Is 1024x768 hi res?

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#1 cluclap1
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Is it? I was wondering because it doesn't really seem like it, yet this resolution and anything above it seems to double in fps loss. I'm wondering because I perform a lot of low-end game test and was wondering if I should include this resolution in my results before I post them on the forum.

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#2 mattpunkgd
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No it isn't a high resolution, it's close to 720p. You should play at your monitors highest resolution and if your getting bad fps lower settings especially AA. And if your playing at lowest settings and can't max out your res, then you definitely need a need a new part, most likely a video card, but we couldn't tell you unless we knew your specs.
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#3 God-Is-Dead
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No,far from it,quite low-end. Cuz of Crysis making your GeForce 6200 cry blood :(
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[QUOTE="God-Is-Dead"]No,far from it,quite low-end. Cuz of Crysis making your GeForce 6200 cry blood :(

Oh, you're familiar with my low-end tests? Should I add 1024x768 to the low-end tests then?
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No it isn't a high resolution, it's close to 720p. You should play at your monitors highest resolution and if your getting bad fps lower settings especially AA. And if your playing at lowest settings and can't max out your res, then you definitely need a need a new part, most likely a video card, but we couldn't tell you unless we knew your specs.mattpunkgd
Check the out: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26870134
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#6 JigglyWiggly_
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1024x768 is a babies res, for 15in and lower, I run at 1920x1080 lol.
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#7 BlueBirdTS
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I would consider 1920X1200 and above high-res. 1024X768 is low by today's standards.

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In terms of PC monitors, 1280x1024 should be the starting point for high resolutions.

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#9 FsLeonhart
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I think Hi-res 1650X1080 and 1440x900 until acceptable, 1024X768 now is low-res for the current standards.

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#10 OoSuperMarioO
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I think Hi-res 1650X1080 and 1440x900 until acceptable, 1024X768 now is low-res for the current standards.

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1280x1024 is high res and also meets HDTV 1080i standard.

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#11 God-Is-Dead
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[QUOTE="God-Is-Dead"]No,far from it,quite low-end. Cuz of Crysis making your GeForce 6200 cry blood :(cluclap1
Oh, you're familiar with my low-end tests? Should I add 1024x768 to the low-end tests then?

I would personally,but your choice.
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#12 mr_chalupa
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It depends... i dont really know the numbersabout what resolution is more popular right now. Butmax resolution (that i know of being commercialized) is 2580 x 1600 or something like that. That is really high res. Ok?

So right now the lowest res games have is either 640x480 or 800x600 it depends on the game but thats the lowest(with the exception of UT3 that goes all the way back to 320x240 lol)

Right now from what i have readmostppl are playing at 1024x768, 1280x1024and (1680x1080 - 1600x1200). so this ones are for low medium and high (normal not enthusiast) gaming cards

IMO 1024x768 is not high-res. High res begins (for me) at 1680x1050 although for someone that always play at 800*600 that may be high res.Also depends on the monitor everyone is using. And remember Console max res(in some cases) can reach 1920*1080 though regular res is 1280*720.

common resolutions are 640*480 800*600 1024*768 1280*720p 1440*900 1280*1024 1680*1050 1600*1200 1920*1080p (p=traditional tv res)(from low to high)

Edit: BTW i do have seen your 6200 benchies and are a bit incredible... you could try it but if you are getting as low as 5 then i think you can skip them

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#13 beex215
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>12x10 lower end

>16x10 mid end

>19x10 higher end

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And to think that 1024X768 is my favorite resoloution. How do think crysis will run at that resoloution with all settings very high running with a gtx 295, 6gb ram, and core i7 920 oc'd 3.3GHZ?

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And to think that 1024X768 is my favorite resoloution. How do think crysis will run at that resoloution with all settings very high running with a gtx 295, 6gb ram, and core i7 920 oc'd 3.3GHZ?

Patatopan

Maybe 45FPS or higher on max details with AA and AF enabled

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Is it? I was wondering because it doesn't really seem like it, yet this resolution and anything above it seems to double in fps loss. I'm wondering because I perform a lot of low-end game test and was wondering if I should include this resolution in my results before I post them on the forum.

cluclap1
Im familiar with your low end tests (good job by the way, I like reading your posts and results). LOW res = 1280x1024 and anything below MEDIUM res = 1280X1024 to 1600x1200 HIGH res = 1920x1200 and above Expecting a 6200oc to play anything that approaches medium res, is foolish for modern games. Keep doing your tests at 1024x768 and below.
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[QUOTE="cluclap1"]

Is it? I was wondering because it doesn't really seem like it, yet this resolution and anything above it seems to double in fps loss. I'm wondering because I perform a lot of low-end game test and was wondering if I should include this resolution in my results before I post them on the forum.

fu114u70m471c

Im familiar with your low end tests (good job by the way, I like reading your posts and results). LOW res = 1280x1024 and anything below MEDIUM res = 1280X1024 to 1600x1200 HIGH res = 1920x1200 and above Expecting a 6200oc to play anything that approaches medium res, is foolish for modern games. Keep doing your tests at 1024x768 and below.

Where are you retrieving this data about what's low res and high res?

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[QUOTE="fu114u70m471c"][QUOTE="cluclap1"]

Is it? I was wondering because it doesn't really seem like it, yet this resolution and anything above it seems to double in fps loss. I'm wondering because I perform a lot of low-end game test and was wondering if I should include this resolution in my results before I post them on the forum.

OoSuperMarioO

Im familiar with your low end tests (good job by the way, I like reading your posts and results). LOW res = 1280x1024 and anything below MEDIUM res = 1280X1024 to 1600x1200 HIGH res = 1920x1200 and above Expecting a 6200oc to play anything that approaches medium res, is foolish for modern games. Keep doing your tests at 1024x768 and below.

Where are you retrieving this data about what's low res and high res?

If one looks at the monitors that are available to the general consumer. The highest resolution monitors reach a maximum of 25x16 (30") 19x12(24") or 3 to 4 mega pixels. EXPENSIVE. Mid range monitors with medium resolutions reach maximum resolutions of around 16x10 (WS) or approximately 2MP. AFFORDABLE. Budget monitors can do a max that is little over 1MP. VERY CHEAP.
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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

[QUOTE="fu114u70m471c"] Im familiar with your low end tests (good job by the way, I like reading your posts and results). LOW res = 1280x1024 and anything below MEDIUM res = 1280X1024 to 1600x1200 HIGH res = 1920x1200 and above Expecting a 6200oc to play anything that approaches medium res, is foolish for modern games. Keep doing your tests at 1024x768 and below. fu114u70m471c

Where are you retrieving this data about what's low res and high res?

If one looks at the monitors that are available to the general consumer. The highest resolution monitors reach a maximum of 25x16 (30") 19x12(24") or 3 to 4 mega pixels. EXPENSIVE. Mid range monitors with medium resolutions reach maximum resolutions of around 16x10 (WS) or approximately 2MP. AFFORDABLE. Budget monitors can do a max that is little over 1MP. VERY CHEAP.

Resolutions doesn't always equate to higher cost in electronics. I've seen 1280x1024 monitors put 1920x1200 monitors to shame in picture quality/cost all because of contrast ratios and refresh rates. Here are the current standards for television display resolutions:

  • SDTV: 480i (NTSC, 720×480 split into two 240-line fields)
  • SDTV: 576i (PAL, 720×576 split into two 288-line fields)
  • EDTV: 480p (NTSC, 720×480)
  • EDTV: 576p (PAL, 720×576)
  • HDTV: 720p (1280×720)
  • HDTV: 1080i (1280×1080, 1440×1080, or 1920×1080 split into two 540-line fields)
  • HDTV: 1080p (1920*1080 progressive scan)

File:Aspect Ratios and Resolutions.svg

Entry point for a High res display is 1280x720.

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Wasn't 1024x768 the default resolution in like 1998?
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#21 cluclap1
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Wasn't 1024x768 the default resolution in like 1998? Skillzero
No, it was 640x480, nowadays it is only 800x600, and sometimes 1024x768 in some games.
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#22 GPAddict
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I can run 1920x1080 on my 67" HDTV, but I prefer 1360 x 768 in Windows (text is little easier to read), of course I can run my games at 1920 x 1080 just fine, and most actually look and run better at higher res.

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I use a Hanns-G 28" 1080i 3ms Monitor and my native resolution is 1920x1200 so I run all games in that unless they dont offer that resolution.

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[QUOTE="Skillzero"]Wasn't 1024x768 the default resolution in like 1998? cluclap1
No, it was 640x480, nowadays it is only 800x600, and sometimes 1024x768 in some games.

In 1998 800*600 was the standard resolution. 640*480 was for Win95. Nowadays the most common resolution is 1280*1024, followed by 1680*1050.

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[QUOTE="fu114u70m471c"][QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]Where are you retrieving this data about what's low res and high res?

OoSuperMarioO

If one looks at the monitors that are available to the general consumer. The highest resolution monitors reach a maximum of 25x16 (30") 19x12(24") or 3 to 4 mega pixels. EXPENSIVE. Mid range monitors with medium resolutions reach maximum resolutions of around 16x10 (WS) or approximately 2MP. AFFORDABLE. Budget monitors can do a max that is little over 1MP. VERY CHEAP.

Resolutions doesn't always equate to higher cost in electronics. I've seen 1280x1024 monitors put 1920x1200 monitors to shame in picture quality/cost all because of contrast ratios and refresh rates. Here are the current standards for television display resolutions:

  • SDTV: 480i (NTSC, 720×480 split into two 240-line fields)
  • SDTV: 576i (PAL, 720×576 split into two 288-line fields)
  • EDTV: 480p (NTSC, 720×480)
  • EDTV: 576p (PAL, 720×576)
  • HDTV: 720p (1280×720)
  • HDTV: 1080i (1280×1080, 1440×1080, or 1920×1080 split into two 540-line fields)
  • HDTV: 1080p (1920*1080 progressive scan)

File:Aspect Ratios and Resolutions.svg

Entry point for a High res display is 1280x720.

LOL! Please forgive my assumption that, this being the PC and mac games forum, we are talking only about monitors and not televisions. You are correct that resolution is not the only specification that matters when judging screens. There are very expensive displays that seem to have very low resolutions for the price, no doubt due to high contrast ratios/refresh rates etc. Since this is the PC and mac games forum, 720p just is not a high resolution. 1 megapixel is low for PC games. Go visit newegg or any other site that sells MONITORS and see for yourself. I will give you this. Some plasmas and high end LCD TELEVISIONS with very low resolutions (720p,13x9) can have excellent picture quality if you are prepared to sit a few feet from the screen. Most PC games do not sit a few feet from the screen and so resolution is important.
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#26 fu114u70m471c
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Dont confuse High res with high def. High def is a buzz word used by the electronics industry. 'High def and true high def' why not just say 720p and 1080p or even better 1280x720 and 1920x1080.
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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

[QUOTE="fu114u70m471c"] If one looks at the monitors that are available to the general consumer. The highest resolution monitors reach a maximum of 25x16 (30") 19x12(24") or 3 to 4 mega pixels. EXPENSIVE. Mid range monitors with medium resolutions reach maximum resolutions of around 16x10 (WS) or approximately 2MP. AFFORDABLE. Budget monitors can do a max that is little over 1MP. VERY CHEAP.fu114u70m471c

Resolutions doesn't always equate to higher cost in electronics. I've seen 1280x1024 monitors put 1920x1200 monitors to shame in picture quality/cost all because of contrast ratios and refresh rates.


Entry point for a High res display is 1280x720.

LOL! Please forgive my assumption that, this being the PC and mac games forum, we are talking only about monitors and not televisions. You are correct that resolution is not the only specification that matters when judging screens. There are very expensive displays that seem to have very low resolutions for the price, no doubt due to high contrast ratios/refresh rates etc. Since this is the PC and mac games forum, 720p just is not a high resolution. 1 megapixel is low for PC games. Go visit newegg or any other site that sells MONITORS and see for yourself. I will give you this. Some plasmas and high end LCD TELEVISIONS with very low resolutions (720p,13x9) can have excellent picture quality if you are prepared to sit a few feet from the screen. Most PC games do not sit a few feet from the screen and so resolution is important.

Please look carefully again and you will see 16:10(PC monitors) on that reference. PC monitors today also feature 1:1 ratio along with inputs allowing your monitor to act as a TV. 720p is a high res for display format though there are higher resolutions. Check the standards and you will see that 1280x720 meets entry level for High Definition Television/High Resolution Television. Low resolutions would be consider as anything under 1024x768 default, granted Web layout is currently at the default.

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Feel free to also visit your nearest Best Buy to ask what's a high resolution and low resolution bud for displays. Marvelous!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbdW0Qt0tLI

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Is it? I was wondering because it doesn't really seem like it, yet this resolution and anything above it seems to double in fps loss. I'm wondering because I perform a lot of low-end game test and was wondering if I should include this resolution in my results before I post them on the forum.

cluclap1

1024x768 is what I run my desktop at, but I run my games at 1600x1200.

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1024 by 768 used to be medium res in the earlier part of this decade, but it is now firmly cemented at low res status. 1280 by 1024 is a good starting place, but widescreen is better. 1600 by 1200 is also good.

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"Check the standards and you will see that 1280x720 meets entry level for High Definition Television/High Resolution Television" Yes. Entry level for television screens. Monitors are what the vast majority of PC gamers play their games on, and these have always been capable of higher resolutions at much lower price and smaller screen size. This is the PC and mac games forum. PC gamers have different standards. Feel free to to visit any any PC gaming hardware site or gaming site and look at the resolutions they bench games at. 1MP=low, 4MP=very high. Most 'high def' television is at 720p, most cg consoles render at 720p. Pc gamers can play at what ever resolution their hardware allows, and this goes all the way up to 4MP. If 4MP is at the top end then a quarter of that is the low end. If your car does 200mph and mine does 50mph, my car is the low end. I can stick a sticker on my oven that says high temperature, but compared to what. Been great arguing but this is going nowhere. Lets leave it at this. You and the consumer electronics industry believe 1MP to be entry level 'high definition'. I believe 'high resolution' refers to the highest resolutions that we have access to (excluding specialist screens for engineering/research etc), ie 4 MP. The thread title is 'Is 1024x768 hi res?'.

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"Check the standards and you will see that 1280x720 meets entry level for High Definition Television/High Resolution Television" Yes. Entry level for television screens. Monitors are what the vast majority of PC gamers play their games on, and these have always been capable of higher resolutions at much lower price and smaller screen size. This is the PC and mac games forum. PC gamers have different standards. Feel free to to visit any any PC gaming hardware site or gaming site and look at the resolutions they bench games at. 1MP=low, 4MP=very high. Most 'high def' television is at 720p, most cg consoles render at 720p. Pc gamers can play at what ever resolution their hardware allows, and this goes all the way up to 4MP. If 4MP is at the top end then a quarter of that is the low end. If your car does 200mph and mine does 50mph, my car is the low end. I can stick a sticker on my oven that says high temperature, but compared to what. Been great arguing but this is going nowhere. Lets leave it at this. You and the consumer electronics industry believe 1MP to be entry level 'high definition'. I believe 'high resolution' refers to the highest resolutions that we have access to (excluding specialist screens for engineering/research etc), ie 4 MP. The thread title is 'Is 1024x768 hi res?'.

fu114u70m471c

I don't know how on Earth is making up personal charts valid 1MP as low. "If 4MP is at the top end then a quarter of that is the low end", this simply not true at all.

2560x1600
1920x1200
1920x1080
1680x1050
1600x1200
1440x900
1360x768
1280x1024
1280x960
1280x800
1280x768
1152x864
1024x768
800x600
640x480
320x240

With 4mp as the cap limit for GPUs, anything under one quarter will start at the default 1024x768 and under which will be low end for Gaming. 1280x720 is much higher then the quarter but under 50% making it medium end for Gaming. A 4mp image can dwarf any PC supported resolution under it, but you'll be lucky enough to find applications that can even support it, especially for movie film format. With Blu-Ray/ TV Broadcast being 1080p as the cap, 720p will still be consider as high res.

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#33 fu114u70m471c
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OK 0oSuperMario0. You have convinced me. But: "With 4mp as the cap limit for GPUs, anything under one quarter will start at the default 1024x768 and under which will be low end for Gaming. 1280x720 is much higher then the quarter but under 50% making it medium end for Gaming. A 4mp image can dwarf any PC supported resolution under it, but you'll be lucky enough to find applications that can even support it, especially for movie film format. With Blu-Ray/ TV Broadcast being 1080p as the cap, 720p will still be consider as high res."

2560x1600=4096000=x

1280x720 = 921600=y

x/y=4.444...

ie 25x16 is approx four and half times the resolution.

Also the 4MPcap limit was removed from modern gpus about the time g80s dropped. I cant be bothered to look for the exact data but this site shows it and ive owned one myself in the past. If i recall correctly the max theoretical res is approx 8000x8000 in modern GPUs (post g80, both nvidia and ati).

http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php/TH2Go_FAQ

I will agree with you that 720p is "high definition", and that it is entry level highres when considering televisions (there being only 2 'HD' resolutions). For monitors, however, just under 1MP is not high res anymore. A $200 monitor 10yrs ago would do 1280x1024 or 1024x768. That same $200 will buy this today: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000190020%204017%201309822582&name=22%22.

This is budget, the price of 2 console games and 3 or 4 pc games buys this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000190020%204027&name=%2475%20-%20%24100

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[QUOTE="FsLeonhart"]

I think Hi-res 1650X1080 and 1440x900 until acceptable, 1024X768 now is low-res for the current standards.

OoSuperMarioO

1280x1024 is high res and also meets HDTV 1080i standard.

I did not know this. :shock:

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My 32'' LCD tv says it can output 1080i but its max res is just 1366x768 does that mean it doesnt run on hi def res.

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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

[QUOTE="FsLeonhart"]

I think Hi-res 1650X1080 and 1440x900 until acceptable, 1024X768 now is low-res for the current standards.

shoot-first

1280x1024 is high res and also meets HDTV 1080i standard.

I did not know this. :shock:

Because it's false. A 1280*1024 monitor can display HD 720p (1280*720) but not HD 1080i or 1080p. Just because a monitor or LCD TV ACCEPTS a 1080i signal, does not mean it can DISPLAY it at 1080i. It simply downscales the image to fit the lower resolution of the monitor.

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In terms of PC monitors, 1280x1024 should be the starting point for high resolutions.

OoSuperMarioO

depends on the size of the monitor, I still have my 17" CRT and Crysis looks fine at 1152 x 864 resolution.

1024 x 768 is the beginning of high resolution on my PC I'd say.

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#38 Addict187
Member since 2008 • 1128 Posts

I use my computer on my tv 32" in my room and it looks fine at 720p. Man some of you are pikeyI find if funny

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#39 OoSuperMarioO
Member since 2005 • 6539 Posts

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[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]1280x1024 is high res and also meets HDTV 1080i standard.

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I did not know this. :shock:

Because it's false. A 1280*1024 monitor can display HD 720p (1280*720) but not HD 1080i or 1080p. Just because a monitor or LCD TV ACCEPTS a 1080i signal, does not mean it can DISPLAY it at 1080i. It simply downscales the image to fit the lower resolution of the monitor.

I felt there was no real purpose for me to go into depth about a 1080i signal being retrieve from a display that's not even native 1920x1080. It was never false, granted there's a large number of displays being sold advertise as 1080i compatible even though the native is not 1920x1080. The purpose of allowing a 1280x1024 display or even 1366x768 ect. to accept a 1080i signal will essentially be due to a downscale 1080i signal will dispense a better picture quality then a upscale 720p signal, thus why I mention 1280x1024 meeting HDTV 1080i standard. I agree, it does not DISPLAY a native 1080i image, but it still nonetheless accepts the signal to again display better image quality.

To add on more depth to my statement, "1080i means that you transmit a frame of 1080 lines every 1/30 of a sec. However, since the signal is INTERLACED, you actually transmit a FIELD of 540 lines every 1/60 of a second." With that in mind then a display with 1024 lines or even 768 lines is able of accepting 540 lines and rescale it. Some monitors will accept this magnificently for a better image entirely. I was never false..

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#40 Kh1ndjal
Member since 2003 • 2788 Posts

I can run 1920x1080 on my 67" HDTV, but I prefer 1360 x 768 in Windows (text is little easier to read), of course I can run my games at 1920 x 1080 just fine, and most actually look and run better at higher res.

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couldn't you just increase the font size? i believe that's much easier to do in windows7, never quite looks right in vista/xp