***News*** NVIDIA announces Project Denver ARM CPU for the Desktop

NVIDIA announces Project Denver ARM CPU for the Desktop

A "full custom processor," designed by NVIDIA in partnership with ARM. World's first ARM processor targeted at high performance computing. NVIDIA really sprung this Project Denver as a major surprise at the end of its CES press conference here. This chip is "in development" and seems intent to conquer the desktop and laptop scene that is currently wholly owned by thex86duo of AMD and Intel. It's true folks, NVIDIA's building a CPU! Madness!

It's hard to properly express the gravity of a move like. ARM processors, as Jen-Hsun Huang just pointed out, are becoming the most ubiquitous around the world because of their great success on the mobile front. Taking them into the fortress of high performance computing is a daring decision, but if anyone has the requisite technical knowhow and OEM relationships to hit that ball out of the park, it's NVIDIA. For its part, Jen-Hsun's company is taking its antagonism with Intel to the next logical stage, finally announcing that it'll leap out of the GPU market and into the shark waters of CPU manufacturing. The future just got a lot more exciting.

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So basically when I build my new rig in about 2 or so years, there should be a new player in town with mobo sockets and CPUs.

Might reduce prices a little on the competition. One good thing about competition is a price fluctuation, usually when another player comes into the market, the price of the competition drops a little.

Who knows, by then Nvidia could have a pretty awesome alternative to Intel or AMD.

Interesting, but it makes me wonder how OSs and what not will pan out. Perhaps Nvidia will become a key to Android OS dominating the world, starting with phones, and now desktop and laptop computers. I can almost see Nvidia adding an ARM core to their graphics cards or even GPU cores in the future to make AMD and Intel systems Android ready (or w/e OS). The graphics cards themselves would be full computing systems sans input and storage which can come from a motherboard like device acting as the system hub. This could go in many directions, hell I bet MS is worried about OpenGL more than ever, especially with a player like Nvidia involved (ARM + Nvidia + OpenGL gaming = interesting). I guess technically Windows Phone 7 could be used, but with a different shell and implementation. Most surely any ARM desktop system will have many cores.

the plot thickens

Coooooooool. more competion = lower prices so im k with this!!

NVIDIA announces Project Denver ARM CPU for the Desktop

(SNIP)

Alpha_Omega69

Nothing new. Acorn Archimedes desktop PCs used ARM based CPUs. Acorn RISC Machine = Advanced RISC Machine = ARM

In mid-1990s, Advanced Computing Environment(ACE) group attempted to replace X86 PC standard with non-X86 CPUs e.g. MIPS, Alpha, ARM. That adventure was failure.

Notice how tiny is AMD Bobcat's X86 decoders.

In terms of transisiors packing engineering skills, NVIDIA and Intel has yet to match AMD(ATI).

AMD Radeon HD 5800(2.1billion transisiors, 334mm^2) and 6800(1.7billion transisiors, 255mm^2)'s die sizeis still smaller than NVIDIA's Geforce GTX460 (1.95billion transisiors 367mm^2).

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From http://www.anandtech.com/show/2911/2

NVIDIA Tegra 2 has die size of 49mm^2 and ARM Cortex A9 occupy around 10% of the total die area i.e. 4.9mm^2. AMD Bobcat (Out of Order, TSMC 40 nm) has 4.6mm^2, which is already striking distance of ARM Cortex A9 (Out of Order, TSMC 40 nm).

AMD Ontario,400 million transisiors/ 74mm^2 = 5.4 million transisiors per mm^2

NVIDIA Tegra 2, 260 million transisiors/ 49mm^2 = 5.3 million transisiors per mm^2

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AMD Radeon HD 5800, 6.287 million transisiors per mm^2

AMD Radeon HD 6800, 6.67 million transisiors per mm^2

NVIDIA Geforce GTX460, 5.31 million transisiors per mm^2

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AMD easily beat NVIDIA in transisiors per mm^2.

Benchmarks between ARM Cortex A9 vs Intel Atom from http://greenm3.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f92c99e88340133ed275c68970b-piboth are about the same.

We know AMD Bobcat murders Intel Atom. AMD Ontario uses similar GPU core as Radeon HD 54X0's 80 SPUs. AMD Radeon HD 6400 uses 160 SPUs.

AMD plans to rival NVIDIA Tegra 2's 49 mm^2 size with AMD 40 SPU equiped APU i.e. replace 80 SPU GPU.

Interesting, but it makes me wonder how OSs and what not will pan out. Perhaps Nvidia will become a key to Android OS dominating the world, starting with phones, and now desktop and laptop computers. I can almost see Nvidia adding an ARM core to their graphics cards or even GPU cores in the future to make AMD and Intel systems Android ready (or w/e OS). The graphics cards themselves would be full computing systems sans input and storage which can come from a motherboard like device acting as the system hub. This could go in many directions, hell I bet MS is worried about OpenGL more than ever, especially with a player like Nvidia involved (ARM + Nvidia + OpenGL gaming = interesting). I guess technically Windows Phone 7 could be used, but with a different shell and implementation. Most surely any ARM desktop system will have many cores.

Well considering how Nvidia's mobile x86 CPU was a success (The one in the Zune HD), I think this could possibly go somewhere. Ambitious indeed. ARM architecture has really been making its way up. The company even talks big and say they'll take down Intel.Marfoo

So we got a new contender coming to the GPU world now we got a new contender coming to the CPU world? All we need is a Dreamcast 2 and the set will be complete.JohnF111

wait wait im not on top of this CES or CSE idkw hat u call it. but whos the new GPU fighter we are going to see? i want to know so bad plz tell me :D

NVIDIA is a solid company in my books, hopefully they can creat something unique and new.

[QUOTE="Marfoo"]Well considering how Nvidia's mobile x86 CPU was a success (The one in the Zune HD), I think this could possibly go somewhere. Ambitious indeed. ARM architecture has really been making its way up. The company even talks big and say they'll take down Intel.ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="Marfoo"]Well considering how Nvidia's mobile x86 CPU was a success (The one in the Zune HD), I think this could possibly go somewhere. Ambitious indeed. ARM architecture has really been making its way up. The company even talks big and say they'll take down Intel.Marfoo

NVIDIA already has X86 processor e.g. NVIDIA M6117C i.e.http://www.nvidia.com/page/uli_m6117c.html

NVIDIA may need additional licences for beyond 80386SX based CPU.

In the X86 mobile space, you have VIA, AMD and Intel.

NVIDIA is a solid company in my books, hopefully they can creat something unique and new.

Daytona_178

**The ArtX team bought by ATI.

[QUOTE="Marfoo"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Nvidia Tegra doesn't have a X86 CPU.ronvalencia

NVIDIA already has X86 processor e.g. NVIDIA M6117C i.e.http://www.nvidia.com/page/uli_m6117c.html

NVIDIA may need additional licences for beyond 80386SX based CPU.

In the X86 mobile space, you have VIA, AMD and Intel.

[QUOTE="Alpha_Omega69"]

NVIDIA announces Project Denver ARM CPU for the Desktop

(SNIP)

ronvalencia

Nothing new. Acorn Archimedes desktop PCs used ARM based CPUs. Acorn RISC Machine = Advanced RISC Machine = ARM

In mid-1990s, Advanced Computing Environment(ACE) group attempted to replace X86 PC standard with non-X86 CPUs e.g. MIPS, Alpha, ARM. That adventure was failure.

Notice how tiny is AMD Bobcat's X86 decoders.

In terms of transisiors packing engineering skills, NVIDIA and Intel has yet to match AMD(ATI).

AMD Radeon HD 5800(2.1billion transisiors, 334mm^2) and 6800(1.7billion transisiors, 255mm^2)'s die sizeis still smaller than NVIDIA's Geforce GTX460 (1.95billion transisiors 367mm^2).

---

From http://www.anandtech.com/show/2911/2

NVIDIA Tegra 2 has die size of 49mm^2 and ARM Cortex A9 occupy around 10% of the total die area i.e. 4.9mm^2. AMD Bobcat (Out of Order, TSMC 40 nm) has 4.6mm^2, which is already striking distance of ARM Cortex A9 (Out of Order, TSMC 40 nm).

AMD Ontario,400 million transisiors/ 74mm^2 = 5.4 million transisiors per mm^2

NVIDIA Tegra 2, 260 million transisiors/ 49mm^2 = 5.3 million transisiors per mm^2

------------------------------------------

AMD Radeon HD 5800, 6.287 million transisiors per mm^2

AMD Radeon HD 6800, 6.67 million transisiors per mm^2

NVIDIA Geforce GTX460, 5.31 million transisiors per mm^2

------------------------------------------

AMD easily beat NVIDIA in transisiors per mm^2.

Benchmarks between ARM Cortex A9 vs Intel Atom from http://greenm3.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f92c99e88340133ed275c68970b-piboth are about the same.

We know AMD Bobcat murders Intel Atom. AMD Ontario uses similar GPU core as Radeon HD 54X0's 80 SPUs. AMD Radeon HD 6400 uses 160 SPUs.

AMD plans to rival NVIDIA Tegra 2's 49 mm^2 size with AMD 40 SPU equiped APU i.e. replace 80 SPU GPU.

stop being a fanboy that amount of reply proves that youre concerned

stop being a fanboy that amount of reply proves that youre concerned

HFkami

That's all you can do? Getting personal doesn't help your position.

So basically when I build my new rig in about 2 or so years, there should be a new player in town with mobo sockets and CPUs.

Might reduce prices a little on the competition. One good thing about competition is a price fluctuation, usually when another player comes into the market, the price of the competition drops a little.

Who knows, by then Nvidia could have a pretty awesome alternative to Intel or AMD.

Lach0121

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

stop being a fanboy that amount of reply proves that youre concerned

ronvalencia

That's all you can do? Getting personal doesn't help your position.

what a position? I know i have right youre the one who had to reply 3 times at the same time and had to add all this stuff when he wasnt asked.

Probably the S3 of CPUs. Meaning nothing interesting for high-end gamers.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

stop being a fanboy that amount of reply proves that youre concerned

HFkami

That's all you can do? Getting personal doesn't help your position.

what a position? I know i have right youre the one who had to reply 3 times at the same time and had to add all this stuff when he wasnt asked.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="HFkami"]

stop being a fanboy that amount of reply proves that youre concerned

HFkami

That's all you can do? Getting personal doesn't help your position.

what a position? I know i have right youre the one who had to reply 3 times at the same time and had to add all this stuff when he wasnt asked.

One should read TC's postings i.e. it mentions X86.

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The talent pool for DEC Alpha EV6 have filtered to AMD K7 Athlon. AMD K7 Athlon has assimilated some distinctiveness from DEC Alpha EV6 designs. Intel also assimilated Alpha EV7 engineering teams. One of the co-founders of NVIDIA was from SUN engineering teams i.e. SUN's CPU engineering teams is no match against the might of DEC Alpha EV6 and EV7 teams.

Both NVIDIA and AMD(ATI) has assimilated SGI engineering teams. Intel has assimilated 3DLabs engineering teams. Some of the key Transmeta engineering talent was from IBM PowerPC 615 (failed X86-PPC hybrid) and results speak for themselves..

In another words, one should focus in micro-architecture implementation not the ISA.

On per clock basis, ARM ISA enabled AMD K10.5 RISC core would be still faster than the current ARM C-9. Remember AMD K5 X86 was a reworked AMD 29K RISC core. Intel Core i7 RISC core with ARM ISA would still murder the current ARM C-9 in performance.

In mid-90s, there are several X86 CPU vendors and most have exited the X86 market since they can't keep up with Intel or AMD on pure performance e.g. 1Ghz clock speed race doomed most of them.

Eyes glass over, falls asleep. TMI people. All I carry away from this conjecture, opinion, and hope. But anything with my home town name in it works for me. And of course the added competition.

O.o You now has my attention but theres one question I must ask........

But can it play Shogun 2? :shock: