My GTX 460 feels like it isnt running as good as it should.

Sorry I meant the IW engine which is based on the quake 3 engine, I was in a rush when i wrote it. In all cod games, i beleive they cap at 91 fps, to keep online gameplay equal. These caps effectively work on the same principles of vsync, as in they cap the fps.

Both vsync and engine fps caps are software botlenecks.

So yeah, if your gpu can run cod at maximum above 91fps (you will need vsync off ofcource), you will still not have 100% (or 99% how software records it). As your gpu will stop working once it hits the fps designated same with vysnc.

Sorry last time I checked: "most" does not equal "all". You fail, end of. If your gpu usage is only 60-80% (as you suggest), without any software bottlenecks then your cpu is the bottleneck. ( I cant believe I am saying this for the fourth, im going crazy now.)andy1992uk

and as to your previous comment:

"Congratulations on your bachelors but honestly couldnt care less, just as you dont care less. In all honesty, IT is such a broad subject that it could have little or nothing to do with computer hardware. Fixing a telephone box in considered IT."

i suppose you think working in a computer store for 2 years makes you more qualified to give computer advice? ROFL, dont make me laugh. if you think fixing a telephone box falls under what you learn in an information technology degree program, you really shouldnt even be on this forum.

Well this thread became a little off topic. I have the 460 1GB version and it is currently 763/1526/1900. I will try it at what some posted that his was at, which was 800/1600/2000. Mine Idles at 26-27 so I should be good on temp. Also, I'll just use EVGA Precision to OC.

Yeah Arto.. you have ALOT of headroom to go.. Pretty much all gtx 460's can go to 800+ core clock with the ut-most ease. My 768mb is at 800 core clock, 1600 shader and 1925 memory clock and i idle at 29C in a 76F room. Max temp is 58C using 75% fan speed (i made my own fan profiles). Max I actually went with my 768mb was 834 core clock whatever shader number it scalled to and a memory speed of 2010. It ran stable but i like to have my card run under 60C at all times regardless how demanding the game is and at that speed it ran at 63C. (furmark stability test.16AA 800x600 for 5 hrs) Thats still 40-50C below the max temp of the card but ws just a preference for me.

Furmark + evga precision tools and tinker a little arto..

Well this thread became a little off topic. I have the 460 1GB version and it is currently 763/1526/1900. I will try it at what some posted that his was at, which was 800/1600/2000. Mine Idles at 26-27 so I should be good on temp. Also, I'll just use EVGA Precision to OC.

arto1223

Not true hey?

I said: "Did I ever say that GPUs should run 100% in every game? Please qoute me."

You said(qouting me):"""" ""???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........ if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!"

"So infact it should be hovering around 100%"

ask and ye shall receive.... you have indeed said multiple times that his GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck.""""""

Bit in blue: This is so true, how can you even argue against this? Lets say I have the fastest components in the world, with a gtx 460. Give me any game with no software bottleneck. The system will attempt to produce as many fps as possible and the gpu usage will be 100% because it is the slowest component.

Not true hey?

I said: "Did I ever say that GPUs should run 100% in every game? Please qoute me."

You said(qouting me):"""" ""???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........ if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!"

"So infact it should be hovering around 100%"

ask and ye shall receive.... you have indeed said multiple times that his GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck.""""""

Bit in blue: This is so true, how can you even argue against this? Lets say I have the fastest components in the world, with a gtx 460. Give me any game with no software bottleneck. The system will attempt to produce as many fps as possible and the gpu usage will be 100% because it is the slowest component.

andy1992uk

you keep arguing that a GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck. i keep telling you that is a complete FALLACY. you insist on pushing your false agenda.... how many people have to tell you that you are wrong?

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

Well this thread became a little off topic. I have the 460 1GB version and it is currently 763/1526/1900. I will try it at what some posted that his was at, which was 800/1600/2000. Mine Idles at 26-27 so I should be good on temp. Also, I'll just use EVGA Precision to OC.

Elann2008

I wouldnt neccesarily say an upgraded q3 engine more like their own propiertary engine with some whacked online coding just b.c of all lag/inconsistent performance during multiplayer. I wonder how long will they stick with that ancient engine!

Bikouchu35

All COD games run on a heavily modified version of ID Tech 3, which is the Quake 3 engine. The biggest jump in the series IMO was from COD to COD2. Since then I've only seen small improvements, but obviously the same engine.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

Well this thread became a little off topic. I have the 460 1GB version and it is currently 763/1526/1900. I will try it at what some posted that his was at, which was 800/1600/2000. Mine Idles at 26-27 so I should be good on temp. Also, I'll just use EVGA Precision to OC.

Roland123_basic

Thats actually really high roland123. Not so much that you will have a problem but you really running a bit hotter then it should unless you OCED to something crazy and added a volt mod to it.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] I've been able to crank mine up to 840/2050. Around 60-70% fan on load, I never go above 51*. This thing can handle it. Great overclocker.

jedikevin2

Thats actually really high roland123. Not so much that you will have a problem but you really running a bit hotter then it should unless you OCED to something crazy and added a volt mod to it.

Very true. I had a Vanilla EVGA GTX 460 1GB OC'd to 911 core and something quite high on the memory, overvolted to 1075mV. I left the fan at stock settings, and it never hit over 73 degrees C under full load. It idled at 31 C or below.

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

Well this thread became a little off topic. I have the 460 1GB version and it is currently 763/1526/1900. I will try it at what some posted that his was at, which was 800/1600/2000. Mine Idles at 26-27 so I should be good on temp. Also, I'll just use EVGA Precision to OC.

Roland123_basic

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] not sure how you get such low temps.... im running at 840/2050 as well and mine idles at around 50C. i am, however, running dual monitors which prevents the card from downclocking to 2D rates.... which probably keeps it running hotter than a single monitor. load temps are usually around 75-78C.... which isnt sooooo bad. 60-70% fan speed as well.

hartsickdiscipl

Thats actually really high roland123. Not so much that you will have a problem but you really running a bit hotter then it should unless you OCED to something crazy and added a volt mod to it.

Very true. I had a Vanilla EVGA GTX 460 1GB OC'd to 911 core and something quite high on the memory, overvolted to 1075mV. I left the fan at stock settings, and it never hit over 73 degrees C under full load. It idled at 31 C or below.

Your Dawn of War 2 performance sounds a little bit low but could be the CPU holding you back. Is CE1 and EIST disabled in BIOS? Did you do a full driver sweep of the old drivers before installing the new ones?

[QUOTE="andy1992uk"]

Not true hey?

I said: "Did I ever say that GPUs should run 100% in every game? Please qoute me."

You said(qouting me):"""" ""???? Most games should indeed push the gpu to the limit if the fps is uncapped. You have just proved my point........ if the gpu is running at 100% , the gpu is RUNNING AS IT SHOULD!!"

"So infact it should be hovering around 100%"

ask and ye shall receive.... you have indeed said multiple times that his GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck.""""""

Bit in blue: This is so true, how can you even argue against this? Lets say I have the fastest components in the world, with a gtx 460. Give me any game with no software bottleneck. The system will attempt to produce as many fps as possible and the gpu usage will be 100% because it is the slowest component.

Roland123_basic

you keep arguing that a GPU should always be at 100% unless there is a bottleneck. i keep telling you that is a complete FALLACY. you insist on pushing your false agenda.... how many people have to tell you that you are wrong?

Alright using your way. If a game is using 80% cpu and 60% gpu, with no software bottleneck. what is stopping the system from producing more frames?

Something has to stop it (ie a bottleneck). If there was no bottleneck (software or hardware) on the above example the cpu will be at 100% and is the bottleneck. (5th time ive said).

You are so fixated that you are right that you are neglecting simple logic.

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"]

[QUOTE="Elann2008"] I've been able to crank mine up to 840/2050. Around 60-70% fan on load, I never go above 51*. This thing can handle it. Great overclocker.

jedikevin2

Thats actually really high roland123. Not so much that you will have a problem but you really running a bit hotter then it should unless you OCED to something crazy and added a volt mod to it.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="Roland123_basic"] not sure how you get such low temps.... im running at 840/2050 as well and mine idles at around 50C. i am, however, running dual monitors which prevents the card from downclocking to 2D rates.... which probably keeps it running hotter than a single monitor. load temps are usually around 75-78C.... which isnt sooooo bad. 60-70% fan speed as well.

JigglyWiggly_

Thats actually really high roland123. Not so much that you will have a problem but you really running a bit hotter then it should unless you OCED to something crazy and added a volt mod to it.

OCUK are cowboys, wouldn't accept any advice from them if my life depended on it.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Thats actually really high roland123. Not so much that you will have a problem but you really running a bit hotter then it should unless you OCED to something crazy and added a volt mod to it.

Roland123_basic

Very true. I had a Vanilla EVGA GTX 460 1GB OC'd to 911 core and something quite high on the memory, overvolted to 1075mV. I left the fan at stock settings, and it never hit over 73 degrees C under full load. It idled at 31 C or below.

Very true about the idle temps and dual monitors. Something we can agree on :P My 560 idles at about the same temps as my 460 did, but my load temps are quite a bit higher. Makes me wish I'd gone for a non-reference fan design card.. Oh well. As long as it doesn't die on me in the next couple of years I'll be happy.

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

Well this thread became a little off topic. I have the 460 1GB version and it is currently 763/1526/1900. I will try it at what some posted that his was at, which was 800/1600/2000. Mine Idles at 26-27 so I should be good on temp. Also, I'll just use EVGA Precision to OC.

Elann2008

[QUOTE="Elann2008"]

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

Well this thread became a little off topic. I have the 460 1GB version and it is currently 763/1526/1900. I will try it at what some posted that his was at, which was 800/1600/2000. Mine Idles at 26-27 so I should be good on temp. Also, I'll just use EVGA Precision to OC.

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="Elann2008"] I've been able to crank mine up to 840/2050. Around 60-70% fan on load, I never go above 51*. This thing can handle it. Great overclocker.

Roland123_basic

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Thats actually really high roland123. Not so much that you will have a problem but you really running a bit hotter then it should unless you OCED to something crazy and added a volt mod to it.

Elann2008

I guess i may try overclocking my 460's a bit more, but it depends on the temps and if i need it, no reason to waste power or stress out the card for no reason.