OMG! Games these days are so let down!!!

Have you guys noticed how badly finished these games are lately?

Operation Flashpoint 2 - no pre release demo, you buy the game and there's no online play at launch! The movement and game feels robotic and dated, yet in all the trailers it looks fast paced. The latest patch doesn't help. We can play online now, but people have to host themselves, they will only hit start if they get 30 people in the lobby. So no dedicated servers for this game. You get shot at from miles away and wonder what just happened. The bots walking around you, they are annoying and distract you. The graphics are semi OK, the scenery is nice, but limited with draw distance, anything further than 50 mtrs has no texture, that sort of thing.

Modern Warfare 2 - IWnet is hell! No dedicated servers and you're spending most of your time looking to join, then when you do join it has a bad host and lags to hell, then spend 30 seconds trying to find a better host OR disconnects completely. The graphics look really nice, but the gameplay is let down by the technical issues. When wanting to invite a buddy, they have to quit the game and click a link through Steam. Why can't we just have everything in game???

Alien vs Predator Demo - looks amazing!!!! Spent 1 hour downloading it through Steam, again it looks to fail like MW2 with no dedicated server. Spending most of your time trying to connect. The movement is rather sluggish and when you hit jump, it's like 1ft off the ground, sorry but why is that even in the game? The graphics are definitely an improvement on the old AVP games, but the gameplay ... well just go try it for yourself from Steam. I uninstalled the demo after 15 minutes and cancelled my preorders.

Borderland - never reallly played this or looked at it, but I read up that this too was having online issues.

Settlers 6: Rise of an Empire - the gameplay is totally different to how you know it from Settlers 1 - 4. You don't have coal, gold to mine... it's just Iron. You have a knight that can magically buy the next region, so you don't extend land anymore. You're limited on how many soldiers you can train, so bye bye big nice battles. The graphics again, are very nice, but the gameplay sucks. I even read on the Settler forums with the hardcore players, they still play on the old versions!

So what the hell is everyone up to?? Making eye candy games, yet the technical issues which should have never arisen. I played Joint Operations by Novalogic for many years, nice dedicated servers for 100's of people to play online together. The game then got overun by cheats/hacks etc.

Any gaming company out there, it's not ALL about the graphics! Sort out a nice fluid connection menu and sort out dedicated servers. You make millions off us buying the game.

A word of advice for anyone out there, WAIT for a demo! Even when they pull the marketting trick of releasing the game before a demo.

I'm struggling to find any decent online games with well known names!!!

AvP has dedicated servers and server browser in the full version, and they patched the demo - it finds games fast now. You just played it with the Marine? It takes some time to get used to it, it's not an arcade game anymore. They released the 2000 version on Steam, play that if you can't get over the changes.

I played as an Alien and Marine. The demo was a fresh download via Steam. There's no option in game to turn off your microphone either. Was talking to my Brother on TS and ingame, with an echo. Turned off TS and tried talking in game, no options anywhere ingame for voice. I did get to play about 3 maps after connection issues, but my Brother's connection dropped him out of the lobby, so we didn't get to play together. As I said, people should try the demo of a game before buying, so go try this demo through Steam. I'm not trying to force my opinion on others, just being vocal about how lame some of these games really are! They're concetrating on eyecandy to get the sales.

You should give AvP another shot. The game will have a lot more modes and maps then the demo, plus dedicated servers. Not to mention 3 awesome single player campaigns. Also at first I didn't really like the controls, but after playing a couple games in a row as an Alien, I'm really enjoying the game now. The controls aren't half bad. You can leap from wall to wall in quick succession, easily losing an enemy (if trying to run) or get behind them. I've yet to play as Predator and the Marine seems kind of weak, but I love the Alien.

I think it's pretty idiotic to judge a game based on ONE map with only 8 players (when there will be 18 in the full game) and only ONE mode (when there will be Team Deathmatch and Survivor gametypes)

I wasn't sure about buying the game and kind of hated it the first couple games, but after taking a day off and coming back to it, I can say I will definitely be picking it up.

Also Borderlands is amazing so it shouldn't even be on your list.

all those games looked bad, and they turned out bad. Modern warfare 2 is the one exception, except with no dedicated servers we knew it would be console like gameplay. Left 4 Dead 2, Stalker: Call Of Pripyat, Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, Divinity 2, are games I can vouch for that came out recently.

Idiotic to have an opinion? I was basing it on the gameplay, not however many players or the map. Read it again. I'm basing it on how the movements feel and the crappy connection it has on the demo. If there's to be dedicated servers, then great. I'm basing my opinions on what I've tried.Anarchist-TKC-1

Based it on gameplay? You said you only played for 15 minutes and then you uninstalled it. That is not nearly enough time to judge a game. I didn't like the game at first either, but the more you play it the more you like it. Also I'm used to the controls now, and actually like them. (though a higher sensitivity would be nice). I only had problems with connection the first day the demo was out, have not had any problems since.

Rebellion definitely screwed up with the demo. People are basing their judgments on one map and one gametype (should have been team deathmatch), when the full game is going to have so much more to offer, not to mention the 3 campaigns. I mean, you didn't even know that the full game will have dedicated servers!

How lame of me for not knowing about dedicated servers! GOSH. Stop twisting this away, from the fact that I tried the demo, both myself and my Brother, we both believe the gameplay is lame. We're saying the graphics are good, the feel of movement, style of play is crap. This is not basing it on how many players or whichever map, but how it feels.

How lame of me for not knowing about dedicated servers! GOSH. Stop twisting this away, from the fact that I tried the demo, both myself and my Brother, we both believe the gameplay is lame. We're saying the graphics are good, the feel of movement, style of play is crap. This is not basing it on how many players or whichever map, but how it feels.

Anarchist-TKC-1

All I'm saying is you are basing your judgments on a game when you don't know all the details, not to mention you only played for 15 minutes. I guess that is Rebellion's fault, for releasing the demo the way they did, but whatever. And I too said that I thought it was lame after my first few games, but the more you play it, the more you get the hang of it, and the more fun it becomes. This game is going to be great for TD and the other Survivor gametypes. But hey, if you don't like the game then that's fine. Just trying to share my experiences with the demo.

Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat and your opinion will change. One of the best games I have ever played.SF_KiLLaMaN

yeah, you will rarely see the pc exclusives now days, big companies always want their game availble on all platforms, which means that the PC versions will always (and have to ) look like console versions unless developers want to make seperate user interface for PC users.

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat and your opinion will change. One of the best games I have ever played.dakan45

yeah, you will rarely see the pc exclusives now days, big companies always want their game availble on all platforms, which means that the PC versions will always (and have to ) look like console versions unless developers want to make seperate user interface for PC users.

chapman86

I bet if any of today's games got released 10 years ago (during the golden age of PC gaming), people would crap their pants with excitement. I agree the rate of improvement has slowed down over the last few years, but the last couple of years have been great for PC gaming. 2009 was awesome, 2010 looks good too so far. F1_2004

Graphically I can completely agree. If these games were released 10 years ago...

But my gripe is regarding their downfalls. Why have all of these games got problems? Why do game developers concentrate on the graphics and forget about the basics (getting the game working properly)? I've listed my gripe for each game above, they all do look really great, but you can't play them due to the technical crap. If any games company is going to release a game without a pre launch demo, they're obviously hiding something nasty. It's a marketing ploy and we the customers keep falling for the hype. I tend to try before I buy, so it's the best advice I can give, get the demo first and don't be stung with your wasted money. The games these days really should have the graphics AND the gameplay, with so many years of computer games, we know what we want, yet we're stuck in a rutt with technical compromises. I wish I was a games tester :P

Graphically I can completely agree. If these games were released 10 years ago...

But my gripe is regarding their downfalls. Why have all of these games got problems? Why do game developers concentrate on the graphics and forget about the basics (getting the game working properly)? I've listed my gripe for each game above, they all do look really great, but you can't play them due to the technical crap. If any games company is going to release a game without a pre launch demo, they're obviously hiding something nasty. It's a marketing ploy and we the customers keep falling for the hype. I tend to try before I buy, so it's the best advice I can give, get the demo first and don't be stung with your wasted money. The games these days really should have the graphics AND the gameplay, with so many years of computer games, we know what we want, yet we're stuck in a rutt with technical compromises. I wish I was a games tester :P

Anarchist-TKC-1

Yeah, i agree, where is left 4 dead on that list? :Ddakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Yeah, i agree, where is left 4 dead on that list? :DDJ_Headshot

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"][QUOTE="dakan45"]Yeah, i agree, where is left 4 dead on that list? :Dmillerlight89

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat and your opinion will change. One of the best games I have ever played.millerlight89

[QUOTE="dakan45"]Yeah, i agree, where is left 4 dead on that list? :DDJ_Headshot

[QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat and your opinion will change. One of the best games I have ever played.dakan45

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat and your opinion will change. One of the best games I have ever played.SF_KiLLaMaN

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="dakan45"] Not trying to be annoying, but the graphics and gameplay are the definition of the word "letdown" from what i have seen!dakan45

The AvP demo is a total failure on Rebellions part. It gives us NO INDICATION OF HOW THE FINAL GAME WILL PLAY!

Isn't that the point of a **** demo?! I will NEVER touch the DM mode. It feels totally out of place in the AvP universe. We wont have this broken worthless matchmaking system. We will have robust single and multi-player modes. This is a crappy 360 demo thats 3 months old from what I hear. I think the devs were pressured to wrap it up by Sega and didn't have time to make aproper demo for the PC heads cause we're the new black sheep.

Graphically I can completely agree. If these games were released 10 years ago...

But my gripe is regarding their downfalls. Why have all of these games got problems? Why do game developers concentrate on the graphics and forget about the basics (getting the game working properly)? I've listed my gripe for each game above, they all do look really great, but you can't play them due to the technical crap. If any games company is going to release a game without a pre launch demo, they're obviously hiding something nasty. It's a marketing ploy and we the customers keep falling for the hype. I tend to try before I buy, so it's the best advice I can give, get the demo first and don't be stung with your wasted money. The games these days really should have the graphics AND the gameplay, with so many years of computer games, we know what we want, yet we're stuck in a rutt with technical compromises. I wish I was a games tester :P

Anarchist-TKC-1

Two points:

1) Some games come out well, others.. not so well. That's the truth today and it was the truth a decade ago. There are awesome gems that will be remebered later and for each gem there's a dozen mediocre (or worse) games that'll be forgotten in a month.

2) I think people nowadays tend to judge games a lot more critically than we did 10 years (or whatever time period you want to use) ago. If I think back on some of my favorite games, they were far from perfect, flaws that would feel like a personal insult in a modern game were often overlooked because the rest of the game was great. Or flaws and limitations that would be unacceptable in todays games were simply the norm.

It's the same with all other forms of entertainment. If you decide to buy a game / CD / movie / vacation to wherever, you run a risk of being disapointed or feeling like you didnt get your monys worth. I don't think it's any worse today than it was 'back then'.

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat and your opinion will change. One of the best games I have ever played.millerlight89

[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="dakan45"] Not trying to be annoying, but the graphics and gameplay are the definition of the word "letdown" from what i have seen!dos4gw82

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"] Have you even played the game? My god all you do is gripe about people's games they like. It is getting old.RedDanDoc

He isnt a troll at all. He's entitled to his oppinons just like you are.RedDanDoc

Don't think those are opinions bud:P

[QUOTE="RedDanDoc"][QUOTE="dos4gw82"] Dakan is our resident troll. He feels that he needs to give his uninformed, hypocritical, and ridiculously pessimistic opinion about anything and everything. It's best to ignore him.

dos4gw82

A couple of people asked me why I even chose these games (listed in OP), sorry but I do not have hindsight, I see a good title and understand it's the style of gameplay which I'd want to try. With the time and effort they put into the graphics, they forget the technical aspect i.e. a simple connection. We pay good money for them to produce a good, completed game. I've given my opinion of the letdowns for each of the chosen games in the OP. Those that ignore the fact that MW2 does lag and has shoddy connection system via IWnet, or Op Flashpoint 2 didn't have online play at launch and is still very robotic... then I hope these games make you happy, but so many in MW2 say "OMFG LAAAG! Bad host! This sucks!!!!111" Op Flashoint 2 you have to spend 30 minutes waiting just for 30 people to connect to a lobby, that's how bad the game is. My expectations of games have increased over 10 years, I admit to that, but so have prices of games too. I thought we're meant to learn from previous examples and adhere them to a nice finished product. This is my gripe. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you post it, back it up with some content instead of "OMG why did you choose those crap games?!".

Borderlands was fantastic. I guess if you have it on PC the online would be important though because playing it alone isn't as much fun at all. By the way, your AVP story is 100% the same as mine. :P

Sharing the same architexture with the 360 has an upside and downside to it. Most of the games you mentioned were like that because they were a straight port from the 360 without any effort in streamlining it for the PC.

BTW: Settlers 7 is supposedly returning back to it's roots

I also like ho the TC complains about AvP matchmaking. Do some research, you should no it will have dedi servers.millerlight89

[QUOTE="dakan45"][QUOTE="SF_KiLLaMaN"]Play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat and your opinion will change. One of the best games I have ever played.SF_KiLLaMaN

Thats what i am talking about, most people consider clear sky's gameplay a letdown in comparison with soc. So thats what i wanna know, is the gamepaly like soc or clear sky? Because if the gameplay is like clear sky then its a letdown for me!

[QUOTE="RedDanDoc"][QUOTE="dos4gw82"] Dakan is our resident troll. He feels that he needs to give his uninformed, hypocritical, and ridiculously pessimistic opinion about anything and everything. It's best to ignore him.dos4gw82

..and its my opinion that you troll me in every post. To put it simply next time you call me a troll i am gonna report you. I am not troling i am asking for actual nonfanboy information about the game. For example "Its a huge improvement from the previous" Is that true? Because it does not look like it, it looks like clear sky which was a letdown in comparison with soc. Now instead of milleright89 and SF_KiLLaMaN saying stuff that dont seem like it, it will be wise to post some examples and explaining me why its improved since they actually have played the game.

Also it will be wise for you dos4gw82 to do something else apart from quoting my messages and keep saying "he is a troll, he is a troll" For example why dont you contribute into a discussion for once without quoting me and telling me that i am a troll and i am a troll! :(

Now do you have something usefull to say or you gonna start "he is a troll, he is a troll" like i am not here and i am not seeing what you are posting. Because in case you dont know, i can see all those things and calling someone a troll is considered trolling itself by gamespot. But dont worry i wont report you because i wanted to clarify that. But the next time you will say stuff like "hypocritical and riddicusly opinion" i am gonna lose all respect to you!

No matter how"hypocritical and riddicusly" may my opinion sound to you, well i actually believe what i am saying they may seem "ridducilous" to you but i actually believe those things!!