Nvidia CEO: The PC Has Lost its Magic

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

[QUOTE="mirgamer"] way to lose the plot...the guy isn't talking about pc vs consoles at all. You got to remind yourself sometimes, the world outside doesnt revolves around what happens in System Wars....mirgamer

We're in PC gaming, right? Did I get lost somewhere along the way? I glanced up top again and no, I'm not lost. And tell me, what are PC gaming's competitors, again? Oh, right, consoles. And what is Nvidia known for? *gasp* Oh, that's right! Creating video cards that allow us to play games that look better than ever before! Gosh, we're such fools.

And we're discussing how PC's don't amaze us as much as they once did. And for me, a large reason of that is PC gaming was incredible years ago when it was so far ahead of consoles. But today, that's not the case. I could give a rat's ass if that's exactly what the article pinpoints (PC gaming versus that found on consoles). I just made those points because, to me, that's what really signifies how far the PC's "more powerful than anything else" status has fallen.

You shouldn't take things so seriously, pretending to be the System Wars police every chance you get. Really, you don't earn bonus points for trying to "out" us and claim we're taking the discussion elsewhere.

EDIT - 3000 posts. And I couldn't have earned them in a more valiant way.

Here's a clue : The NVIDIA CEO...is not talking about PC vs consoles.

Now with that in mind, you can read the article again in a completely different light. Hurray.

I'll repeat myself because you seem to have great difficulty comprehending:

While I realize the CEO/article is not pinpointing PC gaming versus console gaming (or even completely focusing on PC gaming itself), to me what really signifies the decline in the dominance and "magic" of PCs is the way in which they've fallen behind in the gaming department or in which consoles have been able to catch up to them, whereas a long time ago, when PCs were truly magical, they gave experiences that were absolutely not found anywhere else. I don't care if it's gaming or not. But back then, speaking of gaming, they were so far ahead of consoles it wasn't funny. This decline over time (consoles catching up slowly but surely) is what really makes me, a gamer, realize the fact that PCs have lost their magic.

And I'll repeat this, also: We're in the PC gaming forum. PC GAMING. It's only natural that an article posted regarding a PC's "magic" will be discussed on the grounds of PC gaming and the power PCs hold in that area.

Now, must I repeat these points once more, or did you finally grasp it this time so that you can go police elsewhere?

I'm sure he'll say differently when his company offers a DX11 card that can compete and make money too.
Ziiiinnnnngggggg!

cybrcatter

Gaming has lost it's magic, on PC or consoles. At least most of today's titles aren't as fun as '80s and '90s games.

RyuRanVII

I think multiplatform games have resulted in no real technical leaps since Crysis. The positive is that games are not as demanding as they once used to be, and a 2006 8800gtx, for example, maxes out almost all of them without problems. Multiplatform development which tries to make each version great and well optimized is what we need more of. Some developers like Valve are good at this.

[QUOTE="supertrooper23"]som1 hit that guy for me. k thx.SLIisaownsystem

this man is a god without him you would still live with 8 colours

I do like the fact that he's asian-american and it's nice to see a fellow AA break the glass ceiling, but that's about it.

Nvidia as a corporation I don't particularly like certain aspects of unethical behavior. Product re-branding to mislead masses, physx being proprietry, and Batman AA issue.

I could easily overlook all these things but then they missed the due date for Fermi and had no choice but to go with the 5xxx series instead, can't wait months for a nice dx11 card.

Just because he is getting ATI is dominating with the 5xxx series... PC has not lost its magic yet, not until I can play Avatar like cg in real time.

[QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

Thank god, I can actually spend more money on games instead of upgrading every 2 years.

My CPU is pretty much mid-high end from mid-2007 (Core 2 Duo E6600) and yet I can still run every single game out there on max or close to max.

dakan45

The fact that a game such as GTA4 which really doesn't have the greatest graphics requires such a high end computer is pretty scary.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="HenriH-42"]

Thank god, I can actually spend more money on games instead of upgrading every 2 years.

My CPU is pretty much mid-high end from mid-2007 (Core 2 Duo E6600) and yet I can still run every single game out there on max or close to max.

GPAddict

The fact that a game such as GTA4 which really doesn't have the greatest graphics requires such a high end computer is pretty scary.

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

Gaming has lost it's magic, on PC or consoles. At least most of today's titles aren't as fun as '80s and '90s games.

F1_2004

I don't think it's hardware I think it's software not a lot of real meat grinding engines being put out besides the obvious but I mean look at the Unreal 3 engine and Source, they're not pushing hardware anymore.

The only real advancement for PC's is speed and graphical prowess. I see where's he's coming from, no real new developments have been done for some time. Recall when the original Wolfenstein 3D came out, that was a PC highlight, introducing the first ever 3D game. Doom then expanded that. Before these it was all 2D or wireframe.
It's hard pressed to find a game made for some time that creates a new era of gaming. With the Toushcreen scene coming into effect more now, maybe start coding games for those. You walk up to a console ingame, and then use your fingers to access the control panel. Mass Effect 2 should have touchscreen implementation for conversations etc. These sample advancements is what the PC needs now.
For some time now it's become stale, where a new game comes out and we all say "wow, look at those pretty graphics". That's not a true new inventive PC future.

note: not flaming PC, I'm only a PC gamer.

Gaming has lost it's magic, on PC or consoles. At least most of today's titles aren't as fun as '80s and '90s games.

The PC has lost its magic because only very few groups of people are advancing the software side, where as better and better hardware is constantly pumped out. We need more people like Carmack.

If he thinks the PC has lost it's magic, I think he's dillusional. While I don't deny that there is room for growth and new uses for the powerful hardware that we have, the fact is that the PC has nothing to do with it. The current PC "as we know it" still has ALOT more untapped potential, especially when it comes to just raw graphics, sound, and physics realism. The problem is being caused by developers who don't take advantage of the massive hardware capabilities that today's PCs have, because they can make more money devoting their time and efforts to making console games.

Let's get the focus back on the real problem Mr. Nvidia, and stop making excuses for yourself and the rest of the corporate world. We need PC-exclusive titles to bring the magic back, not gimmicks and excuses.

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]

I'm sure he'll say differently when his company offers a DX11 card that can compete and make money too.
Ziiiinnnnngggggg!

the_mitch28

I'd rather go back to an nVidia DX9 card than buy an ATi.

Id rather go back to an ATI DX8 card then ever own a nvidia again

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Apart from gta iv that you need a quad core...and arma 2 i believe!!!HenriH-42

They both actually work quite well even on my dual core. Not anywhere near max,but good enough. :)

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

We're in PC gaming, right? Did I get lost somewhere along the way? I glanced up top again and no, I'm not lost. And tell me, what are PC gaming's competitors, again? Oh, right, consoles. And what is Nvidia known for? *gasp* Oh, that's right! Creating video cards that allow us to play games that look better than ever before! Gosh, we're such fools.

And we're discussing how PC's don't amaze us as much as they once did. And for me, a large reason of that is PC gaming was incredible years ago when it was so far ahead of consoles. But today, that's not the case. I could give a rat's ass if that's exactly what the article pinpoints (PC gaming versus that found on consoles). I just made those points because, to me, that's what really signifies how far the PC's "more powerful than anything else" status has fallen.

You shouldn't take things so seriously, pretending to be the System Wars police every chance you get. Really, you don't earn bonus points for trying to "out" us and claim we're taking the discussion elsewhere.

EDIT - 3000 posts. And I couldn't have earned them in a more valiant way.

Here's a clue : The NVIDIA CEO...is not talking about PC vs consoles.

Now with that in mind, you can read the article again in a completely different light. Hurray.

I'll repeat myself because you seem to have great difficulty comprehending:

While I realize the CEO/article is not pinpointing PC gaming versus console gaming (or even completely focusing on PC gaming itself), to me what really signifies the decline in the dominance and "magic" of PCs is the way in which they've fallen behind in the gaming department or in which consoles have been able to catch up to them, whereas a long time ago, when PCs were truly magical, they gave experiences that were absolutely not found anywhere else. I don't care if it's gaming or not. But back then, speaking of gaming, they were so far ahead of consoles it wasn't funny. This decline over time (consoles catching up slowly but surely) is what really makes me, a gamer, realize the fact that PCs have lost their magic.

And I'll repeat this, also: We're in the PC gaming forum. PC GAMING. It's only natural that an article posted regarding a PC's "magic" will be discussed on the grounds of PC gaming and the power PCs hold in that area.

Now, must I repeat these points once more, or did you finally grasp it this time so that you can go police elsewhere?

I don't think the real "magic" of the P.C. lies in its technical superiority.

It still maintains a very large edge over consoles.... but in relatively subtle regards. Either way, the P.C.s graphics are just a part of an experience unique to that platform... one that's not defined by aesthetic pushes but by the ability of the player to delve into the very game itself and change it to suit his needs and contribute what his own little creations to other players. An experience defined by the most ambitious, innovative and heartful products in the entire industry and the freedom of the platform's many users to bring their piece to the table for the sake of further enjoyment amongst all.

[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="F1_2004"] Because you are old.04dcarraher

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="zomglolcats"] While that wasn't really the nicest way to put it, there is a bit of truth to that. If you've been gaming for a long time, well then of course you're going to look upon the early days as being greater. It was new and exciting then. Now it's old hat. That doesn't mean games are worse. In reality they are a lot better. It's just that we've been around the block with gaming.zomglolcats

I couldn't resist. I'm very delighted that I found an arcade room near my home this last weekend.

I couldn't resist. I'm very delighted that I found an arcade room near my home this last weekend.

OoSuperMarioO

The only game I play in the arcade is Tekken 6

He is exactly right. At one point, PC gaming technology was so far ahead of consoles it wasn't even funny. Today? Not so much. The 360 and PS3 more than hold their own when put next to the PC other than a few rare scenarios. The PC has indeed lost its magic. Or most of it, anyways. But I'm still a PC gamer through and through.

THA-TODD-BEAST

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

He is exactly right. At one point, PC gaming technology was so far ahead of consoles it wasn't even funny. Today? Not so much. The 360 and PS3 more than hold their own when put next to the PC other than a few rare scenarios. The PC has indeed lost its magic. Or most of it, anyways. But I'm still a PC gamer through and through.

Gamesterpheonix

yeah seriously, upgrade the n64 with the memory expansion.

xbox with online &hdd, 360 with changable hdd and streaming movies, ps3 with installation of OS, internet browsing, changing of hdd with any laptop hdd that would fit...

lol next console batch might have upgradable gpu's, or cpu's as well as more ram... lmao the line between console and pc is fading.

keyboard + mouse > gamepad

lmao the line between console and pc is fading.

Lach0121

Gaming has lost it's magic, on PC or consoles. At least most of today's titles aren't as fun as '80s and '90s games.

RyuRanVII

[QUOTE="zomglolcats"][QUOTE="F1_2004"] Because you are old.04dcarraher

the reason PCs havent evolved is because theyve never had to.

Sure, the visuals have gotten better, but thats about it.

As far as the fundamentals, what is better than a Windows OS, mouse, and keyboard?

The PC is like the shark or crocodile...they never had to change, and neither does the PC.

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

I couldn't resist. I'm very delighted that I found an arcade room near my home this last weekend.

GPAddict

The only game I play in the arcade is Tekken 6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM0N15QR-sI&

Absolutely marvelous!

The PC hasn't lost anything - the game developers are stagnated.

They need to move into the next phase of game programming - 64-bit optimization - which Capcom already started with Devil May Cry 4.

With a major push into 64-bit games, you have much more RAM for across-the-board improvements in gaming.

Capcom even included a video benchmarking section in DMC4.

Could you imagine the sophistication of a NPC AI that was purely 64-bit? Tons more decisions as well as more lifelike.

The PC hasn't lost anything - the game developers are stagnated.

They need to move into the next phase of game programming - 64-bit optimization - which Capcom already started with Devil May Cry 4.

With a major push into 64-bit games, you have much more RAM for across-the-board improvements in gaming.

Capcom even included a video benchmarking section in DMC4.

Could you imagine the sophistication of a NPC AI that was purely 64-bit? Tons more decisions as well as more lifelike.

topsemag55

As far as I know the "x-bits" means that there is up to x bits available to be used by a single entity.

Numerically, a 32 bit entity has up to 2^32 possible dispositions (4 Gbs) while a 64 bit entity has 2^64 possible dispositions (16 Ebs, or 16 Gigas of Gbs), both of which are completely overkill for AI processing that only executes scripts according to checks and ifs.

The AI sophistication has, therefore, next to nothing to do with the current memory architecture. Only the developer's skills determines the good execution of AI.

[QUOTE="mirgamer"]

[QUOTE="THA-TODD-BEAST"]

We're in PC gaming, right? Did I get lost somewhere along the way? I glanced up top again and no, I'm not lost. And tell me, what are PC gaming's competitors, again? Oh, right, consoles. And what is Nvidia known for? *gasp* Oh, that's right! Creating video cards that allow us to play games that look better than ever before! Gosh, we're such fools.

And we're discussing how PC's don't amaze us as much as they once did. And for me, a large reason of that is PC gaming was incredible years ago when it was so far ahead of consoles. But today, that's not the case. I could give a rat's ass if that's exactly what the article pinpoints (PC gaming versus that found on consoles). I just made those points because, to me, that's what really signifies how far the PC's "more powerful than anything else" status has fallen.

You shouldn't take things so seriously, pretending to be the System Wars police every chance you get. Really, you don't earn bonus points for trying to "out" us and claim we're taking the discussion elsewhere.

EDIT - 3000 posts. And I couldn't have earned them in a more valiant way.

THA-TODD-BEAST

Here's a clue : The NVIDIA CEO...is not talking about PC vs consoles.

Now with that in mind, you can read the article again in a completely different light. Hurray.

I'll repeat myself because you seem to have great difficulty comprehending:

While I realize the CEO/article is not pinpointing PC gaming versus console gaming (or even completely focusing on PC gaming itself), to me what really signifies the decline in the dominance and "magic" of PCs is the way in which they've fallen behind in the gaming department or in which consoles have been able to catch up to them, whereas a long time ago, when PCs were truly magical, they gave experiences that were absolutely not found anywhere else. I don't care if it's gaming or not. But back then, speaking of gaming, they were so far ahead of consoles it wasn't funny. This decline over time (consoles catching up slowly but surely) is what really makes me, a gamer, realize the fact that PCs have lost their magic.

And I'll repeat this, also: We're in the PC gaming forum. PC GAMING. It's only natural that an article posted regarding a PC's "magic" will be discussed on the grounds of PC gaming and the power PCs hold in that area.

Now, must I repeat these points once more, or did you finally grasp it this time so that you can go police elsewhere?

hardware has reached a mature level, making it one of the reasons why PCs no longer amaze us as they once did

so now that the pc gpu's have conquered high quality graphics..whats next

The Nvidia CEO foresees a future where gesture recognition and computer "vision" come into play, when a PC knows that its owner is sitting in front of the screen simply by observing the user's face, the way he moves and speaks. While that may sound a bit far-fetched and ripped straight out of a science fiction movie, Huang believes it to be a possibility in the next generation.

"These kinds of capabilities are certainly within the next generation, because we have created a processor for the GPU that makes it possible to do parallel processing so much faster on a PC," he told the BBC. "We think this GPU technology is going to transform computing in a way bring back the magic to consumers."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM0N15QR-sI&

Absolutely marvelous!

OoSuperMarioO

So I'm guessing you are a big fan of TECHNO??? Not that there is anything wrong with that.

[QUOTE="OoSuperMarioO"]

Absolutely marvelous!

GPAddict

So I'm guessing you are a big fan of TECHNO??? Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Probably the best score ever composed for a video game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCDx0e1GIyc

I've been overwhelm by Nostalgia, but I'm getting sick of hearing scores in videogames that sounds as if they correlate with a movie film.