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I was under the impression ME was always a console game. It was designed for console with console gamers in mind. Bioware never said anything to make us think otherwise. The fact it has been ported to PC at all is a big plus and if anything yet another sign PC gaming is very much alive.
Really, if you don't like consolised games why the hell buy a console port?
Why not make those things better? I don't think Bioware should be praised for stripping out features that could of been improved. it could have been done better, but I believe the limitations of the xbox 360 stopped that from happening (both hardware and user base). Remember this is a 360 game with a pc version. I don't see how the limitations of the Xbox 360 made it too difficult for them to make better side quests and better planet exploration. I'm not too bummed about the removal of the inventory system.[QUOTE="Gooeykat"][QUOTE="kevy619"] they removed nothing that was done well. They removed a pointless inventory and pointless side quests, so what is your point? There wasn't many settings you could tweak in me1 either, look into it and you will see. But if you think removing completely pointless features is horrible, then go right ahead.kevy619
ME was a console game originally, so I agree with some of the responses about this being a non-issue...
That being said, computer games are becoming "dumbed down" just like console games (and console gamers IMO).
The PC used to be a platform of more in-depth games than consoles, now we get homogenized crap that was produced for 8 button controllers.
This is the new standard, look at BFBC2, horrible consolized trash (still semi-fun). Its depressing, I feel like I might as well just buy an XBOX and play these games they were meant to be played.
[QUOTE="kevy619"]it could have been done better, but I believe the limitations of the xbox 360 stopped that from happening (both hardware and user base). Remember this is a 360 game with a pc version. I don't see how the limitations of the Xbox 360 made it too difficult for them to make better side quests and better planet exploration. I'm not too bummed about the removal of the inventory system. disk space, and more importantly the user base.[QUOTE="Gooeykat"] Why not make those things better? I don't think Bioware should be praised for stripping out features that could of been improved.Gooeykat
Oblivion was the beginning of the end BTW - I haven't felt such nerd-rage as I did when I went from Morrowind -> Oblivion.
Depressing doesn't capture the feeling. Idiocracy is taking over.
I have to agree, going from Morrowind to Oblivion was a let down.Oblivion was the beginning of the end BTW - I haven't felt such nerd-rage as I did when I went from Morrowind -> Oblivion.
Depressing doesn't capture the feeling. Idiocracy is taking over.
haberman13
[QUOTE="haberman13"]I have to agree, going from Morrowind to Oblivion was a let down.Oblivion was the beginning of the end BTW - I haven't felt such nerd-rage as I did when I went from Morrowind -> Oblivion.
Depressing doesn't capture the feeling. Idiocracy is taking over.
millerlight89
It was but i honestly dont think console's are the problem. Its just modern gaming. I played Morrowind as a console gamer, on XBOX. I was as mad as anyone at Oblivion ( thank the heavens for mods). Gaming has become mainstream, like movies and music, this includes PC games. It's just modern gaming and we have to deal with it i'm afraid.
i've heard nothing but good things about BFBC2 Beta. also ME2 was a console game from the start. PC gaming isn't dying, soon we are getting AvP, starcraft 2 (whenever that comes out), supreme commander, diablo 3, RAGE (will be the better version on PC bceause iD is actually making it not raven softworks, at least it better be), Doom 4 (same as rage), and MUCH more. stop complaining about consolized games coming to PC, it doesn't matter what game is developed on, a good game is good no matter what (case in point ME2). ME1 had texture and AA problems too due to the UE3 engine not because it is consolized. the gameplay is better now. i hated getting millions of guns, upgrades, armors, and useless crap that all feel the same and are just reskined. now everything feels unique. only problem is the choices you make never feel like they have a weight behind them (this goes for most games except for fallout 3, like with megaton)ME was a console game originally, so I agree with some of the responses about this being a non-issue...
That being said, computer games are becoming "dumbed down" just like console games (and console gamers IMO).
The PC used to be a platform of more in-depth games than consoles, now we get homogenized crap that was produced for 8 button controllers.
This is the new standard, look at BFBC2, horrible consolized trash (still semi-fun). Its depressing, I feel like I might as well just buy an XBOX and play these games they were meant to be played.
haberman13
I have to agree, going from Morrowind to Oblivion was a let down.[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="haberman13"]
Oblivion was the beginning of the end BTW - I haven't felt such nerd-rage as I did when I went from Morrowind -> Oblivion.
Depressing doesn't capture the feeling. Idiocracy is taking over.
Frozzik
It was but i honestly dont think console's are the problem. Its just modern gaming. I played Morrowind as a console gamer, on XBOX. I was as mad as anyone at Oblivion ( thank the heavens for mods). Gaming has become mainstream, like movies and music, this includes PC games. It's just modern gaming and we have to deal with it i'm afraid.
Yea it has a lot to do with modern gaming, and really no so much to do with consoles.i've heard nothing but good things about BFBC2 Beta. also ME2 was a console game from the start. PC gaming isn't dying, soon we are getting AvP, starcraft 2 (whenever that comes out), supreme commander, diablo 3, RAGE (will be the better version on PC bceause iD is actually making it not raven softworks, at least it better be), Doom 4 (same as rage), and MUCH more. stop complaining about consolized games coming to PC, it doesn't matter what game is developed on, a good game is good no matter what (case in point ME2). ME1 had texture and AA problems too due to the UE3 engine not because it is consolized. the gameplay is better now. i hated getting millions of guns, upgrades, armors, and useless crap that all feel the same and are just reskined. now everything feels unique. only problem is the choices you make never feel like they have a weight behind them (this goes for most games except for fallout 3, like with megaton)[QUOTE="haberman13"]
ME was a console game originally, so I agree with some of the responses about this being a non-issue...
That being said, computer games are becoming "dumbed down" just like console games (and console gamers IMO).
The PC used to be a platform of more in-depth games than consoles, now we get homogenized crap that was produced for 8 button controllers.
This is the new standard, look at BFBC2, horrible consolized trash (still semi-fun). Its depressing, I feel like I might as well just buy an XBOX and play these games they were meant to be played.
ironman388
While I agree that fun = fun, when you see media intentionally dumbed down to appeal to more people (I understand why of course, $) its frustrating for those of us who grew up with more depth, more control over the game world etc. to become spoon fed the console style of gaming.
My problem is that I'm smart, I like depth and intentionally complex systems, so when I see all of these "achievement" style systems where they remove the depth and control in place of amusement park style "you win Johnny, good work! Next you will go here, shoot things, and get a new achievement!" its frustrating.
ME2 with a more open world, no "completed quest" screens, a gear system, planetary exploration etc. would have been the best game ever. IMO Idiocracy is taking over, people fear depth and thinking in leiu of MW2 all action all the time type mentalities.
Agreed!Get over it Erratic. If we had more games like ME2 and less shovelware, the PC would be great.
millerlight89
[QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"][QUOTE="Aslyum_Beast"]
As far as i know, the Original Mass effect was for 360 only until about a year later. So yeah, its supposed to feel like it came from a console. think that stopped anyone from playing it? No, because its still a good game. Seriously, I love my PC and all, but people like you, TC, need to get off your high horse and understand gaming is for everyone and its not seperated by what platform you play on. What's fun is fun.
dakan45
Has nothing to do with a high horse, has to do with mindless people accepting inferior products... ME2 is just good enough rather than as good as it could be... It's streamlined with less features not because it makes the game better, but because they can get away with less and people will still buy it... No inventory system, no free planet exploration, the list goes on... The fact that the things removed weren't perfect in ME1 doesn't mean that they should be removed rather it means they should be fixed and tweaked... Instead they were stripped, and we received a lesser product...
Amen to that, thats what i am saying too. It has nothing to do with being dumbed down or not being a great game. The game itself is just fine. But i am saying exactly the same thing. The product is inferior. They remove stuff because they can get away with it and make us pay the same price for the inferior product. ME1 was a much better product on pc! they removed stuff from modern warfail 2 and charged more but your one of the bigger fanboys for that game yet your saying ME2 is removing stuff and should be less?[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="Erratic_Knight"]Amen to that, thats what i am saying too. It has nothing to do with being dumbed down or not being a great game. The game itself is just fine. But i am saying exactly the same thing. The product is inferior. They remove stuff because they can get away with it and make us pay the same price for the inferior product. ME1 was a much better product on pc! they removed stuff from modern warfail 2 and charged more but your one of the bigger fanboys for that game yet your saying ME2 is removing stuff and should be less? I wish people would stop calling it Warfail. MW2 is a good game.Has nothing to do with a high horse, has to do with mindless people accepting inferior products... ME2 is just good enough rather than as good as it could be... It's streamlined with less features not because it makes the game better, but because they can get away with less and people will still buy it... No inventory system, no free planet exploration, the list goes on... The fact that the things removed weren't perfect in ME1 doesn't mean that they should be removed rather it means they should be fixed and tweaked... Instead they were stripped, and we received a lesser product...
gunmaster55555
You have no idea what you are talking about sorry...This is pathetic imo...
It's clear that ME2 was MADE for consoles, its throws achievement messages in your face, it chops up the game into small chapters with end reports, and it strips away any freedom that pc gamers take for granted.
Hell that's why we play on PC, freedom, control and graphics. We don't get mods but we do get a stripped down port or what the devs like to call a streamlined system... Taking away freedoms/customizations/abilities/ etc, that I previously had and should still have is bull, plain and simple...
It's not streamlined; it's neutered, it's simple, and it's shallow... all facets of console games...
And companies want to know why people pirate games like this...
Erratic_Knight
[QUOTE="dakan45"]
[QUOTE="kevy619"]except the quality isnt lower in the sequel, overall its actually higher. In the end you're agreeing with the tc saying that this is a sign of the end of pc gaming, if you really think that you need to reevaluate being a pc gamer.kevy619
:roll: You have no idea what the hell i was talking about. What i said is that quality of the pc version is worse than the previous version. The gamedevelopers put less effort on the pc version than the previous game. All gamedevelopers do that and thats the reason games dont sell well to pc. But you mind is stuck on the game itself and not on the game as a product on the pc. I am not saying that "overall" ME2 is worst game than the first or the pc version is worse than the console version or god knows what else you think i am saying! What i am saying is that the pc version could have been better as a pc product but your minds are stuck on ME bein riddicusly awesome. My post in this thread has nothing to do towards hating mass effect 2 as a game. I was pointing out that the pc version is not that good (not that its bad, or its not the best, just that its not that good) Now why i did that? Because of one of the previous post in a thread that you called "missinformation" So lets not go there again!!
So yeah i need to reevaluate being a pc gamer for wanting superior capabilities on the pc version and wanting the gamedevelopers to bother more with the pc version to make it more suitable for pc crowd with various tweaks on graphics, control, ui, gameplay, etc,etc. That and there is no need to remove stuff like the invenotry and other stuff they REMOVED from mass effect 2!! But you are right, i should get the game on console instead when i wont have the ability to tweak the settings. Besides thats what bioware did, they REMOVED stuff and the ability to tweak settings;). So who knows maybe you ME2 fans are right, removing features from a game makes it better and improve the overall experiance as a game and a product!!! :lol:
they removed nothing that was done well. They removed a pointless inventory and pointless side quests, so what is your point? There wasn't many settings you could tweak in me1 either, look into it and you will see. But if you think removing completely pointless features is horrible, then go right ahead. Its just a poor argument, the game hasnt been consolized anymore than the first in the series was. Now if you were talking about mw2, id agree to an extent... but besides that game... not buying it. Nope, its just you not seeing it. Take mw2 for example, they removed lean. Thats about it, nothing consolized, neither counter strike had lean, akimbo? so did counter strike so what? No dedicated servers? So do other multiplatform games like operation flashpoint 2. But i am sure you will rush in and say now that those things should not be removed. Well done now you got a taste of how i feel and how your responses sound to me![QUOTE="Gooeykat"][QUOTE="kevy619"] it could have been done better, but I believe the limitations of the xbox 360 stopped that from happening (both hardware and user base). Remember this is a 360 game with a pc version.I don't see how the limitations of the Xbox 360 made it too difficult for them to make better side quests and better planet exploration. I'm not too bummed about the removal of the inventory system. disk space, and more importantly the user base.kevy619
This is a joke right? Oblivion and fallout 3 have much more in them so disk space is not the issue. Also kotor and dragon age are much more rpgs than mass effect yet they found a large userbase on x360!!
they removed stuff from modern warfail 2 and charged more but your one of the bigger fanboys for that game yet your saying ME2 is removing stuff and should be less? gunmaster55555
I am sorry is stoped reading when you called the biggest selling game "Fail"!!!
Therefore there is no logic in your argument.
[QUOTE="kevy619"]they removed nothing that was done well. They removed a pointless inventory and pointless side quests, so what is your point? There wasn't many settings you could tweak in me1 either, look into it and you will see. But if you think removing completely pointless features is horrible, then go right ahead. Its just a poor argument, the game hasnt been consolized anymore than the first in the series was. Now if you were talking about mw2, id agree to an extent... but besides that game... not buying it. Nope, its just you not seeing it. Take mw2 for example, they removed lean. Thats about it, nothing consolized, neither counter strike had lean, akimbo? so did counter strike so what? No dedicated servers? So do other multiplatform games like operation flashpoint 2. But i am sure you will rush in and say now that those things should not be removed. Well done now you got a taste of how i feel and how your responses sound to me![QUOTE="dakan45"]
:roll: You have no idea what the hell i was talking about. What i said is that quality of the pc version is worse than the previous version. The gamedevelopers put less effort on the pc version than the previous game. All gamedevelopers do that and thats the reason games dont sell well to pc. But you mind is stuck on the game itself and not on the game as a product on the pc. I am not saying that "overall" ME2 is worst game than the first or the pc version is worse than the console version or god knows what else you think i am saying! What i am saying is that the pc version could have been better as a pc product but your minds are stuck on ME bein riddicusly awesome. My post in this thread has nothing to do towards hating mass effect 2 as a game. I was pointing out that the pc version is not that good (not that its bad, or its not the best, just that its not that good) Now why i did that? Because of one of the previous post in a thread that you called "missinformation" So lets not go there again!!
So yeah i need to reevaluate being a pc gamer for wanting superior capabilities on the pc version and wanting the gamedevelopers to bother more with the pc version to make it more suitable for pc crowd with various tweaks on graphics, control, ui, gameplay, etc,etc. That and there is no need to remove stuff like the invenotry and other stuff they REMOVED from mass effect 2!! But you are right, i should get the game on console instead when i wont have the ability to tweak the settings. Besides thats what bioware did, they REMOVED stuff and the ability to tweak settings;). So who knows maybe you ME2 fans are right, removing features from a game makes it better and improve the overall experiance as a game and a product!!! :lol:
dakan45
Dakan, there are so many flaws in what you are thinking, I really have no clue where to begin. You seem to have really made up your mind about what a "good" PC game is and what a "console port" is based on the shallowest of reasoning. Not all good PC games have to be complex, graphical monsters that are infinitely customizable and exploit every advantage of the platform. Streamlining, or taking out elements of a game (in this case, the shoddy and convoluted inventory system) does not automatically mean that things were dumbed down in the interest of consoles.
And I'm not even going to start on how hypocritical you are arguing about this when your avatar is from a game that is practically the poster child for console-ization. A game you rated a 9.5, by the way. Was that a bad PC game, then? How about Rainbow Six Vegas 2, which you gave a 9.0? Why was the streamlining okay for these games but not okay for Mass Effect 2?
Really, Dakan...how can you expect us to take your opinions seriously, especially when you have clearly not even played the game? Either you are extremely fickle about what you believe or you are just trolling.
I absolutely feel for the TC. But the thing is, there really is no point in complaining about it. Gaming has changed, the needs of an avarage gamer have changed, and there's absoulutely nothing we can do about it. Gaming is going to the masses, the masses are mostly stupid, and this is what you get as a result. I just try to appreciate those few companies that still care for the old-school gamer. When they're gone, I'll probably stop gaming altogether.
Dakan, there are so many flaws in what you are thinking, I really have no clue where to begin. You seem to have really made up your mind about what a "good" PC game is and what a "console port" is based on the shallowest of reasoning. Not all good PC games have to be complex, graphical monsters that are infinitely customizable and exploit every advantage of the platform. Streamlining, or taking out elements of a game (in this case, the shoddy and convoluted inventory system) does not automatically mean that things were dumbed down in the interest of consoles.And I'm not even going to start on how hypocritical you are arguing about this when your avatar is from a game that is practically the poster child for console-ization. A game you rated a 9.5, by the way. Was that a bad PC game, then? How about Rainbow Six Vegas 2, which you gave a 9.0? Why was the streamlining okay for these games but not okay for Mass Effect 2?
Really, Dakan...how can you expect us to take your opinions seriously, especially when you have clearly not even played the game? Either you are extremely fickle about what you believe or you are just trolling.dos4gw82
Ok then, No all good pc games need to have lean and dedicated servers!!! I gave Obivion a 9.5 because it has alot of content and a whole lot of mods. There are so many things to do in that game. You know, interesting things with alot of detail unlike morrowind that did not even bother to have voice acting on dialogues, or polish the game a little and have quest indicators and other things that improved the gameplay. But i guess its cooler to take all those things out of the game instead of improving them like oblivion did from morrowind.
As for rainbow six vegas 2 ? I loved raven shield. I hated vegas. Vegas was lke a gears of war clone. Vegas 2 improved overally in combat and became more of a cod shooter. If it was too easy to enter a room and clear it, then all you had to do is to raise difficulity. Unlike vegas 1 that might was harder but that does not mean that it was more tactical. I remember at some point i had to tell my squad to hack someting and by the time i did one door open from infront of me and enemies 8 enemies start running and shooting and throwing grenades at me and another door opened from behind with 3 more enemies to kill me from behind! No tactics can be used here since the squad is busy hacking and i have to kill all those scripted event tons of spawning enemies by my own. Nice tactcs, vegas 2 is better. It did not have that crap. I just loaded a mp level on terrorist hunt and played on hard.
Also i have played mass effect 2, thank you very much!!
disk space, and more importantly the user base.[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="Gooeykat"] I don't see how the limitations of the Xbox 360 made it too difficult for them to make better side quests and better planet exploration. I'm not too bummed about the removal of the inventory system.dakan45
This is a joke right? Oblivion and fallout 3 have much more in them so disk space is not the issue. Also kotor and dragon age are much more rpgs than mass effect yet they found a large userbase on x360!!
hey its the difference between selling 2 million copies and 5-6 million copies, huge difference. And yes oblivion and fallout fit, yet those games recycle alot of data over and over again.[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="kevy619"] disk space, and more importantly the user base.kevy619
This is a joke right? Oblivion and fallout 3 have much more in them so disk space is not the issue. Also kotor and dragon age are much more rpgs than mass effect yet they found a large userbase on x360!!
hey its the difference between selling 2 million copies and 5-6 million copies, huge difference. And yes oblivion and fallout fit, yet those games recycle alot of data over and over again. But fallout 3 has a larger file size than mass effect plus larger maps. Mass effect 1 and 2 have loadings that used in much smaller maps than Fallout 3. Also gta iv was on the x360, which is 2 double layer dvds on the pc, so how is that possible on the "xbox 350 limitations?"Wow, Mass Effect 2 is simple and shallow? Well, I never...This is pathetic imo...
It's clear that ME2 was MADE for consoles, its throws achievement messages in your face, it chops up the game into small chapters with end reports, and it strips away any freedom that pc gamers take for granted.
Hell that's why we play on PC, freedom, control and graphics. We don't get mods but we do get a stripped down port or what the devs like to call a streamlined system... Taking away freedoms/customizations/abilities/ etc, that I previously had and should still have is bull, plain and simple...
It's not streamlined; it's neutered, it's simple, and it's shallow... all facets of console games...
And companies want to know why people pirate games like this...
Erratic_Knight
Ok then, No all good pc games need to have lean and dedicated servers!!! I gave Obivion a 9.5 because it has alot of content and a whole lot of mods. There are so many things to do in that game. You know, interesting things with alot of detail unlike morrowind that did not even bother to have voice acting on dialogues, or polish the game a little and have quest indicators and other things that improved the gameplay. But i guess its cooler to take all those things out of the game instead of improving them like oblivion did from morrowind.
Morrowind did not "bother" to have voice actors for diologes because A.) There was a lot more dialoge than in Oblion and B.) Because DVD ROM was not standard for games in that time. The game would have had to come on ten or more disks.
Also, I have no clue how you could see how Morrowind wasn't polished. Quest markers are hardly "polish;" they could have been included in the game, but they clearly handled it in a way that would encourage exploration. Also, you don't mention anything about all of the skills that were taken out of the game, the level scaling, the simpler story, or the console-esque GUI. Start a poll right now. See how many people think that Oblivion really added more than it took away.
As for rainbow six vegas 2 ? I loved raven shield. I hated vegas. Vegas was lke a gears of war clone. Vegas 2 improved overally in combat and became more of a cod shooter. If it was too easy to enter a room and clear it, then all you had to do is to raise difficulity. Unlike vegas 1 that might was harder but that does not mean that it was more tactical. I remember at some point i had to tell my squad to hack someting and by the time i did one door open from infront of me and enemies 8 enemies start running and shooting and throwing grenades at me and another door opened from behind with 3 more enemies to kill me from behind! No tactics can be used here since the squad is busy hacking and i have to kill all those scripted event tons of spawning enemies by my own. Nice tactcs, vegas 2 is better. It did not have that crap. I just loaded a mp level on terrorist hunt and played on hard.
dakan45
Dakan, you're missing the point. You point to changes in Mass Effect 2 that you don't like and then trying to convince us that these changes were done in the interest of the console version. Yet you give games that have been drastically affected by the transition to consoles high scores. Why is this such a problem for you in only with certain games?
Here's an idea: Maybe it's because you just don't like the game? If so, say that. That's fine. But don't try to give your opinion more weight by saying that the changes you don't like were done in the interest of making the game more friendly to consoles. If you enjoyed Oblivion enough to give it a 9.5, RSV2 enough to give it a 9.0, and Dead Space enough to give it a 9.0, then it's obvious that it is not an important issue for you.
Dakan, you're missing the point. You point to changes in Mass Effect 2 that you don't like and then trying to convince us that these changes were done in the interest of the console version. Yet you give games that have been drastically affected by the transition to consoles high scores. Why is this such a problem for you in only with certain games?Here's an idea: Maybe it's because you just don't like the game? If so, say that. That's fine. But don't try to give your opinion more weight by saying that the changes you don't like were done in the interest of making the game more friendly to consoles. If you enjoyed Oblivion enough to give it a 9.5, RSV2 enough to give it a 9.0, and Dead Space enough to give it a 9.0, then it's obvious that it is not an important issue for you.dos4gw82
Brother you are missing the point. I have said before that my recent statments on mass effect have nothing to do with the console version or that its not a great game. Infact i am pointing out that the pc version had les effort put into than the previous (Just like mw2) and that they remove stuff instead of improving them. That does not have to do with the console or the pc fanbase, it has to do with bioware removing stuff and not improving them. (anyway they improved the combat so i guess thats definelty something). Now you ask whats the fuzz all about? Nothing serious just an argument i had on another thread about ME1 pc version as a product being a bit inferior than ME2. The other user said that no one has said that. So when i found this thread i just pointed out that someone actually made that statement and there are other people who agree in this thread. But i guess you guy missunderstood me and took it as an act of hate towards ME2!
So ill say it again, its a better game, a bit more simple and the pc version has a bit less effort put into than the first.
As for oblivion? I dont see whats wrong with it. It has better graphics on pc and can be moded from back and forth. Only thing that i can complain about is lame inventory, but as you see in Fallout 3 did not "improve" it by removing it!!!;)
Anyway i still like having an inventory and being able to switch through weapons and use them all just like fallout 3, is that bad?
As for RSV2, i am a cod and rainbow six fan. When those games where connected i went crazy just like fallout 2 and oblvion which are my favorite rpgs. I went crazy for fallout 3!! Only problem with RSV2 is the bad optimazation that people talk about but i never experianced it since i played the game on a very good rig.
As for dead space? I never had any issues with the mouse aiming that people pointed out. Infact i thought it was closer to system shock than bioshock is. Also dead space has an invenory and more rpg elements, i enjoyed the compaign more than bioshock and i even dare to say that i had more aiming issues with bioshock and rainbow six vegas 1 (Not vegas 2) than i had with dead space which controlled perfectly for me. I dont really see how dead space was more consolized and simplified and dumbdown than bioshock. I guess people had issues with the 3rd person not working well on pc, but i had no issues but it was just fine for me!
But anyway thats my experiance!
Nope, its just you not seeing it. Take mw2 for example, they removed lean. Thats about it, nothing consolized, neither counter strike had lean, akimbo? so did counter strike so what? No dedicated servers? So do other multiplatform games like operation flashpoint 2. But i am sure you will rush in and say now that those things should not be removed. Well done now you got a taste of how i feel and how your responses sound to me![QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="kevy619"] they removed nothing that was done well. They removed a pointless inventory and pointless side quests, so what is your point? There wasn't many settings you could tweak in me1 either, look into it and you will see. But if you think removing completely pointless features is horrible, then go right ahead. Its just a poor argument, the game hasnt been consolized anymore than the first in the series was. Now if you were talking about mw2, id agree to an extent... but besides that game... not buying it.
dos4gw82
Dakan, there are so many flaws in what you are thinking, I really have no clue where to begin. You seem to have really made up your mind about what a "good" PC game is and what a "console port" is based on the shallowest of reasoning. Not all good PC games have to be complex, graphical monsters that are infinitely customizable and exploit every advantage of the platform. Streamlining, or taking out elements of a game (in this case, the shoddy and convoluted inventory system) does not automatically mean that things were dumbed down in the interest of consoles.
And I'm not even going to start on how hypocritical you are arguing about this when your avatar is from a game that is practically the poster child for console-ization. A game you rated a 9.5, by the way. Was that a bad PC game, then? How about Rainbow Six Vegas 2, which you gave a 9.0? Why was the streamlining okay for these games but not okay for Mass Effect 2?
Really, Dakan...how can you expect us to take your opinions seriously, especially when you have clearly not even played the game? Either you are extremely fickle about what you believe or you are just trolling.
Dont feed the troll bud :P
Dont feed the troll bud.He says ME2 is consolized and trashes it, yet he thinks Oblivion and COD4 are some of the best games ever. If you want to talk about consolized games then COD4, Oblivion and Operation Flashpoint2 are the definition imo.
He also uses review scores and user scores to justify Oblivion and COD4, yet when it comes to using reviews for ME2 or a game he hates he shrugs it off, makes no sense at all.
A game getting great reviews from every reviewer doesnt matter if its a game he hates, kind of wierd to me, im not the only one that has noticed thiskozzy1234
If you bother to read my last post you would see that you judge me wrong. But the real troll is you that dont even bother to read my explanation. You just make assumptioms and agree with someone that i already responded on his questions, let alone the fact that you should ask me instead of tell crap to another person, If you got something regarding me, then you should ask me and not make foolish assumptions!
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