Monitor Advice.

Hey guys so i've been looking at getting a new Monitor recently and I narrowed it down to these 2 and I wanted some opinions on which is the better one.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+23%26%2334%3B+Widescreen+LED+Monitor/3706239.p?id=1218428704344&skuId=3706239#tab=overview

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Asus+-+23%22+LCD+Monitor+-+Black/6377821.p?id=1218731165219&skuId=6377821#tab=specifications

Bare in mind i'm not buying them from Bestbuy those are just the links I had on hand. Also bare in mind the 2nd on is actually listed has an IPS display on Amazon/Newegg.

2nd one

No point buying a 60hz TN.

Either go IPS or 120hz TN

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+23%26%2334%3B+Widescreen+Flat-Panel+IPS+LED+HD+Monitor/6814943.p;jsessionid=B02AC2B69DF875EF8103B9A6A1E9E4E4.bbolsp-app05-07?id=1218807855013&skuId=6814943&st=2340&cp=1&lp=1

I got this. They were going for $140 @frys last month. Should be able to get close to that price you hunt.

I have this, pretty cheap for glossy ips, 1/2 inch borders give or take.

No point buying a 60hz TN.

Either go IPS or 120hz TN

kraken2109

[QUOTE="kraken2109"]

No point buying a 60hz TN.

Either go IPS or 120hz TN

FelipeInside

Did Jakes just hacked you?

120hz FTW big difference. see it before you judge. AMAZING i have a 120hz monitor

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="kraken2109"]

No point buying a 60hz TN.

Either go IPS or 120hz TN

Bikouchu35

Did Jakes just hacked you?

No, its an honest question cause im thinking of buying a 120hz FelipeInside

Whoops must of fell asleep there.

I suppose is the go to monitors if you are really competitive with fps. I am assuming certain crazy people would drop settings, vsync, etc to lessen the lag and to gain an edge in fps. I did do that for bf3 mp. I am not too crazy with that though, so I switch to plain jane 60hz ips for the pretty colors and black colors already blow chunks against my old TNs.

I keep hearing IPS has input lag.FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Why 120Hz if ur PC doesn't go past 40-50fps?FelipeInside

Did Jakes just hacked you?

TN and IPS panels have the same input lag - or rather, theres no correlation between input lag and panel types.

IPS panels tend to have slower response time.

Input lag is based on the monitor's electronics and how quickly it will process a signal from the video card before its gives itself the command to update. Input lag has nothing to with the panel and its based entirely on the monitor's circuitry.

Response time is how quickly does a monitor shift colors (after its been told to update itself). IPS panels tend to have slower response times....Except this isn't an issue. Ghosting and other response time artifacts havent been an issue for several years from any modern monitor. Aggressive RTC (Response Time Compensation) techniques allow monitors to overdrive the panels with short surges of voltage in order to drive a panel's refresh quicker. No manufacturer actually states the real response time because its nearly impossible to calculate due to RTC.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Bikouchu35"]

Did Jakes just hacked you?

kraken2109

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] No, its an honest question cause im thinking of buying a 120hz _SKatEDiRt_

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

_SKatEDiRt_

Unless you desktop is playing a 120FPS animated wallpaper, 120hz has nothing to do with how good your desktop looks.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

Byshop

Unless you desktop is playing a 120FPS animated wallpaper, 120hz has nothing to do with how good your desktop looks.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

kraken2109

Unless you desktop is playing a 120FPS animated wallpaper, 120hz has nothing to do with how good your desktop looks.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="kraken2109"][QUOTE="Byshop"]

Unless you desktop is playing a 120FPS animated wallpaper, 120hz has nothing to do with how good your desktop looks.

-Byshop

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

Byshop

Unless you desktop is playing a 120FPS animated wallpaper, 120hz has nothing to do with how good your desktop looks.

-Byshop

I beg to differ seeing as i own a 120hz monitor. do you? maybe your not using dual dvi? bottom line if you are that concerened you should go and have a look at a 120hz monitor yourself. and im not talking about a 120hz simulated HDTV im talking about TRUE 120hz using dual DVI. oh and you need to change your refresh rate on your desktop in windows properties. when i am dragging a window across the screen i can still see what it says like you could with an old CRT

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="kraken2109"] Less screen tearing and input lag. 120hz will offer similar image quality to 60hz since they're tn panels, so the only reason to buy 60hz is if you are desperate to save money, although IPS are good value now depending on how serious you find the input lag. Most are fine though.FelipeInside

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

My dad has that monitor for his work. the difference between his and mine is night and day, mine kicks ***

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

_SKatEDiRt_

My dad has that monitor for his work. the difference between his and mine is night and day, mine kicks ***

Honestly I dont really care for the 3d i think its garbage i just love the refresh rate:roll:

I beg to differ seeing as i own a 120hz monitor. do you? maybe your not using dual dvi? bottom line if you are that concerened you should go and have a look at a 120hz monitor yourself. and im not talking about a 120hz simulated HDTV im talking about TRUE 120hz using dual DVI. oh and you need to change your refresh rate on your desktop in windows properties. when i am dragging a window across the screen i can still see what it says like you could with an old CRT

_SKatEDiRt_

Dragging a window probably does look better, but you said that "even looking at the desktop is EYE GASM". If you think your desktop looks better because of 120hz then you are mistaken. Static images are in no way affected by 120hz.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I beg to differ seeing as i own a 120hz monitor. do you? maybe your not using dual dvi? bottom line if you are that concerened you should go and have a look at a 120hz monitor yourself. and im not talking about a 120hz simulated HDTV im talking about TRUE 120hz using dual DVI. oh and you need to change your refresh rate on your desktop in windows properties. when i am dragging a window across the screen i can still see what it says like you could with an old CRT

Byshop

Dragging a window probably does look better, but you said that "even looking at the desktop is EYE GASM". If you think your desktop looks better because of 120hz then you are mistaken. Static images are in no way affected by 120hz.

-Byshop

Again. I own the monitor so i would know. I think you should go check one out and then come back and tell us what you saw Instead of talking bad on something that you've obviously never seen in person. Instead of the desktop being refreshed 60 times per second its refreshed 120 times per second. makes a big difference especially with aero. Althought i think the 120hz technology is quite overpriced. should be made the standard. maybe it will save our vision when we're older :P

Again. I own the monitor so i would know. I think you should go check one out and then come back and tell us what you saw Instead of talking bad on something that you've obviously never seen in person. Instead of the desktop being refreshed 60 times per second its refreshed 120 times per second. makes a big difference especially with aero. Althought i think the 120hz technology is quite overpriced. should be made the standard. maybe it will save our vision when we're older :P

_SKatEDiRt_

You're missing the point and you don't appear to understand how refresh works in LCD monitors. The refresh rate in an LCD is indeed how many times the redrawn from a video signal standpoint, but LCDs have persistant image. If you were describing a CRT, you'd be absolutely correct. In a CRT the image is flashed onto the screen at a rate of 60 times per second or (preferably) more. The image on an LCD is persistent between refreshes. Each pixel is a physical unit in the display that simply stays -on-, so refresh rate becomes a function of how fast the image can change but it doesn't in any way affect a staic image.

I'm not saying your static desktop doesn't look better than it did on your previous, non 120hz monitor. I'm sure it looks much better. However, that has nothing to do with the fact that your monitor is 120hz. It has to do with the overall quality of the panel and other factors unrelated to 120hz.

-Byshop

No point buying a 60hz TN.

Either go IPS or 120hz TN

kraken2109

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Again. I own the monitor so i would know. I think you should go check one out and then come back and tell us what you saw Instead of talking bad on something that you've obviously never seen in person. Instead of the desktop being refreshed 60 times per second its refreshed 120 times per second. makes a big difference especially with aero. Althought i think the 120hz technology is quite overpriced. should be made the standard. maybe it will save our vision when we're older :P

Byshop

You're missing the point and you don't appear to understand how refresh works in LCD monitors. The refresh rate in an LCD is indeed how many times the redrawn from a video signal standpoint, but LCDs have persistant image. If you were describing a CRT, you'd be absolutely correct. In a CRT the image is flashed onto the screen at a rate of 60 times per second or (preferably) more. The image on an LCD is persistent between refreshes. Each pixel is a physical unit in the display that simply stays -on-, so refresh rate becomes a function of how fast the image can change but it doesn't in any way affect a staic image.

I'm not saying your static desktop doesn't look better than it did on your previous, non 120hz monitor. I'm sure it looks much better. However, that has nothing to do with the fact that your monitor is 120hz. It has to do with the overall quality of the panel and other factors unrelated to 120hz. when i look at a 60hz screen now they all look choppy

-Byshop

Yes I do know how refresh rates with lcds work. of course you cannot tell the difference just staring at it. you have to windows key tab to use aero or move the cursor or even scroll down a webpage with the mousewheel. even the movement of the cursor is smooth. buttery smooth. once again until you see one for yourself no point in saying im wrong. I will never go back to a 60hz monitor unless im forced to by an apacolypse or something

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Again. I own the monitor so i would know. I think you should go check one out and then come back and tell us what you saw Instead of talking bad on something that you've obviously never seen in person. Instead of the desktop being refreshed 60 times per second its refreshed 120 times per second. makes a big difference especially with aero. Althought i think the 120hz technology is quite overpriced. should be made the standard. maybe it will save our vision when we're older :P

_SKatEDiRt_

You're missing the point and you don't appear to understand how refresh works in LCD monitors. The refresh rate in an LCD is indeed how many times the redrawn from a video signal standpoint, but LCDs have persistant image. If you were describing a CRT, you'd be absolutely correct. In a CRT the image is flashed onto the screen at a rate of 60 times per second or (preferably) more. The image on an LCD is persistent between refreshes. Each pixel is a physical unit in the display that simply stays -on-, so refresh rate becomes a function of how fast the image can change but it doesn't in any way affect a staic image.

I'm not saying your static desktop doesn't look better than it did on your previous, non 120hz monitor. I'm sure it looks much better. However, that has nothing to do with the fact that your monitor is 120hz. It has to do with the overall quality of the panel and other factors unrelated to 120hz. when i look at a 60hz screen now they all look choppy

-Byshop

Yes I do know how refresh rates with lcds work. of course you cannot tell the difference just staring at it. you have to windows key tab to use aero or move the cursor or even scroll down a webpage with the mousewheel. even the movement of the cursor is smooth. buttery smooth. once again until you see one for yourself no point in saying im wrong. I will never go back to a 60hz monitor unless im forced to by an apacolypse or something

2 Days to go.... :P

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

You're missing the point and you don't appear to understand how refresh works in LCD monitors. The refresh rate in an LCD is indeed how many times the redrawn from a video signal standpoint, but LCDs have persistant image. If you were describing a CRT, you'd be absolutely correct. In a CRT the image is flashed onto the screen at a rate of 60 times per second or (preferably) more. The image on an LCD is persistent between refreshes. Each pixel is a physical unit in the display that simply stays -on-, so refresh rate becomes a function of how fast the image can change but it doesn't in any way affect a staic image.

I'm not saying your static desktop doesn't look better than it did on your previous, non 120hz monitor. I'm sure it looks much better. However, that has nothing to do with the fact that your monitor is 120hz. It has to do with the overall quality of the panel and other factors unrelated to 120hz. when i look at a 60hz screen now they all look choppy

-Byshop

FelipeInside

Yes I do know how refresh rates with lcds work. of course you cannot tell the difference just staring at it. you have to windows key tab to use aero or move the cursor or even scroll down a webpage with the mousewheel. even the movement of the cursor is smooth. buttery smooth. once again until you see one for yourself no point in saying im wrong. I will never go back to a 60hz monitor unless im forced to by an apacolypse or something

2 Days to go.... :P

hahahahahahahaa

Yes I do know how refresh rates with lcds work. of course you cannot tell the difference just staring at it. you have to windows key tab to use aero or move the cursor or even scroll down a webpage with the mousewheel. even the movement of the cursor is smooth. buttery smooth. once again until you see one for yourself no point in saying im wrong. I will never go back to a 60hz monitor unless im forced to by an apacolypse or something

_SKatEDiRt_

If you already knew it didn't apply to static images then why did you spend the last 3 posts arguing with me? :lol:

Did you just now look this up and realize I'm right? :P

-Byshop

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Yes I do know how refresh rates with lcds work. of course you cannot tell the difference just staring at it. you have to windows key tab to use aero or move the cursor or even scroll down a webpage with the mousewheel. even the movement of the cursor is smooth. buttery smooth. once again until you see one for yourself no point in saying im wrong. I will never go back to a 60hz monitor unless im forced to by an apacolypse or something

Byshop

If you already knew it didn't apply to static images then why did you spend the last 3 posts arguing with me? :lol:

Did you just now look this up and realize I'm right? :P

-Byshop

It does apply to static images. once you drag them across the screen. either way you look at it a 120hz display is a different breed

It looks better, just get one_SKatEDiRt_

Lol, well now I'm convinced. :P

I know what a 120hz display looks like, but I have to work on my monitors and not just game. For extended viewing, IPS are easier on the eyes.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

It looks better, just get oneByshop

Lol, well now I'm convinced. :P

I know what a 120hz display looks like, but I have to work on my monitors and not just game. For extended viewing, IPS are easier on the eyes.

-Byshop

i cannot tell the difference with the eyes

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I Agree. I have a 120hz screen and even looking at the desktop is an EYE GASM. trust me. go see for yourself tho

Byshop

Unless you desktop is playing a 120FPS animated wallpaper, 120hz has nothing to do with how good your desktop looks.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

It looks better, just get oneByshop

Lol, well now I'm convinced. :P

I know what a 120hz display looks like, but I have to work on my monitors and not just game. For extended viewing, IPS are easier on the eyes.

-Byshop

how can it possibly be hard on your eyes

eitherway, I'd never get a non 120hz display if I was ever buying one. Everything is significantly smoother, and if you play any FPS, it makes a huge difference in MP. A lot less about prediction, and easier to track.

i cannot tell the difference with the eyes

_SKatEDiRt_

OMG I TOTALLY KNOW CUZ I OWN IPS MONITORS.... :lol: j/k

Color reproduction and viewing angles are way better, and in multimonitor configurations good viewing angle significantly reduces eye strain. While I don't see a huge difference in the picture (except moving images, obviously), I can feel the diffence in headaches and eyestrain at the end of the day. On my TN panel monitors, by the time I got to the end of a workday I just wanted to close my eyes and lay down. With all IPS monitors I feel fine, and in fact will continue to sit at my desk to get some gaming in.

But then again, this is my desk:

Three 27" 2560x1440 monitors and one 24" 1920x1200.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="Byshop"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

It looks better, just get oneJigglyWiggly_

Lol, well now I'm convinced. :P

I know what a 120hz display looks like, but I have to work on my monitors and not just game. For extended viewing, IPS are easier on the eyes.

-Byshop

how can it possibly be hard on your eyes

eitherway, I'd never get a non 120hz display if I was ever buying one. Everything is significantly smoother, and if you play any FPS, it makes a huge difference in MP. A lot less about prediction, and easier to track.

are you old or something

how can it possibly be hard on your eyes

eitherway, I'd never get a non 120hz display if I was ever buying one. Everything is significantly smoother, and if you play any FPS, it makes a huge difference in MP. A lot less about prediction, and easier to track.

JigglyWiggly_

Staring at anything for 12-14 hours a day will strain your eyes, particularly if that thing is backlit. I'm an IT Systems Engineer and I spend a -lot- of time on the computer, particuarly when I'm working from home.

I agree that 120hz is better for gaming, but I don't agree that they are better for every type of use.

-Byshop

And Bishop, ur getting eye strain cause ur using 4 monitors at a time, lol.... Doctors say 2 Monitor is normally more than enough for the human brain to digest.FelipeInside

I had to work my way up to four monitors. I was only running two TN panels at first and I replaced them with two 24" IPS panels. Night and day difference.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"]And Bishop, ur getting eye strain cause ur using 4 monitors at a time, lol.... Doctors say 2 Monitor is normally more than enough for the human brain to digest.Byshop

I had to work my way up to four monitors. I was only running two TN panels at first and I replaced them with two 24" IPS panels. Night and day difference.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] are you old or something

how can it possibly be hard on your eyes

eitherway, I'd never get a non 120hz display if I was ever buying one. Everything is significantly smoother, and if you play any FPS, it makes a huge difference in MP. A lot less about prediction, and easier to track.

Byshop

Staring at anything for 12-14 hours a day will strain your eyes, particularly if that thing is backlit. I'm an IT Systems Engineer and I spend a -lot- of time on the computer, particuarly when I'm working from home.

I agree that 120hz is better for gaming, but I don't agree that they are better for every type of use.

-Byshop

I understand dude but it really is doing you bad. I too work as a Network Engineer, and even though I could use a third monitor (currently use 2), I make myself efficient with just two. A few months back we had a specialist come into our office and analyze it. He was shocked to see most people were using 3 monitors, even 2. He explained that the brain only really processes one monitor at a time, and even can push itself to 2 monitors, but 3 or more is just bad for the body.FelipeInside

Nah, it's not like I'm sitting back in my chair and trying to look at all four simultaneously. Typically I'm working in a full screen RDP session on the center 27", an adjacent 27" has Outlook 2013 running fullscreen and another one has a browser window I'm using for reference. The 24" on the far left usually has a TV show on in the background.

-Byshop

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"] are you old or something

how can it possibly be hard on your eyes

eitherway, I'd never get a non 120hz display if I was ever buying one. Everything is significantly smoother, and if you play any FPS, it makes a huge difference in MP. A lot less about prediction, and easier to track.

Byshop

Staring at anything for 12-14 hours a day will strain your eyes, particularly if that thing is backlit. I'm an IT Systems Engineer and I spend a -lot- of time on the computer, particuarly when I'm working from home.

I agree that 120hz is better for gaming, but I don't agree that they are better for every type of use.

-Byshop

Or I could just go back to this:

-Byshop

Or I could just go back to this:

-Byshop

Byshop

haha you psycho! :O

i can sit on my computer all day eat two quarterpounders 20 nuggets and still be fine i duno how i'm still 130lbs and my eyes feel great JigglyWiggly_

Some sort of eyesight enhancing tapeworm would be my guess.

-Byshop

haha you psycho! :O

_SKatEDiRt_

How else could I play 5 monitor Batman? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbQXClc1ljI

-Byshop