King's Bounty - Hype Thread :P (GS Review inside)

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#101 naval
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Well the GS review is finally out 8.0

Forget about looking at King's Bounty: The Legend as a sequel to an oldie-but-goodie and take it on its own merits. Anyone with the nostalgia gene who played the original might get a special thrill out of this sequel coming along almost 20 years later, but you don't need a connection to this cIassic to enjoy this impressive take on the traditional tactical RPG. GS
Personally once again the review seems pretty stupid.

Lets see the two cons :-

(1) No innovation = Wtf :O :O , when almost 80% of games feature no innovation (cod4 for ex), they never mention it there

(2) No multipllayer : Double WTF :O :O It's a rpg for god sakes and not a TBS strategy game, which of the recent rpgs had a multiplayer ?

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#102 GPAddict
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Well the GS review is finally out 8.0 [QUOTE="GS"]Forget about looking at King's Bounty: The Legend as a sequel to an oldie-but-goodie and take it on its own merits. Anyone with the nostalgia gene who played the original might get a special thrill out of this sequel coming along almost 20 years later, but you don't need a connection to this cIassic to enjoy this impressive take on the traditional tactical RPG. naval

Personally once again the review seems pretty stupid.

Lets see the two cons :-

(1) No innovation = Wtf :O :O , when almost 80% of games feature no innovation (cod4 for ex), they never mention it there

(2) No multipllayer : Double WTF :O :O It's a rpg for god sakes and not a TBS strategy game, which of the recent rpgs had a multiplayer ?

I would give it an 8.5 at least but ya this game is definately great!

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#103 naval
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[QUOTE="naval"]

Well the GS review is finally out 8.0 [QUOTE="GS"]Forget about looking at King's Bounty: The Legend as a sequel to an oldie-but-goodie and take it on its own merits. Anyone with the nostalgia gene who played the original might get a special thrill out of this sequel coming along almost 20 years later, but you don't need a connection to this cIassic to enjoy this impressive take on the traditional tactical RPG. GPAddict

Personally once again the review seems pretty stupid.

Lets see the two cons :-

(1) No innovation = Wtf :O :O , when almost 80% of games feature no innovation (cod4 for ex), they never mention it there

(2) No multipllayer : Double WTF :O :O It's a rpg for god sakes and not a TBS strategy game, which of the recent rpgs had a multiplayer ?

I would give it an 8.5 at least but ya this game is definately great!

well i would give it around 8.8, the cons seem to be very lame, isn't it ? I can come up with 10 better cons than this :P
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#104 teardropmina
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[QUOTE="GPAddict"][QUOTE="naval"] Personally once again the review seems pretty stupid.

Lets see the two cons :-

(1) No innovation = Wtf :O :O , when almost 80% of games feature no innovation (cod4 for ex), they never mention it there

(2) No multipllayer : Double WTF :O :O It's a rpg for god sakes and not a TBS strategy game, which of the recent rpgs had a multiplayer ?

naval

I would give it an 8.5 at least but ya this game is definately great!

well i would give it around 8.8, the cons seem to be very lame, isn't it ? I can come up with 10 better cons than this :P

conisdering the scores Oblivion and Mass Effect get, KB:tL should get a 9 at the very least.

and yes, the cons are very contrived, especially the no multiplayer one.

GS's PC game reviews, esepcially of PC exclusive, should not be taken seriously.

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#105 F1_2004
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The reviews from the russian mags are all likely inflated since the developer is russian, that's why the russians are giving it at least a 9/10.

As for the game, I sort of agree with GS, based on playing the demo. Those cons aren't a list of the reasons the game lost 2 points/10. They're just there to point out things missing. "Solid gameplay based on a traditional tactical RPG formula" pretty much describes this game, solid but not amazing, and definitely nothing fresh.

Everytime I play these games, I find myself going back to Heroes of Might and Magic 3 and giving that badboy another playthrough. It's like all of these games try to imitate the old stuff and fall short of the real deal. Can't wait to see how Akella butcher Disciples 3 :(

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#106 dnuggs40
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So um...how can this game be a heroes rip off if it was created before heroes? Boggles the mind...

Decent score...I think it deserved better, but whatever. For an unknown game like this from a russian developer to get an 8 I guess is a testament to the game's quality as it is.

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#107 naval
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The reviews from the russian mags are all likely inflated since the developer is russian, that's why the russians are giving it at least a 9/10.F1_2004
or maybe translation was better in russian version etc
It's like all of these games try to imitate the old stuff and fall short of the real deal. Can't wait to see how Akella butcher Disciples 3 :( F1_2004
Well I already see it being butchered. As far as I remember they removed the Disciples type position based battle screen and introduced a grid based battle screen like heroes. I was pretty dissapointed as the battle screen of Disciples made it really different and unique for other TBS games
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#108 dnuggs40
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I am glad they updated the discipes battle screen...was a bit too old school. Loved disciples II but the limitations of the battle screen made every battle practically the same.
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#109 naval
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I am glad they updated the discipes battle screen...was a bit too old school. Loved disciples II but the limitations of the battle screen made every battle practically the same.dnuggs40
maybe ...i felt it made it different, now it could be another heroes clone, but if it's implemented nicely I don't really mind that much :P Akella better not mess up this and Jagged Alliance 3 , they would pay very heavily if they do :P
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#110 dnuggs40
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I have high hopes...especially after KB: The Legend was so good. I know different developer, but it seems these EU developers are really on a roll lately.
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#111 GPAddict
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Hey since Russian brides are so good, why wouldn't computer games be good too. :)
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#112 dnuggs40
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Hey since Russian brides are so good, why wouldn't computer games be good too. :)GPAddict
That is completely incorrect lol... I have a friend who got a russian bride...let me tell you of the nightmare this guy has been through lol.
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#113 Baranga
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Actually, about the only fair negative comment you could make about King's Bounty is that there isn't really anything new here. Just about everything feels like a rip-off of Heroes of Might and Magic.

Wat:|

And about the derivative comment, all I can say is this:

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/02/kings-bounty-my-zombie-wife-the-belt-odoom/

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2008/10/13/still-consumed-by-kings-bounty/

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#114 KiroLM
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Considering how few of this style of games we get, I think the discussion of wether this is too much like or precedes HOMM is kind of silly. Unless one of the drawbacks of Starcraft was that you collected resources just like in the Warcraft : Orcs and Humans game, or that every FPS seems to have a shotgun.

Anywho, played this game for a while. The difficulty curve kind of surprised me (Meaning I got my butt handed to me a few times before I got back into the groove of things. Hurray for ramping up the difficulty for first playthroughs) but it was really refreshing. Loved it :)

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Well I already see it being butchered. As far as I remember they removed the Disciples type position based battle screen and introduced a grid based battle screen like heroes. I was pretty dissapointed as the battle screen of Disciples made it really different and unique for other TBS gamesnaval
Yeah I can't believe they did that. If I wanted a Heroes game, I'd play a Heroes game :|
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Well I already see it being butchered. As far as I remember they removed the Disciples type position based battle screen and introduced a grid based battle screen like heroes. I was pretty dissapointed as the battle screen of Disciples made it really different and unique for other TBS gamesnaval

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's butchered without playing it first, but yes, I am slightly disappointed that they decided to change the battle system and turn it into Heroes. I loved the small, close-up battles in Disciples II and I also think its "limitations" made it deliciously tactical.

As for King's Bounty reviews, it's generally recieved better in Europe than in America which makes sense when you think about it. However, GameSpot still gave it a great score.

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#117 Baranga
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As for King's Bounty reviews, it's generally recieved better in Europe than in America which makes sense when you think about it.

UpInFlames

Why do you think so, because it's Russian or because of the cultural differences?

I grew up reading and re-reading a book of Russian fairy tales, which had fantastic illustrations:

... and was filled with tales that have the same weird, spooky but funny styIe as King's Bounty:

They carried the skull into the best room, and there the skull's eyesockets glared at the stepmother and her daughters so fiercely that they were burnt with fire. They tried to hide from the skull, but wherever they ran the glare of the eyesockets followed them and found them. By the morning they were burnt into cinders.
But the fire did not harm Vassilisa. In the morning she took the skull and buried it in the ground, and a crimson rose bush sprang up in the spot where she buried it.

Grandfather looked out of the window,
watched, and said to Grandmother:
"Well, wife, we sit here looking at the neighbor's children in our old age,"
"Let's you and I go out and build a snowman too."
And the old lady became merry as well.
"Well, let's go, Grandfather, onto the street."
"but why build a snowman, when I already have you?"
"Let's build a daughter, Snyegurochka!" (Snow Maiden)

No sooner said than done!
The old people went out into the garden and began to build a daughter.
They used two deep blue beads for eyes,
made two dimples in her cheeks,
and a piece of red ribbon for her mouth.
How good, their snow daughter, Snyegurochka.
Grandmother and grandfather looked and looked at her,
they loved her, and couldn't take their eyes off of her.

All of a sudden Snyegurochka's mouth began to smile,
her hair began to curl.

Alien and Matrix references aside, for me, playing King's Bounty feels like living in that book.

Oh and Russian fairy tales >>>>>>>>>> Brothers Grimm and Tolkien.

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#118 GPAddict
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Oh yeah, I just remembered the one thing I didn't like about the game.

You cant create a female character, but other than that great game as I have said before.

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#119 Nikalai_88
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I always enjoy the idiot Ivan in Russian tales. The newer TV episodes based on the old tales are suprisingly good to, about the only thing I can stand watching on Russian TV. On the other hand Russian literature is unfortunatly a bit too depressing for my tastes, I enjoy it at times but can't take it in large doses. I remmeber hearing about how in the back and white movie era they had to re-edit all the good endings for the Russian audience and turn them into sadder ones, because people would not accept the first. I think its a weird national trait, when I find myself watching some movies where its the rag-tag band vs. the evil empire I always find myself wishing that the stronger more powerful guys have to win (as they should) but never do, aghhh!
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#120 naval
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and was filled with tales that have the same weird, spooky but funny styIe as King's Bounty:

They carried the skull into the best room, and there the skull's eyesockets glared at the stepmother and her daughters so fiercely that they were burnt with fire. They tried to hide from the skull, but wherever they ran the glare of the eyesockets followed them and found them. By the morning they were burnt into cinders.
But the fire did not harm Vassilisa. In the morning she took the skull and buried it in the ground, and a crimson rose bush sprang up in the spot where she buried it.

Grandfather looked out of the window,
watched, and said to Grandmother:
"Well, wife, we sit here looking at the neighbor's children in our old age,"
"Let's you and I go out and build a snowman too."
And the old lady became merry as well.
"Well, let's go, Grandfather, onto the street."
"but why build a snowman, when I already have you?"
"Let's build a daughter, Snyegurochka!" (Snow Maiden)

No sooner said than done!
The old people went out into the garden and began to build a daughter.
They used two deep blue beads for eyes,
made two dimples in her cheeks,
and a piece of red ribbon for her mouth.
How good, their snow daughter, Snyegurochka.
Grandmother and grandfather looked and looked at her,
they loved her, and couldn't take their eyes off of her.

All of a sudden Snyegurochka's mouth began to smile,
her hair began to curl.
Baranga

interesting !! I always felt KB's sttyle of writing was pretty strange, but it seems pretty similiar to the text above, so I guess it is natural way of presentation in russian tales

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#121 kozzy1234
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Im loving Kings Bounty so far!
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#122 UpInFlames
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Why do you think so, because it's Russian or because of the cultural differences?Baranga

I just think that, generally-speaking, slower paced games such as turn-based strategy games and adventure games fare much better in Europe than in America which tends to prefer faster, more action-oriented games. Mind you, this is just a broad generalization on my part, but I believe it is still rooted in reality.

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#123 naval
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Well I always thought King's Bounty is not a very well know. but surprise surprise ... it is winning the nest strategy game of 2008 :shock: http://ve3d.ign.com/poll/236/Strategy-Game-of-the-Year/c2 On second thoughts it may be some people who voted multiple times. (Don't look at me, I voted only once :P and not for King's Bounty)