Lol @ the Diablo 3 haters

[QUOTE="testament1"]

2: Real Money AH

Okay...so Diablo 3 was already going to have people paying money for gear...so all the AH does is allow for people to actually turn their time spent in a video game into money. I could understand people complaining about this if the real money AH was the ONLY option...but it's not. I have a feeling that most people are going to use their weekly free AH listings on the real currency AH, then put everything else on the in game currency AH.....big deal.

This isn't an MMO...who cares if someone bought their gear? All this does is add options to players...if you don't like it, don't use it...but please stop crying over such a non-issue.

3: D3 is being "consolized"

This complaint stems from PC elitists, nothing more. There's absolutely nothing about the Diablo franchise that has to be "dumbed down" for consoles...nothing. In fact, Diablo on the PS1 was an awesome game...why can't D3 be the same? Just another thing for people to complain about.

kaealy

So buying your gear to use in the arena environment, getting an unfair advantage is a non issue now? It does indeed effect me even if I don't use the AH, if there's people with too much money that could easily hand pick the best gear available.

To my knowledge with Diablo 3, you can just have four active abilites at one given time. This screams casualization because it's surely made with the consoles 4 main buttons in mind.

People have been buying gear and characters in Diablo 2 for years now. Nothing will change.

Four active abilities was a change to the gameplay design to go along with the changes in their ability trees and other back-end changes they are making to character development. If you've actually followed the development of the game you would know that, not just spout consolization.

Blizzard didn't want to make Diablo 2 just Diablo 2 with new graphics. They wanted to change a lot of the mechanics which hampered gameplay. Remember spending 15-20 hours on a character, getting them to level 50, only to find out you didn't put your stats in the right spots and you didn't level up the proper skills? That sucks. They are trying to change that so you can actually play the game how you want and be effective instead of having to follow a guide on how to build a proper x cIass character with y and z weapons.

[QUOTE="testament1"]

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I'm still yet to read a justifiable reason from the apologists about the always online. It's not part of the game design It's not preventing cheating further It's obtrusive It allows Blizzard to determine when you play the game It restricts the game you purchased, with full singleplayer capabilities completely It encourages piracy It cuts your game if you drop Apologists who are happy to complain about Ubisoft but fawn over BlizzardSilverSignal

All of the issues you just listed equals NOT A BIG DEAL.

If it works like DIablo 2 you won't lose much of any progress at all. I have a hard time believing their going to change that really good system they had for Diablo 2.

It's also obvious they are moving the game to a sole multiplayer focus. They are building in many more community features straight into the game like the AH, friends lists, and all of that so it's apart of the experience, not some framework that the game sits on like previous Diablo games.

[QUOTE="kingdmx22"]

You are supposed to play the game YOU BOUGHT whenever you want to!So if you have a laptop and travel or a storm or some electrical problems mess your connection you sit and wait.The problem with Ah is that when you find a rare item the first thing that runs through your head is should i keep it or should i sell it?this thing right here messes up real bad the fun from playing this game.

Mograine

You guys are gravedigging for your own point.

If everyone has that problem, noone will buy anything from the RMAH and only focus on selling. You can figure out what would happen then.

It's a problem already :))

1: Must be Online all the time-

Who cares about this...honestly? Everyone has access to some sort of internet...even dial up would work for this. This is the silliest thing I've ever heard complained about honestly.testament1

Not to mention, those who don't have working internet connections (I know a few) won't be able to play the game at all.

Not to mention, those who don't have working internet connections (I know a few) won't be able to play the game at all.Morrdecai

Bummer, looks like some of your friends are going to miss out on all those awesome "achievements" and some super groovy social-networking integration (because we all know how important that stuff is in a GAME). On the bright side, at least there are a slew of other hack 'n slash RPGs coming out so the non-lotus eaters will still be able to get their click-click-click fix.

Grim Dawn keeps looking more and more interesting especially after I read this quote from one of the developers, "I think we're probably unique just in the sense that, while most studios are redesigning their games to be more casual-player friendly, we're busy making Grim Dawn more complex and probably casual-player hostile."

Sounds great to me. Now, if they could only hook up with My Space they might just be on to something.... :P

Don't forget Path of Exile, which is 100% free for the full content of the game (single and multi), they only way the devs get support is with ethical microtransactions (silly stuff like unique animations, like the Team fortress 2 hats, only no buffs).

Just look at this game, they should call this Diablo III... (still can't believe me eyes, the art is amazing)

http://youtu.be/6mjrpNrxOAQ

http://youtu.be/qBNFmQYKzo4

Don't forget Path of Exile, which is 100% free for the full content of the game (single and multi), they only way the devs get support is with ethical microtransactions (silly stuff like unique animations, like the Team fortress 2 hats, only no buffs).

Just look at this game, they should call this Diablo III... (still can't believe me eyes, the art is amazing)

http://youtu.be/6mjrpNrxOAQ

http://youtu.be/qBNFmQYKzo4

Bros89

wow! that's what I 'm talking about! This is what I expected diablo 3 to look like, not the cartoony art it is now!

So I guess that's it then, it's Grim Dawn, Torchlight 2 and Path of Exile for me. :D

And before the blizzard rabid defense force starts flaming, I think diablo 3 will be great, but I am not digging the drm and stupid auction house, so I am passing on the game. Blizzard aint paying me to be a fanboy to defend all their crap. (plus I never touched the online component of D1, D2. Don't really give a flying 'you know what')

the thing i really like about diablo 3 is the new runestone i think this pretty cool what they have done with i been fan of diablo series since 2001 . people have there own opinion about the gameand some are disappointednew auction house. i been on this site forum for about two years and some of them dont agree with some of the new stuff in the game here is link to website diablo.incgamers.com

[QUOTE="testament1"]

2: Real Money AH

Okay...so Diablo 3 was already going to have people paying money for gear...so all the AH does is allow for people to actually turn their time spent in a video game into money. I could understand people complaining about this if the real money AH was the ONLY option...but it's not. I have a feeling that most people are going to use their weekly free AH listings on the real currency AH, then put everything else on the in game currency AH.....big deal.

This isn't an MMO...who cares if someone bought their gear? All this does is add options to players...if you don't like it, don't use it...but please stop crying over such a non-issue.

3: D3 is being "consolized"

This complaint stems from PC elitists, nothing more. There's absolutely nothing about the Diablo franchise that has to be "dumbed down" for consoles...nothing. In fact, Diablo on the PS1 was an awesome game...why can't D3 be the same? Just another thing for people to complain about.

kaealy

So buying your gear to use in the arena environment, getting an unfair advantage is a non issue now? It does indeed effect me even if I don't use the AH, if there's people with too much money that could easily hand pick the best gear available.

To my knowledge with Diablo 3, you can just have four active abilites at one given time. This screams casualization because it's surely made with the consoles 4 main buttons in mind.

I'm still yet to read a justifiable reason from the apologists about the always online. It's not part of the game design It's not preventing cheating further It's obtrusive It allows Blizzard to determine when you play the game It restricts the game you purchased, with full singleplayer capabilities completely It encourages piracy It cuts your game if you drop Apologists who are happy to complain about Ubisoft but fawn over Blizzardskrat_01

Like I said in another thread, who the heck cares about the DRM!

The auction house is the real problem.

So getting your gear through having 40 more hours a week to play than someone else and playing in a competitive environment is a non issue aswell? its a big hypocrisy. Birdy09

No, that's life.

Some people have more time to play games, deal with it. Not everything is always going to be equal nor should it be. This whole notion that someone is entitled to the same rewards as somebody else without putting in the actual effort is ridiculous. I'd like to be a writer but I don't actually want to write a book -- I want somebody else to do the work and I'll sign my name to it.

There is absolutely no reason to keep up with the jones' in a game unless it's your own ego compelling you to do so. The person who has played the game and found the rare drop has earned it, the person buying the item is simply riding the coat-tails of other in a vain attempt at stoking his or her own ego.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] So getting your gear through having 40 more hours a week to play than someone else and playing in a competitive environment is a non issue aswell? its a big hypocrisy. -wildflower-

No, that's life.

Some people have more time to play games, deal with it. Not everything is always going to be equal nor should it be. This whole notion that someone is entitled to the same rewards as somebody else without putting in the actual effort is ridiculous. I'd like to be a writer but I don't actually want to write a book -- I want somebody else to do the work and I'll sign my name to it.

There is absolutely no reason to keep up with the jones' in a game unless it's your own ego compelling you to do so. The person who has played the game and found the rare drop has earned it, the person buying the item is simply riding the coat-tails of other in a vain attempt at stoking his or her own ego.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] So getting your gear through having 40 more hours a week to play than someone else and playing in a competitive environment is a non issue aswell? its a big hypocrisy. -wildflower-

No, that's life.

Some people have more time to play games, deal with it. Not everything is always going to be equal nor should it be. This whole notion that someone is entitled to the same rewards as somebody else without putting in the actual effort is ridiculous. I'd like to be a writer but I don't actually want to write a book -- I want somebody else to do the work and I'll sign my name to it.

There is absolutely no reason to keep up with the jones' in a game unless it's your own ego compelling you to do so. The person who has played the game and found the rare drop has earned it, the person buying the item is simply riding the coat-tails of other in a vain attempt at stoking his or her own ego.

First time I actually agree with one of your posts.

Path of Exile for me please. 8)

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] So getting your gear through having 40 more hours a week to play than someone else and playing in a competitive environment is a non issue aswell? its a big hypocrisy. Birdy09

No, that's life.

Some people have more time to play games, deal with it. Not everything is always going to be equal nor should it be. This whole notion that someone is entitled to the same rewards as somebody else without putting in the actual effort is ridiculous. I'd like to be a writer but I don't actually want to write a book -- I want somebody else to do the work and I'll sign my name to it.

There is absolutely no reason to keep up with the jones' in a game unless it's your own ego compelling you to do so. The person who has played the game and found the rare drop has earned it, the person buying the item is simply riding the coat-tails of other in a vain attempt at stoking his or her own ego.

Of course! Precisely why this sort of stuff should stay out of video games. You focus so deeply on one word from his post that you completely disregard the rest of it. People often are entitled to rewards in real life without putting any effort into it. That's life too! Some people do get rewarded by putting their name on other people's work and collecting all the rewards, because they can. Doesn't mean they should. That's why there are rules for online video games in the first place -- because people, like in real life, are cheaters!

Which is why this great 'feature' should stay out of video games.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

No, that's life.

Some people have more time to play games, deal with it. Not everything is always going to be equal nor should it be. This whole notion that someone is entitled to the same rewards as somebody else without putting in the actual effort is ridiculous. I'd like to be a writer but I don't actually want to write a book -- I want somebody else to do the work and I'll sign my name to it.

There is absolutely no reason to keep up with the jones' in a game unless it's your own ego compelling you to do so. The person who has played the game and found the rare drop has earned it, the person buying the item is simply riding the coat-tails of other in a vain attempt at stoking his or her own ego.

SkyWard20

Of course! Precisely why this sort of stuff should stay out of video games. You focus so deeply on one word from his post that you completely disregard the rest of it. People often are entitled to rewards in real life without putting any effort into it. That's life too! Some people do get rewarded by putting their name on other people's work and collecting all the rewards, because they can. Doesn't mean they should. That's why there are rules for online video games in the first place -- because people, like in real life, are cheaters!

Which is why this great 'feature' should stay out of video games.

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] The Irony. Money plays a large part in superiority in life aswell. I guess that doesnt count because its a video game. oh and, you wrong, there is reason to keep up if your into PVP .... Wont effect me because I only work 30 hours a week, so im a nice blend, but good to know i can sell the stuff I dont need if im lucky. Ofcourse the hypocrisy in your statement is that if you dont need to keep up with the Jones' then why should you care if someone bought gear hmmm?Birdy09

Of course! Precisely why this sort of stuff should stay out of video games. You focus so deeply on one word from his post that you completely disregard the rest of it. People often are entitled to rewards in real life without putting any effort into it. That's life too! Some people do get rewarded by putting their name on other people's work and collecting all the rewards, because they can. Doesn't mean they should. That's why there are rules for online video games in the first place -- because people, like in real life, are cheaters!

Which is why this great 'feature' should stay out of video games.

Yeah, well, the guys on the Blizzard forums didn't seem that pleased about the auction house. I'm sure the game will sell well, but only because it's Blizzard and their underage cult followers backing up the game.

As for the last part, I want people to play fair, whether I'm competing directly with them or not.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

Of course! Precisely why this sort of stuff should stay out of video games. You focus so deeply on one word from his post that you completely disregard the rest of it. People often are entitled to rewards in real life without putting any effort into it. That's life too! Some people do get rewarded by putting their name on other people's work and collecting all the rewards, because they can. Doesn't mean they should. That's why there are rules for online video games in the first place -- because people, like in real life, are cheaters!

Which is why this great 'feature' should stay out of video games.

SkyWard20

Yeah, well, the guys on the Blizzard forums didn't seem that pleased about the auction house. I'm sure the game will sell well, but only because it's Blizzard and their underage cult followers backing up the game.

As for the last part, I want people to play fair, whether I'm competing directly with them or not.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"][QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

Of course! Precisely why this sort of stuff should stay out of video games. You focus so deeply on one word from his post that you completely disregard the rest of it. People often are entitled to rewards in real life without putting any effort into it. That's life too! Some people do get rewarded by putting their name on other people's work and collecting all the rewards, because they can. Doesn't mean they should. That's why there are rules for online video games in the first place -- because people, like in real life, are cheaters!

Which is why this great 'feature' should stay out of video games.

SkyWard20

Yeah, well, the guys on the Blizzard forums didn't seem that pleased about the auction house. I'm sure the game will sell well, but only because it's Blizzard and their underage cult followers backing up the game.

As for the last part, I want people to play fair, whether I'm competing directly with them or not.

The fanbase for a game which came out 11 years ago, underage, really ?

There's a lot of people that don't have access to the internet all the time.

Honestly - what kind of a moron do you have to be, to think that everyone, their entire lives will have 24/7 internet?

After hurricane Ivan, we had no electricity for 2 weeks, but it was almost a month until we got our cable and internet back.

There's a lot of people that don't have access to the internet all the time.

Honestly - what kind of a moron do you have to be, to think that everyone, their entire lives will have 24/7 internet?

After hurricane Ivan, we had no electricity for 2 weeks, but it was almost a month until we got our cable and internet back.

Born_Lucky

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Look, despite what purists think there is a huge demand for everything social, and real money gambling within interactive environments (yes video games) your a vocal minority, in fact 2 people I know so far have said "makes the game sound even more interesting" in my circle while only 1 has apposed because and these are his words "Im overly competitive not fond of the idea. The fact that its completely optional, will takes years to have any kind of item saturation (if Diablo 2's system was anything to go by) its jut actually quite unfair that you are so self righteous about it. oh and, you cherry picked my post LOL, I didnt cherry pick his... I adressed more than just that actually . but my point was "Ofcourse the hypocrisy in your statement is that if you dont need to keep up with the Jones' then why should you care if someone bought gear hmmm?" .... debate that? if you dont need to keep up, why the hell does it matter that item shops are made safer and actually controlled by us? just irrational judgement.GeneralShowzer

Yeah, well, the guys on the Blizzard forums didn't seem that pleased about the auction house. I'm sure the game will sell well, but only because it's Blizzard and their underage cult followers backing up the game.

As for the last part, I want people to play fair, whether I'm competing directly with them or not.

The fanbase for a game which came out 11 years ago, underage, really ?

Diablo 2 had a very long run; it's not unreasonable to assume that the game brought in quite a few new ( underage ) fans well after its release year, but I'm referring more to their ( online ) behaviour than anything.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]I'm still yet to read a justifiable reason from the apologists about the always online. It's not part of the game design It's not preventing cheating further It's obtrusive It allows Blizzard to determine when you play the game It restricts the game you purchased, with full singleplayer capabilities completely It encourages piracy It cuts your game if you drop Apologists who are happy to complain about Ubisoft but fawn over BlizzardSkyWard20

Like I said in another thread, who the heck cares about the DRM!

The auction house is the real problem.

The funny thing is that the pirates are going to get the best version of the game.

I'm still yet to read a justifiable reason from the apologists about the always online. It's not part of the game design It's not preventing cheating further It's obtrusive It allows Blizzard to determine when you play the game It restricts the game you purchased, with full singleplayer capabilities completely It encourages piracy It cuts your game if you drop Apologists who are happy to complain about Ubisoft but fawn over Blizzardskrat_01

ummm u have to be online to make real progress in the sp on sc2...that and seriously...who actually plays diablo in single player???

Why do people care how other people get their items? Are you seriously going to suspect every well-equipped player that they're buying items? Are you doing that in Diablo 2 as well? Does it lower your enjoyment that another person enjoys the game in another way?

And have you ever heard of arbitrage?

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] So getting your gear through having 40 more hours a week to play than someone else and playing in a competitive environment is a non issue aswell? its a big hypocrisy. -wildflower-

No, that's life.

Some people have more time to play games, deal with it. Not everything is always going to be equal nor should it be. This whole notion that someone is entitled to the same rewards as somebody else without putting in the actual effort is ridiculous. I'd like to be a writer but I don't actually want to write a book -- I want somebody else to do the work and I'll sign my name to it.

There is absolutely no reason to keep up with the jones' in a game unless it's your own ego compelling you to do so. The person who has played the game and found the rare drop has earned it, the person buying the item is simply riding the coat-tails of other in a vain attempt at stoking his or her own ego.

[QUOTE="-wildflower-"]

I'm not sure which is worse, the greedy corporations chiseling away at consumer's rights or the hive-mind that stands up and cheers and rallies against their own self-interests?

/shrug

3aNkabot

Self-interests.. everyone has them on both sides of the argument.