FUN than get bored out of my enormous brain.

You know, FUN? What console gamers tend to have that retrogamers forgot about. FUN!

Fallout 3 blows the other Fallout games out of the water when it comes to gameplay.SkyWard20

You do realize of course that "FUN" is completely relative, right? Your fun does not equal my fun and, obviously, the opposite holds true too. Fallout 1's combat was in its infancy but, yeah, I'd still take its tactical approach over the button mashing combat in today's so-called RPGs. ToEE, in my opinion, has the perfect combat model for a RPG. It's deep, complex and extremely tactical. It's the logical evolution of the Fallout system and it was nearly perfect.

On an side note, I also prefer turn-based strategy games like HoMM, Age of Wonders, CiV, etc. over RTS games. I guess don't understand how twitch game-play is inherently more fun than complex. tactical game-play. I must have missed that memo.

And, hahahah, Fallout 3 blows away Fallout 1 and 2...truly clueless...

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]That's true, except the part where you say a bunch of old games have better combat than a RPG released in 2009, which is ridiculous. The only reason people play old games anymore is because of the roleplaying aspect and the story. The combat system in old RPG's is piss-poor compared to modern ones.Planeforger

Wow...you're serious, aren't you? :|

Dragon Age's combat didn't have half of the complexity or variety that, say, your beloved Bioware's BG2 had. It was a poor imitation of DnD rules, with a far small number of professions and party members (meaning less tactical combat), far more basic enemies (none of the basic enemies required strategies - unlike BG2's almost-unkillable trolls, or foes who were only susceptible to particular damage types, etc), less skills (turn undead would have been invaluable during DAO), less interesting spells (when did we ever need to shield part members) and a weaker damage-calculating system.

Say what you like about Dragon Age's other qualities, but the combat system is in no way "better" than that of the old Infinity Engine RPGs (and that's not even mentioning Temple of Elemental Evil). It's more accessible for people who don't understand DnD rules, yes, but it lacks a lot of what made the old RPGs' combat great.

Oh, not to mention the fact that DAO's combat looked ridiculous, with the litres of blood showering everything after every swing - even for minor hits. Not to mention all of the shuffling around on the battlefield.

*edit* And no, BG2 never required you to be smart to play it, but it sure as hell was more fun for those who liked tactics and strategy.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]You're telling me you find Fallout 1's combat system, for example, fun? It's mediocre at best by today's standarts. Games are NOT like movies, or wine. And I feel the need to say what Yahtzee once said: call me stupid but I'd rather have FUN than get bored out of my enormous brain.

You know, FUN? What console gamers tend to have that retrogamers forgot about. FUN!

Fallout 3 blows the other Fallout games out of the water when it comes to gameplay.-wildflower-

You do realize of course that "FUN" is completely relative, right? Your fun does not equal my fun and, obviously, the opposite holds true too. Fallout 1's combat was in its infancy but, yeah, I'd still take its tactical approach over the button mashing combat in today's so-called RPGs. ToEE, in my opinion, has the perfect combat model for a RPG. It's deep, complex and extremely tactical. It's the logical evolution of the Fallout system and it was nearly perfect.

On an side note, I also prefer turn-based strategy games like HoMM, Age of Wonders, CiV, etc. over RTS games. I guess don't understand how twitch game-play is inherently more fun than complex. tactical game-play. I must have missed that memo.

And, hahahah, Fallout 3 blows away Fallout 1 and 2...truly clueless...

I haven't played BG 2 yet, so I can't really comment, but I've played a bit of Baldur's Gate 1 & like I said, the combat was mediocre when compared to modern RPG's. Needing to rest at the inn after you use two spells on your first enemy is Welcome to Lamesville - Home of the forgotten Combat System. Having to reload every time your party member dies is Return to Lamesville - Haven for the Outdated. I won't even mention the poor attack animations, because that's common for the games made back then, but the animations and slightly over the top blood-letting in Dragon Age: Origins felt quite satisfying, at least for me. When I wanted to steal something at the beginning of the game by playing a thief, I got killed by a single guard. wtf... That's just not fun, especially at the beginning of the game. It's just unnecessarily complicated, why would modern games want to do that again? To make a game so needlessly complicated in modern times would be Back to the Lamesville - Reach for the broken Gameplay Ideas.SkyWard20

Oh I completely agree with you there - Baldurs Gate 1's low-level adventuring made everything extremely tedious, which is why I would never really include it into these discussions. You should check out Baldurs Gate 2 or possibly even Icewind Dale (which also starts off at low levels and is very difficult, but your characters become pretty hardy as the game goes along), which were miles better. You'll have a lot more spells and you can more easily res teammates for starters.

And seriously, your untrained thief attacked a guard and died...what did you expect? Level-scaled enemies? :P

For that matter, death should be a pretty major thing in games. Having your fallen party members pick themselves up after a battle kinda takes the risk out of fighting.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

Also, for the record, Fallout 3's combat was shallow and dull. It got boring after the third time you shot a dude's head off, since the entire game consisted of "Enter VATS. Click on the head multiple times. Repeat.". Fallout 1 and 2 were miles better.

Planeforger

I've yet to finish it, but did your character even have any special abilities?SkyWard20

Do you count 'being able to shoot out people's eyes from the other side of the map. at night.' as a special ability? :P

Yeah, I'm probably in the minority but I actually take that as a compliment. I'm quite content not being part of the frat-boy-jock-Justin Bieber-Michael Bay demographic that most modern RPG developers are currently pandering to.

If we dumb it down - they will come...