intel just wiped amds butt for them

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

So what is Barcelona then, if not the future best product on the market?
A native quadcore chip, with a new architecture that should push it ahead of Core2's performance, it has many innovations(something that cannot be said for most Intel products) and will have a very well designed/engineered calculations/algorithms for drastically reducing power consumption.

While AMD might be behind in nm, since they don't have the money/assests that Intel does, AMD is way ahead on architecture/core design. We won't be seeing a native quadcore from Intel until, at least, 2H '08.

jfelisario

Hey lord, where've you been lately? You've been missing in action in the forums hehe, welcome back. Anyways, all news points out to a spectacular comeback with the barcelona, but AMD has to do more than that to deal with their mounting debt, and its hard to do so as Intel is seemingly going for the jugular with the price war, and the news of penryn being moved forward to a possible q3 2007 launch won't bode well for AMD in regards to the mobile chip sector, so they need to deal with that as well.

Suspended by a very bias Mod for things that didn't even violate the ToS...

Anyways... With OEM's wanting all of AMD's 65nm cards and the HD2900xt offering the performance and features that surpass the 8800GTS at the same price point, AMD will easily comeback from this especially since Barcelona is right around the corner. I can't see Intel getting their 45nm Xeons out before the end of summer, though we might see some desktop Penryn's on the market before the end of '07.

These next 6 months is AMD's time and they will make the best of it.
Hell, I spent the rest of my CD on their stock knowing that they will easily make it back up to the high watermark from about a year ago, so I am ready to double my investment.

Yeah AMD has a tough battle ahead of them this year. They don't have the resources to keep up with Intel. Intel was able to "perfect" (or at least make it a somewhat respectable architecture) NetBurst while working on Conroe. Well, AMD can't manufacture K8 processors and work on a brand new microprocessor architecture without sacrificing valuable progress too both.

If push comes to shove and AMD fails in these coming months. Then a tag team of IBM and AMD wouldn't be too bad. :D

Just a little food for thought for this thread-

Intel market cap = 123.99 BILLION

AMD market cap = 7.67BILLION

Yeah AMD has a tough battle ahead of them this year. They don't have the resources to keep up with Intel. Intel was able to "perfect" (or at least make it a somewhat respectable architecture) NetBurst while working on Conroe. Well, AMD can't manufacture K8 processors and work on a brand new microprocessor architecture without sacrificing valuable progress too both. sykonfc

The thing is... Intel has the resources to make all these small revisions and production process decreases...

AMD basically has to perfect their architecture and go with it for the next few years.

Basically, AMD has to make much larger jumps but not very often. While Intel does a lot smaller steps but does them very quickly. 

Just look at Intel's Barcelona killer! http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52114Staryoshi87

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]Just look at Intel's Barcelona killer! http://www.theonion.com/content/node/52114DirkVDV01

Hence the nickname Chipzilla :lol: 

Just a little food for thought for this thread-

Intel market cap = 123.99 BILLION

AMD market cap = 7.67BILLION

basersx

[QUOTE="Raven55"]If you're a Business Major, you must be flunking. You sound like one of those people who were defecating all over Intel a few months ago before C2D came out. And now that it's popular, you've jumped on the old bandwagon.Staryoshi87

I've been with intel since Pentium 75. If AMD ever released some OMG cpu I'd buy it, but otherwise they can take the bargain bin market. I have a personal vendetta against AMD that transcends all logic, so don't tell me that I shouldn't hate AMD, because I will continue to do so. Step off.

And by the way, being a busines major means nothing until you get out into the real world and use it.  I can't tell you the number of newly graduated business majors i've met in my job who actually know jack squat about how things work in the real world.  I have to agree with other posters that you are embarassing whatever school you are studying at by claiming to be a business major there.  Either the program offered by your school sucks or you haven't been going to ****

[QUOTE="jfelisario"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

So what is Barcelona then, if not the future best product on the market?
A native quadcore chip, with a new architecture that should push it ahead of Core2's performance, it has many innovations(something that cannot be said for most Intel products) and will have a very well designed/engineered calculations/algorithms for drastically reducing power consumption.

While AMD might be behind in nm, since they don't have the money/assests that Intel does, AMD is way ahead on architecture/core design. We won't be seeing a native quadcore from Intel until, at least, 2H '08.

LordEC911

Hey lord, where've you been lately? You've been missing in action in the forums hehe, welcome back. Anyways, all news points out to a spectacular comeback with the barcelona, but AMD has to do more than that to deal with their mounting debt, and its hard to do so as Intel is seemingly going for the jugular with the price war, and the news of penryn being moved forward to a possible q3 2007 launch won't bode well for AMD in regards to the mobile chip sector, so they need to deal with that as well.

Suspended by a very bias Mod for things that didn't even violate the ToS...

Anyways... With OEM's wanting all of AMD's 65nm cards and the HD2900xt offering the performance and features that surpass the 8800GTS at the same price point, AMD will easily comeback from this especially since Barcelona is right around the corner. I can't see Intel getting their 45nm Xeons out before the end of summer, though we might see some desktop Penryn's on the market before the end of '07.

These next 6 months is AMD's time and they will make the best of it.
Hell, I spent the rest of my CD on their stock knowing that they will easily make it back up to the high watermark from about a year ago, so I am ready to double my investment.

I work as a financial advisor, and having loked closely at AMD and Intel stocks, I would be amazed if you see ANY significant growth in AMD stock for a very long time.  There is more chance of losing your investment completely than seeing it double.  I may recommend Intel as a buy right now but both companies have such narrow profit margins that its hard to recommend either one right now.

I work as a financial advisor, and having loked closely at AMD and Intel stocks, I would be amazed if you see ANY significant growth in AMD stock for a very long time. There is more chance of losing your investment completely than seeing it double. I may recommend Intel as a buy right now but both companies have such narrow profit margins that its hard to recommend either one right now.MrMcPeach

Thanks for the tip...

I am currently a business student in ASU's WP Carey school of Business.
While I am not a financial advisor or have any large amount of experience with the stock market, I am well versed in understanding financial documents and have a vast knowledge of the hardware industry.

With AMD releasing a new family of GPUs and a new family of processors, I see very little risk in my investment.
Barcelona will easily bring a lot of the server market share back to the green side, Intel has no native quadcore to fight the Opterons. With AMD planning on shipping 100million 65nm GPUs by the end of the year and with the HD2900xt looking like a great performer with better features, AMD will, most likely, take back the GPU lead.

As for my investment, I bought when it dipped under $13 which adds to the number of shares I bought in 2004. I currently have just shy of 500 shares, my father already sold all of his at the end of 05 which he had for a little more then a year.

Wouldn't it be cool if biker749's posts didn't make you want to napalm his house? Anyway, barcelona will suck, and sure a smaller die id nice, but it shouldn't be your main argument. And even if Barcelona is better than Conroe, at the rate AMD is going the intel octa core will be out along with Bear Lake, DDR3, and PCI-E 2.0imrlybord7

Do you have any idea on what is going on?
Barcelona will give AMD a majority of the server market share. While it may not be a huge success in the desktop market, it will certainly be a major breakthrough and a huge success with servers.
It isn't about it being a smaller die.... it is the fact that it is practically a brand new architecture, faster then Core2, with less transistors meaning less cache, it is a native quadcore design with the ability to have independant clock speeds, volts and with a dynamic AI that can power down cores and clock speeds to save large amounts of power, on the fly, to cope with different situations.

K10 is going to be out, for servers, before the end of Q2 and the desktop variant is following in Q3.
Bearlake isn't slated to release until Q3, DDR3 is a joke until most of the way through '08 and PCI-e 2.0 has nothing to do with processors...  Intel doesn't have a native quadcore to compete with K10 until the 2H '08.

And people say gambling at a card table is risky...I'll take my chance on the turn and the river before trusting a board room full of stuffy dudes in suits.RayvinAzn

Ohhh man, I have had to take a break from poker. Four seperate occasions of getting my money in with the best hand only to get sucked out by hands that shouldn't have even been in...
Simply amazes me how often that happens.
I can't even remember the last time I have won a coinflip hand...
That's poker I suppose.

Anyways, back on topic. This is going to be a very competitive generation, both GPU and CPU. 

Ohhh man, I have had to take a break from poker. Four seperate occasions of getting my money in with the best hand only to get sucked out by hands that shouldn't have even been in...
Simply amazes me how often that happens.
I can't even remember the last time I have won a coinflip hand...
That's poker I suppose.

Anyways, back on topic. This is going to be a very competitive generation, both GPU and CPU.

LordEC911

We were playing down at the Bike yesterday, and both me and my friend got knocked out of the tournament early.

We both pushed in with pocket Aces. I went out first, pocket sevens called me and turned trips. Eric got it real bad though - he got called with pocket nines andthe guy hit a one-card straight on the river.

We both bought in for one rack at the 4-8 table and just started re-raising everything - we even had a nice little contest where whenever we won a pot we ordered a Long Island. Surprisingly, we each walked out with about three racks each. After tournament buy-in, tips, gas money and food it was pretty much a free trip.

Barcelona will give AMD a majority of the server market share. While it may not be a huge success in the desktop market, it will certainly be a major breakthrough and a huge success with servers.LordEC911

Have you seen the AMD flash?
It is a good watch. 

http://multicore.amd.com/us-en/quadcore/ 

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]

[QUOTE="Raven55"]If you're a Business Major, you must be flunking. You sound like one of those people who were defecating all over Intel a few months ago before C2D came out. And now that it's popular, you've jumped on the old bandwagon.MrMcPeach

I've been with intel since Pentium 75. If AMD ever released some OMG cpu I'd buy it, but otherwise they can take the bargain bin market. I have a personal vendetta against AMD that transcends all logic, so don't tell me that I shouldn't hate AMD, because I will continue to do so. Step off.

And by the way, being a busines major means nothing until you get out into the real world and use it. I can't tell you the number of newly graduated business majors i've met in my job who actually know jack squat about how things work in the real world. I have to agree with other posters that you are embarassing whatever school you are studying at by claiming to be a business major there. Either the program offered by your school sucks or you haven't been going to ****

I've seen it. It lagged, though, because it requires a Barcelona for optimal viewing experience =/Staryoshi87

WTF?

I really hope you are joking and or being sarcastic... 

[QUOTE="Staryoshi87"]I've seen it. It lagged, though, because it requires a Barcelona for optimal viewing experience =/LordEC911

WTF?

I really hope you are joking and or being sarcastic... 

You should know I'm joking =D But yeah, I actually have watched it before.

i wrote barcelona is below 3.0 Ghz. At the momen. Am i right?

amd never going down intel better watch out amd 90 nm was kind of cpu for 3 year and now intel has there new 65 nm but  think about  amd on 65 nm bike749

Peryn = 45nm. Dusted.

i wrote barcelona is below 3.0 Ghz. At the momen. Am i right?

Shegevara

Yep, should be similar to Core2Duo clock speeds, though we might see a few of the FX series up over 3ghz. 

[QUOTE="Shegevara"]

i wrote barcelona is below 3.0 Ghz. At the momen. Am i right?

LordEC911

Yep, should be similar to Core2Duo clock speeds, though we might see a few of the FX series up over 3ghz.

the general impression i've picked up thus far is that they'll be more effecient clock-for-clock than the C2Ds, but won't be able to clock as high as easily. if that pans out, it could end up being an athlon xp barton vs. pentium 4b northwood 533fsb battle again. i did watch that flash, btw (my girlfriend laughed through the whole thing and said i'm such a dork :|), and that's exactly the sort of thing i'm thinking AMD needs the big company IT people to see!Makari

I think K10 will have a performance difference from C2D like C2D had against current Athlons, about a 600mhz advantage.

C2D at 2.4ghz is roughly equal to a x2 at 3ghz.
So a C2D at 3.4ghz will be comparable to a K10 at 2.8ghz.

Though we will have to wait and see on the actual numbers.Z
I just like how AMD went with a complteley different way with their logic/core design. They are able to do more with less, which means their chips will be cheaper to make then C2D was, though there probably will be mass production differences in price.

Like I said before, K10 quadcores will not be a huge deal on the desktop market, though the IMC might make a small difference, the main point of a native quadcore design is in the server market, which AMD really needs to win back. 

[QUOTE="Makari"]the general impression i've picked up thus far is that they'll be more effecient clock-for-clock than the C2Ds, but won't be able to clock as high as easily. if that pans out, it could end up being an athlon xp barton vs. pentium 4b northwood 533fsb battle again. i did watch that flash, btw (my girlfriend laughed through the whole thing and said i'm such a dork :|), and that's exactly the sort of thing i'm thinking AMD needs the big company IT people to see!LordEC911

I think K10 will have a performance difference from C2D like C2D had against current Athlons, about a 600mhz advantage.

C2D at 2.4ghz is roughly equal to a x2 at 3ghz.
So a C2D at 3.4ghz will be comparable to a K10 at 2.8ghz.

Though we will have to wait and see on the actual numbers.Z
I just like how AMD went with a complteley different way with their logic/core design. They are able to do more with less, which means their chips will be cheaper to make then C2D was, though there probably will be mass production differences in price.

Like I said before, K10 quadcores will not be a huge deal on the desktop market, though the IMC might make a small difference, the main point of a native quadcore design is in the server market, which AMD really needs to win back.

I'm assuming the IMC's in the K10 are DDR3 compatible? 

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Makari"]the general impression i've picked up thus far is that they'll be more effecient clock-for-clock than the C2Ds, but won't be able to clock as high as easily. if that pans out, it could end up being an athlon xp barton vs. pentium 4b northwood 533fsb battle again. i did watch that flash, btw (my girlfriend laughed through the whole thing and said i'm such a dork :|), and that's exactly the sort of thing i'm thinking AMD needs the big company IT people to see!jfelisario

I think K10 will have a performance difference from C2D like C2D had against current Athlons, about a 600mhz advantage.

C2D at 2.4ghz is roughly equal to a x2 at 3ghz.
So a C2D at 3.4ghz will be comparable to a K10 at 2.8ghz.

Though we will have to wait and see on the actual numbers.Z
I just like how AMD went with a complteley different way with their logic/core design. They are able to do more with less, which means their chips will be cheaper to make then C2D was, though there probably will be mass production differences in price.

Like I said before, K10 quadcores will not be a huge deal on the desktop market, though the IMC might make a small difference, the main point of a native quadcore design is in the server market, which AMD really needs to win back.

I'm assuming the IMC's in the K10 are DDR3 compatible? 

They'd better be! =D 2 years from now I'm hoping to hop on the pcie2 and ddr3 trolley...

[QUOTE="jfelisario"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

[QUOTE="Makari"]the general impression i've picked up thus far is that they'll be more effecient clock-for-clock than the C2Ds, but won't be able to clock as high as easily. if that pans out, it could end up being an athlon xp barton vs. pentium 4b northwood 533fsb battle again. i did watch that flash, btw (my girlfriend laughed through the whole thing and said i'm such a dork :|), and that's exactly the sort of thing i'm thinking AMD needs the big company IT people to see!Staryoshi87

I think K10 will have a performance difference from C2D like C2D had against current Athlons, about a 600mhz advantage.

C2D at 2.4ghz is roughly equal to a x2 at 3ghz.
So a C2D at 3.4ghz will be comparable to a K10 at 2.8ghz.

Though we will have to wait and see on the actual numbers.Z
I just like how AMD went with a complteley different way with their logic/core design. They are able to do more with less, which means their chips will be cheaper to make then C2D was, though there probably will be mass production differences in price.

Like I said before, K10 quadcores will not be a huge deal on the desktop market, though the IMC might make a small difference, the main point of a native quadcore design is in the server market, which AMD really needs to win back.

I'm assuming the IMC's in the K10 are DDR3 compatible?

They'd better be! =D 2 years from now I'm hoping to hop on the pcie2 and ddr3 trolley... 

Hey i thought you were an Intel fanboi :/

I'm assuming the IMC's in the K10 are DDR3 compatible? jfelisario

Probably not. Current release is for socket AM2 and AM2+.

I have a feeling AMD will make a new socket, AM3, to support DDR3. 

Yep. But who cares anyway? Lol. I think I'm becoming bipolar -_-... I'll take whatever I can get, but I guess I didn't phrase that right. I meant they'd better be (for their sake) ((Not necessarily the first gen mobos, but Barcelona-using ones I mean)) and the other part was more of an independent thought...a well-placed "enter" would have perhaps saved me some time explaining.

[QUOTE="jfelisario"]I'm assuming the IMC's in the K10 are DDR3 compatible? LordEC911

Probably not. Current release is for socket AM2 and AM2+.

I have a feeling AMD will make a new socket, AM3, to support DDR3.

Ahh that's fine, I don't see DDR3 flying out of the woodworks immediately and completely overtaking DDR2 over as the new standard, unless there's news of the dram-urais switching solely to ddr3 or halting all ddr2 productions.  

Ahh that's fine, I don't see DDR3 flying out of the woodworks immediately and completely overtaking DDR2 over as the new standard, unless there's news of the dram-urais switching solely to ddr3 or halting all ddr2 productions. jfelisario

Which there won't be. Once DDR2 using processors take a dip below $100 later this year is when DDR2 production might slowly begin to ramp down as they begin to increase DDR3 production.  I don't see DDR3 taking off until near the end of '08. 

lol, gamers talking about stocks. Im sorry, but its hilarious. I like how everyone is an AMD K8 fanboy, now there Intel C2D fanboys, next its K10, then its Penryn. Bunch of bandwagon jumpers...:lol:9mmSpliff

I am a gamer but I am also a business man.
I need to make my money somehow and while being in school, I have jobs which many people don't think are actual jobs. 

And people say gambling at a card table is risky...I'll take my chance on the turn and the river before trusting a board room full of stuffy dudes in suits.RayvinAzn

Good idea.  When you come to planning your retirement and kids education I definitely suggest investing those funds in a poker game as a more reliable way to grow your money than in investing it in a well diversified portfolio of investments tailored to your risk level which is managed by a professional.

Good idea. When you come to planning your retirement and kids education I definitely suggest investing those funds in a poker game as a more reliable way to grow your money than in investing it in a well diversified portfolio of investments tailored to your risk level which is managed by a professional.

MrMcPeach

I have a savings account for that.

AMD, do something!Oemenia

Well, if this thread is right, at least they've got their wiping covered....

you guys make me laugh . b4 c2d this forum was so diifferent . infact anyone who owned a pantium was laughed at. EVERYTHING was AMD , amd this amd that.intel was so out of the story regarding processors then . that is when i finally left intel and went with amd .i now have e6700 ctd and i read this thread. its like oh my god amd is dead. wake up and smell the technolodgy and us the poor sheep that follow.everybody say "maaaa"labirenth

It's really quite simple, people will always side with the technology that is the most cost effective for the speeds you are getting. The exception is the hardcore and devoted user who will stick by company X till the bitter end. Those user also tend to cause moderators the most amount of trouble and I'm actually stunned this has remained as civil as it has. I was going to lock it within the first 5 posts :P

[QUOTE="labirenth"]you guys make me laugh . b4 c2d this forum was so diifferent . infact anyone who owned a pantium was laughed at. EVERYTHING was AMD , amd this amd that.intel was so out of the story regarding processors then . that is when i finally left intel and went with amd .i now have e6700 ctd and i read this thread. its like oh my god amd is dead. wake up and smell the technolodgy and us the poor sheep that follow.everybody say "maaaa"Krall

It's really quite simple, people will always side with the technology that is the most cost effective for the speeds you are getting. The exception is the hardcore and devoted user who will stick by company X till the bitter end. Those user also tend to cause moderators the most amount of trouble and I'm actually stunned this has remained as civil as it has. I was going to lock it within the first 5 posts :P

yep there were close moments where it seemed that some people were just gonna snap out and lose it, but good thing civility has prevailed, AMD is surely in a deep pickle but they will make an eventual rebound, whether by their own merits or being bailed by Big Blue (again!), and alot of Intel fanboys are quick to bash AMD for this apparent slump, in terms of their top-tiered performance lines, the so-called bad idea of a merger with ATI (this acquisition will pay off in time, granted they don't default and file for bankruptcy or something bad), but AMD has been here before.

All this from a person using an intel x6800 and nvidia 8800 gtx's too! I don't want the competition to die, because in the end, their demise will be to the benefit of no one else except for the competitors, and with no competition, you have what is called a monopoly, nothing good can ever come out from that.