p35 vs 965 mobo: any performance increase?

I've been told that when I upgrade my 965-mobo to a P35-mobo and when I upgrade the RAM accordingly (667mhz to 800 mhz), I will have a 20% speed increase. Is this true or is this guy just trying to sell me something I don't really need?

And what dos this speed increase mean? That my pc will startup 20% faster, or that I will get 24fps insteas of 20 fps in crysis, or that my pc has 20% less lag, or ...

agreed he is talking crap. i myself have a 965 chipset board and upgraded my ram to 800mhz from 667 and there isnt really much improvement. only slight.

Oh? Even when your RAM runs 20% faster?

He also said something about being more compatible with my q6600.He said it would run as a real quad-core, while it now runs as two dual-cores. And he said that the p35 supports raid, while mine doesn't (and that last part is definitely true, because I could check that myself). And when I buy a new graphics card, it will be PCI-E2.0, and it will support that too.

Well, going from a cheap G965 micro-ATX board to something like the DFI LP UT P35-T2R might yield those kinds of gains, but that's comparing a $50 motherboard to a $250 one, and assuming heavy overclocking.

There is no honest benefit from the move to P965 to P35. A decently priced board on either chipset will perform equally well until you start getting into DDR3, and if you go there you might as well be looking at X38 since the extra cost is going to be nothing next to what you'll spend on RAM. Stick with P965 until the next round of sockets come out.

Oh? Even when your RAM runs 20% faster?

He also said something about being more compatible with my q6600.He said it would run as a real quad-core, while it now runs as two dual-cores. And he said that the p35 supports raid, while mine doesn't (and that last part is definitely true, because I could check that myself). And when I buy a new graphics card, it will be PCI-E2.0, and it will support that too.

liszt_rhapsody

RAM running 20% faster doesn't make a comptuer run 20% faster. Hell, you'd be lucky to score an extra frame-per-second in games that run over 80FPS already, if that.

Your chipset doesn't affect your processor. The Q6600 is two dual-quad-core chips no matter what chipset it's on, this guy really doesn't know what he's talking about. You should check to make sure your P965 board is quad-core compatible before you install one though, there are some P965 boards that aren't compatible with quad-core chips. Even so, it's not worth upgrading from a decent Core 2 Duo to a Core 2 Quad, at least not until we see some cheaper Yorkfield chips, and even then it's probably better just to wait for Nehalem or whatever AMD has out by then.

RAID is nice, but are you going to use it? Seriously now, that's a feature very few users need, and even then it has its cons. And besides, there are P965 boards that support RAID too. Really, it'd probably be better just to buy a RAID card if you want better performance out of your hard drives.

PCI-e 2.0 is NOT present on the P35 chipset, at least not in any boards currently on the market. Only X38 has PCI-e 2.0 on the Intel side of the house.

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Oh? Even when your RAM runs 20% faster?

He also said something about being more compatible with my q6600.He said it would run as a real quad-core, while it now runs as two dual-cores. And he said that the p35 supports raid, while mine doesn't (and that last part is definitely true, because I could check that myself). And when I buy a new graphics card, it will be PCI-E2.0, and it will support that too.

RayvinAzn

RAM running 20% faster doesn't make a comptuer run 20% faster. Hell, you'd be lucky to score an extra frame-per-second in games that run over 80FPS already, if that.

Your chipset doesn't affect your processor. The Q6600 is two dual-quad-core chips no matter what chipset it's on, this guy really doesn't know what he's talking about. You should check to make sure your P965 board is quad-core compatible before you install one though, there are some P965 boards that aren't compatible with quad-core chips. Even so, it's not worth upgrading from a decent Core 2 Duo to a Core 2 Quad, at least not until we see some cheaper Yorkfield chips, and even then it's probably better just to wait for Nehalem or whatever AMD has out by then.

RAID is nice, but are you going to use it? Seriously now, that's a feature very few users need, and even then it has its cons. And besides, there are P965 boards that support RAID too. Really, it'd probably be better just to buy a RAID card if you want better performance out of your hard drives.

PCI-e 2.0 is NOT present on the P35 chipset, at least not in any boards currently on the market. Only X38 has PCI-e 2.0 on the Intel side of the house.

So it's not worth the money to upgrade? I was also having my doubts about RAID, because I never really hear my HDD work in games, only on the loading screens.

So the best thing for me to do (to get more fps in games) is to upgrade my graphics card instead of my mobo. So what do you suggest? A dx10 8800gt or a dx10.1 hd3870/3850?

So it's not worth the money to upgrade? I was also having my doubts about RAID, because I never really hear my HDD work in games, only on the loading screens.

So the best thing for me to do (to get more fps in games) is to upgrade my graphics card instead of my mobo. So what do you suggest? A dx10 8800gt or a dx10.1 hd3870/3850?

liszt_rhapsody

RAID will not help with hard drive noise, only speed (0) or data security(1). And RAID 0 doubles your chances for data loss, since if one drive goes out, you lose all your data. RAID 1 is also slightly slower than a single drive, and doesn't double your space.

The best thing to get is most likely the graphics card, but that depends on what you have now, and what your budget is (pick a budget instead of a graphics card, it'll make you happier in the long run).

Sorry, but with the RAID thing, I meant I didn't need more bandwith.

I currently have a ZOTAC 8600GT 256MB. Why would a budget card make me happier? My budget isn't really a problem (I'm still a kid, so I don't have to pay for any bills or groceries), but I just don't want to spend money on something I don't need, like RAID.

For the card, I would like 512MB of RAM and a card that will be able to play games that aren't extremely demanding (like Crysis), in a year and a half. And with games that aren't extremely demanding, I mean games like Bioshock, but then the newer, 2009-versions.

I didn't mean buy a budget card, I meant think about how much you want to spend, then select your graphics card based on that, rather than try to adjust your budget for your graphics card.

Your 8600GT isn't a terrible card to be quite honest, but it could certainly use some work. I'd probably hold off for a few more months before buying - we might see some more very attractive 512MB cards below $200, and that's where the best price-performance ratios are usually found.

I didn't mean buy a budget card, I meant think about how much you want to spend, then select your graphics card based on that, rather than try to adjust your budget for your graphics card.

Your 8600GT isn't a terrible card to be quite honest, but it could certainly use some work. I'd probably hold off for a few more months before buying - we might see some more very attractive 512MB cards below $200, and that's where the best price-performance ratios are usually found.

RayvinAzn

Waiting is always said to be the best solution, but nobody does it. In a few months everybody will be saying: "Wait a few months, then ATI will bring out its HD4-series, with much better price/performance ratios."

And besides, in a year and a half, I will (hopefully) be at the university, so then I won't have much time to play games. I want to enjoy gaming for the next year and a half, then I will see what I will do.

And about my budget: it's €200-€250. Something like that, but it's very flexible. There are actually two cards I might consider buying: the 8800GT 512MB and the HD3870 512MB.
I don't think I will really use the extra performance from the 8800GT, and the HD3870 has dx10.1 support (that will make it able to play future games at decent quality).

Waiting for an announced card with finalized specs and initially favorable performance tests is different than waiting for a vague hint, especially if you have a card that's at least decent.

Still, buying now isn't necessarily a bad thing. Personally, I'd probably shoot the HD3870, since I do like silence in my machine. Still, from a pure performance perspective, the 8800GT is the better card.

Waiting for an announced card with finalized specs and initially favorable performance tests is different than waiting for a vague hint, especially if you have a card that's at least decent.

Still, buying now isn't necessarily a bad thing. Personally, I'd probably shoot the HD3870, since I do like silence in my machine. Still, from a pure performance perspective, the 8800GT is the better card.

RayvinAzn

I only have a PCI-E1.0 slot in my pc, will that somewhat affect the performance of a PCI-E2.0 performance card? Will I still have the same results as you can see on benchmarks on the internet?