Need help installing a GeForce 2 MX 400 under Win98SE !

I have an old system I use for old games.A P4 /2.4 ghz, 512 DDR RAM, MSI 845E MAX motherboard (bios up-to-date), a Voodoo 4500 AGP 32MB , a soundblaster creative pci 64V and a ATI Tv wonder tuner.I use Win98SE (patched with unofficial WIN98SE SP).So far so good.THAT system works wonderfull, no blue death screesn , no crashes , no freezings.I also have a Voodoo 2 board 3D accelerator and , recently I purchased a GeForce 2 MX 400 AGP 64 MB, thinking that I would make a great "combo" with my Voodoo 2 card for Glide/Direct 3D games;)
Well ...this was where my excruciating pains began...
I did this:
Before detaching the Voodoo 4500 I uninstalled the 3Dfx tools and then in safe mode , I erased everything in C:WindowsINF and C:WindowsSystem which got anything to do with Voodoo board.I removed the Voodoo card as I was saying and I installed the GeForce card into AGP slot, with Voodoo 2 board in standing by...:) Well...after I installed I tried the 71.xx drivers for my OS.After I rebooted well...the Windows flickered in a dark blue manner ,a couple of microseconds, after that it halted into a dark black screen(no prompter line).I rebooted and nothing happened.I rebooted again and then a windows poped up saying "your video hardware is not supported or you settings are not correct" or something like this, don't remember exactly.Well I didn't give up.I went in safe mode and I uninstalled the drivers.I rebooted and I installed newer drivers (81.xx).Well...this time luck abandoned me for good.The same scenario , dark blue flickering with dark screen after(no prompter line) .When I tried to boot in safe mode and uninstall the driver (as I did with the older one), well...the OS crashed with an error in EAX , EBX, ECX etc modules and everytime I tried to boot normally the system hanged, never entering Windows again.In safe mode, the same story, with the OS crash error in those modules.I dug up a little on net and someone was complaining like me he cannot install the GeForce 2 MX 400 on the same motherboard.That's my story short, any ideas how to trick that little **** GeForce card-slut ???? I tried to find very old drivers but with no luck.By the way , the video board is a "no-name" Eixon brand name.They don't have a site or driver support etc.And I don't have the original CD with drivers...so here I am begging for help and the sanity of my mind.Don't even think telling me "well if the system works with that Voodoo 4 board , why don't you keep it that way?", allright ?
In the meantime , waiting for a merciful soul to help me, I'll try find older drivers for the Nvidia card.If YOU have older drivers and you can send me...that would be nice , too. Thank you for your time and help!
My YM address in case you don't have time , here, on this site to assisst: prince_17_vlad@yahoo.com

PS - I checked , too the motherboard manual. It says it supports OS from Win98SE (included) UP and the BIOS upgrades don't say anything about graphic support conflicts etc.As you see I made my homework well. :)

Win2K would be a poor choice for old games. Pre-2000 games wouldn't support NT based systems.

You can still find lots of older 9.x drivers.On the nvidia site for example.

Win2K would be a poor choice for old games. Pre-2000 games wouldn't support NT based systems.

You can still find lots of older 9.x drivers.On the nvidia site for example.

Gog

I doubt anybody here has old nvidia gpu drivers, but have you just tried plain reinstalling Windows? Also why not install Win 2k? Runs a lot better than XP on low systems and is supported till next year. It's also based on NT rather than DOS.JigglyWiggly_

No, I want in Win98SE...because if I switch OS ..problems begin and I don't want that.Been there, done that, didn't like it. And , yes, I reainstalled the Win98SE because I was FORCED to (the system didn't respond after boot or attempts to uninstall the video drivers)...loool and the result was the same.The OS is not the problem here...that's obvious, I already said, with my Voodoo AGP 4 board..it rocks! so..it's not that the cause (at least not separately)

One more thing, I guess you've missed it...I said I wanna use that "combo" , so it's about GLIDE games, those shiny ones, you know? So...no going far away from "home", because GLIDE warm "home" is Win9x ;).So Win2k and up it's definetly a no-no for me.

Win2K would be a poor choice for old games. Pre-2000 games wouldn't support NT based systems.

You can still find lots of older 9.x drivers.On the nvidia site for example.

Gog

Thx man for the link I'll try that, too.I already get a 42.01, which I'll try it , tonight, first.

I used to have the same card and worked great, try this driver http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html

I used to have the same card and worked great, try this driver http://www.nvidia.com/object/win9x_81.98.html

powerslide67

I did, it didn't work, unfortunately.I got the flickering dark blue screen followed shortly by a black "stand-still, nothing moves anymore" screen.:)

If it's not the drivers, the card might be defective :|

Have you tried loading up Win98SE with ONLY the Geforce 2 card installed (yank out TV tuner, Sound Blaster, etc.)? Wouldn't surprise me the least to find out one or more of those cards aren't playing nice together.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]I doubt anybody here has old nvidia gpu drivers, but have you just tried plain reinstalling Windows? Also why not install Win 2k? Runs a lot better than XP on low systems and is supported till next year. It's also based on NT rather than DOS.prince__vlad

No, I want in Win98SE...because if I switch OS ..problems begin and I don't want that.Been there, done that, didn't like it. And , yes, I reainstalled the Win98SE because I was FORCED to (the system didn't respond after boot or attempts to uninstall the video drivers)...loool and the result was the same.The OS is not the problem here...that's obvious, I already said, with my Voodoo AGP 4 board..it rocks! so..it's not that the cause (at least not separately)

One more thing, I guess you've missed it...I said I wanna use that "combo" , so it's about GLIDE games, those shiny ones, you know? So...no going far away from "home", because GLIDE warm "home" is Win9x ;).So Win2k and up it's definetly a no-no for me.

I also have no idea what the "combo" is you are referring to.

JigglyWiggly_

The Combo, from what I could parse, is an attempt to pair the Geforce 2 for Direct3D games with a Voodoo 2 for Glide optimized games (think Unreal 1 and Unreal Tournament).

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

I also have no idea what the "combo" is you are referring to.

chefkw

The Combo, from what I could parse, is an attempt to pair the Geforce 2 for Direct3D games with a Voodoo 2 for Glide optimized games (think Unreal 1 and Unreal Tournament).

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

I also have no idea what the "combo" is you are referring to.

chefkw

The Combo, from what I could parse, is an attempt to pair the Geforce 2 for Direct3D games with a Voodoo 2 for Glide optimized games (think Unreal 1 and Unreal Tournament).

From what I've seen from your post...you really don't know what GLIDE meant for gamers and I guess you are not pretty much gamer after all.Let me clue you in a little...

Glide is not a crapy "opengl" interface at all.It is a DISTINCT API , like Direct 3D(in which are made TODAY 99% of the games) and like Open GL (which is faster, by the way than Direct 3D, though ...Direct 3D recovered much ground these ten years passed).There was a time when GLIDE ruled and Nvidia was just an obscure competitor and 3Dfx (owner of GLIDE license) was the KING (1997-2000). ...Voodoo boards were the BEST in their time and just misfortune and a series of events made Nvidia what is today and burried forever the 3Dfx. It's like Hannibal (3Dfx) and the Roman empire (Nvidia) if you like. Nvidia ...was always frightened and yellow whenever a 3Dfx press release emerged and lost battle after battle, everytime humiliated in public. I remember the summer of 2000 when there was at E3 and on every site that image with full antialiasing (which, by the way, was 3Dfx idea) with the eye , in true colors , one of the 128 MB Voodoo 5- 6000 , and the second one, pathetic, Nvidia's. At that time , humiliation bigger than that wasn't possible.But that's another story...

So bottom line...Voodoo boards shines ONLY under Win9x empire (I agree with you..Win95 and Me suck!).Win 98SE however was considered , for those times a succes, a relatively stabile platform for Voodoo Glide games , especially.(I told you I played a YEAR (no kidding) with my system (win 98SE + Voodoo 4500) and I hadn't a single crash or blue screen !!! Not ONE !!! In a year! That is the reason I must make it work.Meanwhile I made some progresses, meaning I spoke with guys from Microsoft and they agreed is a conflict between monitor (refuses to "stay" as plug and play and the graphic card is fouled by previous settings and try to set its settings...and the OS is blocking because the monitor drivers resets themselves (with no reason discovered till now) not beeing able to put up with the graphic board settings (resolutions, colors). I tried an older monitor (I had one but didn't crossed my minda to try it, until now) , a 14" one but...the OS blocks completly everything.

Honestly, I'm out of ideas...

Maybe you come up with some...

Thank you for supporting and for your inputs!

If it's not the drivers, the card might be defective :|

Gog

I thought about that so I'm striving to try it on other systems. I'm just hopping , in my mind, that is not broken...lol...you know, hope dies last...:)

Have you tried loading up Win98SE with ONLY the Geforce 2 card installed (yank out TV tuner, Sound Blaster, etc.)? Wouldn't surprise me the least to find out one or more of those cards aren't playing nice together.

chefkw

I did that...I had in mind that time exactly what you had now, friend.It didn't work out.

If you're still stuck for drivers later, PM me. I've got 21.81 drivers and likely a few others scattered through various discs. It's always worth checking for chipset driver updates for older motherboards too, as I remember having a host of problems with enabling all features on AGPx4/x8 cards in the past.jimmyjammer69

Wow...it would be great to upload them somewhere friend.I'd like to try those 21.xx drivers. I only found just 41.xx.Nothing under. Please let me know when they are available to download.God bless u !;)

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

I also have no idea what the "combo" is you are referring to.

chefkw

The Combo, from what I could parse, is an attempt to pair the Geforce 2 for Direct3D games with a Voodoo 2 for Glide optimized games (think Unreal 1 and Unreal Tournament).

You got that right , Sir !!! ;)

I have an old system I use for old games.A P4 /2.4 ghz, 512 DDR RAM, MSI 845E MAX motherboard (bios up-to-date), a Voodoo 4500 AGP 32MB , a soundblaster creative pci 64V and a ATI Tv wonder tuner.I use Win98SE (patched with unofficial WIN98SE SP).So far so good.THAT system works wonderfull, no blue death screesn , no crashes , no freezings.I also have a Voodoo 2 board 3D accelerator and , recently I purchased a GeForce 2 MX 400 AGP 64 MB, thinking that I would make a great "combo" with my Voodoo 2 card for Glide/Direct 3D games;)
Well ...this was where my excruciating pains began...
I did this:
Before detaching the Voodoo 4500 I uninstalled the 3Dfx tools and then in safe mode , I erased everything in C:WindowsINF and C:WindowsSystem which got anything to do with Voodoo board.I removed the Voodoo card as I was saying and I installed the GeForce card into AGP slot, with Voodoo 2 board in standing by...:) Well...after I installed I tried the 71.xx drivers for my OS.After I rebooted well...the Windows flickered in a dark blue manner ,a couple of microseconds, after that it halted into a dark black screen(no prompter line).I rebooted and nothing happened.I rebooted again and then a windows poped up saying "your video hardware is not supported or you settings are not correct" or something like this, don't remember exactly.Well I didn't give up.I went in safe mode and I uninstalled the drivers.I rebooted and I installed newer drivers (81.xx).Well...this time luck abandoned me for good.The same scenario , dark blue flickering with dark screen after(no prompter line) .When I tried to boot in safe mode and uninstall the driver (as I did with the older one), well...the OS crashed with an error in EAX , EBX, ECX etc modules and everytime I tried to boot normally the system hanged, never entering Windows again.In safe mode, the same story, with the OS crash error in those modules.I dug up a little on net and someone was complaining like me he cannot install the GeForce 2 MX 400 on the same motherboard.That's my story short, any ideas how to trick that little **** GeForce card-slut ???? I tried to find very old drivers but with no luck.By the way , the video board is a "no-name" Eixon brand name.They don't have a site or driver support etc.And I don't have the original CD with drivers...so here I am begging for help and the sanity of my mind.Don't even think telling me "well if the system works with that Voodoo 4 board , why don't you keep it that way?", allright ?
In the meantime , waiting for a merciful soul to help me, I'll try find older drivers for the Nvidia card.If YOU have older drivers and you can send me...that would be nice , too. Thank you for your time and help!
My YM address in case you don't have time , here, on this site to assisst: prince_17_vlad@yahoo.com

PS - I checked , too the motherboard manual. It says it supports OS from Win98SE (included) UP and the BIOS upgrades don't say anything about graphic support conflicts etc.As you see I made my homework well. :)

prince__vlad

honestly what was ur budget like 30 bucks for the whole "gaming" system?

well since you are using a voodoo card it will have different drivers than an nvidia card. you can download voodoo drivers here http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo5/drivers/voodoo45/. I believe you are trying to run the old Scan-Line Interleave setup (3dfx's version of SLI). You need both of your cards to be voodoo cards, you cannot use an Nvidia card in an old 3dfx SLI setup.

UltimateGamer95

No,no,no...you missunderstood my friend.The "combo" word reffered to the combination ..GeForce 2 Mx 400 on AGP slot (for Direct 3D games) and the Voodoo 2 (for the glide games) on the PCI slot ;)...Don't worry I KNOW what a SLI is;) and how it works.It's nothing like that. If you paid attention to my thread the problem is not the Voodoo card , but the GeForce one.It doesn't get along , through OS , with my AOC 7k+ monitor .It flickers , for two second a dark blue...screen and after that ...it shows a dark "still" , stiff screen.

However, not even a Voodoo 4 AGP and a Voodoo 2 PCI don't get along in the same system(I tried that way back, long time ago)

[QUOTE="UltimateGamer95"]

well since you are using a voodoo card it will have different drivers than an nvidia card. you can download voodoo drivers here http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/3dfx/voodoo5/drivers/voodoo45/. I believe you are trying to run the old Scan-Line Interleave setup (3dfx's version of SLI). You need both of your cards to be voodoo cards, you cannot use an Nvidia card in an old 3dfx SLI setup.

prince__vlad

No,no,no...you missunderstood my friend.The "combo" word reffered to the combination ..GeForce 2 Mx 400 on AGP slot (for Direct 3D games) and the Voodoo 2 (for the glide games) on the PCI slot ;)...Don't worry I KNOW what a SLI is;) and how it works.It's nothing like that. If you paid attention to my thread the problem is not the Voodoo card , but the GeForce one.It doesn't get along , through OS , with my AOC 7k+ monitor .It flickers , for two second a dark blue...screen and after that ...it shows a dark "still" , stiff screen.

However, not even a Voodoo 4 AGP and a Voodoo 2 PCI don't get along in the same system(I tried that way back, long time ago)

honestly what was ur budget like 30 bucks for the whole "gaming" system?

iliatay

Actually no.The pc components I had them since 2000.At that time they costed MORE than something costs today ;) ..A voodoo 4 and 5 boards costed that time ...400, 500 USD, a lot of money. Today Voodoo boards are collection peices.Maybe for you they mean nothing , but for who knew them in those times , they meant a lot.