Nudity in Dragon Age still up for debate

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#101 gamerguy845
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This is really turning into a bigger deal then it should be.

-Bioware does what Bioware wants... wait Bioware does what the media won't go crazy over :roll:

On a serious note, I don't think what they do ( romance/no romance ) will make that much of an impact on the core game.

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#102 zomglolcats
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Personally I think nudity in games is just cheesy, like some gimmick to lure teens into buying it. If I'm playing a game I'd rather it didn't have any nudity. It only seems to reinforce the stereotype of the lonely nerd who can't get a date. To me, it adds nothing in entertainment value to the game. If people want to look at porn, well then they'll look at real porn.

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#103 siafni
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It's rated mature, so I don't see why on earth there should be a problem with that. Is really a sex scene worse than brutal kills on a game? pathetic.

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#104 deactivated-59d151f079814
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Personally I think nudity in games is just cheesy, like some gimmick to lure teens into buying it. If I'm playing a game I'd rather it didn't have any nudity. It only seems to reinforce the stereotype of the lonely nerd who can't get a date. To me, it adds nothing in entertainment value to the game. If people want to look at porn, well then they'll look at real porn.

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Most games I see nudity in are ones like The Witcher which most teens have little to no interest what so ever.. The majority of teens are attracted to over all violence instead of nudity imo... Outside the hot coffee incident for instance, GTA was never renowned or popular for its sexual overtones.. But for its violence, story, and gameplay mechanics that focuses on said violence.. As I have said earlier as long as its realistically done I have no problem with it.. Games are rated mature for a reason, and I can't help to think that people find guys heads bursting open by metal presser.. But when they see a breast or a butt they freak out.
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#105 crazyfist36
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there are some serious prudes caught in this thread. grow up. if these are the things that bother you in life you should have some chlorine. seriously, why is this an issue? are some of you afraid that if there is nudity in the game you're going to **** is enough obscene material all around us ion this world to make this ajuvenile and immature point of concern.get over it. in fact you should be happy that there are companies that want to bring MATURE experiences to gamers and not cut corners. WW2 games (most of them) aren't bloody or brutal enough but no one complains there? probably because the same turds are afraid of the sight of blood...or god forbid A VIRTUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE REAL WORLD IN GAMES!

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there are some serious prudes caught in this thread. grow up. if these are the things that bother you in life you should have some chlorine. seriously, why is this an issue? are some of you afraid that if there is nudity in the game you're going to **** is enough obscene material all around us ion this world to make this ajuvenile and immature point of concern.get over it. in fact you should be happy that there are companies that want to bring MATURE experiences to gamers and not cut corners. WW2 games (most of them) aren't bloody or brutal enough but no one complains there? probably because the same turds are afraid of the sight of blood...or god forbid A VIRTUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE REAL WORLD IN GAMES!

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I'm not a prude, I just have doubts that MOST devs would actually use it to good affect and not be a painfully transparent money grabbing tactic. "Hey buy our game, it has naked boobies!" If done correctly well then fine, but I just don't think that most (note: I said most, not all) devs have what it takes to do it right. Then it just ends up being a distraction from the overall game and doesn't add anything of value, and makes the game almost comical in some respects. I mean really, would anybody take "Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball: FULLY NUDE" seriously? The Witcher was fine, but as my previous statement shows, I'm afraid most would abuse it.
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#107 deactivated-59d151f079814
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="crazyfist36"]

there are some serious prudes caught in this thread. grow up. if these are the things that bother you in life you should have some chlorine. seriously, why is this an issue? are some of you afraid that if there is nudity in the game you're going to **** is enough obscene material all around us ion this world to make this ajuvenile and immature point of concern.get over it. in fact you should be happy that there are companies that want to bring MATURE experiences to gamers and not cut corners. WW2 games (most of them) aren't bloody or brutal enough but no one complains there? probably because the same turds are afraid of the sight of blood...or god forbid A VIRTUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE REAL WORLD IN GAMES!

I'm not a prude, I just have doubts that MOST devs would actually use it to good affect and not be a painfully transparent money grabbing tactic. "Hey buy our game, it has naked boobies!" If done correctly well then fine, but I just don't think that most (note: I said most, not all) devs have what it takes to do it right. Then it just ends up being a distraction from the overall game and doesn't add anything of value, and makes the game almost comical in some respects. I mean really, would anybody take "Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball: FULLY NUDE" seriously? The Witcher was fine, but as my previous statement shows, I'm afraid most would abuse it.

And what would you say about over the top violence than?
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#108 zomglolcats
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="crazyfist36"]

there are some serious prudes caught in this thread. grow up. if these are the things that bother you in life you should have some chlorine. seriously, why is this an issue? are some of you afraid that if there is nudity in the game you're going to **** is enough obscene material all around us ion this world to make this ajuvenile and immature point of concern.get over it. in fact you should be happy that there are companies that want to bring MATURE experiences to gamers and not cut corners. WW2 games (most of them) aren't bloody or brutal enough but no one complains there? probably because the same turds are afraid of the sight of blood...or god forbid A VIRTUAL REPRESENTATION OF THE REAL WORLD IN GAMES!

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I'm not a prude, I just have doubts that MOST devs would actually use it to good affect and not be a painfully transparent money grabbing tactic. "Hey buy our game, it has naked boobies!" If done correctly well then fine, but I just don't think that most (note: I said most, not all) devs have what it takes to do it right. Then it just ends up being a distraction from the overall game and doesn't add anything of value, and makes the game almost comical in some respects. I mean really, would anybody take "Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball: FULLY NUDE" seriously? The Witcher was fine, but as my previous statement shows, I'm afraid most would abuse it.

And what would you say about over the top violence than?

In that respect it seems devs are able to pull that off a lot better than any previous nudity attempts (not counting the Witcher).

But I'm not quite sure why this is such an important issue to most people. I mean really, do people really care if a game has nudity? I don't. But I do care when devs use it as a cheap cash in tactic. Yes, they might do the same for over the top violence, but I've seen a lot more games that use violence to good effect compared to ones using nudity. Of course, games like Mortal Kombat are ridiculous. Still can be fun, but still ridiculous.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zomglolcats"] I'm not a prude, I just have doubts that MOST devs would actually use it to good affect and not be a painfully transparent money grabbing tactic. "Hey buy our game, it has naked boobies!" If done correctly well then fine, but I just don't think that most (note: I said most, not all) devs have what it takes to do it right. Then it just ends up being a distraction from the overall game and doesn't add anything of value, and makes the game almost comical in some respects. I mean really, would anybody take "Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball: FULLY NUDE" seriously? The Witcher was fine, but as my previous statement shows, I'm afraid most would abuse it.zomglolcats
And what would you say about over the top violence than?

In that respect it seems devs are able to pull that off a lot better than any previous nudity attempts (not counting the Witcher).

What nudity attempts are we talking here because I think I can count them on one hand.. Nudity in games is not a marketing tool what so ever, its infact a liability to piss off numerous politicians and the like I highly doubt nudity is a real marketing tool... The only related marketing tool that has been successful is just having sexy protagonist with some skimpy clothing such as Tomb Raider.
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#110 zomglolcats
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] And what would you say about over the top violence than?sSubZerOo
In that respect it seems devs are able to pull that off a lot better than any previous nudity attempts (not counting the Witcher).

What nudity attempts are we talking here because I think I can count them on one hand.. Nudity in games is not a marketing tool what so ever, its infact a liability to piss off numerous politicians and the like I highly doubt nudity is a real marketing tool... The only related marketing tool that has been successful is just having sexy protagonist with some skimpy clothing such as Tomb Raider.

Well again, I'm just wondering why it's so important of an issue to people that a game has nudity? I mean I'm asking that in all seriousness. Why do you think games should have it? Okay I know, they are "mature" games, but I just don't see how it would make them "better". While the Witcher used it fairly okay, I thought the card collecting was pretty lame.
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Also in regards to violence, it makes a lot more sense. For just about any game, your goal is killing something. And the over the top violence makes it more satisfying when you do kill something, because you completely destroyed the opposition in a visual manner. I'm failing to see how nudity can offer that same sort of satisfaction here.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zomglolcats"] In that respect it seems devs are able to pull that off a lot better than any previous nudity attempts (not counting the Witcher).zomglolcats
What nudity attempts are we talking here because I think I can count them on one hand.. Nudity in games is not a marketing tool what so ever, its infact a liability to piss off numerous politicians and the like I highly doubt nudity is a real marketing tool... The only related marketing tool that has been successful is just having sexy protagonist with some skimpy clothing such as Tomb Raider.

Well again, I'm just wondering why it's so important of an issue to people that a game has nudity? I mean I'm asking that in all seriousness. Why do you think games should have it? Okay I know, they are "mature" games, but I just don't see how it would make them "better". While the Witcher used it fairly okay, I thought the card collecting was pretty lame.

I am personally indifferent, I just think its a stupid double standard.. Where in games like the Condemned series where you can curb stomp people, or burst their heads in the metal presser.. Seriously now do you understand why its silly to argue if a breast is shown when we already have graphic stuff shown in games like that.
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Also in regards to violence, it makes a lot more sense. For just about any game, your goal is killing something. And the over the top violence makes it more satisfying when you do kill something, because you completely destroyed the opposition in a visual manner. I'm failing to see how nudity can offer that same sort of satisfaction here.zomglolcats
Violence in it being graphic is a what we consider realism often times.. Nudity is another facet of realism if its done approiately just like what we saw the Witcher, than we shouldn't have a problem with it.. Seriously people confuse me, they are ok seeing peoples heads bursting like watermellons spraying all over the characters shirt.. But the moment they see a breast they feel dirty or that its inapproriate.. Maybe I am missing something, but I find this completely ridiculous and a double standard that is a product of hypocritical society morals.
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] What nudity attempts are we talking here because I think I can count them on one hand.. Nudity in games is not a marketing tool what so ever, its infact a liability to piss off numerous politicians and the like I highly doubt nudity is a real marketing tool... The only related marketing tool that has been successful is just having sexy protagonist with some skimpy clothing such as Tomb Raider.sSubZerOo
Well again, I'm just wondering why it's so important of an issue to people that a game has nudity? I mean I'm asking that in all seriousness. Why do you think games should have it? Okay I know, they are "mature" games, but I just don't see how it would make them "better". While the Witcher used it fairly okay, I thought the card collecting was pretty lame.

I am personally indifferent, I just think its a stupid double standard.. Where in games like the Condemned series where you can curb stomp people, or burst their heads in the metal presser.. Seriously now do you understand why its silly to argue if a breast is shown when we already have graphic stuff shown in games like that.

Well I'm not arguing that games shouldn't have nudity in them. My main complaint is that it would be poorly done. I'm not one of those people that download the Left 4 Dead or Sims 3 nude skins. And I'm afraid that most devs would cater to that demographic if they started putting in nudity. You are right in the regard that if we show blood and guts flying everywhere, nudity should be the least of our concerns, but I'm talking about the game itself, not what is decent or proper.

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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zomglolcats"] Well again, I'm just wondering why it's so important of an issue to people that a game has nudity? I mean I'm asking that in all seriousness. Why do you think games should have it? Okay I know, they are "mature" games, but I just don't see how it would make them "better". While the Witcher used it fairly okay, I thought the card collecting was pretty lame.zomglolcats
I am personally indifferent, I just think its a stupid double standard.. Where in games like the Condemned series where you can curb stomp people, or burst their heads in the metal presser.. Seriously now do you understand why its silly to argue if a breast is shown when we already have graphic stuff shown in games like that.

Well I'm not arguing that games shouldn't have nudity in them. My main complaint is that it would be poorly done. I'm not one of those people that download the Left 4 Dude or Sims 3 nude skins. And I'm afraid that most devs would cater to that demographic if they started putting in nudity. You are right in the regard that if we show blood and guts flying everywhere, nudity should be the least of our concerns, but I'm talking about the game itself, not what is decent or proper.

Don't you understand that the teen demographic is nonexistent due to the fact that parents would not allow it? Parents love their graphic violence, but the moment they see a bare boob they will boycott it all to hell. Nudity in games has always been niche and for young adults and older.. The teen demographic is HALO, not the Witcher.. The Witcher is most assuredly all adult.. See where I am getting at?
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Here's a perfect example of a terrible cash in: http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/chambarabeautyx/index.html?tag=result;title;0 Granted, the game is absolute garbage, and would still be garbage without "nudity" (in this case, just scantily clad women, so not really nudity). I'm afraid that most devs would go this route.
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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I am personally indifferent, I just think its a stupid double standard.. Where in games like the Condemned series where you can curb stomp people, or burst their heads in the metal presser.. Seriously now do you understand why its silly to argue if a breast is shown when we already have graphic stuff shown in games like that.sSubZerOo
Well I'm not arguing that games shouldn't have nudity in them. My main complaint is that it would be poorly done. I'm not one of those people that download the Left 4 Dude or Sims 3 nude skins. And I'm afraid that most devs would cater to that demographic if they started putting in nudity. You are right in the regard that if we show blood and guts flying everywhere, nudity should be the least of our concerns, but I'm talking about the game itself, not what is decent or proper.

Don't you understand that the teen demographic is nonexistent due to the fact that parents would not allow it? Parents love their graphic violence, but the moment they see a bare boob they will boycott it all to hell. Nudity in games has always been niche and for young adults and older.. The teen demographic is HALO, not the Witcher.. The Witcher is most assuredly all adult.. See where I am getting at?

Well no actually that demographic does exist. See above link.
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[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="zomglolcats"] Well I'm not arguing that games shouldn't have nudity in them. My main complaint is that it would be poorly done. I'm not one of those people that download the Left 4 Dude or Sims 3 nude skins. And I'm afraid that most devs would cater to that demographic if they started putting in nudity. You are right in the regard that if we show blood and guts flying everywhere, nudity should be the least of our concerns, but I'm talking about the game itself, not what is decent or proper.zomglolcats
Don't you understand that the teen demographic is nonexistent due to the fact that parents would not allow it? Parents love their graphic violence, but the moment they see a bare boob they will boycott it all to hell. Nudity in games has always been niche and for young adults and older.. The teen demographic is HALO, not the Witcher.. The Witcher is most assuredly all adult.. See where I am getting at?

Well no actually that demographic does exist. See above link.

Please name a multimillion seller like GTA and Halo which demographic is largely young teens, that rivals these two series through nudity.. And the only real sellers are people with skimp clothing, NOT nudity.. The volley ball game for instance was skimpy not nude.. Even than its not a big seller..
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#120 Treflis
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It's rated mature, so I don't see why on earth there should be a problem with that. Is really a sex scene worse than brutal kills on a game? pathetic.

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Bingo.

While I live in Europe and we got a more "relaxed" view on this subject, I do find it odd that 1. Parents let children play Mature games where you can kill, curse and such. and 2. consider a brief sex scene like in Mass Effect or Indigo Prophecy to be far worse then killing people with a flame thrower and automatic weapons.

It's not like they allow small kids to see mature movies in the Cinema so why let them play something intended for a mature audience.

This kind of Logic seems to be ignored by many.

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I just thought this has to do with the subject.... I just got a warning from a mod about my signature... it had the word Penis in it... honestly... a penis is offensive? You may not like it, but this word is by no means offensive...
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I just thought this has to do with the subject.... I just got a warning from a mod about my signature... it had the word Penis in it... honestly... a penis is offensive? You may not like it, but this word is by no means offensive...Phelaidar

it's a culture thing, just like this nudity thing can actually generate buzz. for Americans, sex could be indecent or obscene (a matter of degree) while killing couldn't be.

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[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] I am personally indifferent, I just think its a stupid double standard.. Where in games like the Condemned series where you can curb stomp people, or burst their heads in the metal presser.. Seriously now do you understand why its silly to argue if a breast is shown when we already have graphic stuff shown in games like that.sSubZerOo
Well I'm not arguing that games shouldn't have nudity in them. My main complaint is that it would be poorly done. I'm not one of those people that download the Left 4 Dude or Sims 3 nude skins. And I'm afraid that most devs would cater to that demographic if they started putting in nudity. You are right in the regard that if we show blood and guts flying everywhere, nudity should be the least of our concerns, but I'm talking about the game itself, not what is decent or proper.

Don't you understand that the teen demographic is nonexistent due to the fact that parents would not allow it? Parents love their graphic violence, but the moment they see a bare boob they will boycott it all to hell. Nudity in games has always been niche and for young adults and older.. The teen demographic is HALO, not the Witcher.. The Witcher is most assuredly all adult.. See where I am getting at?

The Witcher is a great game and i'm in my early teens. I enjoyed the entire thing.

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#125 Crimsader
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The game's rated M. So I don't see what's the people's problem with nudity. They show you "real" things and you refuse them.
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#126 Litchie
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Need more sex in games.
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#127 Dan_Lero
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Please don't revive old threads, thanks.