More proof that Dragon Age 2 will be awesome.

[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"] The Witcher felt really good and thought out.

It didn't feel like a rehash from every fantasy cliche in the last thirty years.

FelipeInside

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="Makari"] Having read the books, it felt like the world itself was very careful inclusion of every single fantasy creature in the past 30 years - the conversation with Geralt attempting to guess what sort of vampire somebody was in the second book kind of reminded me of that. The way they used the world was fairly non-cliche though, I suppose?therancors

Lol... Today I received a copy of the second Witcher book. Still waiting for the first one, I ordered them before Christmas.

Are the books good? Did they come out before or after the game?FelipeInside

And yeah, I liked the two books that I did read quite a bit if you like that kind of thing - I found them both in a used bookstore; the blood of elves and something else whose name evades me.

The latter actually had a blow by blow of the fight that became the game's intro cutscene - it made some of the stuff in the cutscene make a LOT more sense (i.e. that chain Geralt nailed the monster with was *silver*, and thus painful to the monster's touch, thus being tangled/caught in the chain was very bad for the monster; that Geralt spent the entire fight observing the monster's rage and learning to absorb it so that he could turn the negative energy back on it to scare it off; that the princess spent so long being the monster it took her mind a while to return back to being human = the immediate attack on him despite her appearing 'cured').

Fun books though, especially coming from having played and loved the game already. :) Basically lots of Geralt roaming around being Geralt, lots of the gloomy 'there is no right decision' mood the game imparted, interspersed with lots of Geralt roaming wrecking monsters and occasionally humans.

I thought Drakensang voice acting was ATROCIOUS....FelipeInside

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"][QUOTE="ElBuro"]

Oh gee, again we'z gonna save the world from the army of evil that wants to destroy the world for no particular reason and we as a stereotypical chosen one, utilising magic in its most stereotypic sense, archaic gameplay and items of such a ridiculous design it is hard to tell wether its an armor you wear or a garbage container. Oh gee, it's not like we played it for last 14 years of exactly same quasi medieval fantasy RPGs... *yaaaaawns* What a joyride this gonna be... woohooo! *Yawns with certain dose of sarcasm* I just can't wait for this most original game!

All that served with mediocre graphics that try to pose as dark and violent because every time you step on a mouse you find your whole team painted red like they just took a shower in tomato soup.

Now that's a grand fun!

OH! Yeah but we can have a sex scene with character voiced by Claudia Black! I bet this game's gonna recive 9.5/10 long before it's even released, not to mention all the hyped fanboys, or 'objective reviewers' working for portals where Bioware buys out every possible advetisment space! Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

ElBuro

nope.... dont get it at all. dragon age's world and lore are very well developed and fairly unique IMO... yes they use dragons and elves and magic, but in a very different way, and in a very different social structure. it takes more than watching a few videos to know what some games are all about.... i forgive you for clearly not doing your research and just making assumptions.Roland123_basic

Ow how how how :3 I see I pinched a fanboy where it hurts. It's funny that when fanboy is hurt, or it's subject of obsession is attack, he imidetly assume the attacker must have never played a game, because he refused to draw same ammount of pleasure of it, or draw anything posotive at all... or dares to have a different opinion, oh snap! :D

I forgive you that you haven't played any other RPGs in your life, perhaps then you'd have something to compare DA to, and see it's as unique as another Steven Seagal action movie among his other action movies.

That's sadly where the truth is, I bet that DA is one of few RPGs you played, if you played any other of the genere, what I honestly doubt. It's like with sex... when one has no comparison, his only girl he/she(let's be openminded, DA surely is :P) will be considered best and amazing!

Unless you live convinced that all that it takes to create unique world, lore and characters is to change their "names". Than yeah... You nailed it :D In that perspective DA is like the most original game ever!

elves and magic, but in a very different way, and in a very different social structure.

LOL You clearly haven't played other RPGs... Arcanum, the Witcher, Eye of the Beholder series (ant those I played in mid 90's! daaamn!) The list can go on and your arguments will be invalid, not because I have a pancake on my head, but because you haven't played other RPGs...

Of course there is other option, to which I presume you'd try to fit, in order to deffend yourself, and you'll try to convince me you actualy played whole lot of RPGs, but this kind of setting is fine with you... but in that case I'm sorry for you, lad. I don't get you... I also don't get people who like to spend hours looking at a brick wall as their prime mean of entertainment, but heck, guess a man has his needs.

[QUOTE="ElBuro"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] i recommend you remove your sig before you are modded. also.... why bother posting in a thread about an RPG when you are clearly not a fan of RPGs? seems like a waste of your time, and ours.SkyWard20

Dragon Age 2? Enjoy your unmotivating, boring grey in grey world, dumbed down console friendly controls, a stripped skill system, in fact a stripped almost everything BUT IN TURN hacking and slashing like there's no tomorrow and oceans of blood everywhere so 12yrold kiddies think its kewl and manlee and 1337. In fact it'll be exactly the same BS as Skyrim, just on a slightly better engine.Turbobutts

Yes , because Bioware clearly said that there will be no skills in DA2 , right ? oh and yea , we all know everything about skyrim so we are able to compare those games ? suuuure...

[QUOTE="Turbobutts"]Dragon Age 2? Enjoy your unmotivating, boring grey in grey world, dumbed down console friendly controls, a stripped skill system, in fact a stripped almost everything BUT IN TURN hacking and slashing like there's no tomorrow and oceans of blood everywhere so 12yrold kiddies think its kewl and manlee and 1337. In fact it'll be exactly the same BS as Skyrim, just on a slightly better engine.kazakauskas

Yes , because Bioware clearly said that there will be no skills in DA2 , right ? oh and yea , we all know everything about skyrim so we are able to compare those games ? suuuure...

Ugly graphics + Linear paths am comfirmed.

GeneralShowzer

Looks like Half Life 2 on medium settings. I'm not stretching it, i just re-played the Ravenholm part. I got no problem playing 90's or 80's games, since i have logically normal expectations from them (other graphic whores don't, but they aren't using their logic or common sense, f* them).

But for a current gen, big budget game, it isn't normal. Would have fully understood if it were some obscure company with a low budget, but lol Bioware.

Oh well, mods will bring it to the level of Crysis, no problem, anyway.

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

[QUOTE="Turbobutts"]Dragon Age 2? Enjoy your unmotivating, boring grey in grey world, dumbed down console friendly controls, a stripped skill system, in fact a stripped almost everything BUT IN TURN hacking and slashing like there's no tomorrow and oceans of blood everywhere so 12yrold kiddies think its kewl and manlee and 1337. In fact it'll be exactly the same BS as Skyrim, just on a slightly better engine.therancors

Yes , because Bioware clearly said that there will be no skills in DA2 , right ? oh and yea , we all know everything about skyrim so we are able to compare those games ? suuuure...

Yeeeee Even more cookie cutter builds.

Players: Bioware there is a problem with the abilities... alot of them are not unique/powerful/have any uses... How will you improve and fix this for DA2?

Bioware: Well... We decided to remember most of the spells. But hey now you can give the spells more range or larger area and so on! =/

[QUOTE="therancors"]

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

Yes , because Bioware clearly said that there will be no skills in DA2 , right ? oh and yea , we all know everything about skyrim so we are able to compare those games ? suuuure...

KalDurenik

Yeeeee Even more cookie cutter builds.

Players: Bioware there is a problem with the abilities... alot of them are not unique/powerful/have any uses... How will you improve and fix this for DA2?

Bioware: Well... We decided to remember most of the spells. But hey now you can give the spells more range or larger area and so on! =/

what ? maybe im missing something but i have no clue what each skill does , and there is writen "ELEMENTAL" in right top corner , which probably means there there is few diferent trees for mages at least . Unless you red somewhere about abilities , this comment makes no sense .

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="ElBuro"] LOL XD What?! So I guess making a stereotypic copy pasta of all abused ideas already in RPG genere makes a good RPG for you? Well for me it takes something more to make an RPG good, certainly making another clone of a clone is not one of those things. Loved Witcher, Drakensang and first Gothic, mainly cause despite having a world set in Medieval Fantasy, they did it good. Witcher kept you tensed all the time, moral choices had some true impact and world was gray not black and white like in DA, Drakensang perfectly kept the atmosphere of medieval, with equipment, items looking as they were suppose to look and not some ridiculous shapes. Also, despite beeing clichee, a game released year before DA managed to keep well balanced narration, so till the very end you had no idea who's main atagonist, it presented the story page after page, as you got into it and realised that what you belived on the begining was not entirely truth. Gothic - instead of placing you in stereotypic adventure, put you to an original setting and situation, where you find yourself as a prisoner condemned to spend rest of his life in fould colony full of murdurers and criminals! And Dragon Age? In the very first scenes they showed the Dragon Arch Demon, which you were destined to kill, and like from begining you well knew how all the story is gonna end. Thats a poor, lame narration and storytelling. Besides I don't know how you but personaly I cant stand watching same Seagal movie over 20 times in a row... twice maybe... but since Baldurs gate, BAH! Even Wizardry, Might and Magic and many others, Dragon Age shamelessly repeats the schemata so many times overused its boring... like a drunken friend on a party that again tells the same joke you've heard already THOUSAND times and is SIMPLY NOT FUNNY... got it? ElBuro

So, in short... you diss games that have evil antagonists. Really, there's so much more to Dragon Age than the archdemon... and not all choices are black and white. The thing is, The Witcher's refreshing take on moral choices is also a limitation -- what if I don't want to play a neutral character? Why is having strictly neutral choices in a game inherently better than having both good and bad and neutral ones? I can be strictly neutral in Dragon Age if I want to, but I'm not forced to.

And I didn't say you were a fan of Dragon Age; I meant a fan of the fantasy genre, where one of the best stories have evil antagonists and evil creatures are a given in any fantasy setting. Funny how you shun stories within a genre that so often highlights escalating battles between the forces of good and evil. Maybe the fantasy genre is just not for you, buddy. ;)

LOL :)

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]

Yay we get 9 abilities!

Yeeeee Even more cookie cutter builds.

Players: Bioware there is a problem with the abilities... alot of them are not unique/powerful/have any uses... How will you improve and fix this for DA2?

Bioware: Well... We decided to remember most of the spells. But hey now you can give the spells more range or larger area and so on! =/

kazakauskas

what ? maybe im missing something but i have no clue what each skill does , and there is writen "ELEMENTAL" in right top corner , which probably means there there is few diferent trees for mages at least . Unless you red somewhere about abilities , this comment makes no sense .

Elemental is the one highlighted. Still, I guess KalDurenik hasn't noticed that the total number of spells is 47, maybe 5-6 less if some are passive. 9 are "schools" of magic like elemental, blood magic (bottom right) etc.

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]

[QUOTE="therancors"]Number of mage skills look fine to me

kazakauskas

Yeeeee Even more cookie cutter builds.

Players: Bioware there is a problem with the abilities... alot of them are not unique/powerful/have any uses... How will you improve and fix this for DA2?

Bioware: Well... We decided to remember most of the spells. But hey now you can give the spells more range or larger area and so on! =/

what ? maybe im missing something but i have no clue what each skill does , and there is writen "ELEMENTAL" in right top corner , which probably means there there is few diferent trees for mages at least . Unless you red somewhere about abilities , this comment makes no sense .

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"]

[QUOTE="therancors"]Number of mage skills look fine to me

kazakauskas

Yeeeee Even more cookie cutter builds.

Players: Bioware there is a problem with the abilities... alot of them are not unique/powerful/have any uses... How will you improve and fix this for DA2?

Bioware: Well... We decided to remember most of the spells. But hey now you can give the spells more range or larger area and so on! =/

what ? maybe im missing something but i have no clue what each skill does , and there is writen "ELEMENTAL" in right top corner , which probably means there there is few diferent trees for mages at least . Unless you red somewhere about abilities , this comment makes no sense .

On one hand he whines that some abilities/spells don't have much of a use, on the other he whines because now there are less of them. Really? :?

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

[QUOTE="KalDurenik"] Yay we get 9 abilities!

Yeeeee Even more cookie cutter builds.

Players: Bioware there is a problem with the abilities... alot of them are not unique/powerful/have any uses... How will you improve and fix this for DA2?

Bioware: Well... We decided to remember most of the spells. But hey now you can give the spells more range or larger area and so on! =/

SkyWard20

what ? maybe im missing something but i have no clue what each skill does , and there is writen "ELEMENTAL" in right top corner , which probably means there there is few diferent trees for mages at least . Unless you red somewhere about abilities , this comment makes no sense .

On one hand he whines that some abilities/spells don't have much of a use, on the other he whines because now there are less of them. Really? :?

[QUOTE="SkyWard20"]

[QUOTE="kazakauskas"]

what ? maybe im missing something but i have no clue what each skill does , and there is writen "ELEMENTAL" in right top corner , which probably means there there is few diferent trees for mages at least . Unless you red somewhere about abilities , this comment makes no sense .

the_ChEeSe_mAn2

On one hand he whines that some abilities/spells don't have much of a use, on the other he whines because now there are less of them. Really? :?

In 1st game only the fact that Arcane Warrior was so OP made nothing viable compared to that :D

On the serious note , i just hope there wont be some spells/classes like it was in 1st game , which led to these same heroes .

In the end i agree that something needed to be changed , but that guy said that tere is no skill , which isnt true .

Elemental is the one highlighted. Still, I guess KalDurenik hasn't noticed that the total number of spells is 47, maybe 5-6 less if some are passive. 9 are "schools" of magic like elemental, blood magic (bottom right) etc.

EzekyleAbadon

[QUOTE="EzekyleAbadon"]

Elemental is the one highlighted. Still, I guess KalDurenik hasn't noticed that the total number of spells is 47, maybe 5-6 less if some are passive. 9 are "schools" of magic like elemental, blood magic (bottom right) etc.

kieranb2000

The hexagons are probably sustained spells considering that the first spell in the Blood Magic school is a hexagon

Overall there are less abilities then DAO (confirmed by a dev) Sure you can upgrade them and so on but oh well. It will just force people into a even more cookie cutter builds.KalDurenik