Is firewire worth it?

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#1 Dariency
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My motherboard doesn't have a firewire port. I'm thinking of getting an add-on card to get some firewire ports for future use. I do have a video camera that uses firewire, but other than that I don't have anything else that uses firewire. Would it be worth the extra money to get a firewire card?

I have some PCI Express x1 slots available, so I was thinking of spending a little more for a PCI-E firewire card. A standard PCI card is cheaper, but PCI-E is supposed to be faster, so should I spend more and get the PCI-E card or would I not notice a different in speed compared to PCI? Thanks.

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To be honest, all I use my mobo's integrated FireWire for at the moment is camcorder DV, and I'd say it was worth the extra money spent to have it integrated just for that. When connecting your camcorder with a FireWire cable, you can rip recorded video to your hard drive in playback mode (on the camcorder), as well as use it as a webcam in recording mode (again, on the camcorder; you shouldn't need to press the record button to send video info to your PC, by the way). As for the two different expansion card interfaces, I'd generally go PCIe simply because PCI will be inevitably phased out as time passes, making the card more viable to keep as you go through new builds down the road. Of course, you may also decide that every motherboard you buy from here on out must have FireWire integrated, making that point moot. Another factor to consider is what other expansion cards you have installed or may install later on-for instance, if you want to SLI/CrossFire, you don't want to get a card that won't fit because all of your graphics cards' dual-slot HSFs are covering up all the slots of a given type.
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#3 X360PS3AMD05
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I would try to use USB, if not get the cheaper PCI firewire card.
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To be honest, all I use my mobo's integrated FireWire for at the moment is camcorder DV, and I'd say it was worth the extra money spent to have it integrated just for that. When connecting your camcorder with a FireWire cable, you can rip recorded video to your hard drive in playback mode (on the camcorder), as well as use it as a webcam in recording mode (again, on the camcorder; you shouldn't need to press the record button to send video info to your PC, by the way). As for the two different expansion card interfaces, I'd generally go PCIe simply because PCI will be inevitably phased out as time passes, making the card more viable to keep as you go through new builds down the road. Of course, you may also decide that every motherboard you buy from here on out must have FireWire integrated, making that point moot. Another factor to consider is what other expansion cards you have installed or may install later on-for instance, if you want to SLI/CrossFire, you don't want to get a card that won't fit because all of your graphics cards' dual-slot HSFs are covering up all the slots of a given type.NamelessPlayer

This is my motherboard. It has 3 PCI slots and 2 PCI Express x1 slots, both next to the PCI Express x16 slot. One of the PCI slots is used for my sound card, so both interfaces would work fine. The main reason I was thinking PCI-E was because of the supposed increased speed, making for increased transfer speeds, ect. But if that wouldn't be the case, I'd probably just get a PCI card.

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I'm not smart, but I have a firewire PCI card and it works for video. I say to just get PCI and for your next motherboards make sure it has integrated firewire.
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#6 Dariency
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I'm not smart, but I have a firewire PCI card and it works for video. I say to just get PCI and for your next motherboards make sure it has integrated firewire.siskokidd
I just got this motherboard so it's going to be a long while before I get another. And I know a PCI firewire card would work fine for video, but PCI-E has more bandwith, and wondering to know if it's worth the extra cost.
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Besides a camcorder, you can hook a cable box up to your computer via FireWire to stream video from it. You can also use your computer as a DVR sort of deal, but your computer can't change the channel on the cable box to record automatically. If your cable box doesn't have a FireWire port, there's a federal mandate (in the United States) which states that cable companies are required to provide you a box with a working port if you request it.
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#8 Dariency
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Besides a camcorder, you can hook a cable box up to your computer via FireWire to stream video from it. You can also use your computer as a DVR sort of deal, but your computer can't change the channel on the cable box to record automatically. If your cable box doesn't have a FireWire port, there's a federal mandate (in the United States) which states that cable companies are required to provide you a box with a working port if you request it.kodex1717
I have satellite TV. Does the mandate count for satellite receivers? That would be cool.
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Firewire is nice because its I/O operations are handled at hardware at each end (both at the port connecting it to the computer, and the device connected). This means that even a slower computer can still see the full benefit of having a firewire device connected, and that the OS/CPU/software can then busy themselves with other things. It's one reason that intel hates is so very, very much. USB's I/O operations are done entirely in software, just like Flash. Thus in order to get the full benefit of a USB device, you will need a pretty fast CPU... intel loves this because it helps them sell more chips. As to whether it'd be faster over a PCI-E bus... that's debatable. If you're only talking 1394a (Firewire 400), then you'll see a small improvement. You'll get a more significant boost if you use a card that has Firewire 800 (a.k.a. 1394b). It uses a different type of plug, but is backward-compatible with the use of an adapter that can split a single 800 port into two 400 ports. Also, you're much more likely to still be able to use the PCI-E card in the future than the PCI only one.
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#10 codezer0
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I have satellite TV. Does the mandate count for satellite receivers? That would be cool.dog64
I'd like to know this, too. It would mean I could put one to use here and probably watch TV on my main computer. :D
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#11 strjms72
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I'd get the PCI E, even if it costs more, I'd go for speed and quality
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#12 Dariency
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One more question for you. What if I just used something like this? It's a USB cable with a 4-pin firewire port on the end, which will fit into my camcorder. Since it's using the DV port on it, it should work right? Then you wouldn't need a firewire card.
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#13 Lehman
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ive never touched the firewire ports on my computer

USB 2.0 FTW!
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#14 Dariency
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ive never touched the firewire ports on my computer

USB 2.0 FTW!Lehman

Are you saying that my idea above would work?

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#15 FinalJenemba
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It should work, but you wont see any of the benefits of firewire.
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#16 Teuf_
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[QUOTE="Lehman"]ive never touched the firewire ports on my computer

USB 2.0 FTW!dog64

Are you saying that my idea above would work?



I don't think that will work. For things like DV capture to work, the cable would have to convert the firewire signals to USB and then run some sort of virtual firewire port software on the running computer. However I've never seen any such converter...

You're best off just getting firewire expansion card, you should be able to find one for cheap on Newegg or somewhere similiar. A PCI-e 1x card should be fine, it has enough bandwidth for firewire. Regular PCI will also work and will be cheaper, if you have a slot available.
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#17 codezer0
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One more question for you. What if I just used something like this? It's a USB cable with a 4-pin firewire port on the end, which will fit into my camcorder. Since it's using the DV port on it, it should work right? Then you wouldn't need a firewire card.dog64
That would defeat the purpose of having firewire on the camera in the first place.
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#18 Dariency
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Thanks for your answers. I thought since USB and firewire had simular speeds, that it would work fine. But I decided to do the right thing anyway and get a firewire card. I found one on Ebay for only $9.50, shipping included, and it even comes with a cable. It's standard PCI, but as a previous user mentioned, you'll only notice a slight improvement for 1394a on PCI-E. So I think I made a good decision, and it was cheap. Thanks for the help everyone.
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#19 codezer0
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USB is only rated for peak BURST speeds... so USB 2.0 might get you a few bursts where you are seeing 60MB/s (a.k.a. the rated 480Mbps) throughput, but CPU overhead and chipset overhead will guarantee actual sustained speed is much less. Firewire is rated for peak SUSTAINED speed. So that firewire 400 means that it's rated for a sustained I/O of 50MB/sec, and because its I/O isn't being regulated by an already-busy CPU, it means you can easily see better speeds than that. And firewire 800 would be much better still. It will take a long time after USB3 comes out that we'll see systems and hardware that could realistically provide I/O anywhere close to what intel is promising for it.
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#20 imprezawrx500
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firewire is basicly for dv cameras and nothing else, but if you need it if you want to get the movies off you camera