Not seeing the appeal of Deus Ex...yet

I bought this game a few months ago and can't really find a reason to go on playing. Right now I'm in Hell's kitchen looking for my brother paul. Does this game pick up later? So far, I find the story hard to follow and unintresting.

JangoWuzHere

I have played for a few more hours and I'm starting to like it a lot more. I'm in hong kong now and snuck my way through the Versa life building. After uploading date for the sword the alarms went off and I had to fight my way out of the building which was kinda cool.

Things really get interesting during and after Hell's Kitchen. Even though the visuals etc are dated I can still admire the thought that went into the interface, the skill system, the open level design, choices etc. biggest_loser

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Things really get interesting during and after Hell's Kitchen. Even though the visuals etc are dated I can still admire the thought that went into the interface, the skill system, the open level design, choices etc. smokeydabear076

Well, i just finsihed the game, lol ANOTHER playthrough, its true what they say about this game, every time someone mentions it you wanna replay it. Infact i just finished it and i want to replay it :shock: because i saw this thread. I am jokking :P If someone does not like it, then i dont blame that person, the game has tons of weird things that frustrate the experiance, there is a diffirence between holding your hand and use skills on every item to make the game hard and complicated as hell, in other words weaken the player. Anyway in my opinion the pacing is the same, the appeal of the game is how much you can interact with the world and do diffirent things. The only way it gets better is by the way the story changes and evolves. I will agree with the user who said that we should take the nostalgia googles off, its time that we leave the game behind and give the new games a chance. What do i mean? Well when human revolution will come out, everyone will bash it for the things that it will do worse than deus ex and no one will praise its good counterparts. On the other hand, i will. I will praise the good parts on the game and the things that they fixed from the previous 2 games. Lets give new games a chance.dakan45

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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Things really get interesting during and after Hell's Kitchen. Even though the visuals etc are dated I can still admire the thought that went into the interface, the skill system, the open level design, choices etc. KHAndAnime

Yeah, I still like it to this day (the ai hasn't aged well though), but I guess I can't really blame others for not getting into it. No game satisfies everyone. Personally, I don't see myself recommending it to anyone anymore, just because graphics have become such a big deal.

smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Things really get interesting during and after Hell's Kitchen. Even though the visuals etc are dated I can still admire the thought that went into the interface, the skill system, the open level design, choices etc. KHAndAnime

That's the true rub. People have changed so they reflect the games that are made these days. Style over substance. Gameplay sacrificed for quick thrills and eye candy. I don't mind that people like different things it's just too bad the things I think are good in games are being diluted and homogenized into an indistinguishable mass of checkpoint to checkpoint consolitus crap. Not all just most.

What i mean is this, many people her call the new games more of a flash ove substance and good gameplay. While the gameplay nowadays is simplified to work well in consoles and have less features. While those things are true, most of those old pc games have tons of unbalanced stuff and pointless features/skills. Vampire masquarade is famous for both. But on the deus ex matter there are things that dont make much sense and it will be better if the developers bothered to change them. For example how the hell a pistol in the future has 6 rounds capacity and why you have to stand still for 10 seconds to be accurate? Why moving even one stop forward destroyes your accuracy? Whats the meaning of pointless skills lke enviromental training and throwing? In most new games those pointless skills are removed, pickups are used with needing skill and grenades are thrown without having to be skilled. Basicly it makes gameplay more varied and less "stick to your skills" Most people miss all those things that gamedevelopers have done in order to balance the game for the best experiance and simply bash them for being more simple. For example i remember in Moh pacific assault the developers doubled the amount of ammo in the machinegun in order to improve gameplay for the player. Those little things that come from testing are improving the experiance and i like the fact that more and more devs bother with them and fix what they did wrong with the first game.dakan45

And I like the skill selection of weapons, but I think there could be a better way of making the benefits of mastering a weapon obvious other than allowing you to aim accurately right away opposed to being ridiculously inaccurate when "untrained" with the weapon. Maybe increasing your damage, range, rate of fire (with melee weapons), and allowing you to use special upgrades or something like that... I'm not even sure if weapon skills will be in the prequel, but if they do add them then those are ways that could make the choice important without restricting the player too much.

As for the 6 rounds in a pistol, I agree, that's stupid, but so is the universal ammo of the sequel. If they try to streamline it in dumb ways like that in the prequel then I'll be disappointed. I'm pretty optimistic about it though, from what I've seen and heard, sure some things aren't the way I'd like them to be (health regen mainly), but overall I think it'll be fun, more so than many recent shooters.

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Yeah, I still like it to this day (the ai hasn't aged well though), but I guess I can't really blame others for not getting into it. No game satisfies everyone. Personally, I don't see myself recommending it to anyone anymore, just because graphics have become such a big deal.

ChiliDragon

I know of the Deus Ex: New Vision mod, but I've haven't tried it out yet, so I don't know what it's like. I did try the HDTP (whatever the letters are) pack a long time ago, and I didn't like that because it only improved some of the textures, so when the boxes looked all fancy, but the environment textures didn't it was just wrong.

smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

I know of the Deus Ex: New Vision mod, but I've haven't tried it out yet, so I don't know what it's like. I did try the HDTP (whatever the letters are) pack a long time ago, and I didn't like that because it only improved some of the textures, so when the boxes looked all fancy, but the environment textures didn't it was just wrong.

ChiliDragon

Cool, is it just a tweak guide or a mod that you are using?

smokeydabear076

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]

Cool, is it just a tweak guide or a mod that you are using?

ChiliDragon

Haha I need to give this game a serious chance someday. I tried it half a year ago and I couldn't even bother to get past the training rooms / tutorials. It's just like witcher, I stopped playing after like two hours. Why you ask? I don't want to have thousand complex things thrown at me the moment I enter the game. Just let me start up and chill a bit instead of immediately introducing fifty alchemy reciepts or giving me two hour long tutorials on how to pick locks and aim a gun.

xWoW_Rougex

*sigh*

:(

Attitudes like this kill interesting, challenging gaming

should have played it when it was released..

Yeah, I know what you mean. I was just aiming towards the nostalgia thing in general, I don't like it when people say that because they act like that's the only possible way someone could enjoy the game when that's simply not true. I didn't even know throwing was a skill, but environmental training helps you use the armor and hazard suit things more effectively, if I remember correctly; although I think that isn't very useful as you say. If anything, they could have combined some of the less useful skills into the more useful ones.

And I like the skill selection of weapons, but I think there could be a better way of making the benefits of mastering a weapon obvious other than allowing you to aim accurately right away opposed to being ridiculously inaccurate when "untrained" with the weapon. Maybe increasing your damage, range, rate of fire (with melee weapons), and allowing you to use special upgrades or something like that... I'm not even sure if weapon skills will be in the prequel, but if they do add them then those are ways that could make the choice important without restricting the player too much.

As for the 6 rounds in a pistol, I agree, that's stupid, but so is the universal ammo of the sequel. If they try to streamline it in dumb ways like that in the prequel then I'll be disappointed. I'm pretty optimistic about it though, from what I've seen and heard, sure some things aren't the way I'd like them to be (health regen mainly), but overall I think it'll be fun, more so than many recent shooters.smokeydabear076

I agree completly. First of all i know what nostalgia is and when i reinstall half life, far cry or deus ex i dont do it because of nostalgia, i do it because i play them and play them and keep playing them. Meaning that there are good games. I remember one game that i really enjoyed playing the first time called gun. I tried replaying it many times but i couldnt progress it, i found myself bored replaying. Thats nostalgia. Remembering you had fun back then but when you try to play it for that matter, you find it that its not that much of a great game anymore. What i think is the issue is that games nowadays have changed so much in comparison with how they used to be that it kinda seems either pointles or uncomfortable to play old games mainly because they are so diffirent from today's standards. Thats what i meant, no one is giving new games a chance because they are diffirent but also admitedly in a way of simplification and i strongly agree that the older games are better tahn the new ones.

Well on the enviromental training thing. Thats what i mean, i think its pointless to hav a skill that increases how well you use a hazmat suit or a ballistic vest. I think that it should be removed and pick ups like that should be used as they are. Dont forget it takes too much space. Same goes for the grenades, make them more easy to use, more fluid if you wish. What i saw in the demo of the new deus ex game is that they are taking a new direction on the combat, more fps, with a cover system and health regen, aslo meele executions. While it seems very diffirent from deus ex i think that its a nice reboot that will provide a diffirent perspevtive a more action focuses if you wish, more like all those matrix like movies we saw back when the first game came out and we try to mimick then because JC looked alot like them :lol: Admitedly i would like to see for once how is it like to play a deus ex game with accuracte guns and health regenaration. I would like to see the universe into a more fast paced gameplay if you wish. Still that wont turn it into another shooter. But it will be fun to see how it will be like if you dont have to use every soda and candybar you find to heal yourself :lol:

As for the unversal ammo in the sequel? Let me first say that the sequel was dumb in many ways, level design, and combat espeically, oh and whats the deal with multiools=lockpicks and instant hack? That is what i call simplification, it serves no purpuse into making the game more accessable, it seems more like they had a limited amount of scripts to use and couldnt bother with more ammo types. From what i saw in the demo they did not show any mutlitools or lockpick but they showed that the player had to pick up a boc to climb to a window in a big military base like level and there was a crossbow with a scope. So we can say that it will have no universal ammo.

Also another thing, the bossfights in deus ex were very bland and often annoying, first we got Anna inside a small area and blowing up when she dies, then we got Gunther with a flamethrower that blinds my vision and the fire kills me pretty first and we got walter simons with a plasma rifle that fires very fast and powerfull green blasts that completly blind me and i cant see in order to take a shot. If anything in the new game the bossfights will be more fluid judging by that mech guy i saw in the demo. So yeah, more action, definetly better than invisible war and more fluid. Maybe it wont turn as good as the first but it sure as hell looks great.

Well, holding and shooting a gun while standing still is quite difficult enough IRL (especially for me since I have weaker arms than legs because I played a little football but didn't bother with my arms) so I would call myself probably "Untrained" in using a gun. Guess what? It's hard to hit what you're aiming for not only due to recoil but also due to strain, a handgun is pretty heavy.

Reminds me of the pistol mechanics from a certain FPS-RPG game. :P

Well, holding and shooting a gun while standing still is quite difficult enough IRL (especially for me since I have weaker arms than legs because I played a little football but didn't bother with my arms) so I would call myself probably "Untrained" in using a gun. Guess what? It's hard to hit what you're aiming for not only due to recoil but also due to strain, a handgun is pretty heavy.

Reminds me of the pistol mechanics from a certain FPS-RPG game. :P

kimkim01

[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"]Yeah, I know what you mean. I was just aiming towards the nostalgia thing in general, I don't like it when people say that because they act like that's the only possible way someone could enjoy the game when that's simply not true. I didn't even know throwing was a skill, but environmental training helps you use the armor and hazard suit things more effectively, if I remember correctly; although I think that isn't very useful as you say. If anything, they could have combined some of the less useful skills into the more useful ones.

And I like the skill selection of weapons, but I think there could be a better way of making the benefits of mastering a weapon obvious other than allowing you to aim accurately right away opposed to being ridiculously inaccurate when "untrained" with the weapon. Maybe increasing your damage, range, rate of fire (with melee weapons), and allowing you to use special upgrades or something like that... I'm not even sure if weapon skills will be in the prequel, but if they do add them then those are ways that could make the choice important without restricting the player too much.

As for the 6 rounds in a pistol, I agree, that's stupid, but so is the universal ammo of the sequel. If they try to streamline it in dumb ways like that in the prequel then I'll be disappointed. I'm pretty optimistic about it though, from what I've seen and heard, sure some things aren't the way I'd like them to be (health regen mainly), but overall I think it'll be fun, more so than many recent shooters.dakan45

I agree completly. First of all i know what nostalgia is and when i reinstall half life, far cry or deus ex i dont do it because of nostalgia, i do it because i play them and play them and keep playing them. Meaning that there are good games. I remember one game that i really enjoyed playing the first time called gun. I tried replaying it many times but i couldnt progress it, i found myself bored replaying. Thats nostalgia. Remembering you had fun back then but when you try to play it for that matter, you find it that its not that much of a great game anymore. What i think is the issue is that games nowadays have changed so much in comparison with how they used to be that it kinda seems either pointles or uncomfortable to play old games mainly because they are so diffirent from today's standards. Thats what i meant, no one is giving new games a chance because they are diffirent but also admitedly in a way of simplification and i strongly agree that the older games are better tahn the new ones.

Well on the enviromental training thing. Thats what i mean, i think its pointless to hav a skill that increases how well you use a hazmat suit or a ballistic vest. I think that it should be removed and pick ups like that should be used as they are. Dont forget it takes too much space. Same goes for the grenades, make them more easy to use, more fluid if you wish. What i saw in the demo of the new deus ex game is that they are taking a new direction on the combat, more fps, with a cover system and health regen, aslo meele executions. While it seems very diffirent from deus ex i think that its a nice reboot that will provide a diffirent perspevtive a more action focuses if you wish, more like all those matrix like movies we saw back when the first game came out and we try to mimick then because JC looked alot like them :lol: Admitedly i would like to see for once how is it like to play a deus ex game with accuracte guns and health regenaration. I would like to see the universe into a more fast paced gameplay if you wish. Still that wont turn it into another shooter. But it will be fun to see how it will be like if you dont have to use every soda and candybar you find to heal yourself :lol:

As for the unversal ammo in the sequel? Let me first say that the sequel was dumb in many ways, level design, and combat espeically, oh and whats the deal with multiools=lockpicks and instant hack? That is what i call simplification, it serves no purpuse into making the game more accessable, it seems more like they had a limited amount of scripts to use and couldnt bother with more ammo types. From what i saw in the demo they did not show any mutlitools or lockpick but they showed that the player had to pick up a boc to climb to a window in a big military base like level and there was a crossbow with a scope. So we can say that it will have no universal ammo.

Also another thing, the bossfights in deus ex were very bland and often annoying, first we got Anna inside a small area and blowing up when she dies, then we got Gunther with a flamethrower that blinds my vision and the fire kills me pretty first and we got walter simons with a plasma rifle that fires very fast and powerfull green blasts that completly blind me and i cant see in order to take a shot. If anything in the new game the bossfights will be more fluid judging by that mech guy i saw in the demo. So yeah, more action, definetly better than invisible war and more fluid. Maybe it wont turn as good as the first but it sure as hell looks great.

*spoilers*

But anyway, about the bosses I actually liked them because if you planned things out you could actually kill them really easily, sometimes without even getting hit or firing a shot. For example you could activate Anna and Gunther's killswitches before you fought them and all you'd do is say something and they'd blow up. As for Simons, last time I played I just shot him in the head a bunch with my stealth pistol before he even said anything to me. Sometimes I wish that in both games and movies they'd stop the ridiculous theatrics and just let people die really easily, if you ask me, that's more shocking. That's why I liked Hitman, your goal was to kill big bosses, but getting there was the hard part, not necessarily the act itself.

Haha I need to give this game a serious chance someday. I tried it half a year ago and I couldn't even bother to get past the training rooms / tutorials. It's just like witcher, I stopped playing after like two hours. Why you ask? I don't want to have thousand complex things thrown at me the moment I enter the game. Just let me start up and chill a bit instead of immediately introducing fifty alchemy reciepts or giving me two hour long tutorials on how to pick locks and aim a gun.

xWoW_Rougex

There are two companies who I can point out that does such a great job at this and it's Blizzard and Valve. Games like World of Warcraft and Team Fortress 2 are easy to understand to jump into and yet has a exceptional curve of acurring complexity for players that play these games long enough to venture for. I will even add Will Wright for developing games like The Sims or Spore for the support of being sufficent in such game design for players like me to enjoy their games. Thank you..

]I couldn't agree more, and there is so much truth to this. There is a portion of Gamers that really believes throwing complexity at the start for a player is what gaming should be all about and it's not. That's not to say there shouldn't be complex games from the very start to the very end for a portion of those gamers, but there are some of us who admires a fine balance between simplicity and complexity for video games.OoSuperMarioO

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]]I couldn't agree more, and there is so much truth to this. There is a portion of Gamers that really believes throwing complexity at the start for a player is what gaming should be all about and it's not. That's not to say there shouldn't be complex games from the very start to the very end for a portion of those gamers, but there are some of us who admires a fine balance between simplicity and complexity for video games.ChiliDragon

Marvelous.