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#1 yonyz
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Hi,

I received my XFX HD 6950 2GB GPU a few hours ago, and now I ran BF3 on Auto settings, and the game set textures to Ultra and the rest to High, with Anisotropic at 16X, which I reduced to 1X.

The performance is bad. Game isn't as smooth as it was before (low settings with GTX 260 MaxCore 55), and there are so many hiccups, every few seconds.

Is there a test I can do to see that the card is fine? It is a used card after all, but it came with transparent stickers that are to be removed.

My other hardware:

Awesome audio card

Intel i5 661 (dual core 3.33Ghz, equivalent to i5 2500K but with half the cores)

Corsair VX 450W (I know ATI recommends 500W but this is a Certified Corsair, relatively expensive PSU)

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8GB fancy-red plastic coated G.Skill memory (2x4GB, DDR3 of course)

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CPU is struggling, that would be my guess. Also dont use Deferred AA (if thats what its called) just use Post AA.
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Bit weak CPU for that game I think.
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ya I would say CPU is ur problem as its a very CPU intensive game and you only have dual core, but if it was running better on the last GPU then I would say something aint right with that card as it should have no prob maxing BF3 IMO. Did you run the WEI? if so did it increase from the last card? Do you have the latest CCC 12.8? check the overdrive tab to make sure the clock speeds are up at max when running BF3 and also that the Activity is up in the 90%-100%.
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#5 C_Rule
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Awesome audio card

Intel i5 661 (dual core 3.33Ghz, equivalent to i5 2500K but with half the cores)

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#6 yonyz
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Obiwan, I did not install CCC, just the driver from AMD's site. And the game run faster but wither lowest settings, not High or Ultra. C_Rule, I didn't mean they're equivalent in power, but in the cores. I should note I am running Win 8 64 bit (as before with the GTX 260).
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#7 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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You should be able to get 45-50FPS on High settings even with a dual core CPU in BF3 at 1920x1080.

  1. Make sure you have unistalled Nvidia drivers.
  2. Make sure the GPU has both 6 pin power connectors plugged in firmly.
  3. Make sure you have the latest drivers.

The powersupply may be cutting it close.

Download 3DMark 06, Vantage or 11 here and post your results.... LINK.

Again this is no fault with the performance with your card unless its faulty. A HD 6950 is twice as fast as a GTX 260 and is more than enough to run every game on high settings.

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#8 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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Hi,

I received my XFX HD 6950 2GB GPU a few hours ago, and now I ran BF3 on Auto settings, and the game set textures to Ultra and the rest to High, with Anisotropic at 16X, which I reduced to 1X.

The performance is bad. Game isn't as smooth as it was before (low settings with GTX 260 MaxCore 55), and there are so many hiccups, every few seconds.

Is there a test I can do to see that the card is fine? It is a used card after all, but it came with transparent stickers that are to be removed.

My other hardware:

Awesome audio card

Intel i5 661 (dual core 3.33Ghz, equivalent to i5 2500K but with half the cores)

Corsair VX 450W (I know ATI recommends 500W but this is a Certified Corsair, relatively expensive PSU)

GIGABYTE H55M-D2H

8GB fancy-red plastic coated G.Skill memory (2x4GB, DDR3 of course)

yonyz

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  • Dual Core CPU - Minumum requirement
  • 450w PSU - 500w recommended for GPU
  • Used GPU - Do I need to say anything?

You have no right to be dissapointed. Seems like you made very poor choices when it comes to hardware and I hope you have learnt your lesson.

With all the things listed chances are the card doesn't work and or your PSU isnt sufficient. Keep in mind the longer you have a card (yours being used) the more watts it takes so brand new 500w is recommened but after a year or two of use it may be drawing 30-50 more watts at load.

Do a few tests and compare scores and framerates and if your having problems across the board I suggest you send the card back then buy a better PSU or stick to buying NEW GPU's that your PSU meets the requirements to.

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#9 yonyz
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1. Uninstalled completely, removed Registry entries and leftover folders/files. 2. They are connected... However one of the connectors doesn't have a piece of metal in one of its pins out of the 6 it has. 3. Got the latest drivers, downloaded today from AMD's site. I have downloaded 3Dmark 11 basic... Is it good enough? Cause it only runs a 720p test.
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#10 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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[QUOTE="yonyz"]1. Uninstalled completely, removed Registry entries and leftover folders/files. 2. They are connected... However one of the connectors doesn't have a piece of metal in one of its pins out of the 6 it has. 3. Got the latest drivers, downloaded today from AMD's site. I have downloaded 3Dmark 11 basic... Is it good enough? Cause it only runs a 720p test.

Basic is fine run the test and give us the results. Also do you have a molex to 6 pin cable?... the missing pin MAY be the cause of your problems. I suggest taking that 6pin out and using a molex converter to see if it makes a difference.
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#11 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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I would recommend downloadingMSI afterburner setting it to display the GPU usage on screen while doing these tests.

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#12 yonyz
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P4020

Graphics Score 4936

Physics Score 2674

Combined Score 2459

Those are the results for the basic benchmarking test. Apparently my memory is 800Mhz (used computer, didn't ask), does it affect anything?

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#13 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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Your GPU score is fine but your memory on it is not right, it should be running at 1250Mhz(5000Mhz). What does GPUZ say?... Also your CPU(Physics) score is very low and could be a bottleneck. For example I am getting close to 6,900 with a i5 2500k and my old Phenom 2 550 scored 3,800. Again, did you do use a molex instead of the broken 6pin?
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#14 yonyz
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It's the actual 8GB memory that's 800Mhz, not the GPU's.

As for the 6 pin connector, it's not broken, I had a spare one sealed and it's the same, it has two wires going into the same metla piece, don't know why.

The 6 pin cable of the PSU though has 6 wires going into 6 different holes/pieces of metal, so I don't know why the difference.

And how can I connect molex to the GPU? The molex, two molex connectors actually, are the source for the 6 pin connector itself.

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#15 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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It's the actual 8GB memory that's 800Mhz, not the GPU's.yonyz
That's fine then. There is no obvious reason as to why you are having worst framerates with your HD 6950 than a your old GTX 260. Can you just give us your average framerates and settings including resolution? Also that Physics score is BAD and MAY be the bottleneck that said you should still be getting better frame rates than the GTX 260.
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#16 yonyz
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I repeat, the Hd6950 does NOT give me worse results, it gives BETTER results. Remember, I ran the game at lowest possible settings with the GTX 260, and now we're talking about bad framerate at HIGHEST settings with the HD6950. With both cards at lowest settings, the HD6950 blows it away (saw it right after I replaced cards, before I touched the video settings). Also, I just replaced the RAM sticks to 2x4GB at a faster speed, but CPUZ says it's 667Mhz, which I know isn't true because I used those sticks before (gave them to my brother later) and they're 1333 Mhz.

Update:

Checked BIOS, it does say 1333 Mhz.

It also says the CPU's temp is 72 degress Celcius, which I think is crazy when Windows isn't even running, let alone a video game.

The Vcore is at 1.248, the CPU isn't overclocked, and uses stock cooler.

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#17 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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I repeat, the Hd6950 does NOT give me worse results, it gives BETTER results. Remember, I ran the game at lowest possible settings with the GTX 260, and now we're talking about bad framerate at HIGHEST settings with the HD6950. With both cards at lowest settings, the HD6950 blows it away (saw it right after I replaced cards, before I touched the video settings). Also, I just replaced the RAM sticks to 2x4GB at a faster speed, but CPUZ says it's 667Mhz, which I know isn't true because I used those sticks before (gave them to my brother later) and they're 1333 Mhz.yonyz

667Mhz IS 1333Mhz, DDR means Double Data Rate.

If by HIGHEST you mean ULTRA?...

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#18 yonyz
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[QUOTE="yonyz"]I repeat, the Hd6950 does NOT give me worse results, it gives BETTER results. Remember, I ran the game at lowest possible settings with the GTX 260, and now we're talking about bad framerate at HIGHEST settings with the HD6950. With both cards at lowest settings, the HD6950 blows it away (saw it right after I replaced cards, before I touched the video settings). Also, I just replaced the RAM sticks to 2x4GB at a faster speed, but CPUZ says it's 667Mhz, which I know isn't true because I used those sticks before (gave them to my brother later) and they're 1333 Mhz.Grey_Eyed_Elf

667Mhz IS 1333Mhz, DDR means Double Data Rate.

If by HIGHEST you mean ULTRA?...

No, my bad, not Ultra, everything on high, something on 16X and HBAO, and only textures at ULTRA. I don't expect the game to run smooth on EVERYTHING ULTRA. Again, my bad.
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#19 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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What frame rates are you getting?... what resolution are you running? The HD 6950 is NOT enough to run BF3 on ULTRA especially with a Dual Core CPU. Set it to High settings and you should be getting 40-50FPS.
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#20 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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Ultra textures and MSAA are the most demanding options in this game. Set everything to HIGH and turn OFF MSAA.
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#21 yonyz
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1680x1050 Settings: Everything on HIGH including textures, HBAO, POST AA 8X, Deferred 1X, Post processing HIGH. Fraps benchmark result: Frames: 6820 - Time: 159813ms - Avg: 42.675 - Min: 23 - Max: 74 And what I actually noticed: When looking at mountains the FPS is very good, around 65. Going into the warzone, FPS lowers to a stable 28, which is not smooth at all. Only looking at the warzone from far reduces FPS to around 42.
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#22 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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[QUOTE="yonyz"]1680x1050 Settings: Everything on HIGH including textures, HBAO, POST AA 8X, Deferred 1X, Post processing HIGH. Fraps benchmark result: Frames: 6820 - Time: 159813ms - Avg: 42.675 - Min: 23 - Max: 74 And what I actually noticed: When looking at mountains the FPS is very good, around 65. Going into the warzone, FPS lowers to a stable 28, which is not smooth at all. Only looking at the warzone from far reduces FPS to around 42.

With those settings at that resolution with your GPU and your CPU... everything is how it should be. Battlefield 3 is a demanding game.
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#23 yonyz
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And with a quad core CPU? Or a better PSU?
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#24 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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And with a quad core CPU? Or a better PSU?yonyz
A PSU upgrade won't do anything in terms of performance and your CPU while it is a bottleneck won't drastically improve your performance. This is a demanding game on both GPU and CPU. You need fast Quad Core and a fast GPU with 2GB VRAM in order to get 60FPS average. You should be happy with what you have in all honesty and enjoy the actual game even if its not running on the highest settings.
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[QUOTE="yonyz"]1680x1050 Settings: Everything on HIGH including textures, HBAO, POST AA 8X, Deferred 1X, Post processing HIGH. Fraps benchmark result: Frames: 6820 - Time: 159813ms - Avg: 42.675 - Min: 23 - Max: 74 And what I actually noticed: When looking at mountains the FPS is very good, around 65. Going into the warzone, FPS lowers to a stable 28, which is not smooth at all. Only looking at the warzone from far reduces FPS to around 42.

That screams CPU bottleneck and if you are playing a 64player game then its indeed the case and those frames look about right Also did you completely remove Nvidia drivers before installing AMD drivers? Sometimes by a simply uninstaling some driver remains might cause problems The correct procedure is 1.Download and install driver sweeper 2.Unistall nvidia drivers 3.Restart into safe mode and run driver sweeper and select anything nvidia related and select remove 4.Shut down your pc 5.Install 6950 6.Boot into windows and download the latest AMD drivers and install them 7. Restart and you are good to go
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#26 yonyz
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Something is wrong with my system. Metro map, Rush mode, 20/32 players, both underground and outside, Medium settings and below (Shadows at Low, everything else Off or 1x), game runs terribly slow, maybe even slower than before, I don't know... Absolutely unplayable at these Medium to Low settings, with a GPU that I think should do more. I'm gonna try a complete reinstall of the driver as adamosmaki suggested.

Update:

Driver cleaning and reinstallation complete.

I noticed the game runs pretty much the same on Auto, High, Medium and Low. All slow at times, and all smooth at times. I also noticed the graphics doesn't really change, textures still look sharp despite being on Low.

I'm gonna go back to Win 7 64 Bit.

These ATI drivers are beta, and the game doesn't officially support Win 8. This is too important. :D

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For the most smooth experience I rather you have a quad core, a dual core is known to give out lesser FPS when comparing cpus together.

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Obiwan, I did not install CCC, just the driver from AMD's site. And the game run faster but wither lowest settings, not High or Ultra. C_Rule, I didn't mean they're equivalent in power, but in the cores. I should note I am running Win 8 64 bit (as before with the GTX 260).yonyz

HAHAHA HOW ARE THEY EQUIVALENT IF ONE IS HALF

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#29 yonyz
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[QUOTE="yonyz"]Obiwan, I did not install CCC, just the driver from AMD's site. And the game run faster but wither lowest settings, not High or Ultra. C_Rule, I didn't mean they're equivalent in power, but in the cores. I should note I am running Win 8 64 bit (as before with the GTX 260).NailedGR

HAHAHA HOW ARE THEY EQUIVALENT IF ONE IS HALF

One 2500K core = one i5 661 core. Happy now? I'm still working on getting Win 7 installed, and also updated to beta ATI driver on Win 8. Will post back with updates later.
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[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="yonyz"]Obiwan, I did not install CCC, just the driver from AMD's site. And the game run faster but wither lowest settings, not High or Ultra. C_Rule, I didn't mean they're equivalent in power, but in the cores. I should note I am running Win 8 64 bit (as before with the GTX 260).yonyz

HAHAHA HOW ARE THEY EQUIVALENT IF ONE IS HALF

One 2500K core = one i5 661 core. Happy now? I'm still working on getting Win 7 installed, and also updated to beta ATI driver on Win 8. Will post back with updates later.

No, that's not how it works. They are not equal. The 2500K is much more powerful in a core to core comparison.

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[QUOTE="NailedGR"]

[QUOTE="yonyz"]Obiwan, I did not install CCC, just the driver from AMD's site. And the game run faster but wither lowest settings, not High or Ultra. C_Rule, I didn't mean they're equivalent in power, but in the cores. I should note I am running Win 8 64 bit (as before with the GTX 260).yonyz

HAHAHA HOW ARE THEY EQUIVALENT IF ONE IS HALF

One 2500K core = one i5 661 core.

Lol what, the 2500k beats it hands down!

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#32 yonyz
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Alright, but that doesn't matter now. Running Win 7 SP1 X64, here's some news: I used a tool that shows me the following info ingaame: CPU Core load for each core an each thread (2 cores x 2 threads, 4 threads overall) GPU Load FPS CPU Load is consistently above 80%, sometime reaching 92% or even 97%. GPU Load is anywhere between 48% to 95% at extreme cases. You'd think it's a CPU bottleneck (and aybe it is) but there are occasions where FPS drops from a nice 48-75 to as low as 20 FPS, even midflight which doesn't reneder that much anyway, while the CPU load is around 85% and the GPU load is around 50%. So the CPU Cores aren't completely being used, so why does the GPU decide to settle for just 50% load, resulting in a sluggish 20FPS?
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[QUOTE="yonyz"]Alright, but that doesn't matter now. Running Win 7 SP1 X64, here's some news: I used a tool that shows me the following info ingaame: CPU Core load for each core an each thread (2 cores x 2 threads, 4 threads overall) GPU Load FPS CPU Load is consistently above 80%, sometime reaching 92% or even 97%. GPU Load is anywhere between 48% to 95% at extreme cases. You'd think it's a CPU bottleneck (and aybe it is) but there are occasions where FPS drops from a nice 48-75 to as low as 20 FPS, even midflight which doesn't reneder that much anyway, while the CPU load is around 85% and the GPU load is around 50%. So the CPU Cores aren't completely being used, so why does the GPU decide to settle for just 50% load, resulting in a sluggish 20FPS?

Thats exactly Cpu bottleneck. 85% usage is still high for Cpu to conclude is a cpu bottleneck. Even at demanding tasks such as video encoding a cpu will not remain at 99% usage all the time at times it will drop to 90-95% usage Try a game such as metro 2033 thats highly Gpu depended and you will see 6950 difference compared to gtx 260 is night and day
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#34 yonyz
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Oh well. What CPU can I get for a 1156 socket mobo? Is there even a quad core for this weird socket that no one uses?
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#35 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="yonyz"]Oh well. What CPU can I get for a 1156 socket mobo? Is there even a quad core for this weird socket that no one uses?

Well if you can find the i5 750/760's they are still good cpu. Dont expect though to see any performance improvements in majority of games though . Only a number of games that can take advantage 4 cores you will decent improvement . Of course a plus side is that a decent quad core such as the i5 760 will last you more than the dual core All this of course if you can find those cpu's at a decent price. Anything over $120-130 isnt worth it and is better to save $100 more and get a latest gen i5 with a compatible mobo
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#36 yonyz
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Found i760 for 200 USD. :D i750 is another 40 bucks. Guess I'll stick to my current CPU until I really, really need a quad core. I must admit, I used to have a Q6600 with GTS 250 1GB, and I saw a huge improvement switching to i5 661 with GTX 260. I guess for most games, at least now, 2x3.33Ghz is better than 4x.2.4Ghz.
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I'm using a 6950 2GB and BF3 runs on ultra settings at 40-60 fps depending on action. Difference is, I have a Quad Core overclocked to 3.0 ghz (the old Q6600) and an 800 W Corsair PSU (not that it matters that much.) but still. your cpu is not enough.
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I wonder, will I be better off with a Q6600 OC'd? I still have mine with its mobo and Hyper 212 cooling, I guess I can take it back from my brother and give him mine. :D
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Wow. My son runs that game with a Phenom x 3 and a 6850 , yet he has no issues running it on high. He does run into some slowdown when putting it on Ultra, especially on the big maps though.
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#40 yonyz
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Look at the graph here, it shows similar performance with many different CPUs, including a dual core Athlon 2 CPU and a dual core i3 2120: http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-performance/page7.html Explanation? :D
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My MSI 2GB 6950 could run BF3 on the high preset at 60FPS

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#42 yonyz
Member since 2008 • 651 Posts
Well I found out about that benchmark I linked to earlier, it's the single player only, not the MP. So I launched the Going Hunting single player mission and it runs beautifully on AUTO settings (HBAO, Ultra textures, POST AA HIGH, another 16X, and everything else HIGH). Knowing that BF3 loves cores, many and fast ones, I know my GPU is fine. I'm currently leading the bid on an 2500K, hopefully I win it. :D
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#43 red12355
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I hope you're getting a new mobo to go with it, because it won't fit in the one you have now.
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#44 yonyz
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Yes of course.
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#45 hofuldig
Member since 2004 • 5126 Posts

Quite frankly it is you CPU hands down. when you said you were still getting bad FPS no matter what video setting (low/med/high) i could instantly tell it was the bottleneck

The fact of the matter is BF3 is very CPU intense and is designed to take advantage of 4 or more full cores (hyperthreads dont really help) the reason you saw an improvement with your newer CPU from your Q6600 is because the games you were playing take advantage of only 1 or 2 cores (threads) therefor the higher CPU clock and newer CPU yielded better performance.

Its this simple and i have seen no one awnser like this dont know why though its pretty obvous.

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#46 yonyz
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Well let's hope I win that i5 2500K eBay auction. :D
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#47 shearMario
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CPU like many have said will cause such erratic changes in FPS, with a better CPU you should get much smoother performance. also you could do with a higher wattage PSU.
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#48 yonyz
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It's a good 450W PSU, some reviews said it goes as high as 570 Watts. Then again, it's very old, but I only need 400W for an HD6950.
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#49 ndawgdrake
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Turn your AA to low.
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#50 Decko5
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What are your CPU temps?