Next gen MacBook Pro announced, starts at $2,199!

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078215/apple-stub-etc-whatevs

The base model has a 2880x1800 "retina" display, a 2.3ghz i7, a GTX650m, 8 gigs of RAM, and a 256 gig SSD. The top end one, costing over $3,000, has 16 gigs of RAM and a 768gb SSD.

The specs are pretty awesome, but you certainly won't run any games at the resolution. And it costs a LOT for what you get. Does Apple actually think people will buy them?

nice display, but overpriced just like always.

also why apple as huge resolution, but cant do anything at that resolution

As far as I am concerned, the only thing apple really does right is laptops.

Honestly, it seems like the laptop does most things right. A monitor with that resolution would easily cost $1,000. This isn't a "gaming" laptop. Games will default to 1440x900 unless they support the display (Only game confirmed right now is Diablo 3, but I'm sure WoW/SC2 will follow) and the GT 650m is more than enough to play any game at nice settings at that 1440x900. The resoultion is for regular day-to-day internet browsing, video editing (most will probably be using Final Cut meaning they'd need a Mac anyways), and graphic design (Photoshop, AutoCAD, etc.); not to mention Macbooks tend to have great battery life and this Macbook will be lighter/thinner than most laptops. You're definitely paying a premium price, but many will be able to justify the price.

Ridiculously overpriced, but thats par for the course for Apple.

It's designed and priced for people who can write it off as a work expense essentially. The high end Macbook Pros have always been like this.

The new Macbook Pro looks like it'll be excellent for any photographers/graphic designers out there. If I had the money I'd pick one up, not like I use my laptops for gaming anyway.

Thing is... there's no need for that res on a laptop.

Overpriced and the GTX650m isn't that good. Nvidia already released the GTX680m for Mobile which is actually pretty good. Not like it's desktop variant, but still quite performant. Paying about 2200$ to get a meh running machine that doesn't support all the games I would play... Without a doubt, I'd pass.trastamad03

Mac users don't game. That's why they can justify the 650m to cut costs I'd imagine.

[QUOTE="trastamad03"]Overpriced and the GTX650m isn't that good. Nvidia already released the GTX680m for Mobile which is actually pretty good. Not like it's desktop variant, but still quite performant. Paying about 2200$ to get a meh running machine that doesn't support all the games I would play... Without a doubt, I'd pass.Masenkoe

Mac users don't game. That's why they can justify the 650m to cut costs I'd imagine.

Honestly, it seems like the laptop does most things right. A monitor with that resolution would easily cost $1,000. This isn't a "gaming" laptop. Games will default to 1440x900 unless they support the display (Only game confirmed right now is Diablo 3, but I'm sure WoW/SC2 will follow) and the GT 650m is more than enough to play any game at nice settings at that 1440x900. The resoultion is for regular day-to-day internet browsing, video editing (most will probably be using Final Cut meaning they'd need a Mac anyways), and graphic design (Photoshop, AutoCAD, etc.); not to mention Macbooks tend to have great battery life and this Macbook will be lighter/thinner than most laptops. You're definitely paying a premium price, but many will be able to justify the price.

halo2_4_pc

Retina res is honestly just specs porn, anything above 1920 x 1080 is excessive and most people will never be able to notice the difference. Unless you're doing graphics work,.

that resolution is just too high for an laptop it retarded.

also nothing very impressive for the others specs

[QUOTE="halo2_4_pc"]

Honestly, it seems like the laptop does most things right. A monitor with that resolution would easily cost $1,000. This isn't a "gaming" laptop. Games will default to 1440x900 unless they support the display (Only game confirmed right now is Diablo 3, but I'm sure WoW/SC2 will follow) and the GT 650m is more than enough to play any game at nice settings at that 1440x900. The resoultion is for regular day-to-day internet browsing, video editing (most will probably be using Final Cut meaning they'd need a Mac anyways), and graphic design (Photoshop, AutoCAD, etc.); not to mention Macbooks tend to have great battery life and this Macbook will be lighter/thinner than most laptops. You're definitely paying a premium price, but many will be able to justify the price.

AdrianWerner

Retina res is honestly just specs porn, anything above 1920 x 1080 is excessive and most people will never be able to notice the difference. Unless you're doing graphics work,.

or 2560x1600

the problem is...at 1440 x 900 those games will look like crap. Playing games in not native res always makes them look bad and here the drop will be huge. But of course yes, it's not like anyone buys it for gaming.

Retina res is honestly just specs porn, anything above 1920 x 1080 is excessive and most people will never be able to notice the difference. Unless you're doing graphics work,.AdrianWerner

Which is kind of the point, though. If you need a workstation $2k isn't unreasonable, and if you don't that's what the MBA line is for.

if you go back in time and said you had 1920x1200 on your desktop lcd, they would say that's pointless...

or 2560x1600

JigglyWiggly_

So while it is a nice feature, but most people won't be able to aprecieate it and the downsides are pretty big.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]the problem is...at 1440 x 900 those games will look like crap. Playing games in not native res always makes them look bad and here the drop will be huge. But of course yes, it's not like anyone buys it for gaming.

Retina res is honestly just specs porn, anything above 1920 x 1080 is excessive and most people will never be able to notice the difference. Unless you're doing graphics work,.Slow_Show

Which is kind of the point, though. If you need a workstation $2k isn't unreasonable, and if you don't that's what the MBA line is for.

MBAs refreshes were pretty weak though, the whole line will soon be heavily lagging behind the higher end ultrabook market.AdrianWerner

Huh? They've been updated to IVB low-voltage CPUs with HD4000 and a more reasonable 4GB RAM standard. Aside from the Zenbook Prime's optional IPS display and the sh*tty 64GB SSD in the base MBA 11, that's as good as it's going to get for that size of laptop (and discounts the fact ultrabooks are still struggling with pricing, build quality, keyboard/trackpad quality, and generally feature bottom-of-the-barrel 1366x768 panels).

As far as I am concerned, the only thing apple really does right is laptops.

GummiRaccoon

As far as i'm concerned the only thing Apple does right is slavery. On a serious note: Way too expensive for a designer piece of pretty plastic.JohnF111

That is just a reasonable comment. Especially because I'm sure all the components in your PC/phone/TV/*insert consumer electronic device here* are sourced only from factories that run on rainbows and the power of love, right?

Cool screen resolution,

might have been better to go 120Hz and 3D or touchscreen like win8 does. But of course Apple fans will say these things are useless (I've heard this one today) and in a year when Apple finally integrate them in the system, they will claim inovation.

The hipsters will pay any price to have that stupid logo on their hardware. Meanwhile, the smart PC owners have gear that outperforms their crap AND is a fraction of the cost.

There's nothing an Apple can do that a PC can't do better. Nothing.

The fact that Apple even exists is a testament to just how stupid the average consumer really is.

The hipsters will pay any price to have that stupid logo on their hardware. Meanwhile, the smart PC owners have gear that outperforms their crap AND is a fraction of the cost.

There's nothing an Apple can do that a PC can't do better. Nothing.

The fact that Apple even exists is a testament to just how stupid the average consumer really is.

the problem is...at 1440 x 900 those games will look like crap. Playing games in not native res always makes them look bad and here the drop will be huge. But of course yes, it's not like anyone buys it for gaming.

Retina res is honestly just specs porn, anything above 1920 x 1080 is excessive and most people will never be able to notice the difference. Unless you're doing graphics work,.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

As far as I am concerned, the only thing apple really does right is laptops.

JohnF111

go find me a PC laptop that even comes close to anything apple makes.

dimensions count

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

As far as I am concerned, the only thing apple really does right is laptops.

JohnF111

Ridiculously overpriced, but thats par for the course for Apple.

Fizzman

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Ridiculously overpriced, but thats par for the course for Apple.

Mr_BillGates

biased noob.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]MBAs refreshes were pretty weak though, the whole line will soon be heavily lagging behind the higher end ultrabook market.Slow_Show

Huh? They've been updated to IVB low-voltage CPUs with HD4000 and a more reasonable 4GB RAM standard. Aside from the Zenbook Prime's optional IPS display and the sh*tty 64GB SSD in the base MBA 11, that's as good as it's going to get for that size of laptop (and discounts the fact ultrabooks are still struggling with pricing, build quality, keyboard/trackpad quality, and generally feature bottom-of-the-barrel 1366x768 panels).

Keyboard? Macbooks air use run of the mill chicklets, not any better than standard ones used in majority of ultrabooks and vastly inferior to one you can find in Thinkpad X1 carbon. Price? Ultrabooks are still cheaper than Airs, if only by a little. Built quality of them is excellent most of the time. The only thing Airs still excell at compared to others is trackpad, but even that gap is getting smaller and smaller

Bassicaly there's nothing special about Macbooks air anymore, they let other companies catch up and surpass them. It's not that Airs are bad, they're still will be excellent ultrabooks. But a year ago they untouchable in ultrabook market, while now they won't be a top dog anymore.

Not to mention considering how exciting the ultrabooks are getting now with the whole hybrids insanity, Air just seem plain boring. Altough of course it doesn't translate to their usability

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

As far as I am concerned, the only thing apple really does right is laptops.

GummiRaccoon

go find me a PC laptop that even comes close to anything apple makes.

dimensions count

With big laptops? COme close to what? THere are notebooks with more powerful hardware. There are notebooks with vastly better typing experience than Macbooks. There are also notebooks that are much sturdier built. It's not possible to say Macbooks are better than PC laptops or vice versa. Too many variables to consider. It all depends on what you want from your notebook. Obviously if you're graphics designer you will aprecieate the trackpad and insane res of new Pro. On the other hand if you're a gamer or 2D artist you will find many better options than Macbooks on PC market. If you're just a business man or a writer the high end Thinkads will be the best choice for you. It all depends on what you need from your notebook.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] As far as i'm concerned the only thing Apple does right is slavery. On a serious note: Way too expensive for a designer piece of pretty plastic.AdrianWerner

go find me a PC laptop that even comes close to anything apple makes.

dimensions count

With big laptops? COme close to what? THere are notebooks with more powerful hardware. There are notebooks with vastly better typing experience than Macbooks. There are also notebooks that are much sturdier built. It's not possible to say Macbooks are better than PC laptops or vice versa. Too many variables to consider. It all depends on what you want from your notebook. Obviously if you're graphics designer you will aprecieate the trackpad and insane res of new Pro. On the other hand if you're a gamer or 2D artist you will find many better options than Macbooks on PC market. If you're just a business man or a writer the high end Thinkads will be the best choice for you. It all depends on what you need from your notebook.

there is one things apple does rite that very few others do putting a non garbage lcd on a laptopJigglyWiggly_

But yes, Apple's always been good with laptop lcds (altough the ones in new Airs are a little meh). Currently the situations is greatly improving on PC market, with high res and high quality displays returning, but I think we can thank Apple for this progress as they are the ones who taught customers the value of quality displays and thus forced the whole competition to man up.

More and more new Ultrabooks are having higher res displays as options, while Airs are stuck in low-res area for the next year. Heck..at Computex most new ultrabooks shown were 1080p. THere are even some ultrabooks with discrete gpu incoming.

Keyboard? Macbooks air use run of the mill chicklets, not any better than standard ones used in majority of ultrabooks and vastly inferior to one you can find in Thinkpad X1 carbon. Price? Ultrabooks are still cheaper than Airs, if only by a little. Built quality of them is excellent most of the time. The only thing Airs still excell at compared to others is trackpad, but even that gap is getting smaller and smaller

Bassicaly there's nothing special about Macbooks air anymore, they let other companies catch up and surpass them. It's not that Airs are bad, they're still will be excellent ultrabooks. But a year ago they untouchable in ultrabook market, while now they won't be a top dog anymore.

Not to mention considering how exciting the ultrabooks are getting now with the whole hybrids insanity, Air just seem plain boring. Altough of course it doesn't translate to their usabilityAdrianWerner

Guess I haven't really been paying attention to Computex, but I don't recall hearing about any of the smaller-spec ultrabooks getting much better hardware than the Airs, just the larger 14"+ spec.

They may just be run of the mill chiclets, but between my experiences and what ultrabook reviews I've read they sure as hell are a lot nicer to type on (granted, I'm sure the Thinkpad would be better). Pricing wise I haven't seen anything that really beats the Air in an apples-to-apples comparison -- usually you end up with either a comparable price or something like a hybrid drive or hideous display. Build quality is definitely better than standard laptop fare, but again between my experience and reviews it lags Apple.

I guess the difference is (and again, maybe I've just missed all the exciting new stuff) that while ultrabooks collectively may have the features to beat the Air line, individually no one ever puts all the pieces together (at least, not until the Zenbook Primes launch and get Windows 8's scaling). Everyone manages to screw up one element or another -- they'll get there eventually, but as things stand they're not there yet.

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] As far as i'm concerned the only thing Apple does right is slavery. On a serious note: Way too expensive for a designer piece of pretty plastic.AdrianWerner

go find me a PC laptop that even comes close to anything apple makes.

dimensions count

With big laptops? COme close to what? THere are notebooks with more powerful hardware. There are notebooks with vastly better typing experience than Macbooks. There are also notebooks that are much sturdier built. It's not possible to say Macbooks are better than PC laptops or vice versa. Too many variables to consider. It all depends on what you want from your notebook. Obviously if you're graphics designer you will aprecieate the trackpad and insane res of new Pro. On the other hand if you're a gamer or 2D artist you will find many better options than Macbooks on PC market. If you're just a business man or a writer the high end Thinkads will be the best choice for you. It all depends on what you need from your notebook.

How many of those have 2880x1800 resolutions?

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

go find me a PC laptop that even comes close to anything apple makes.

dimensions count

GummiRaccoon

With big laptops? COme close to what? THere are notebooks with more powerful hardware. There are notebooks with vastly better typing experience than Macbooks. There are also notebooks that are much sturdier built. It's not possible to say Macbooks are better than PC laptops or vice versa. Too many variables to consider. It all depends on what you want from your notebook. Obviously if you're graphics designer you will aprecieate the trackpad and insane res of new Pro. On the other hand if you're a gamer or 2D artist you will find many better options than Macbooks on PC market. If you're just a business man or a writer the high end Thinkads will be the best choice for you. It all depends on what you need from your notebook.

How many of those have 2880x1800 resolutions?

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]In what? YOu will find ultrabooks that match or surpass Air.

With big laptops? COme close to what? THere are notebooks with more powerful hardware. There are notebooks with vastly better typing experience than Macbooks. There are also notebooks that are much sturdier built. It's not possible to say Macbooks are better than PC laptops or vice versa. Too many variables to consider. It all depends on what you want from your notebook. Obviously if you're graphics designer you will aprecieate the trackpad and insane res of new Pro. On the other hand if you're a gamer or 2D artist you will find many better options than Macbooks on PC market. If you're just a business man or a writer the high end Thinkads will be the best choice for you. It all depends on what you need from your notebook.

Toxic-Seahorse

How many of those have 2880x1800 resolutions?

I am going to tell you about a place, visualize it with me:

There is a place, where pixels are too small to be seen on displays from the distance people view them

In this place people do not know the word "anti-aliasing"

Come join me in this place.

The better apples huge resolution electronics sell, the faster we will all get to this place.

Some day friends, some day.

How many of those have 2880x1800 resolutions?

GummiRaccoon

But since when such resolution become the most important aspect of notebooks? Since yesterday I'm guessing ;)

New Macbook Pro definitely wins in display res with everything else. If that's the most important thing in laptop to you then sure..Macbook Pro is best. For a different person a completely different thing might be most important aspect of notebook, and in many areas Macbooks are far from the best, so for those people other notebooks will best.

There is a place, where pixels are too small to be seen on displays from the distance people view themGummiRaccoon

1920 is like that for majority of people on 13-15inches notebooks

In this place people do not know the word "anti-aliasing"

GummiRaccoon

[QUOTE="GummiRaccoon"]

How many of those have 2880x1800 resolutions?

AdrianWerner

But since when such resolution become the most important aspect of notebooks? Since yesterday I'm guessing ;)

New Macbook Pro definitely wins in display res with everything else. If that's the most important thing in laptop to you then sure..Macbook Pro is best. For a different person a completely different thing might be most important aspect of notebook, and in many areas Macbooks are far from the best, so for those people other notebooks will best.

Whats the point of any other "important aspect"? We buy it to look at the screen, we dont drool at the CPU do we?

the 13" models annoy me. one week before ivybridge i5's come out (dell have an emboargo on an ivybridge i5 at my work until june 15th), we have 2.5ghz apple macbooks that look like they are running on sandybrige.....

Im having a realy hard time deciding what PC to get at the moment but i no one thing i am sure of i want be getting a Apple product for sure.

Im having a realy hard time deciding what PC to get at the moment but i no one thing i am sure of i want be getting a Apple product for sure.

skipper847

Apple thrives off the ignorance of consumers. They'll pay any premium just to have that Apple logo on their laptop.

Sheeple.

Ive noticed its mainly TV and films who have apple product computer. Like i say will not be getting even if they released a next gen holodeck or something. :P