My GTX 460 feels like it isnt running as good as it should.

My specs are E8400@ 3.6ghz GTX 460, 6gigs of ram, nforce 650i 750w power supply.

Post your fps at what settings/resolution for (insert) game. How do you know is not running as good as it should? Try reinstalling your drivers or install a different version.

gtx 460 isn't that strong of a card. it's slightly better than a 5770 and probably on par with a 5830fishing666

gtx 460 isn't that strong of a card. it's slightly better than a 5770 and probably on par with a 5830fishing666

I got the 465gtx and it was well worth it. I can run almost all games maxed out @ 1440x900.

You could try to overclock yours if you think you're not getting enough. Download msi afterburner, the best gpu overclocking software, and increase core/shader/memory clocks in baby steps, and run Kombustor to test stability, until you get the maximum stable overclock. Also increase fan speed to accomodate the new (higher) temperatures, if your card doesn't automatically increase fan speed.

gtx 460 isn't that strong of a card. it's slightly better than a 5770 and probably on par with a 5830fishing666

Sorry i didn't get back to you guys i posted this and went to sleep. Alright number 1 game is rift i know rift is still in beta. But i ran it at 1680x1050 on ultra. any form of PvP the frames drop down to 25-30. Rift theres been said to be problems even with higher end systems i7s and gtx 580s so i'll wait and see there. And the other game is dawn of war 2 i average 47-50ps at 1680x150 on ultra. But if you guys are saying theres a good performance increase when ocing these cards im game to listen. Need a recomended ocing program and this is the exact type of card i have.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460-us.html

The one 1gb not the 768

im also downloading heaven benchmark so i can give you guys a better look at it.

im also downloading heaven benchmark so i can give you guys a better look at it.

Nolan16

its your CPU bottlenecking the card, not the GTX 460.

gtx 460 isn't that strong of a card. it's slightly better than a 5770 and probably on par with a 5830fishing666

Another uninformed quote from you.. Please take the time to look things up before you post on this board. It's really disheartening to see how many people on here just don't get it.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_460_Sonic_Platinum/31.html

alright my restults for heaven.

27.1 fps

high 52.7

low 14.3

700 score

What i ran it on

APl dx11

Stereo 3D disabled

shaders: high

tessellation normal

anistotropy 4

aa 4x

Resolution 1680x1050

So is this average for my setup above below?

alright my restults for heaven.

27.1 fps

high 52.7

low 14.3

700 score

What i ran it on

APl dx11

Stereo 3D disabled

shaders: high

tessellation normal

anistotropy 4

aa 4x

Resolution 1680x1050

So is this average for my setup above below?

Nolan16

What clock speeds is this GTX 460 1GB of yours running at? Core and memory.

[QUOTE="Nolan16"]

alright my restults for heaven.

27.1 fps

high 52.7

low 14.3

700 score

What i ran it on

APl dx11

Stereo 3D disabled

shaders: high

tessellation normal

anistotropy 4

aa 4x

Resolution 1680x1050

So is this average for my setup above below?

hartsickdiscipl

What clock speeds is this GTX 460 1GB of yours running at? Core and memory.

alright my restults for heaven.

27.1 fps

high 52.7

low 14.3

700 score

What i ran it on

APl dx11

Stereo 3D disabled

shaders: high

tessellation normal

anistotropy 4

aa 4x

Resolution 1680x1050

So is this average for my setup above below?

Nolan16

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="Nolan16"]

alright my restults for heaven.

27.1 fps

high 52.7

low 14.3

700 score

What i ran it on

APl dx11

Stereo 3D disabled

shaders: high

tessellation normal

anistotropy 4

aa 4x

Resolution 1680x1050

So is this average for my setup above below?

Nolan16

What clock speeds is this GTX 460 1GB of yours running at? Core and memory.

[QUOTE="Nolan16"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

What clock speeds is this GTX 460 1GB of yours running at? Core and memory.

Nolan16

What are the stock speeds of your card? The reference clocks on the 460 were a joke, so many card vendors clocked their 460's higher out of the box. The reference core clock was 675mhz, which was stupid since almost all (if not all) GTX 460's could clock to 800mhz or more without messing with voltage. Once you get the core into that range, and OC the memory a bit, they become a whole different animal. I had a vanilla EVGA GTX 460 1GB that clocked to over 900mhz on the core with just a tiny voltage tweak. The memory OC'd nicely too.

yeah the core is 675

There is only one way to answer this question: download software which tells you gpu usage ingame. Turn vsync off, if it isnt at 100% its not running as it should.

There is only one way to answer this question: download software which tells you gpu usage ingame. Turn vsync off, if it isnt at 100% its not running as it should.

andy1992uk

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

There is only one way to answer this question: download software which tells you gpu usage ingame. Turn vsync off, if it isnt at 100% its not running as it should.

Roland123_basic

???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........:roll: if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!

If the gpu is running bellow 95% and never goes above 95% and there is no fps cap (vsync off, ofcource). Then there is a bottle neck. The GPU will not reach peak potential as it is waitting for other components to catch up therefore it is not efficient and NOT RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!

[QUOTE="fishing666"]gtx 460 isn't that strong of a card. it's slightly better than a 5770 and probably on par with a 5830hartsickdiscipl

Another uninformed quote from you.. Please take the time to look things up before you post on this board. It's really disheartening to see how many people on here just don't get it.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Palit/GeForce_GTX_460_Sonic_Platinum/31.html

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

There is only one way to answer this question: download software which tells you gpu usage ingame. Turn vsync off, if it isnt at 100% its not running as it should.

andy1992uk

???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........:roll: if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!

If the gpu is running bellow 95% and never goes above 95% and there is no fps cap (vsync off, ofcource). Then there is a bottle neck. The GPU will not reach peak potential as it is waitting for other components to catch up therefore it is not efficient and NOT RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!

i have the gtx 460 1gb edition no one has really helped me how ever, i still dont know if my card is running bad, good or is at average state.

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] completely uninformed..... games do not always push your GPU to 100%. infact, if it IS running at 100% and you are still getting poor frames, you might be running the game settings too high for your hardware. for the majority of games, your GPU should be running in the 80-90% range.

Roland123_basic

???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........:roll: if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!

If the gpu is running bellow 95% and never goes above 95% and there is no fps cap (vsync off, ofcource). Then there is a bottle neck. The GPU will not reach peak potential as it is waitting for other components to catch up therefore it is not efficient and NOT RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!

You just dont get it do you? A computer is as fast as the slowest componet, if a game is heavily cpu dependent and gpu is not being used (using the method in my first post)then you have answered the TCs question...its his cpu!!

Lets say he checks his gpu usage ingame, he plays dawn of war 2 on ultra (usually gets around 47-50fps) and his GPU usage is above 95%, then the gpu is using entire power so it is performing. If the gpu is running at 80%, 20% of the gpu is doing nothing and it is being bottlenecked so therefore he has the eqquivalent of 5770 in his pc.

i have the gtx 460 1gb edition no one has really helped me how ever, i still dont know if my card is running bad, good or is at average state.

Nolan16

Your score is right where it should be for your card at the reference clock settings. I just downclocked my GTX 560 Ti to 591 core/1808 memory and ran at the same settings as you. I came up with 29.2 fps and a 735 score. At those clock settings my card should be just ever so slightly faster than a reference 460 1GB, which is reflected in the score.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........:roll: if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!

If the gpu is running bellow 95% and never goes above 95% and there is no fps cap (vsync off, ofcource). Then there is a bottle neck. The GPU will not reach peak potential as it is waitting for other components to catch up therefore it is not efficient and NOT RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!

andy1992uk

You just dont get it do you? A computer is as fast as the slowest componet, if a game is heavily cpu dependent and gpu is not being used (using the method in my first post)then you have answered the TCs question...its his cpu!!

Lets say he checks his gpu usage ingame, he plays dawn of war 2 on ultra (usually gets around 47-50fps) and his GPU usage is above 95%, then the gpu is using entire power so it is performing. If the gpu is running at 80%, 20% of the gpu is doing nothing and it is being bottlenecked so therefore he has the eqquivalent of 5770 in his pc.

however, for the TCs question, it most likely IS his cpu that is bottlenecking his GPU. the E8400 is a very aged processor at this point, and is unable to keep up with most games at max settings these days. like i said earlier, my setup is almost exactly the same as yours and Rift runs "poorly" (IMO). it is your CPU.

[QUOTE="Nolan16"]

i have the gtx 460 1gb edition no one has really helped me how ever, i still dont know if my card is running bad, good or is at average state.

hartsickdiscipl

Your score is right where it should be for your card at the reference clock settings. I just downclocked my GTX 560 Ti to 591 core/1808 memory and ran at the same settings as you. I came up with 29.2 fps and a 735 score. At those clock settings my card should be just ever so slightly faster than a reference 460 1GB, which is reflected in the score.

thanks man appreciate it. im going to oc my gpu soon.

The heaven benchmark is around what i got. Overclock it to 750-800 mhz core clock, and you should get a nice boost. But your dual core will hold back your preformance in certian games.

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] that is not the case like.... at allllll. MANY games run off the CPU quite heavily and thus do not push the GPU to 100%, MMOs are notorious for this. dont roll your eyes at me like you know what you are talking about....

Roland123_basic

You just dont get it do you? A computer is as fast as the slowest componet, if a game is heavily cpu dependent and gpu is not being used (using the method in my first post)then you have answered the TCs question...its his cpu!!

Lets say he checks his gpu usage ingame, he plays dawn of war 2 on ultra (usually gets around 47-50fps) and his GPU usage is above 95%, then the gpu is using entire power so it is performing. If the gpu is running at 80%, 20% of the gpu is doing nothing and it is being bottlenecked so therefore he has the eqquivalent of 5770 in his pc.

however, for the TCs question, it most likely IS his cpu that is bottlenecking his GPU. the E8400 is a very aged processor at this point, and is unable to keep up with most games at max settings these days. like i said earlier, my setup is almost exactly the same as yours and Rift runs "poorly" (IMO). it is your CPU.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

You just dont get it do you? A computer is as fast as the slowest componet, if a game is heavily cpu dependent and gpu is not being used (using the method in my first post)then you have answered the TCs question...its his cpu!!

Lets say he checks his gpu usage ingame, he plays dawn of war 2 on ultra (usually gets around 47-50fps) and his GPU usage is above 95%, then the gpu is using entire power so it is performing. If the gpu is running at 80%, 20% of the gpu is doing nothing and it is being bottlenecked so therefore he has the eqquivalent of 5770 in his pc.

ATLReppa770

however, for the TCs question, it most likely IS his cpu that is bottlenecking his GPU. the E8400 is a very aged processor at this point, and is unable to keep up with most games at max settings these days. like i said earlier, my setup is almost exactly the same as yours and Rift runs "poorly" (IMO). it is your CPU.

[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"][QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] no... apparently YOU dont get it. there are tons of games that offload a lot of the ingame graphics and effects on the CPU, thus reducing the load on the GPU, which results in a GPU that is not being used at 100%. the CPU isnt bottlenecking the GPU.... it is just doing some of the work the GPU normally would. this has nothing to do with slow components and is VERY common in MMOs (like rift) and many PC games that are developed for consoles as well.

however, for the TCs question, it most likely IS his cpu that is bottlenecking his GPU. the E8400 is a very aged processor at this point, and is unable to keep up with most games at max settings these days. like i said earlier, my setup is almost exactly the same as yours and Rift runs "poorly" (IMO). it is your CPU.

Roland123_basic

look mate I suggest you read over it again, do you know what I do for a living? I have been working at a computer hardware store for 2 years. Ill take you through this one baby step at a time.

1) TC asked if his gpu is running as it should, AKA if it has any bootlenecks or is reaching full potential.

2) At the FPS (below 50) he recieving and the games his playing, if his cpu was not a bottleneck, the gpu should be working hard and sweating. So infact it should be hovering around 100%.

3) It most likely might will be his cpu since it has aged as others as suggested. But i dont work by speculation and checking his gpu usage in his game will help find this out. If it were a pentium 4, i would still test,(i saw a cleron D with a 4850) so I can find out the gpu usage and tell the customer how much their cpu is dragging down the gpu in percentage terms

4) Alternatavely it might not be CPU, could be bad ram, insufficient power.etc. so the next step would be test cpu usage ingame Ive even seen people put their gpu in a 4xpci express rather than their 16xpcie. lik

Ofcourse, yes I agree some games are more cpu heavy than others(mostly console ports), like gta4. But then testing gpu usage CONFIRMS this speculation that the cpu is bottlenecking.

To prove my pont, ive tested it on two using a midrange system (HD5770 and phenom 965):

Fist game BC2:

Next to prove my point further I used a very old game HFL2:

Andy1992uk, sorry mate but your wrong. I was playing crysis warhead and noticed that my frames dropped a little during the level from hells heart. The gpu usage dropped to 35 percent near the end before the train stopped. All the other levels were fine running at about 99 percent on a gtx 470.

Just saying.

Andy1992uk, sorry mate but your wrong. I was playing crysis warhead and noticed that my frames dropped a little during the level from hells heart. The gpu usage dropped to 35 percent near the end before the train stopped. All the other levels were fine running at about 99 percent on a gtx 470.

Just saying.

davaniius

I dont get what you are trying to say. Sounds like nothing more than a bug to me.

[QUOTE="davaniius"]

Andy1992uk, sorry mate but your wrong. I was playing crysis warhead and noticed that my frames dropped a little during the level from hells heart. The gpu usage dropped to 35 percent near the end before the train stopped. All the other levels were fine running at about 99 percent on a gtx 470.

Just saying.

andy1992uk

I dont get what you are trying to say. Sounds like nothing more than a bug to me.

OC that thing, I have the same card and max out any game I played including Crysis and Metro 2033.

Stock: 675/1350/1800

My OC: 800/1600/2000

And I love it.:)

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

[QUOTE="davaniius"]

Andy1992uk, sorry mate but your wrong. I was playing crysis warhead and noticed that my frames dropped a little during the level from hells heart. The gpu usage dropped to 35 percent near the end before the train stopped. All the other levels were fine running at about 99 percent on a gtx 470.

Just saying.

Roland123_basic

I dont get what you are trying to say. Sounds like nothing more than a bug to me.

You honestly are one of these peoples that really dont get it and even if you knew you were wrong you would still pursue it rather than lose face.

Did I ever say that GPUs should run 100% in every game? Please qoute me.

a majotity of wrong people does not make something correct (even though the third guy proved me right, while saying I was wrong)

What is there to be believed?there is nothing to believed, this is not a matter of opinion.

I have explained to you 3 times what I am trying to say but yet you dont understand but you talk the same thing over and over again. Shall I explain to you for a fourth time? Honestly I cant be bothered.

Congratulations on your bachelors but honestly couldnt care less, just as you dont care less. In all honesty, IT is such a broad subject that it could have little or nothing to do with computer hardware. Fixing a telephone box in considered IT.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"] I didn't read the entire posts in this quote, but it's NOT true that the graphics card should run at 100% to be considered "running as it should." andy1992uk

look mate I suggest you read over it again, do you know what I do for a living? I have been working at a computer hardware store for 2 years. Ill take you through this one baby step at a time.

1) TC asked if his gpu is running as it should, AKA if it has any bootlenecks or is reaching full potential.

2) At the FPS (below 50) he recieving and the games his playing, if his cpu was not a bottleneck, the gpu should be working hard and sweating. So infact it should be hovering around 100%.

3) It most likely might will be his cpu since it has aged as others as suggested. But i dont work by speculation and checking his gpu usage in his game will help find this out. If it were a pentium 4, i would still test,(i saw a cleron D with a 4850) so I can find out the gpu usage and tell the customer how much their cpu is dragging down the gpu in percentage terms

4) Alternatavely it might not be CPU, could be bad ram, insufficient power.etc. so the next step would be test cpu usage ingame Ive even seen people put their gpu in a 4xpci express rather than their 16xpcie. lik

Ofcourse, yes I agree some games are more cpu heavy than others(mostly console ports), like gta4. But then testing gpu usage CONFIRMS this speculation that the cpu is bottlenecking.

To prove my pont, ive tested it on two using a midrange system (HD5770 and phenom 965):

Fist game BC2:

Next to prove my point further I used a very old game HFL2:

It means you have vsync enabled or you are producing over 91fps. (quake engine is capped at 91fps).

andy1992uk

It means you have vsync enabled or you are producing over 91fps. (quake engine is capped at 91fps).

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"] So, if my GPU is only pushing 60%, like it just was 10 minutes ago when I was playing MW2 with maxed out settings, does that mean my CPU is bottlenecking? I'm not trying to be sarcastic either, I really would like to know your reply to this.

ATLReppa770

It means you have vsync enabled or you are producing over 91fps. (quake engine is capped at 91fps).

MW2 runs on a upgraded quake 3 engine

[QUOTE="ATLReppa770"][QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

It means you have vsync enabled or you are producing over 91fps. (quake engine is capped at 91fps).

James161324

MW2 runs on a upgraded quake 3 engine

I wouldnt neccesarily say an upgraded q3 engine more like their own propiertary engine with some whacked online coding just b.c of all lag/inconsistent performance during multiplayer. I wonder how long will they stick with that ancient engine!

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

I dont get what you are trying to say. Sounds like nothing more than a bug to me.

andy1992uk

You honestly are one of these peoples that really dont get it and even if you knew you were wrong you would still pursue it rather than lose face.

Did I ever say that GPUs should run 100% in every game? Please qoute me.

a majotity of wrong people does not make something correct (even though the third guy proved me right, while saying I was wrong)

What is there to be believed?there is nothing to believed, this is not a matter of opinion.

I have explained to you 3 times what I am trying to say but yet you dont understand but you talk the same thing over and over again. Shall I explain to you for a fourth time? Honestly I cant be bothered.

Congratulations on your bachelors but honestly couldnt care less, just as you dont care less. In all honesty, IT is such a broad subject that it could have little or nothing to do with computer hardware. Fixing a telephone box in considered IT.

"???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........ if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!"

"So infact it should be hovering around 100%"

ask and ye shall receive.... you have indeed said multiple times that his GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck.

you are the one that is wrong and wont stop rather than lose face rofl.... you ARE wrong. everyone in this thread knows you ARE wrong. several people have stated that you ARE wrong. you, however, continue to post acting like everyone else is just out of their mind and you are the only sane person in the world. i know it is hard to believe that you actually dont know what you are talking about sometimes, but honestly it happens.

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] how many people need to post that you are wrong before you believe it....? GPUs are not meant to run at 100% for every game. depending on the game, you will see a variable amount of GPU usage depending on how the game is programmed to handle resource loads on the CPU and GPU. i couldnt care less that you have worked in a computer store for 2 years.... i have been working in IT for about 11 years now (since i was 15). i have a bachelors in information technology from a top 10 university in the USA as well. your credentials mean nothing to me, honestly.

Roland123_basic

You honestly are one of these peoples that really dont get it and even if you knew you were wrong you would still pursue it rather than lose face.

Did I ever say that GPUs should run 100% in every game? Please qoute me.

a majotity of wrong people does not make something correct (even though the third guy proved me right, while saying I was wrong)

What is there to be believed?there is nothing to believed, this is not a matter of opinion.

I have explained to you 3 times what I am trying to say but yet you dont understand but you talk the same thing over and over again. Shall I explain to you for a fourth time? Honestly I cant be bothered.

Congratulations on your bachelors but honestly couldnt care less, just as you dont care less. In all honesty, IT is such a broad subject that it could have little or nothing to do with computer hardware. Fixing a telephone box in considered IT.

"???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........ if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!"

"So infact it should be hovering around 100%"

ask and ye shall receive.... you have indeed said multiple times that his GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck.

you are the one that is wrong and wont stop rather than lose face rofl.... you ARE wrong. everyone in this thread knows you ARE wrong. several people have stated that you ARE wrong. you, however, continue to post acting like everyone else is just out of their mind and you are the only sane person in the world. i know it is hard to believe that you actually dont know what you are talking about sometimes, but honestly it happens.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

You honestly are one of these peoples that really dont get it and even if you knew you were wrong you would still pursue it rather than lose face.

Did I ever say that GPUs should run 100% in every game? Please qoute me.

a majotity of wrong people does not make something correct (even though the third guy proved me right, while saying I was wrong)

What is there to be believed?there is nothing to believed, this is not a matter of opinion.

I have explained to you 3 times what I am trying to say but yet you dont understand but you talk the same thing over and over again. Shall I explain to you for a fourth time? Honestly I cant be bothered.

Congratulations on your bachelors but honestly couldnt care less, just as you dont care less. In all honesty, IT is such a broad subject that it could have little or nothing to do with computer hardware. Fixing a telephone box in considered IT.

ATLReppa770

"???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........ if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!"

"So infact it should be hovering around 100%"

ask and ye shall receive.... you have indeed said multiple times that his GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck.

you are the one that is wrong and wont stop rather than lose face rofl.... you ARE wrong. everyone in this thread knows you ARE wrong. several people have stated that you ARE wrong. you, however, continue to post acting like everyone else is just out of their mind and you are the only sane person in the world. i know it is hard to believe that you actually dont know what you are talking about sometimes, but honestly it happens.