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#1 mc_conor
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But with a different skin.

Look at this resident evil, i know it's a spin off but it's basically gears of war with a resident evil skin.

http://uk.gamespot.com/resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city/videos/gamespot-plays-resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city-6346097?tag=topslot;title;4

BF3 has lost it's flair and each iteration after 2142 is blurring the line closer the all the other generic FPS's.

Consoles are ruining innovation and gaming in general.

Remember the first Rainbow 6 on PC? Now look at it.... it's got cover elements and dumbed down for small children so that publishers and casual gamers are pleased as it appeals to the masses.

Popularity of gaming over the past decade is actually it's achilles heel. Development costs mean that they are severely restricted in what they can experiment with.

So in ten years time you'll be purchasing exactly the same bland game mechanics the only difference will be the theme and game name.

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#2 nd5000
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I thought we were supposed to have flying cars and hoverboards by now. What's up with that, 'sees into the future man?'

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#4 mc_conor
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Just look at how games have retarded over the past 10 years. If your only 15 i suppose you can't but...

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#5 KalDurenik
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You are wrong for one reason on "EVERY" and that reason is indie devs. Unless you are only talking about the big mainstream dev teams...
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#6 SKaREO
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Consoles are ruining innovation and gaming in general. [...] Popularity of gaming over the past decade is actually it's achilles heel.mc_conor
I've quoted the key to the problem in the PC gaming industry right now. PC gaming used to be exclusive to only the most nerdy of computer geeks. Now, everyone's a gamer. Hell, my 52 year old neighbor plays farmville and she's considered a key demographic now.

The industry has been overrun by chimps in suits. They have little interest in the gamers or the games they make. Proof can be seen in their callous disposition toward gamers. The fact that they don't take risks anymore, and just copy what was already successful before. The pursuit for profit is stifiling innovation and freedom of choice. We don't even own the games we play anymore, and now a forum ban means you lose access to your games too. They take away your voice and your freedom to own the product. This draconic display of negligence is unacceptable, and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles and only spend my money on indie development studios. This is the only way to make a change in the industry, vote with your wallets.
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#7 nd5000
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Just look at how games have retarded over the past 10 years. If your only 15 i suppose you can't but...

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OPs first reply is an insult. Nice one.

Go blog it.

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#8 mc_conor
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Of course i'm talking about the mainstream games. Indie titles are the only room i can see for new concepts in gaming.

But I miss the days of operation flashpoint, ghost recon, rainbow six, system shock, grim fandango , command and conquer etc.

Even look at zelda now, it's stagnated as they do not wish to change the formula.

The only game which truly wows me today is arma 2.

Of course if you are 15 you will not understand this. The rot of reduced complexity and innovation had already begun to set in about 10 years ago.

The only hope is that these next gen consoles get released a-sap so we can start pushing the limits of hardware again, and get rid of the same game engines and mechanics.

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This draconic display of negligence is unacceptable, and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles and only spend my money on indie development studios. This is the only way to make a change in the industry, vote with your wallets.SKaREO

Yeah you show those damn developers you mean business!

God, this is such a stupid attitude. "Yeah, you keep making those games for 2-3 years each and I'm still going to play them, but for free! Take that capitalists!"

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#10 LordRork
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Personally, I can't wait for Call of Assassin's Creed Galaxy: Twilight Effect.

The business responds to the market. While gamers buy every CoD in their millions, the publishers will attempt to sell more. In short, get people buying something else and they'll sell that something else more (until we all get jaded about that...etc.)

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#11 mc_conor
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If COD was actually a good game then there wouldn't be so much hatred. It was excellent in the first and second in the series. Good in MW then the rest were just cash cows.

It's game engine is based off a heavily modded version of Quake 3 Arena, that's like what 10 years old.

The general population are idiots. Why does Justin Beiber sell so well or any one of the generic rappers? Same goes with COD now.

Children who whine for their mommy's to buy them cod because all their friends have it and casual gamers who hear about it on the news and how much it sells makes them interested and want to try it.

It's perpetual motion in action, to negative effect because now the publishers stipulate that all other games must not deviate from this "winning formula".

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But with a different skin.

Look at this resident evil, i know it's a spin off but it's basically gears of war with a resident evil skin.

http://uk.gamespot.com/resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city/videos/gamespot-plays-resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city-6346097?tag=topslot;title;4

BF3 has lost it's flair and each iteration after 2142 is blurring the line closer the all the other generic FPS's.

Consoles are ruining innovation and gaming in general.

Remember the first Rainbow 6 on PC? Now look at it.... it's got cover elements and dumbed down for small children so that publishers and casual gamers are pleased as it appeals to the masses.

Popularity of gaming over the past decade is actually it's achilles heel. Development costs mean that they are severely restricted in what they can experiment with.

So in ten years time you'll be purchasing exactly the same bland game mechanics the only difference will be the theme and game name.

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mc_conor

I stopped reading when u blamed consoles for this...

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[QUOTE="SKaREO"] This draconic display of negligence is unacceptable, and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles and only spend my money on indie development studios. This is the only way to make a change in the industry, vote with your wallets.KleptoZ

Yeah you show those damn developers you mean business!

God, this is such a stupid attitude. "Yeah, you keep making those games for 2-3 years each and I'm still going to play them, but for free! Take that capitalists!"

Ignore these ignorant people. They think piracy is going to solve the issue.
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#14 Renevent42
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I'm not 15 (twice that age) and disagree with you completely.
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[QUOTE="SKaREO"] This draconic display of negligence is unacceptable, and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles and only spend my money on indie development studios. This is the only way to make a change in the industry, vote with your wallets.KleptoZ

Yeah you show those damn developers you mean business!

God, this is such a stupid attitude. "Yeah, you keep making those games for 2-3 years each and I'm still going to play them, but for free! Take that capitalists!"

It's a stupid attitude to accept the unacceptable, and chastise others who want nothing more to do with it. I don't have a problem with the games, nor the employees who create them. If money is being poured into indie game development, more innovation will surely rise. If we keep paying the capatalists, then our games will continue to be generic copies of 10 year old crap. It's time to start voting with your wallets, that's the only way these greedy corporations are going to stop and listen to us.
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#16 Jacanuk
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But with a different skin.

Look at this resident evil, i know it's a spin off but it's basically gears of war with a resident evil skin.

http://uk.gamespot.com/resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city/videos/gamespot-plays-resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city-6346097?tag=topslot;title;4

BF3 has lost it's flair and each iteration after 2142 is blurring the line closer the all the other generic FPS's.

Consoles are ruining innovation and gaming in general.

Remember the first Rainbow 6 on PC? Now look at it.... it's got cover elements and dumbed down for small children so that publishers and casual gamers are pleased as it appeals to the masses.

Popularity of gaming over the past decade is actually it's achilles heel. Development costs mean that they are severely restricted in what they can experiment with.

So in ten years time you'll be purchasing exactly the same bland game mechanics the only difference will be the theme and game name.

Opinions?

mc_conor
Only opinion is that your wrong in so many ways its not possible to mention it here without using so much space that Gamespot would have to get 5 new forums :D
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[QUOTE="KleptoZ"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"] This draconic display of negligence is unacceptable, and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles and only spend my money on indie development studios. This is the only way to make a change in the industry, vote with your wallets.SKaREO

Yeah you show those damn developers you mean business!

God, this is such a stupid attitude. "Yeah, you keep making those games for 2-3 years each and I'm still going to play them, but for free! Take that capitalists!"

It's a stupid attitude to accept the unacceptable, and chastise others who want nothing more to do with it. I don't have a problem with the games, nor the employees who create them. If money is being poured into indie game development, more innovation will surely rise. If we keep paying the capatalists, then our games will continue to be generic copies of 10 year old crap. It's time to start voting with your wallets, that's the only way these greedy corporations are going to stop and listen to us.

Voting with ur wallet and piracy are 2 completely different things.


Don't contradict yourself..

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#18 mc_conor
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How am i qrong then explain.......

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#19 SKaREO
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[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="KleptoZ"]

Yeah you show those damn developers you mean business!

God, this is such a stupid attitude. "Yeah, you keep making those games for 2-3 years each and I'm still going to play them, but for free! Take that capitalists!"

FelipeInside

It's a stupid attitude to accept the unacceptable, and chastise others who want nothing more to do with it. I don't have a problem with the games, nor the employees who create them. If money is being poured into indie game development, more innovation will surely rise. If we keep paying the capatalists, then our games will continue to be generic copies of 10 year old crap. It's time to start voting with your wallets, that's the only way these greedy corporations are going to stop and listen to us.

Voting with ur wallet and piracy are 2 completely different things.


Don't contradict yourself..

Don't know where you fit piracy into there. Voting with your wallet is a term attached to boycotting a product, service or firm. I'm saying, I won't buy EA games again. I didn't say I won't be playing them. Whether I borrow a copy of a game from my friend or download it online is really of no concern.
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#20 simardbrad
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Voting with ur wallet and piracy are 2 completely different things.


Don't contradict yourself..

FelipeInside

Are they?

Both ways, nobody pays money for the product.

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#21 FelipeInside
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You are BOTH wrong. Even if nobody pays for the money.... one thing is to pirate a game and another is to boycott a game by NOT purchasing it.

Not Purchasing/Not Pirating: this tells the developer the game is just not good enough to be purchased. So next time they try harder to make it a better product.

Pirating: this just gives the developer the right excuse to not develop the game anymore for PC, blaming the lack of sales on pirated copies.

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#22 FelipeInside
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[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"] It's a stupid attitude to accept the unacceptable, and chastise others who want nothing more to do with it. I don't have a problem with the games, nor the employees who create them. If money is being poured into indie game development, more innovation will surely rise. If we keep paying the capatalists, then our games will continue to be generic copies of 10 year old crap. It's time to start voting with your wallets, that's the only way these greedy corporations are going to stop and listen to us.SKaREO

Voting with ur wallet and piracy are 2 completely different things.


Don't contradict yourself..

Don't know where you fit piracy into there. Voting with your wallet is a term attached to boycotting a product, service or firm. I'm saying, I won't buy EA games again. I didn't say I won't be playing them. Whether I borrow a copy of a game from my friend or download it online is really of no concern.

"and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles" your words not mine....

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I stopped reading at "consoles are ruining innovation", consoles have had some amazing innovating titles, and lately some of the games have been outstanding...
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[QUOTE="KleptoZ"]

[QUOTE="SKaREO"] This draconic display of negligence is unacceptable, and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles and only spend my money on indie development studios. This is the only way to make a change in the industry, vote with your wallets.FelipeInside

Yeah you show those damn developers you mean business!

God, this is such a stupid attitude. "Yeah, you keep making those games for 2-3 years each and I'm still going to play them, but for free! Take that capitalists!"

Ignore these ignorant people. They think piracy is going to solve the issue.

Piracy will not fix the issue, but it is also truthful to say it is not causing the issue either. Lazy Devs/publishers and quick cash grabs have hurt the gaming industry (especially pc gaming) way more than piracy ever has!

It is true that consoles are not to blame, it is the devs/publishers that follow the path of least resistance to the most amount of profit, that just happends to be through consoles!

Thanks to Digital Distribution, we have the rise of the Indie Developer! Which now are free to develop and get their games on platforms for literally fractions of the cost to make physical retail media! The number of Indie Developers will only increase from here, which means so will the indie games! I can think of 2 indie titles that I absolutely loved, and several more that I am waiting to.

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#25 C_Rule
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Just look at how games have retarded over the past 10 years. If your only 15 i suppose you can't but...

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I don't think 'retarded' is a verb...
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#27 mc_conor
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I don't really care.

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#28 mc_conor
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The reasons consoles are limiting games is because:

1. The console life cycle. This gen is dragging on. hardware limitations have been evident for quite some time now.

2. Due to the popularity of consoles and gaming, and for the typical demographic; everything needs dumbed down for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

I think we will never see games with the depth and difficulty of the original rainbow six again.

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#29 mc_conor
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here is if quake was done today, pretty much sums up games now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

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Those sure are some fuzzy nostalgia goggles you got there.
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#31 Cwagmire21
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Am I crazy to think that while the TC's presentation was poor, the overall message is pretty true? Just look at how successful social gaming has become. As gaming as gone more popular, it has had to been catered more to the masses.

I am still saddened at how the Rainbow 6 series is still considered a "tactical shooter" even though it really hasn't for nearly 10 years. :(

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[QUOTE="mc_conor"]

Just look at how games have retarded over the past 10 years. If your only 15 i suppose you can't but...

C_Rule

I don't think 'retarded' is a verb...

Actually, it can be.

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#33 C_Rule
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[QUOTE="C_Rule"][QUOTE="mc_conor"]

Just look at how games have retarded over the past 10 years. If your only 15 i suppose you can't but...

Cwagmire21

I don't think 'retarded' is a verb...

Actually, it can be.

Yeah, now that I think of it, it can be. But I don't think the OP knew that when he used it.
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You are wrong for one reason on "EVERY" and that reason is indie devs. Unless you are only talking about the big mainstream dev teams...KalDurenik
Indie games are the exception, not the rule, and more often than not resemble traditional platforming games anyway, albiet with some sort of hook.

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#36 Zubinen
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I'd lol at the OP trying to play E.Y.E: Divine Cybermancy or Dwarf Fortress.
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#37 toddx77
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I understand where TP is coming from but to say games will be the same is not accurate. One day when a friend and I were watching the angry video game nerd I mentioned how it was wierd how so many games back then were hard. He said that was because games were still new so no one really knew how to make a game "easy". The people who make games today grew up playing video games so they have changed everything they did not like. So in 10 years games will be different but that doesnt always mean better. Some games will get better while some will not. I do blame a lot of the problems on casual gamers, but there are still developers out there who care for the hardcore crowd.

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E.Y.E: Divine Cybermancy Zubinen
I would have gladly paid more than the 17$ I payed for it. It took me about 2 full play throughs to fully understand everything :P.

As far as games "All being the same in the next 10 years." I can see where he's coming from but I don't think console are to blame. If people want and buy a certain product eventually the original producers and their competition is going to go after that target audience. Look at the reviews for E.Y.E.

Not too many people want to spend 5hrs figuring out a story, let alone not fully being told how to use talents/perks. It shows in the reviews. It sucks, and that "If Quake was done today" vid is true and sad :lol:.

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I agree with the sentiment of the thread. Games these days are very similar to each other. But I don't think that consoles are the reason for that. It's that video gaming as a whole has become mainstream. And because it is now a mainstream market developers, publishers, etc. are trying to appeal to the mass audience. Not just a select few. In the past there were many more diverse games that appealed to each video game niche, since each niche was more or less pulling in the same amount of business. Now with the popularity of FPS and MMORPG and the sheer amount of potential business (money) video game developers can make, they will (like Hollywood) try to make games that will be a sure thing at the box office.
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#40 mc_conor
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C_Rule - love how your attempt to be a pretentious **** failed.

I was trying to convey a message not write a thesis. Are the gamespot forums renowned for its literary works... no.

And zubinen no i have not played those two games. The main genres I played extensively over the years are fps and adventure, OFP, R6, System Shock, Myst, Normality. Grim Fandango etc. Of course i play other genres but not with the same intesity.

Obviously my post is not literal i was trying to convey a message that all games are becoming more and more similar and are blurring the line between genres and stifling that creativity and complexity that made me so enthralled with gaming in the first place.

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#41 Lach0121
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C_Rule - love how your attempt to be a pretentious **** failed.

I was trying to convey a message not write a thesis. Are the gamespot forums renowned for its literary works... no.

And zubinen no i have not played those two games. The main genres I played extensively over the years are fps and adventure, OFP, R6, System Shock, Myst, Normality. Grim Fandango etc. Of course i play other genres but not with the same intesity.

Obviously my post is not literal i was trying to convey a message that all games are becoming more and more similar and are blurring the line between genres and stifling that creativity and complexity that made me so enthralled with gaming in the first place.

mc_conor

I must point out that just like us humans, The more and more of us there are on the planet the more the line gets blurred about how different people look.

The fact that there are an ever increasing number of videogames (not just in number but also the an increasing number that you have played) then it is INEVITABLE for that line to get blurry! Quantity is just as much to blame as quality!

Oh and on the entitled generation discussion below, I must say this as well. MANY generation(S) before this one have thought they were entitled. (It sparks theft yes, but it also sparks revolution too!) Look at history, and tell me those generations didn't suffer from MASSIVE entitlement issues! This generation is no different, there are just more people on the planet, which also lends to more people having the means, and acting on it as well. The feeling of entitlement is one of the things that led us to where we are today with this Global Economy!

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You are BOTH wrong. Even if nobody pays for the money.... one thing is to pirate a game and another is to boycott a game by NOT purchasing it.

Not Purchasing/Not Pirating: this tells the developer the game is just not good enough to be purchased. So next time they try harder to make it a better product.

Pirating: this just gives the developer the right excuse to not develop the game anymore for PC, blaming the lack of sales on pirated copies.

FelipeInside

well nobody plays pirated games online. If they tell you they do they are lying plain and simple. the reason most developers went to the consoles is to make singleplayers. so ya we can say multiplayers for sure at least are taking steps backwards. especially fps shooters. that is until ea dice made the move to consoles. I have to disagree with the op and insist that ea dice is still pushing innovation, especially with graphics technology with frostbite 1 and 2.

i mean we had bf2, so maybe nothing truly new for us......In fact bf3 is still missing some features from bf2......but the game play is still innovation for console gamers man. they've never experienced what we pc guys have experienced in the past. Especially when it comes to online multiplayers and communities man. They just started getting into what we did 10 years before when gta4 got popular. console players never experienced a conquest game mode, or an mp with more then 12 players, a fully destructible big free map full 3d interative enviornment with vehicles!

EA Dice has the only game thats strictly dx10/11 man. well besides that new need for speed game coming out.. but I mean when it comes to a full 3d enviornment to move freely in first person. bf3 is amazing. so they are pushing graphics innovations on pcs'.......the only company in the world doing that right now. and they are pushing new gameplay experiences on console users. they are the only real company in the industry right now doing either...So you def can't put them in the same category.

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#43 Renevent42
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"well nobody plays pirated games online. If they tell you they do they are lying plain and simple" Either that or you are sorely misinformed. Tons of pirated games are played online...including MMO's like WoW which have tons of private servers. Pirates use tools like Hamachi to create lobbies for more traditional online games and build communities around it as well. I'm not an advocate of piracy though, so don't get the wrong impression. In fact, I think piracy does have a negative effect and the people who do it are wrong...especially the ones that try and moralize it. The fact is, tons of people play pirated games online though.
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#44 cooloutac
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"well nobody plays pirated games online. If they tell you they do they are lying plain and simple" Either that or you are sorely misinformed. Tons of pirated games are played online...including MMO's like WoW which have tons of private servers. Pirates use tools like Hamachi to create lobbies for more traditional online games and build communities around it as well. I'm not an advocate of piracy though, so don't get the wrong impression. In fact, I think piracy does have a negative effect and the people who do it are wrong...especially the ones that try and moralize it. The fact is, tons of people play pirated games online though.Renevent42
WoW would be the only example you can use. and that is only on emulated servers. noone is pirating wow and playing on blizzard servers dude. the experience on a buggy unfair emulated server is not even worth it dude... and i stand by my original statement. Your just sorely naive.... noone is playing on blizzard servers with a pirated wow game.

when the emulated servers first came out there were some real good popular ones that weren't as glitchy. but blizzard shut them all down dude. all the top servers.... the ones now are even more glitchy then the first ones....less people.....and not even worth it. I'm serious.... like glitched up, crashing etc.... not worth it man.

and thats because they can't get on a blizzard server with a pirated game. Only singleplayers are pirated and played dude.

try to come up with another game now besides wow. NAME ME ANOTHER GAME that is pirated and played online dude..... yes i've used hamachi for tiger woods pga tour 2008. after they shut down their severs. but you are connecting to people over the interent in lan mode dude. noone is connecting to an ea server dude.... and again. I dont' even bother not a good experience... not fun or even worth it. not enough people.

PIRACY ONLY AFFECTS singleplayer games.... the only game anyone can come up with to try to debate this...is with wow. but as i explained its not what you think. But the thing about most pc users. Is we only want to play mutliplayers... thats what i've always thought pcs should be for. Console players are the one who like to play singleplayers. Even if we couldn't pirate SP games..... most of us wouldn't buy them anyways. we want to play multiplayers like bf3..... and trust me noone is gonna pirate bf3 and play on an EA server....lmao

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Obviously my post is not literal i was trying to convey a message that all games are becoming more and more similar and are blurring the line between genres and stifling that creativity and complexity that made me so enthralled with gaming in the first place.mc_conor
I don't know, on consoles maybe, but on PC there are tons of niche games that are doing great, I mean we're in the middle of what can practically be called the indie boom. Gaming has never been about complexity unless you're playing a game of Chessmaster, and even then, you'd be far better off simply doing proof based mathematics as that certainly requires far more of an individual than any game can. Part of it is also that games in the past were simply poorly designed due to development budgets being much smaller, the point of having internal testing is to see how one can make a game accessible to everyone and that's not necessarily a flaw, but rather a strength, the idea is to include the newbies and hardcore players as well as everyone in between.
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#46 cooloutac
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[QUOTE="mc_conor"]Obviously my post is not literal i was trying to convey a message that all games are becoming more and more similar and are blurring the line between genres and stifling that creativity and complexity that made me so enthralled with gaming in the first place.Zubinen
I don't know, on consoles maybe, but on PC there are tons of niche games that are doing great, I mean we're in the middle of what can practically be called the indie boom. Gaming has never been about complexity unless you're playing a game of Chessmaster, and even then, you'd be far better off simply doing proof based mathematics as that certainly requires far more of an individual than any game can. Part of it is also that games in the past were simply poorly designed due to development budgets being much smaller, the point of having internal testing is to see how one can make a game accessible to everyone and that's not necessarily a flaw, but rather a strength, the idea is to include the newbies and hardcore players as well as everyone in between.

the thing is.. people spend over 1000 dollars on their pc for graphic innovation man. If you think graphics dont' matter your naive. they would buy consoles then and save tons of money.... And if its true that it takes so much more development costs and man hours to develop games for modern technology, then I dont' see how indie games are gonna make an impact. unless its some amazing sporty multiplayer that comes out. because most of the pro video games don't have great graphics... for example, SC2, CS 1.6, LoL....etc.... the only time graphics don't matter as much, is if its a mutliplayer. and if the graphics cost too much money for an indie company... then they better start trying make money off e-sportlike games, as their only chance. gameplay and fair and competitive matches would be their only selling points then. Cause trust me the only reason to spend so much money on a pc.... is for new age graphics.

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#47 Mazoch
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But with a different skin.

Look at this resident evil, i know it's a spin off but it's basically gears of war with a resident evil skin.

http://uk.gamespot.com/resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city/videos/gamespot-plays-resident-evil-operation-raccoon-city-6346097?tag=topslot;title;4

BF3 has lost it's flair and each iteration after 2142 is blurring the line closer the all the other generic FPS's.

Consoles are ruining innovation and gaming in general.

Remember the first Rainbow 6 on PC? Now look at it.... it's got cover elements and dumbed down for small children so that publishers and casual gamers are pleased as it appeals to the masses.

Popularity of gaming over the past decade is actually it's achilles heel. Development costs mean that they are severely restricted in what they can experiment with.

So in ten years time you'll be purchasing exactly the same bland game mechanics the only difference will be the theme and game name.

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mc_conor

I disagree with your general premise. While you are correct in that a lot of games tries so very hard to milk the concepts that came before them, that not actually anything new. If you were a PC Gamer at the time, remember how many 'Doom clones' we saw flooding the market after doom become a massive hit? Remember all that half baked sloppy RTS's that came out after C&C1 and WarCraft 2 brought the genre to a broader audience?

What we're seeing is nothing new, it's always been like this, not just when it comes to computer games, but also with music and movies.

The biggest most talked about titles are usually the most expensive, the ones with the biggest marketing budget and the ones that represent the biggest monetary investment. As such they are the games that are most likely to be safe and generic in terms of their game design, they are the ones that are most likely to simply emulate what's already worked for another game. Look at BF3, CoD:MW3, SWToR, Diablo 3, Star Craft 2. I'm not saying those are bad games, just that they are expensive, save and generic. They are the mainstream of games.

If you want new experiences, innovation and something different, there's more of that going around than ever before in the games industry. You just have to look for it. Here are a couple of examples from the last couple of years: MineCraft, Dwarven Fortress, Mount and Blade, LA Noire, Magika, EYE, Recetear, RUSE, Mount and Blade, Amnesia. On top of that there's dozens of outstanding games that uses what worked for other games while still doing it's own thing: Witcher 2, TW: Shogun 2: Dark Souls, Deus Ex: HR, Batman: AA and AC, Bastion, Dead Space, STALKER, Mass Effect, X3, Guild Wars, Dead Island.

10 - 15 years from now, there'll be gamers complaining about how games are not what they used to be and point to games like MineCraft, The Wticher 2 and Arma 2 and argue that they just doesn't make 'em like they used to and that if they only had devs innovating like they did back around 2010-2012 then everything would be better.

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[QUOTE="mc_conor"]Consoles are ruining innovation and gaming in general. [...] Popularity of gaming over the past decade is actually it's achilles heel.SKaREO
I've quoted the key to the problem in the PC gaming industry right now. PC gaming used to be exclusive to only the most nerdy of computer geeks. Now, everyone's a gamer. Hell, my 52 year old neighbor plays farmville and she's considered a key demographic now.

The industry has been overrun by chimps in suits. They have little interest in the gamers or the games they make. Proof can be seen in their callous disposition toward gamers. The fact that they don't take risks anymore, and just copy what was already successful before. The pursuit for profit is stifiling innovation and freedom of choice. We don't even own the games we play anymore, and now a forum ban means you lose access to your games too. They take away your voice and your freedom to own the product. This draconic display of negligence is unacceptable, and from now on I'm only going to pirate the big titles and only spend my money on indie development studios. This is the only way to make a change in the industry, vote with your wallets.

If you pirate games, you are committing a felony and I hope you go to prison. If you don't like the direction gaming is going, don't play games. You have absolutely ZERO right to play a game in any fashion if you don't pay for it. By that logic, I don't like the design choices Gucci took with their upcoming 2012 fashion line. I'm going to go steal a few shirts of their and show them who's boss. Pro tip: more piracy will give developers even more of an incentive to target multi-platform, dumbed down, non-PC centered games...so your logic is counter-intuitive.

This mindset is why this new generation will go down historically as the "entitled generation". If I don't like something, I should get it for free. If I can't afford something, I should get it for free. Our grandparents generation would be disgusted.

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#49 Renevent42
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WoW would be the only example you can use. and that is only on emulated servers. cooloutac

Quite simply you are misinformed...people can play tons of pirated games that are played online. Even in the MMO world it's more than WoW too...there's private servers for other MMO's out there, many are very popular. You are plain wrong on this...maybe you just didn't know but these are the facts. If you don't believe me google it yourself.

This mindset is why this new generation will go down historically as the "entitled generation". If I don't like something, I should get it for free. If I can't afford something, I should get it for free. Our grandparents generation would be disgusted.

Bruin1986

Well said man. I don't care what people do that much...I even have a few friends who pirate (and frankly can afford to pay too)...but this moralizing piracy as some kind of right or making it out to be some form of legitimate protest is sad.

If someone told me they pirate but simply don't really care, I would at least respect them more than some person coming up with sorts of excuses as to why their piracy is ok. At least I know the first person has their head screwed on tight...the other dude is living in a fantasy world.

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#50 Krelian-co
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here is if quake was done today, pretty much sums up games now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU

mc_conor

those were the good days were you actually needed skill to kill people instead of camping every corner