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#1 JangoWuzHere
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I bought this game a few months ago and can't really find a reason to go on playing. Right now I'm in Hell's kitchen looking for my brother paul. Does this game pick up later? So far, I find the story hard to follow and unintresting.

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#2 Treflis
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Sounds to me like you've just started, Yes it will pick up.
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#3 -Feath-
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If you're treating it just like an FPS it's kinda frustrating too, but you're basically at the start of the story arc. Hell, I am replaying it currently and I approached a situation in a way I'd never thought possible and it worked..insane scope.
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#4 JangoWuzHere
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Sounds to me like you've just started, Yes it will pick up.Treflis
IF by playing for 5 hours counts as just starting then sure.
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#5 JangoWuzHere
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[QUOTE="-Feath-"]If you're treating it just like an FPS it's kinda frustrating too, but you're basically at the start of the story arc. Hell, I am replaying it currently and I approached a situation in a way I'd never thought possible and it worked..insane scope.

I've been sneaking my way through most of the game, and sometimes getting it a gun fight.. It reminds me of Metal Gear in a certain way...only not as good....yet.
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#6 xWoW_Rougex
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Haha I need to give this game a serious chance someday. I tried it half a year ago and I couldn't even bother to get past the training rooms / tutorials. It's just like witcher, I stopped playing after like two hours. Why you ask? I don't want to have thousand complex things thrown at me the moment I enter the game. Just let me start up and chill a bit instead of immediately introducing fifty alchemy reciepts or giving me two hour long tutorials on how to pick locks and aim a gun.

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#7 JackBurton
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IF by playing for 5 hours counts as just starting then sure.JangoWuzHere
the first few missions serve as an extended tutorial; the game "starts" after Hell's Kitchen.

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#8 DJ_Lae
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I think it's one of those games you had to play when it came out. I've tried a couple of times to get into it (and spent more time with the game than I felt it deserved) but never really felt compelled by the gameplay or the story.
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#9 GeneralShowzer
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Maybe you are ten years too late?
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#10 khanabyss25
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the game starts to be enjoyable when youre in police headquarters, then you realise it was worth it to not uninstall it ^^

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#11 cyborg100000
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It's 10 years old so it's not really going to appeal to everyone, or many people at all.

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#12 Treflis
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[QUOTE="Treflis"]Sounds to me like you've just started, Yes it will pick up.JangoWuzHere
IF by playing for 5 hours counts as just starting then sure.

It does, particulary for that game.
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#13 fivex84
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It was a great game when it came out (one of my favorites) but it aged horribly.

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#14 deactivated-5b5d7639964d6
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It was a great game when it came out (one of my favorites) but it aged horribly.

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No it hasn't, I played it in 2008 or something and loved it. Maybe the TC just isn't that kind of gamer, TC have you actually been playing the game or just trying to finish it? Are you exploring every cranny, trying to find every log and items? Did did this to a point where you went into the woman's bathroom at UNATCO and Manderley scolded you for it and realized how much time was spent perfecting this game design and it's ability to approach objectives in multiple forms that no other game today has matched?
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Huh, when I made a thread about this very same thing I was blasted back to the stone age. I got to hong kong and stopped playing. I can see how it was great 10 years ago and ahead of its time but playing it today After being spoiled by the many great games released since then, It dosent really hold my interest. Tc if you really want to play this game install the new vision mod, it makes the graphics decent.

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#16 ChiliDragon
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[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"][QUOTE="Treflis"]Sounds to me like you've just started, Yes it will pick up.Treflis
IF by playing for 5 hours counts as just starting then sure.

It does, particulary for that game.

So when I start playing it, I should treat it as an RPG? (yay Steam sales! :) )
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#17 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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[QUOTE="fivex84"]

It was a great game when it came out (one of my favorites) but it aged horribly.

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No it hasn't, I played it in 2008 or something and loved it. Maybe the TC just isn't that kind of gamer, TC have you actually been playing the game or just trying to finish it? Are you exploring every cranny, trying to find every log and items? Did did this to a point where you went into the woman's bathroom at UNATCO and Manderley scolded you for it and realized how much time was spent perfecting this game design and it's ability to approach objectives in multiple forms that no other game today has matched?

I love how when some one points out how great this game is there is always something you must do or are not doing that makes the game great.............. A great game is great reguardless of how you play it.
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[QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"][QUOTE="fivex84"]

It was a great game when it came out (one of my favorites) but it aged horribly.

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No it hasn't, I played it in 2008 or something and loved it. Maybe the TC just isn't that kind of gamer, TC have you actually been playing the game or just trying to finish it? Are you exploring every cranny, trying to find every log and items? Did did this to a point where you went into the woman's bathroom at UNATCO and Manderley scolded you for it and realized how much time was spent perfecting this game design and it's ability to approach objectives in multiple forms that no other game today has matched?

I love how when some one points out how great this game is there is always something you must do or are not doing that makes the game great.............. A great game is great reguardless of how you play it.

Not true, not true at all.
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[QUOTE="ChiliDragon"][QUOTE="Treflis"][QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"] IF by playing for 5 hours counts as just starting then sure.

It does, particulary for that game.

So when I start playing it, I should treat it as an RPG? (yay Steam sales! :) )

yeah pretty much, using weapons that you're skilled with makes all the difference.
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#20 Baranga
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Did did this to a point where you went into the woman's bathroom at UNATCO and Manderley scolded you for it and realized how much time was spent perfecting this game design and it's ability to approach objectives in multiple forms that no other game today has matched?ZuluEcho14

Alpha Protocol dammit!

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yeah pretty much, using weapons that you're skilled with makes all the difference. IZoMBiEI
The Alpha Protocol approach? Neat. :)
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[QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"] No it hasn't, I played it in 2008 or something and loved it. Maybe the TC just isn't that kind of gamer, TC have you actually been playing the game or just trying to finish it? Are you exploring every cranny, trying to find every log and items? Did did this to a point where you went into the woman's bathroom at UNATCO and Manderley scolded you for it and realized how much time was spent perfecting this game design and it's ability to approach objectives in multiple forms that no other game today has matched?

I love how when some one points out how great this game is there is always something you must do or are not doing that makes the game great.............. A great game is great reguardless of how you play it.

Not true, not true at all.

I dont see how, when I play a game for the first time I play the way I want to play it, if it is worth another play trough I try and play it a different way if you are able to, to change it up. I dont read about how I should play it trough my first time around, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of a RPG?
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#23 KHAndAnime
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I bought this game a few months ago and can't really find a reason to go on playing. Right now I'm in Hell's kitchen looking for my brother paul. Does this game pick up later? So far, I find the story hard to follow and unintresting.

JangoWuzHere
Keep playing. Like most classic games, it requires you to put something into it before you get a lot out of it.
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#24 positivebalance
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it's a pretty old game. i tried playing it a while back, and couldn't get into it. but i could see why the game has such a following. i played it too late. these older games you need to play since the day they came out to really understand their appeal.

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#25 KHAndAnime
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it's a pretty old game. i tried playing it a while back, and couldn't get into it. but i could see why the game has such a following. i played it too late. these older games you need to play since the day they came out to really understand their appeal.

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Not true. I didn't play it until last year and it's easily one of my favorite PC games. I think it has more to do with not expecting current generation graphics and gameplay "innovations". It's easy for me to put myself in the mindset to appreciate older games because I grew up with them. Plus most games we play these days are a lot more focused around instant gratification, and that's sort of the generation we've become.
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#26 TJamesA
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Once you go into the airplane docked in the hangar and have a brutal showdown with some robot whore the game starts getting good.

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#27 VeryBumpy
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This is a 45-50hour game for a first time through-er. Lots of story and details to follow and figure out. If you need to be spoon fed excitement in games, you might as well quit and go play a game made for the masses.

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#28 Sniping_Crowbar
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Its a dated game the stroy is Ok at best, retty generic imho, and the combat is bad, but to be fair these were new things at the time and we just have somewhat higher standards today interms of how a game feels and plays. Its dated but its a decent game. The New deus Ex seems to bring the best of Deus ex 1 and modernize it as in makin it control better more fun, the new Deus ex already has more than 200,000 lines of conversation, more choices yadda yadda. SO all the interaction will be their but it will obviously look better and play better.

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#29 Sniping_Crowbar
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This is a 45-50hour game for a first time through-er. Lots of story and details to follow and figure out. If you need to be spoon fed excitement in games, you might as well quit and go play a game made for the masses.

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really i only took about 21 hours, and really what is with your elitist remark, If you need "spoon fed excitement" "game for the masses" as if your level or taste in games is above other peoples, maybe they are called better games. I wouldn't call Half-life 2, Uncharted 2, Gears of war all taht stuff spoon fed, its just the nature of the type of game they are action, not everyone wants to spend 50 hours crouching around corners, if anything Deus ex was more spoon feeding interms of story, the story was bland and not exciting or climactic at all, you should try reading about a story's climax it is what usually makes good novels.

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#30 StrawberryHill
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[QUOTE="positivebalance"]

it's a pretty old game. i tried playing it a while back, and couldn't get into it. but i could see why the game has such a following. i played it too late. these older games you need to play since the day they came out to really understand their appeal.

KHAndAnime

Not true. I didn't play it until last year and it's easily one of my favorite PC games. I think it has more to do with not expecting current generation graphics and gameplay "innovations". It's easy for me to put myself in the mindset to appreciate older games because I grew up with them. Plus most games we play these days are a lot more focused around instant gratification, and that's sort of the generation we've become.

I agree, KH. Your comment brings to mind something that makes me roll my eyes which I will get to in a second. I can appreciate that many people like to jump into a game and not have to think. If you're having fun, there's certainly no harm in that. I play plenty of games like that.

What makes me roll my eyes is when I read comments from people who say they didn't like a game because (I will paraphrase), "the controls sucked" or "there was too much information thrown at me" or "if I wanted to read a book, I'd read a book". I understand the appeal of wanting to play simple, fun games. I play them myself, but it's kind of annoying when people rate a game low because they are too lazy to learn something new to themselves.

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#31 biggest_loser
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Things really get interesting during and after Hell's Kitchen. Even though the visuals etc are dated I can still admire the thought that went into the interface, the skill system, the open level design, choices etc.
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#32 Karl319
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I got it yesterday on steams discount as well, I'm 4 hours in and I'm... confused. The narration is hard to understand for me at least. But, I can see why it was a good game in terms of gameplay elements. I still don't see anything remarkable though, but I'm still early in the game so I'll keep trying.
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#33 Eneru112
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Ignore these so called 'classic gamers'. they have their nostalgia goggles on 24/7. if you think the game isn't good then stop playing it. simple.

PS I didn't like it either

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#34 KHAndAnime
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Ignore these so called 'classic gamers'. they have their nostalgia goggles on 24/7. if you think the game isn't good then stop playing it. simple.

PS I didn't like it either

Eneru112
:roll: These claims are ignorant, there's probably a hundred gamers frequenting here that played Deus Ex for their first time post 2005 and loved the game.
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#35 GeneralShowzer
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I played the first Deus Ex this year, while i didn't love it i understand why it is so revered. I liked it more than most the crap that comes out today though.
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#36 KHAndAnime
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Another thing not discussed is how this game is at its best once on the second playhrough. That's when you really see all the different angles, aspects, and such that you can approach the game from. You can even use prior knowledge to complete objectives of future missions on the current mission and the voice overs and story will change to compensate it.
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#37 Eneru112
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[QUOTE="Eneru112"]

Ignore these so called 'classic gamers'. they have their nostalgia goggles on 24/7. if you think the game isn't good then stop playing it. simple.

PS I didn't like it either

KHAndAnime

:roll: These claims are ignorant, there's probably a hundred gamers frequenting here that played Deus Ex for their first time post 2005 and loved the game.

stop trying to fit in so hard

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#38 KHAndAnime
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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="Eneru112"]

Ignore these so called 'classic gamers'. they have their nostalgia goggles on 24/7. if you think the game isn't good then stop playing it. simple.

PS I didn't like it either

Eneru112

:roll: These claims are ignorant, there's probably a hundred gamers frequenting here that played Deus Ex for their first time post 2005 and loved the game.

stop trying to fit in so hard

It has nothing to do with fitting it. It has to do with having an attention span and be able to see a game for its gameplay and not for its shiny graphics. I feel sorry for people who can't appreciate classics.
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#39 -Feath-
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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="Eneru112"]

Ignore these so called 'classic gamers'. they have their nostalgia goggles on 24/7. if you think the game isn't good then stop playing it. simple.

PS I didn't like it either

Eneru112

:roll: These claims are ignorant, there's probably a hundred gamers frequenting here that played Deus Ex for their first time post 2005 and loved the game.

stop trying to fit in so hard

He's right though. I'm purely objective and can see that Deus Ex has many, many flaws but it also outshines almost every single game in scope, depth, writing, intelligence and so on. Hell, when I think about it, there was more thought put into the placement of doors in Deus Ex than put into an entire game this generation. Something that banal really shows how intelligent the game is. Each to their own and all that, if you don't like it fine; but you simply cannot disregard hundreds of thousands of people who adore this game; it deserves it.
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I think this is a love it hate it game. People that love it defend it with there life every time there is a thread like this, then there are people that can just not understand the appeal the game has. Mirrors edge is like this for me, I would give the game a 9.5, I loved it and am playing trough a 2nd time, but most here will feel about mirrors edge, the way i feel about Dues ex. In the end its all opinions, but if you are 5 hrs in and dont like the game STOP PLAYING it dosent magically get better and turn in to a completely different game then you are already hating.

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#41 kimkim01
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[QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"] Did did this to a point where you went into the woman's bathroom at UNATCO and Manderley scolded you for it and realized how much time was spent perfecting this game design and it's ability to approach objectives in multiple forms that no other game today has matched?Baranga

Alpha Protocol dammit!

You sir are my new hero.

On topic, yes, the game does get better. It doesn't hold your hand the way this generation's games do, which might take some getting used to. And to add some fuel to the fire, I watched one of my friends playing this so-called great MGS game and it felt like he was watching the game with me :D

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#42 kimkim01
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Once you go into the airplane docked in the hangar and have a brutal showdown with some robot whore the game starts getting good.

TJamesA

HA! I remember that one. During my first playthrough there wasn't a brutal showdown, I was just following orders. Second playthrough, I left some mines by the door. :D

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[QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"] Did did this to a point where you went into the woman's bathroom at UNATCO and Manderley scolded you for it and realized how much time was spent perfecting this game design and it's ability to approach objectives in multiple forms that no other game today has matched?Baranga

Alpha Protocol dammit!

Doesn't that game have forced boss battles?
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#44 Macutchi
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it's an undeniable classic game but i can see how it could be a bit inaccessible for people who didn't play it within the first few years of release. sometimes its like that with old games, even classics

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#45 positivebalance
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[QUOTE="ZuluEcho14"][QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"] I love how when some one points out how great this game is there is always something you must do or are not doing that makes the game great.............. A great game is great reguardless of how you play it.Advid-Gamer
Not true, not true at all.

I dont see how, when I play a game for the first time I play the way I want to play it, if it is worth another play trough I try and play it a different way if you are able to, to change it up. I dont read about how I should play it trough my first time around, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of a RPG?



play something easier, like fable. that should suit your tastes.

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[QUOTE="Eneru112"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] :roll: These claims are ignorant, there's probably a hundred gamers frequenting here that played Deus Ex for their first time post 2005 and loved the game.-Feath-

stop trying to fit in so hard

He's right though. I'm purely objective and can see that Deus Ex has many, many flaws but it also outshines almost every single game in scope, depth, writing, intelligence and so on. Hell, when I think about it, there was more thought put into the placement of doors in Deus Ex than put into an entire game this generation. Something that banal really shows how intelligent the game is. Each to their own and all that, if you don't like it fine; but you simply cannot disregard hundreds of thousands of people who adore this game; it deserves it.

I'm not trying to be provocative here but I don't believe anyone can be purely objective. I know I'm not, everything I do is subject to my own unique experiences. I didn't see many many flaws but I do agree with you assessment of the thought going into the game.

It took me a long time to play through the game because I would play different stratagies as I went. I know a save anywhere you want system. Who Knew?:)

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#47 ChiliDragon
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I dont see how, when I play a game for the first time I play the way I want to play it, if it is worth another play trough I try and play it a different way if you are able to, to change it up. I dont read about how I should play it trough my first time around, wouldnt that defeat the purpose of a RPG?Advid-Gamer
If you read a walk-through, yes. If you read a guide that covers only the game-play, no. In Dragon Age, the first boss battle took me all of four seconds to finish -- solid one-hit kills by the boss on every single one of my party, including me. So I turned off the game, grabbed the manual, and actually read the sections on combat and NPC tactics, realized I'd been doing everything completely wrong and went back to try again. Beat him with ridiculous ease once I changed my approach to combat and played the game the way the developers intended the game to be played.

it's an undeniable classic game but i can see how it could be a bit inaccessible for people who didn't play it within the first few years of release. sometimes its like that with old games, even classics

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I'd say it's actually a lot more common with classics. They have loyal fans who, intentionally or unintentionally, build up a lot of hype and high expectations, that the game then has difficulties living up to.
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#48 Macutchi
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[QUOTE="Macutchi"]

it's an undeniable classic game but i can see how it could be a bit inaccessible for people who didn't play it within the first few years of release. sometimes its like that with old games, even classics

ChiliDragon

I'd say it's actually a lot more common with classics. They have loyal fans who, intentionally or unintentionally, build up a lot of hype and high expectations, that the game then has difficulties living up to.

good point, agreed

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I'll admit that Deus Ex appears a bit dated now (especially graphically), it is a pretty old game. You have to remember that one of the reasons it suffers in comparison to some modern games is that those modern games look back to Deus Ex for the inspiration. Deus Ex once set a standard, one that has been imitated many times. Alpha Protocol and Mass Effect? Deus Ex is where those games started. It's really the first game in the FPS/RPG type of genre. Current games can do a lot of the things Deus Ex did better, simply because computers and consoles can handle longer, more complicated coding and AI today, but Deus Ex is really where it started.

That said, not everyone is going to be able to get past its dated standards and graphics. I feel a bit sorry for the people who didn't get to play it when it first came out, because it was really fantastic by all standards at that time. Even today it's one of my 5 favorite games of all time, and I think I'm going to go install it again.

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I finally finished it after 2 years of sitting on my shelf. Yes, it is a very long game, and unfortunately I had to cheat towards the end. I recomend sticking with the game because if you take too long of break you'll forget the complex story