Man I want Red Dead Redemption even more now

the last sequence of missions was mind numbingly dull and the ending was a head scratcher. i wont say anything else about it for those who haven't played it except for that i found it disappointing.

i loved the game up til about two thirds of the way through. from then onwards youve pretty much seen all the game has to offer

Id love to play it with keyboard and mouse, gamepad controls ruined the game for me and I just stoped playing.

I like it how the people designing RDR's endgame thought they were making the tutorial. The developement was such a disaster, it's a miracle the game was actually good...

Baranga

Where did you read this?the_ChEeSe_mAn2

He probably read it from this blog :-

http://blog.zerodean.com/2010/blog/to-whom-it-may-concern/

Pretty damning indictment of Rockstar if those working/business practices are to be believed. But at the end of the day anyone can do a blog so it isn't set in stone that the blog reflects reality. Although it does seem to match a lot of complaints that were raised by an anonymous letter from the programmers wives which was posted earlier this year.

EDIT :- The original blog seems to be missing now, here is a link that sums up what the original blog said :-

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2010/12/20/blogger-my-life-at-rockstar-games/

It's honestly an OK game at best. Personally I disliked it, and if it comes on PC I see no reason to pay for it again.

Hey GeneralShowzer! You're wrong dude! ME2 is like fifty bazillion times better than RD:R! It's the game of the generation! It's so good that it receives near-universal praise! Anyone who disagrees or points out flaws is merely wrong! Wrong I say! [spoiler] ... time to sit back and watch the rage. 8) :P [/spoiler]

I really do not know why people keep banging on about ME 2 in this topic. The topic is meant to be a "wish" topic that RDR comes to the PC. As a PC gamer I can say ME 2 is massively better than RDR because at least Bioware release their games on the PC unlike Rockstar that seem to quite happily neglect the biggest gaming platform on the planet.

I really do not know why people keep banging on about ME 2 in this topic. The topic is meant to be a "wish" topic that RDR comes to the PC. As a PC gamer I can say ME 2 is massively better than RDR because at least Bioware release their games on the PC unlike Rockstar that seem to quite happily neglect the biggest gaming platform on the planet.

charmingcharlie

It always turns into these things. You should see System Wars... :P

I really do not know why people keep banging on about ME 2 in this topic. The topic is meant to be a "wish" topic that RDR comes to the PC. As a PC gamer I can say ME 2 is massively better than RDR because at least Bioware release their games on the PC unlike Rockstar that seem to quite happily neglect the biggest gaming platform on the planet.

charmingcharlie

RDR sold 8 million copies, second best selling game of the year. For making such a cardinal mistake Rockstar is doing fine.

Anyway this topic was about RDR and people started saying stuff like it sucks and ME2 is way better. Which is not the case.

I'm rooting for SC II as GOTY :)

Anyway this topic was about RDR and people started saying stuff like it sucks and ME2 is way better. Which is not the case.

GeneralShowzer

Oh but it is! You hold a seemingly high opinion of your, well, opinion bro. In all seriousness, while I do believe ME2 is the better game by far, the whole deal with it/game of the gen thing is in jest. I can appreciate that people would like RD:R, although I personally don't think the game holds a candle to GTA:IV, let alone other high profile action titles this year.

RDR sold 8 million copies, second best selling game of the year. For making such a cardinal mistake Rockstar is doing fine.GeneralShowzer

At no point in my post did I indicate that "Rockstar were not doing fine". I merely indicated that they were neglecting the biggest platform on the planet and as such, since this is a PC & Mac games forum things are going to be slightly skewed in ME 2's favour since Bioware actually support the PC unlike Rockstar. Now you obviously like RDR and you think it is better than ME 2, I accept that and I am not going to waste my time trying to change your mind. Why can't you accept that some think ME 2 is better than RDR and you will not change their mind either ?

As you said this is meant to be YET ANOTHER topic about the possibility of RDR coming to the PC. So we do not need to mention ME 2 at all in this topic. If you see someone say something about ME 2 then it is best to ignore them.

As for me I don't particularly care if RDR comes to the PC, I have very little interest in the western theme. Now couple that with Rockstars crappy record of PC ports then at best RDR is a £5 steam sale purchase for me. I do not like the way Rockstar has treated the PC platform and it isn't a company I feel like throwing my money at. In fact the only reason I would possibly cheer for a port of RDR to the PC is if it meant we could stop these topics from cropping up.

[QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

I really do not know why people keep banging on about ME 2 in this topic. The topic is meant to be a "wish" topic that RDR comes to the PC. As a PC gamer I can say ME 2 is massively better than RDR because at least Bioware release their games on the PC unlike Rockstar that seem to quite happily neglect the biggest gaming platform on the planet.

GeneralShowzer

RDR sold 8 million copies, second best selling game of the year. For making such a cardinal mistake Rockstar is doing fine.

Anyway this topic was about RDR and people started saying stuff like it sucks and ME2 is way better. Which is not the case.

I'm rooting for SC II as GOTY :)

Its a very good game and MUCh better then the last GTA.

But I honestly had a little more fun with ME2 and Sc2 to be honest

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

[QUOTE="charmingcharlie"]

I really do not know why people keep banging on about ME 2 in this topic. The topic is meant to be a "wish" topic that RDR comes to the PC. As a PC gamer I can say ME 2 is massively better than RDR because at least Bioware release their games on the PC unlike Rockstar that seem to quite happily neglect the biggest gaming platform on the planet.

soldine

RDR sold 8 million copies, second best selling game of the year. For making such a cardinal mistake Rockstar is doing fine.

Anyway this topic was about RDR and people started saying stuff like it sucks and ME2 is way better. Which is not the case.

I'm rooting for SC II as GOTY :)

[QUOTE="soldine"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]

RDR sold 8 million copies, second best selling game of the year. For making such a cardinal mistake Rockstar is doing fine.

Anyway this topic was about RDR and people started saying stuff like it sucks and ME2 is way better. Which is not the case.

I'm rooting for SC II as GOTY :)

GeneralShowzer

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"][QUOTE="soldine"] No this topic was about RDR than you said that it was 20 times better than mass effect and that you couldn't see why anyone would disagree.soldine

[QUOTE="soldine"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] I didn't mention ME2 first, check again.GeneralShowzer

I wans't lying there is no exploration, besides a few random encounters that are of poor quality. RDR has a massive world to explore, better shooting mechanics, tons of NPC, way more content, hand to hand combat, various other game mechanics like Wildlife, herbs, it's just more. You can argue that ME2 is more fun, but RDR is simply more, more effort just more. It even looks better and it's an open world game. A city in ME2 is considered one room with five static NPC's waiting for you to talk to them.GeneralShowzer

I've played both and can honestly say I like ME 2 alot more. Your aparent problem is that you played ME as a dumbed down GoW. What was great about the game is the story and how it branches betwen games and different choices, smaller but significantly better written and voiced NPC's and a great overall impression and atmosphere.

Now im not saying that RDR is a bad game. Not at all. But really, better story and better characters ? Not by along shot. Unless you somehow want to go all subjective (and thats fine btw) both are good games. To say one is a milion times better that the other is biased BS.

The approach of both games is different. One is written to be a great story within a game...like watching a movie or reading a book but actually playing the events, while the other is a Action-Adventure based on a big scale. Its like saying..hey you know what..I think the Elder Scrolls series is cooler than Baldur's Gate. Simply different games.

If you consider a big empty desert to be a "big" game then have fun.

ME2 is as big as RDR? I'm done with this... And RDR soundtrack won over ME2. Go figure.GeneralShowzer

And ME2 won the best story / best voice acting / best written dialogue / Most memorable moment

All by reader's choice and not the BS that is gamespot's rankings...whats your point?

Red Dead Redemption is an incredible game. It features a fantastically-realized gameworld and saw Rockstar experiment even further with emergent gameplay. The characters are great, the story is engaging and well-written and it has one of the best video game endings of all time.

Mass Effect 2, while definitely an improvement over the original, still had serious issues. Lack of exploration was the main one. Most of the game focuses on action through extremely linear environments. There are only 4 worlds to explore - two of which are tiny (Omega, Tuchanka) and two are moderately sized (Illium, Citadel).

Unfortunately, Mass Effect 2 also brings brand new issues. There are only a few weapons in each cIass and a handful of armor/clothing upgrades. The loot is simply pitiful. Abilities have been stripped to a point where leveling up has become completely and utterly meaningless.

While learning the truth about the Collectors was interesting, there was definitely a noticeable lack of a proper villain - especially considering that the original had two. The first encounter with Sovereign is an extremely memorable moment.

Also, while the overall design has been improved, the mission design still mostly boils down to killing everything in your path through a maze of curiously placed cargo containers. There's a mission that involves helping Tali out by representing her in court which I was really excited about as it brought back fond memories of the Manaan trial and Dantooine murder mystery from Knights of the Old Republic. However, the trial lasts for about 2 minutes before being interrupted in order to redeem Tali by killing a whole bunch of geth. So disappointing. The only missions that differ are Samara's and Thane's loyalty missions.

All that said, I greatly enjoyed Mass Effect 2, couldn't stop playing it, in fact. In the end, Mass Effect 2 is a great game that mostly improves upon its predecessor, but once again falls short of its potential.

Red Dead Redemption is an incredible game. It features a fantastically-realized gameworld and saw Rockstar experiment even further with emergent gameplay. The characters are great, the story is engaging and well-written and it has one of the best video game endings of all time.

Mass Effect 2, while definitely an improvement over the original, still had serious issues. Lack of exploration was the main one. Most of the game focuses on action through extremely linear environments. There are only 4 worlds to explore - two of which are tiny (Omega, Tuchanka) and two are moderately sized (Illium, Citadel).

Unfortunately, Mass Effect 2 also brings brand new issues. There are only a few weapons in each cIass and a handful of armor/clothing upgrades. The loot is simply pitiful. Abilities have been stripped to a point where leveling up has become completely and utterly meaningless.

While learning the truth about the Collectors was interesting, there was definitely a noticeable lack of a proper villain - especially considering that the original had two. The first encounter with Sovereign is an extremely memorable moment.

Also, while the overall design has been improved, the mission design still mostly boils down to killing everything in your path through a maze of curiously placed cargo containers. There's a mission that involves helping Tali out by representing her in court which I was really excited about as it brought back fond memories of the Manaan trial and Dantooine murder mystery from Knights of the Old Republic. However, the trial lasts for about 2 minutes before being interrupted in order to redeem Tali by killing a whole bunch of geth. So disappointing. The only missions that differ are Samara's and Thane's loyalty missions.

All that said, I greatly enjoyed Mass Effect 2, couldn't stop playing it, in fact. In the end, Mass Effect 2 is a great game that mostly improves upon its predecessor, but once again falls short of its potential.

UpInFlames

@UpInFlames

I agree with most of the stuff your saying about mass effect 2 but... there are plenty of planets to explore other than just the hub planets.

Oh and I didn't think RDR's ending was that amazing, I expected it. Its happened in other games before. Also Red dead redemeption "big huge fully realized dessert" was really nothing more than a big map with a few towns sprinkled with NPC's that dont truly interact with each other like the trailers claimed.

RDR is twenty times the game ME2 is. Can't believe anyone would say otherwise.GeneralShowzer

Though I wouldn't exactly say its 20 times better because ME2. ME2 is really good. I would agree that RDR is better by a pretty good margin. Especially story wise, RDR is much better.

It was my personal GOTY. I always dreamed of a quality wild west themed open world game. There have been attempts in the past that came up short (such as Gun). But RDR hit all the vital points. Most any element you can think of that is associated with the wild west, it is included in this game. The environment is so convincingly alive, you can practically smell the smoke from the locomotive. And the story is top notch as far as these type games go. The Undead Nightmare pack was also a quality addition.

@UpInFlames

I agree with most of the stuff your saying about mass effect 2 but... there are plenty of planets to explore other than just the hub planets.

Oh and I didn't think RDR's ending was that amazing, I expected it. Its happened in other games before. Also Red dead redemeption "big huge fully realized dessert" was really nothing more than a big map with a few towns sprinkled with NPC's that dont truly interact with each other like the trailers claimed.

soldine

There are planets to scan and read about which I did find interesting, but you can't really explore said planets. If you happen to encounter a side quest, it's just a really short shoot-out with paltry rewards.

I found Red Dead Redemption's gameworld absolutely mesmerizing. The beautiful vistas (be it the rolling prairie hills, canyons, snowy mountains or the multiple desert variations) teemed with atmospheric sights and sounds. Witnessing a huge thunderstorm while riding through the tall savannah grass in the middle of the night is one of my most memorable gaming experiences ever. The sunsets are breathtaking. It features the most well-realized eco system in any game to date with a huge amount of animals that interact with one another as well as other NPC's and the player himself. The gameworld is filled with criminals or eccentrics that will offer up side quests. It's incredibly dynamic. Maybe you'll be attacked by a pack of wolves, a cougar or a bear. Maybe you'll stumble upon the army conducting a cold-blooded execution or a band of criminals hanging farmers. Maybe you'll meet a young, apparantly deluded Christian woman or a dude that wants to build a flying machine. In Red Dead Redemption, an adventure is always a short ride away.

Yeah RDR's world surely is the star of the show. They did an absolutely amazing job making feel organic and some of the vistas were truly breathtaking.

@UpInFlames

Well glad your enjoying it then, as I said I did enjoy the game but I just guess I didn't find it as special as you did. I just cant stand when people needlessly bash mass effect which IMO is a masterpiece, while I did enjoy the first better. How many times have you played through the actual single player element of RDR?

@UpInFlames

Well glad your enjoying it then, as I said I did enjoy the game but I just guess I didn't find it as special as you did. I just cant stand when people needlessly bash mass effect which IMO is a masterpiece, while I did enjoy the first better. How many times have you played through the actual single player element of RDR?soldine

I only played through it once, but I'm definitely going to play it again. I replay most of my faves, just not right away.

In Red Dead Redemption, an adventure is always a short ride away.

UpInFlames

In Red Dead Redemption, everything is a ride away. :P

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

In Red Dead Redemption, an adventure is always a short ride away.

In Red Dead Redemption, everything is a ride away. :P

i knew RDR got GOTY in the bag by the time I hooked it up, not only the original package was so great but the zombie DLC and online play is unbelievable too, no way that nerdy ME2 crap with a linear story telling and mediocre shooting mechanic came anywhere close to things RDR had to offer, I seriously think RDR's online will be the future of online games, never seen anything so beutiful and so interactive.

I'd be gladly collect a pc version if there's one, but thx god I own a 360 and ps3. and why not? is only $199.

i knew RDR got GOTY in the bag by the time I hooked it up, not only the original package was so great but the zombie DLC and online play is unbelievable too, no way that nerdy ME2 crap with a linear story telling and mediocre shooting mechanic came anywhere close to things RDR had to offer, I seriously think RDR's online will be the future of online games, never seen anything so beutiful and so interactive.

I'd be gladly collect a pc version if there's one, but thx god I own a 360 and ps3. and why not? is only $199.

GameFan1983

I really really hope you're being sarcastic.

[QUOTE="GameFan1983"]

i knew RDR got GOTY in the bag by the time I hooked it up, not only the original package was so great but the zombie DLC and online play is unbelievable too, no way that nerdy ME2 crap with a linear story telling and mediocre shooting mechanic came anywhere close to things RDR had to offer, I seriously think RDR's online will be the future of online games, never seen anything so beutiful and so interactive.

I'd be gladly collect a pc version if there's one, but thx god I own a 360 and ps3. and why not? is only $199.

bloodreaperfx

I really really hope you're being sarcastic.

no, are you?