let me tell you why NEVER TO BUY A DELL!!!!!!

I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the following

CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07

Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!

LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:o

I'm pretty sure that just about anywhere would do the same thing. They just charge you for putting it together, and the convience factor.giraffe176

Let's also not forget how Dell use cheap parts that fail quickly.yian

anyway, now I know that for gaming, dells are a waste of money, time, and space cuz you cant hardly upgrade them when you need to

Man, these Dell bashing thread are really getting very old.

So you figured Dell is more expensive than building your own. Congratulations, you win the prize.

What exactly is your point? That Dell is more expensive than building it yourself? Assuming your time building and supporting your own PC is worthless, then yes, this is true. Why are you beating this dead horse?

For some of us, our time is very valuable. I'd rather spend it doing something else. So $2-300 for saving me the trouble of assembling it and a good warranty are worth it. Now it is I who is beating another dead horse.

See what you made me do? Poor horse... :roll:

Man, these Dell bashing thread are really getting very old.

So you figured Dell is more expensive than building your own. Congratulations, you win the prize.

What exactly is your point? That Dell is more expensive than building it yourself? Assuming your time building and supporting your own PC is worthless, then yes, this is true. Why are you beating this dead horse?

For some of us, our time is very valuable. I'd rather spend it doing something else. So $2-300 for saving me the trouble of assembling it and a good warranty are worth it. Now it is I who is beating another dead horse.

See what you made me do? Poor horse... :roll:

ZBoater

plus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here

And don't forget the propriety motherboards. Yuck.madrocketeer

There is nothing wrong with a proprietary motherboard if it works well and does what its supposed to. If you can build a PC with a proprietary motherboard, yet upgrade all the other components (like memory, video, hard drives, etc.) and still score 17800 on 3DMark06, what exactly is "yucky" about it?

No, you cannot swap the motherboard with another one off the shelf. This is true. And if this is something you wanted to do, then no, Dell is not a good choice. However, if swapping out your motherboard is not high in your list of priorities, then there is no problem. For the next 4 years anything happens to my motherboard, Dell sends me a new one, and a tech to install it for me while I go outside to play with my dog. Sweet.

[QUOTE="madrocketeer"]And don't forget the propriety motherboards. Yuck.ZBoater

There is nothing wrong with a proprietary motherboard if it works well and does what its supposed to. If you can build a PC with a proprietary motherboard, yet upgrade all the other components (like memory, video, hard drives, etc.) and still score 17800 on 3DMark06, what exactly is "yucky" about it?

No, you cannot swap the motherboard with another one off the shelf. This is true. And if this is something you wanted to do, then no, Dell is not a good choice. However, if swapping out your motherboard is not high in your list of priorities, then there is no problem. For the next 4 years anything happens to my motherboard, Dell sends me a new one, and a tech to install it for me while I go outside to play with my dog. Sweet.

I didn't think dells were THIS much more expensive. I thought they'd be about the same considering that the parts in the spreadsheet were a lot better, I didnt think that the dell would cost over 250$ more

plus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here

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When you are dealing with a $250 difference, every little detail counts, like discounts, shipping, warranty, anti-virus software, tax, etc. These comparisons leave all these little details out.

I am not arguing that Dells are more expensive. What I am saying is that when its time to buy, you are either going to build one because you can (or want to) or you are not, and a few bucks difference is not going to matter. General statements like "NEVER BUY A DELL" completely ignore the users intent, interests and capabilities. Dell are perfectly good choices for SOME people, and not for others. What these threads do is bring out the uninformed bias out of the woodwork and comments like "Dell is crap for gaming", or "Dell is crap", yadda yadda yadda, a lot of this from folks who probably never owned a Dell and are just parroting what they read.

Sorry for the rant. Didn't mean it against you personally. :D

[QUOTE="353535355353535"]I didn't think dells were THIS much more expensive. I thought they'd be about the same considering that the parts in the spreadsheet were a lot better, I didnt think that the dell would cost over 250$ more

plus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here

ZBoater

When you are dealing with a $250 difference, every little detail counts, like discounts, shipping, warranty, anti-virus software, tax, etc. These comparisons leave all these little details out.

I am not arguing that Dells are more expensive. What I am saying is that when its time to buy, you are either going to build one because you can (or want to) or you are not, and a few bucks difference is not going to matter. General statements like "NEVER BUY A DELL" completely ignore the users intent, interests and capabilities. Dell are perfectly good choices for SOME people, and not for others. What these threads do is bring out the uninformed bias out of the woodwork and comments like "Dell is crap for gaming", or "Dell is crap", yadda yadda yadda, a lot of this from folks who probably never owned a Dell and are just parroting what they read.

Sorry for the rant. Didn't mean it against you personally. :D

[QUOTE="ZBoater"][QUOTE="353535355353535"]I didn't think dells were THIS much more expensive. I thought they'd be about the same considering that the parts in the spreadsheet were a lot better, I didnt think that the dell would cost over 250$ more

plus, this kind of thread is rare, considering I actually displayed the numbers here

353535355353535

When you are dealing with a $250 difference, every little detail counts, like discounts, shipping, warranty, anti-virus software, tax, etc. These comparisons leave all these little details out.

I am not arguing that Dells are more expensive. What I am saying is that when its time to buy, you are either going to build one because you can (or want to) or you are not, and a few bucks difference is not going to matter. General statements like "NEVER BUY A DELL" completely ignore the users intent, interests and capabilities. Dell are perfectly good choices for SOME people, and not for others. What these threads do is bring out the uninformed bias out of the woodwork and comments like "Dell is crap for gaming", or "Dell is crap", yadda yadda yadda, a lot of this from folks who probably never owned a Dell and are just parroting what they read.

Sorry for the rant. Didn't mean it against you personally. :D

I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the following

CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07

Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!

LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:o

353535355353535

You forgot to include the LCD monitor in your build. :|

ZBoater is right. Everyone already knew about this.

Was it necessary to make a topic?

[QUOTE="giraffe176"]I'm pretty sure that just about anywhere would do the same thing. They just charge you for putting it together, and the convience factor.353535355353535

Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)

353535355353535

No it doesn't - that would mean your +12v rail alone supports over 850w of power. Do your electrical math again, or even just read the sticker on the side of the power supply - it clearly states that its +12v, 3.3v, and 5v rails combined cannot all be more than 580w fully loaded, up to 155w of which can be 3.3v and 5v alone, which leaves you with around 420w or so, or about 35w on the +12v rail. Of course, odds are against those two rails being fully loaded - but still, assuming no load on the 3.3v and 5v rails whatsoever (a nearly impossible scenario), that's still less than 50w of power available on the +12v rail.

[QUOTE="353535355353535"]

Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)

RayvinAzn

No it doesn't - that would mean your +12v rail alone supports over 850w of power. Do your electrical math again, or even just read the sticker on the side of the power supply - it clearly states that its +12v, 3.3v, and 5v rails combined cannot all be more than 580w fully loaded, up to 155w of which can be 3.3v and 5v alone, which leaves you with around 420w or so, or about 35w on the +12v rail. Of course, odds are against those two rails being fully loaded - but still, assuming no load on the 3.3v and 5v rails whatsoever (a nearly impossible scenario), that's still less than 50w of power available on the +12v rail.

[QUOTE="353535355353535"]

I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the following

CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07

Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!

LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:o

Wesker776

You forgot to include the LCD monitor in your build. :|

ZBoater is right. Everyone already knew about this.

Was it necessary to make a topic?

it has 4 12V rails with 18 amps each353535355353535

Which means each individual rail can support up to 18a by itself - so if you've got a very heavy 17a load on +12v1 you'll be fine, as long as the other three rails are not similarly loaded. However, this power is not additive - those 18a are theoretical, not how much they can all support at the same time. Watts = Volts * Amps. Do the math yourself, you can clearly see how those things can be misleading.

[QUOTE="353535355353535"] it has 4 12V rails with 18 amps eachRayvinAzn

Which means each individual rail can support up to 18a by itself - so if you've got a very heavy 17a load on +12v1 you'll be fine, as long as the other three rails are not similarly loaded. However, this power is not additive - those 18a are theoretical, not how much they can all support at the same time. Watts = Volts * Amps. Do the math yourself, you can clearly see how those things can be misleading.

I think we get the point already. Computers from OEM are more expensive than building it yourself which is only normal and the gap is larger as you use higher end stuff. How else do you think those companies can make a profit?

[QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="353535355353535"]

I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the following

CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07

Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!

LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:o

353535355353535

You forgot to include the LCD monitor in your build. :|

ZBoater is right. Everyone already knew about this.

Was it necessary to make a topic?

...you got the tower by itself?

[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="Wesker776"][QUOTE="353535355353535"]

I just put together a spreadsheet calculating how much it would cost for me to build a system with the following

CPU: Intel Core 2 duo E6600
Case: Rosewill ATX Mid tower with side panel window
Power supply: 600 Watt OCZ StealthXStream PSU (remember, it has a total of 72 amps on the 12V rail)
Motherboard: Gigabyte P35 based mobo supporting up to 8GB of memory with DDR21066 supported
Memory: 2GB Geil DDR2800 (PC2-6400) dual channel mode
Hard drive: 320MB SATA Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM hard drive (do they come with the databurst cache?)
DVD drive: 20X DVD-RW with dual layer write capability and bundled DVD burning software
Video card: 320 MB Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS
Operating system: Windows XP professional
That comes to a total of: $1176.07

Now, the same thing from dell (no peripherals) but with a few major differences
1: instead of the memory being DDR2 800, it was DDR2 667
2: rather than 20X DVD burner, it is a 16X DVD burner without bundled software
3: instead of an 8800 GTS, it has an 8600GTS
Now for the total: $1408!!!!!!

LIFE LESSON #2 FROM 3535353535: DONT BUY A DELL:o:o:o:o

Wesker776

You forgot to include the LCD monitor in your build. :|

ZBoater is right. Everyone already knew about this.

Was it necessary to make a topic?

...you got the tower by itself?

oh. well, it can still power an 8800 GTX right?353535355353535

[QUOTE="353535355353535"]oh. well, it can still power an 8800 GTX right?RayvinAzn