PC gaming has given me severe Carpal Tunnel Syndrome...

Just afew notes..

I had the exact same problem as u. One thing we should have noted is to stop gaming as soon as the wrist started to hurt.

I actually caught it on my left (keyboard hand) but i know how to stop it and make the pain completely go away :) (sometimes it creeps up on a cold morn of gaming)

Anyway first things first :

Stop gaming altogether (even consoles) for atleast 3-4 months (yep) and use only one hand for normal computer usage.

During ur new found freedom buy urself a good sturdy wrist brace and maybe u'll want a power ball (i opted out of this one).

while at comp doing normal stuff try wearing the wrist brace, it'll support the bad hand and also remind u not to use it for typing mousing etc.

Now as the time comes for u to get back into gaming u'll need to buy urself a better keyboard or mouse whichever hand is disabled. try cheap keyboard with clicky buttons NOT SOFT ONES or a well shaped mouse with weight adjustments so u can make it very very light.

Wear the brace! u might notice the pain is gone now the time out is over but TAKE IT SLOW, try to play easy going games and warm up again from there.

For me i can game hardcore again without a hitch and i'm fine. The hardest part is taking that break from gaming. i ws ok i could still play mouse only games,spectate and play browser games etc. but tme is the great healer and it isnt worth breaking ur wrists for life over a video game. take the time out, use that brace and atleast try what i said u wont be sorry :)

Plus during this u can save for a newer rig :) (u'll be back by september when all the graphics whores are out) 

I've been PC gaming since aslong as I can remember. But never have I expected this. As I type this message I can feel a slight pain in my wrist even after i've taken my new medication.

PC gaming has always been a hobby of mine, like most people I did it to get away from it all. Even if just for a minutes. But only about a week ago, after playing a game of CS:S, my wrist started to hurt. I didn't think much of it, and went on with my life. So for the next few days my wrist was having moderate aching, nothing to sierious, and I played my PC and worked and you know, the whole bit. That was until Tuesday. When I played another game of my usual CS:S, the pain got horrid. Just in the middle of a match, so I told the guys to continue without me. And I logged off.

By Thursday I decided to go to the the clinic. Turned out I had servere Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, I asked what the 'severe' was all about and he said, "It will hurt... alot. Mabey for the rest of your life." He figured that the PC gaming did it to me. I told him that it wasnt an all the time thing. He said it didn't matter, the damage was done over time. So he gave me my pain meds and sent me on my way.

So here I am. Sitting on this computer typing about my new crippled wrist. Which is kinda funny seeing how being on this computer isn't gonna make it any better... I now can't even pick up a juice container without the pain. Oh well. As he said, the damage is done. Whether or not i'll even consider playing a PC game again.

explicthangnail

Wow dude...thank you for sharing. My wrist has been hurting me too but I haven't thought much of it...it's nothing bad, but it's definitely sore. I'll be sure to watch it...thanks! Hope your wrist heals. 

Sorry to hear about that. Getting carpal tunnel is something thats in the back of my mind. On the plus side, carpal tunnel syndrome is one of the afflictions where medicinal marijuana is suitable. I actually used the stuff after a doc patched me up and it really does work. So even if youre not a stoner, you might want to give it serious consideration.

Like most enjoyable things in life, there is often a trade off.  I am problably taking ten years off my life by smoking and being a gourmand, but I would rather die at 75-80 living a happy life than die at 90 while living a cautious life.

mrbojangles25

Dude, seriously.... Don't give "Consider marijuana"-advises to people on the net. Not cool.

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Sorry to hear about that. Getting carpal tunnel is something thats in the back of my mind. On the plus side, carpal tunnel syndrome is one of the afflictions where medicinal marijuana is suitable. I actually used the stuff after a doc patched me up and it really does work. So even if youre not a stoner, you might want to give it serious consideration.

Like most enjoyable things in life, there is often a trade off.  I am problably taking ten years off my life by smoking and being a gourmand, but I would rather die at 75-80 living a happy life than die at 90 while living a cautious life.

artur79

Dude, seriously.... Don't give "Consider marijuana"-advises to people on the net. Not cool.

Why not?  It works wonders, and if you are like me you dont want to take a bunch of pills made in China and sold by some megapharmacuetical company.  Nope, I would rather get my pain relief from a locally-grown, all-natural source.

Btw, why is not "cool" to give reasonable advice to people?  Solely because of the taboo societies put on marijuana, or some other reason?

::edit::

Listen, I gave the advice with the best of intentions.  The way it works, from what I've experienced and heard, is that this is a good alternative for addictive-prone personalities, or people who have adverse reactions to pain medication.  In addition, medicinal marijuana is actually good for painkillers because you wont build up a tolerance.  If you take one or two pills during work to belay the pain, then when you get off you ingest medicinal marijuana, the painkillers themselves dont lose potency.

I didnt give the advice to try to sound cool, or to be a jerk, but if you gathered that from my post I can understand why as I did not phrase my sentences very well.

ohh...sorry to hear that. i cant imagine that.. no gaming just like hell for me.

i think theres must be some kind of invntion, so gamer may safely playing games without any medical risk.

when we holding mouse or keep our fingers on the keyboard for along time...sometimes its feel hurt. theres have to be created a new way of gaming.

[QUOTE="artur79"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

Sorry to hear about that. Getting carpal tunnel is something thats in the back of my mind. On the plus side, carpal tunnel syndrome is one of the afflictions where medicinal marijuana is suitable. I actually used the stuff after a doc patched me up and it really does work. So even if youre not a stoner, you might want to give it serious consideration.

Like most enjoyable things in life, there is often a trade off.  I am problably taking ten years off my life by smoking and being a gourmand, but I would rather die at 75-80 living a happy life than die at 90 while living a cautious life.

mrbojangles25

Dude, seriously.... Don't give "Consider marijuana"-advises to people on the net. Not cool.

Why not?  It works wonders, and if you are like me you dont want to take a bunch of pills made in China and sold by some megapharmacuetical company.  Nope, I would rather get my pain relief from a locally-grown, all-natural source.

Btw, why is not "cool" to give reasonable advice to people?  Solely because of the taboo societies put on marijuana, or some other reason?

::edit::

Listen, I gave the advice with the best of intentions.  The way it works, from what I've experienced and heard, is that this is a good alternative for addictive-prone personalities, or people who have adverse reactions to pain medication.  In addition, medicinal marijuana is actually good for painkillers because you wont build up a tolerance.  If you take one or two pills during work to belay the pain, then when you get off you ingest medicinal marijuana, the painkillers themselves dont lose potency.

I didnt give the advice to try to sound cool, or to be a jerk, but if you gathered that from my post I can understand why as I did not phrase my sentences very well.

It's amazing how bad of a rap marijuana has...must of been all those "refer madness" movies back in the 30's :P  Alcohol actually kills many many people every year (overdose), causes millions of cases of stomach, throat, and liver cancer a year.  Causes many deaths from drunk driving.  Is involved in MANY spouse abuse cases.  Is attributted to many acts of violence.  And yet...marijuana...which has none of these negative effects, can be grown in your own backyard, and is 100% natural is the one that is illegal?  not to mention marijuana also has many medical applications.  It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

[QUOTE="Herrick"]

Herrick's been typing for 14 years and playing PC Games since 1999 or 1998. I also type at my job all day. I recently started to feel a lot of pain until I bought this: http://www.imakproducts.com/products/computer_glove.htm. My pain was so bad that I had to stop playing games. I haven't had any pains since I bought this thing.

Anyone else who gets these pains should probably talk to a doctor, or check out that thing.

XBSHX

did you just refer to yourself in the third person? lol 

hehe, he always does that. :)

Herrick's been typing for 14 years and playing PC Games since 1999 or 1998. I also type at my job all day. I recently started to feel a lot of pain until I bought this: http://www.imakproducts.com/products/computer_glove.htm. My pain was so bad that I had to stop playing games. I haven't had any pains since I bought this thing.

Anyone else who gets these pains should probably talk to a doctor, or check out that thing. 

Herrick

Well, Arcadius beats you! He's been typing for 20 years now, playing games first on the Apple IIe games since '84. As for the pain, I remember I had something like yours, but the docs found out it was from playing soccer as a goalie, used some ointmens, pain gone, game on!

Sorry to hear that man, what a shame. :(

I've been gaming since 1995 and I've never had any problems. I guess it depends on the person or whatever.

You can try having the surgery, I don't see how it could hurt. It might not cure it entirely but its better than going through the rest of your life in severe pain.

I don't have carpal tunnel, but I do have Tendonitis in both my wrists (and my toes wtf). My joints pop more than an early 90's raver. Anyways, all what I can say is chill out on it like every 20 mins, works for me. GLHF.

Been gaming for many, many, many years. I got MAD gaming skillz now, hope the Carpal Tunnel dont get me! Sorry to hear, but personally I don't think gaming is to blame. But anyways I hope you get better.

I don't have carpal tunnel, but I do have Tendonitis in both my wrists (and my toes wtf). My joints pop more than an early 90's raver. Anyways, all what I can say is chill out on it like every 20 mins, works for me. GLHF.

out0v0rder

Yeah I think I have that because the same happens to me. I have to crack my knuckles, etc.

Well, Arcadius beats you! He's been typing for 20 years now, playing games first on the Apple IIe games since '84. As for the pain, I remember I had something like yours, but the docs found out it was from playing soccer as a goalie, used some ointmens, pain gone, game on!Arcadius

That's great that you've been typing for all these years without getting any pains. What are some of the things you do to avoid getting these pains? Do you use those keyboard & mouse wrist wrests? I use one for my mouse only, and I use that thing I linked to in my other post. It's really good. 

I have been playing games for nearly 20 years now, and my job also has me typing away all day.  No pains yet :)  Though the problem might be some of you have girly wrists or something :lol:dnuggs40

If having girly wrists makes me play PC games forever without any pain, then well, its a sacrifice I am willing to make. ;)

I have been playing games for nearly 20 years now, and my job also has me typing away all day. No pains yet :) Though the problem might be some of you have girly wrists or something :lol:dnuggs40

:lol:  

It's amazing how bad of a rap marijuana has...must of been all those "refer madness" movies back in the 30's :P Alcohol actually kills many many people every year (overdose), causes millions of cases of stomach, throat, and liver cancer a year. Causes many deaths from drunk driving. Is involved in MANY spouse abuse cases. Is attributted to many acts of violence. And yet...marijuana...which has none of these negative effects, can be grown in your own backyard, and is 100% natural is the one that is illegal? not to mention marijuana also has many medical applications. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

 

dnuggs40

Were Marijuana legalized (being a Libertarian, I'm all for it, despite never trying it), it would be comparable to alcohol in terms of death rates caused. Its hard to judge it currently since it is an illegal substance that is not as accessible as alcohol. 

Here is a suggestion:  Try getting a Trackball Mouse :)

There are some very nice Logitech Thumb-ball mouses where you only need to move your thumb around.  Its alittle awkward to use at first, but pretty soon you will realize not only is it easier on the hand, but it is more accuarate and smoother too after you get used to using one.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

It's amazing how bad of a rap marijuana has...must of been all those "refer madness" movies back in the 30's :P Alcohol actually kills many many people every year (overdose), causes millions of cases of stomach, throat, and liver cancer a year. Causes many deaths from drunk driving. Is involved in MANY spouse abuse cases. Is attributted to many acts of violence. And yet...marijuana...which has none of these negative effects, can be grown in your own backyard, and is 100% natural is the one that is illegal? not to mention marijuana also has many medical applications. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

 

Infernal246

Were Marijuana legalized (being a Libertarian, I'm all for it, despite never trying it), it would be comparable to alcohol in terms of death rates caused. Its hard to judge it currently since it is an illegal substance that is not as accessible as alcohol. 

One can't say for sure...but I really don't believe that to be the case.  Despite being illegal, marijauna is very accessible and easy to obtain.  Also, millions of people already use it, illegal status and all.  In fact, more high school student report using marijauna then alcohol...reason being...it is actually easier to get lol!  Also, there is not one reported case of a marijauna overdoes...it is just simply almost impossible to OD on marijauna...while on the otherhand...it's quite easy to OD on alcohol (everyone has puked I am sure) and even die.

I know people in their 50s (women mostly) who have been typing since their early 20s.. the ones with severe carpal tunnel have to take exercise courses for their hands before work every day. Some even have to wear a brace.. no your not gonna have a useless hand.. Take a break.. use your hands less and do some hand exercises every day.. wear a brace.. etc..

Ergo, take care of yourself better now.. or you WILL have severe pain the rest of your life.

I also have moderate pain in my wrists.. but I also take breaks from the computer and stretch my hand/fingers/wrist.. from time to time.. This has helped dramatically. I have also been gaming since I was very young.. around 8yrs old when I recieved my frist computer an Apple IIc.

 Edit: I am not looking forward to having arthritis though.. I know how bad it WILL be! lol

Sorry, but I'm not gonna read all the posts... Instead, I'll just post my thoughts.

1) I'm really sorry to hear that, man. That really sucks. I had a moderate case of carpal a few years back due to seriously geeking out on Warcraft II for 40 some hours straight. (it had JUST come out. :) ) I rested for a day and did daily rotation exercises and the pain went away within 3 days.

2) You NEED to situate your keyboard and mouse better!

A)If your chair doesn't have armrests, please get one that does! It helps! IMMENSELY! ( and make sure it is raised to a comfortable position)

B) When using your mouse and keyboard, make sure your wrist (just beyond your wrist joint (further towards your elbow)) is resting comfortably on the table. If you feel even a hint of a cramp, re-evaluate and re-adjust your hand postion! (consider getting ergonomic pads, they may help)

C) Wrist exercises! Take a break every now and then and then clutch your hands in a fist. Pull them inwards so it makes a cobra-like shape, and then rotate them in a circular fashion. This will help A LOT!

D) You may want to use wrist gueards. I know a lot of people who do this. There is no shame, especially whilst in recovery.

E) Forearm exercises. Get a wrist/forearm/grip exercise device. I use an old fashioned forearm grip tool and it does wonders for me. Granted, I have Popeye forearms, but it has helped me prevent carpal where many of my colleagues have succumbed to it.

BTW, I am a graphic designer (with hopes to break into the game industry), so I work at my computer for vast spans of time. (during really bad times, I am at my computer for days on end (sometimes sleeping on my keyboard (with my keyboard pillow))) Personally, the best thing you can do is get an ergonimic cussion for your mouse hand (this is where I, personally, encounter the most wrist strain) and use a forearm/wrist exerciser to increase your strength. And I cannoty emphasize the wrist/forearm/grip exerciser enough! (same with ergonimc pads if your chair does not have arm rests)

(quick story: I had a classmate that had to wear a wrist guard due to repeated carpal pains. I bought her a forearm grip exerciser and within a month she stopped wearing the guard and hasn't had a problem since. Beware, though! No matter how strong your wrists are, improper positioning CAN and WILL cause severe problems! Make sure your enviroment is ergonimically fit for your use!!!! )

-edit- BTW!!!!!

I should also mention that I have broken my left wrist 2 times and my right wrist 4 times, and I have only had carpal once. (which was, ironicaly, before I broke either wrist) I attribute this to the fact that amongst my daily regiment of calisthenetic exercises I aslo do regular grip exercises which help strenthen my wrist. Keep in mind that click, click, twitching for hours on end is an intense workout, especially if you do not regularly exercise the conjunctive body parts that facilitate these activities!

[QUOTE="out0v0rder"]

I don't have carpal tunnel, but I do have Tendonitis in both my wrists (and my toes wtf). My joints pop more than an early 90's raver. Anyways, all what I can say is chill out on it like every 20 mins, works for me. GLHF.

TheUberKnight

Yeah I think I have that because the same happens to me. I have to crack my knuckles, etc.

I sorry, but I have to call you on this one. If it were truly a severe case he would not give you meds & send you on your merry way, surgery would definitely be required here. It seems to be more likely mild to moderate case. I do however feel for you, I have mild arthritis due to side effects of medications, & when I crank up my AC to keep my PC nice any cool while playing BF2142 for a few hours, I swear I can't move my left wrist properly for a few hours. Pain like that is the least of my worries though nothing a little Mari Jane can't fix. You'd think with all the money that goes into PC hardware someone could come up with a nice key design that ones hand could fit properly into or on top of...don't hold your breath I think people have been dreaming of such things for ages now.

[QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

It's amazing how bad of a rap marijuana has...must of been all those "refer madness" movies back in the 30's :P Alcohol actually kills many many people every year (overdose), causes millions of cases of stomach, throat, and liver cancer a year. Causes many deaths from drunk driving. Is involved in MANY spouse abuse cases. Is attributted to many acts of violence. And yet...marijuana...which has none of these negative effects, can be grown in your own backyard, and is 100% natural is the one that is illegal? not to mention marijuana also has many medical applications. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

 

Infernal246

Were Marijuana legalized (being a Libertarian, I'm all for it, despite never trying it), it would be comparable to alcohol in terms of death rates caused. Its hard to judge it currently since it is an illegal substance that is not as accessible as alcohol. 

I am sorry, but I gotta disagree with you here.  I admit I have no stats to back me up at the moment, but I am sure if I looked them up I would see that in countries where marijuana was legal, their car accident ratio is not any higher than the United State's ratio of car accidents.  Not only that, but if it were a legal product, it would be many states' #1 cash crop.

Also, Dnuggs made a good point: you cant OD off of marijuana.  Actually, I take that back, yes you can; its called falling asleep or eating so much you feel sick.

Listen, I truly want to sit here and reassure everyone that marijuana is something that is justifiably illegal, but the fact is that it remains an illegal substance for absurd reasons, most of them dating back to the early 1900s.  The fact is that marijuana might have only one bad side effect, and that is lung problems over a long period of time.  Yet even that is preventable by using tools such as a vaporizer, or consuming the marijuana in alternate forms.  Sure, there might be the occasional skitzo but what medication doesnt have the 1-in-10000 adverse reaction?  And beleive me, I have seen plenty of skitzos in my time and they have all been cured by a cold glass of water to their face and a little verbal reassurance.

Sorry, didnt want this topic to go awry but....well, I like to argue :)

[QUOTE="Infernal246"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

It's amazing how bad of a rap marijuana has...must of been all those "refer madness" movies back in the 30's :P Alcohol actually kills many many people every year (overdose), causes millions of cases of stomach, throat, and liver cancer a year. Causes many deaths from drunk driving. Is involved in MANY spouse abuse cases. Is attributted to many acts of violence. And yet...marijuana...which has none of these negative effects, can be grown in your own backyard, and is 100% natural is the one that is illegal? not to mention marijuana also has many medical applications. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

 

mrbojangles25

Were Marijuana legalized (being a Libertarian, I'm all for it, despite never trying it), it would be comparable to alcohol in terms of death rates caused. Its hard to judge it currently since it is an illegal substance that is not as accessible as alcohol.

I am sorry, but I gotta disagree with you here. I admit I have no stats to back me up at the moment, but I am sure if I looked them up I would see that in countries where marijuana was legal, their car accident ratio is not any higher than the United State's ratio of car accidents. Not only that, but if it were a legal product, it would be many states' #1 cash crop.

Also, Dnuggs made a good point: you cant OD off of marijuana. Actually, I take that back, yes you can; its called falling asleep or eating so much you feel sick.

Listen, I truly want to sit here and reassure everyone that marijuana is something that is justifiably illegal, but the fact is that it remains an illegal substance for absurd reasons, most of them dating back to the early 1900s. The fact is that marijuana might have only one bad side effect, and that is lung problems over a long period of time. Yet even that is preventable by using tools such as a vaporizer, or consuming the marijuana in alternate forms. Sure, there might be the occasional skitzo but what medication doesnt have the 1-in-10000 adverse reaction? And beleive me, I have seen plenty of skitzos in my time and they have all been cured by a cold glass of water to their face and a little verbal reassurance.

Sorry, didnt want this topic to go awry but....well, I like to argue :)

1) Marijuana is not legal in any country in the entire world, except for Antartica, which is considered a neutral zone and unclaimable. The EU, the UN, and all nearly every country forbid the production of marijuana. The only reason you can smoke MJ in Amsterdam is because the local police do not enforce such laws.

2) Mr Bojangles is right. Countries where MJ use is tolerated do enjoy a lower car acciedent ratio. However, this cannot be directly attributed to MJ use, as Amsterdam has a MUCH lower percentage of their populace that drive automobiles. It is statistaclly shown that in the USA that the number of marijuan ONLY attributed accidents are far lower than any other attribibutable accidents. (even cell phone attributed accidents)

3)You CAN overdose on marijuana, however, you would die due to lose of oxygenation before you would OD. And if injected, it would take an ungodly amount of marijuana to OD. (It is suggested that the rate is some 20-50 lbs for a 150-180 lbs individual, and even then most scientists are not sure)

4) Mr Bojangles' last paragraph is dead on. Cannabis production could provide thousands of jobs in the hemp production market for, not only fabrics, but also papers at a lower rate of resource use than that of paper and cotton combined. (it take roughly 1/5 the amount of space and 1/20 th amount of time for hemp to produce the same material load for paper production as it does for traditional timber methods)(many "fine" papers include cotton to help with ink absorption) As to why cannabis is illegal.... I highly suggest you see the movie "Grass", narrated by Woody Harrelson. Unlike many other "pro marijuana" movies, Grass actually reasonably and factually discusses nearly all the issues of marijuana's illegality.

Furthermore... big thumbs up to Mr. Bojangles. :)

Sorry, but I'm not gonna read all the posts... Instead, I'll just post my thoughts.

 

1) I'm really sorry to hear that, man. That really sucks. I had a moderate case of carpal a few years back due to seriously geeking out on Warcraft II for 40 some hours straight. (it had JUST come out. :) ) I rested for a day and did daily rotation exercises and the pain went away within 3 days.

 

2) You NEED to situate your keyboard and mouse better!

A)If your chair doesn't have armrests, please get one that does! It helps! IMMENSELY! ( and make sure it is raised to a comfortable position)

B) When using your mouse and keyboard, make sure your wrist (just beyond your wrist joint (further towards your elbow)) is resting comfortably on the table. If you feel even a hint of a cramp, re-evaluate and re-adjust your hand postion! (consider getting ergonomic pads, they may help)

C) Wrist exercises! Take a break every now and then and then clutch your hands in a fist. Pull them inwards so it makes a cobra-like shape, and then rotate them in a circular fashion. This will help A LOT!

D) You may want to use wrist gueards. I know a lot of people who do this. There is no shame, especially whilst in recovery.

E) Forearm exercises. Get a wrist/forearm/grip exercise device. I use an old fashioned forearm grip tool and it does wonders for me. Granted, I have Popeye forearms, but it has helped me prevent carpal where many of my colleagues have succumbed to it.

 

BTW, I am a graphic designer (with hopes to break into the game industry), so I work at my computer for vast spans of time. (during really bad times, I am at my computer for days on end (sometimes sleeping on my keyboard (with my keyboard pillow))) Personally, the best thing you can do is get an ergonimic cussion for your mouse hand (this is where I, personally, encounter the most wrist strain) and use a forearm/wrist exerciser to increase your strength. And I cannoty emphasize the wrist/forearm/grip exerciser enough! (same with ergonimc pads if your chair does not have arm rests)

 

(quick story: I had a classmate that had to wear a wrist guard due to repeated carpal pains. I bought her a forearm grip exerciser and within a month she stopped wearing the guard and hasn't had a problem since. Beware, though! No matter how strong your wrists are, improper positioning CAN and WILL cause severe problems! Make sure your enviroment is ergonimically fit for your use!!!! )

 

-edit- BTW!!!!!

 

I should also mention that I have broken my left wrist 2 times and my right wrist 4 times, and I have only had carpal once. (which was, ironicaly, before I broke either wrist) I attribute this to the fact that amongst my daily regiment of calisthenetic exercises I aslo do regular grip exercises which help strenthen my wrist. Keep in mind that click, click, twitching for hours on end is an intense workout, especially if you do not regularly exercise the conjunctive body parts that facilitate these activities!

BewilderedRonin

QFT... Either you follow these possible solutions or you can just go the way of Ottis Redding "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay" 

[QUOTE="Infernal246"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

It's amazing how bad of a rap marijuana has...must of been all those "refer madness" movies back in the 30's :P Alcohol actually kills many many people every year (overdose), causes millions of cases of stomach, throat, and liver cancer a year. Causes many deaths from drunk driving. Is involved in MANY spouse abuse cases. Is attributted to many acts of violence. And yet...marijuana...which has none of these negative effects, can be grown in your own backyard, and is 100% natural is the one that is illegal? not to mention marijuana also has many medical applications. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

 

mrbojangles25

Were Marijuana legalized (being a Libertarian, I'm all for it, despite never trying it), it would be comparable to alcohol in terms of death rates caused. Its hard to judge it currently since it is an illegal substance that is not as accessible as alcohol.

I am sorry, but I gotta disagree with you here. I admit I have no stats to back me up at the moment, but I am sure if I looked them up I would see that in countries where marijuana was legal, their car accident ratio is not any higher than the United State's ratio of car accidents. Not only that, but if it were a legal product, it would be many states' #1 cash crop.

Also, Dnuggs made a good point: you cant OD off of marijuana. Actually, I take that back, yes you can; its called falling asleep or eating so much you feel sick.

Listen, I truly want to sit here and reassure everyone that marijuana is something that is justifiably illegal, but the fact is that it remains an illegal substance for absurd reasons, most of them dating back to the early 1900s. The fact is that marijuana might have only one bad side effect, and that is lung problems over a long period of time. Yet even that is preventable by using tools such as a vaporizer, or consuming the marijuana in alternate forms. Sure, there might be the occasional skitzo but what medication doesnt have the 1-in-10000 adverse reaction? And beleive me, I have seen plenty of skitzos in my time and they have all been cured by a cold glass of water to their face and a little verbal reassurance.

Sorry, didnt want this topic to go awry but....well, I like to argue :)

It's so funny.. My government teacher in high school taught me exactly why and how marijuana was illegalized, then I watched it again later and the discovery channel basically said exactly the same thing.. Basically, there was some guy sitting in some 'anti drug administration' seat back in the day, and he didn't have enough propoganding and such to do, so the government was about to give this guy less funding.. So what this brilliant bastard did was he found a case where some nut just so happened to axe-murder his parents, and it just so happened that same boy enjoyed partaking in marijuana (as many did when it was legal, of course, muchless now that it's illegal), and so this man found a way to start a huge fight against a very popular drug, and he made tons and tons of BS propaganda about how evil marijuana is (the discovery channel actually showed the commercials the drug administration made back then) until the retarded sheep of the people decided to hate it because it was 'OBVIOUSLY' the reason for that kid axe-murdering his parents, despite the fact millions smoke marijuana and I don't think there's that many axe-murderers.. So suddenly he had the support to get it illegalized, and now he has a huge battle against a very popular drug, thereby giving his dept government funding, and he gets more cash.

(At least, that's the gist of what I remember.. It's been a while since I learned the story last.)

Now, people are still just as moronic and stupid and sheep-like as usual, and the propaganda is still vibrant in the minds of the masses/idiots. Despite all this available FACTS on what marijuana is, and how it's not even remotely close to as bad (dangerous) as legal alchohol and is (arguably) as dangerous as smoking tobacco (except not even close to as addictive), these people still love to think of it as an evil thing, then go out drinking the next day and get ****-faced drunk and fall on their faces and vomit and say stupid things that they later regret, and other such drunk things.. Educate the masses, people.. Spread the word.. At the very least look up some KNOWLEDGE on the subject of drugs and understand the TRUE pros and cons of it, instead of just blindly, blatantly, and frankly moronically disputing the use of the drug based on propoganda and lies and at least exaggerations.

There are plenty of REAL reasons to be anti-marijuana, most notibly the fact that it doesn't provide much of a positive service (except feeling good, which people may believe to be shallow and pointless), and provides plenty of negative services, all of which are far, far less than two of the three most popular legal recreational drugs. I personally believe that stress can be a lot more dangerous than the negative effects of doing almost any drug that exists once in a while (but I haven't tried much in the manner of drugs to be honest), and that drugs are pretty much a normal (only propagandically 'evil' ) thing for human beings to do.. We have been doing it since humans were intelligent enough to discover that it feels good. And it's one of many, many different 'pointless' things that can increase one's enjoyment, and when used as one of many, and not something you do constantly, the negative effects from almost any drug, muchless something as weak as marijuana, is almost completely negligable.

QFT... Either you follow these possible solutions or you can just go the way of Ottis Redding "Sitting on the Dock of the Bay"

Alkpaz

Dude, Otis is the man. :) 

"1) Marijuana is not legal in any country in the entire world, except for Antartica, which is considered a neutral zone and unclaimable. The EU, the UN, and all nearly every country forbid the production of marijuana. the only reason you can smoke MJ in Amsterdam is because the local police do not enforce  such laws."

Seems like there is quite a few places where it is legal, and even more where it is decriminlized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World-cannabis-laws.png

"1) Marijuana is not legal in any country in the entire world, except for Antartica, which is considered a neutral zone and unclaimable. The EU, the UN, and all nearly every country forbid the production of marijuana. the only reason you can smoke MJ in Amsterdam is because the local police do not enforce such laws."

Seems like there is quite a few places where it is legal, and even more where it is decriminlized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World-cannabis-laws.png

dnuggs40

There are other developing nations where there are no marijuana laws, or the laws are unclear. That wiki map is VERY misleading and horribly inaccurate. For example, it lists Peru as being legal, yet according to erowid; "PERU: Possession of small amounts legal; judges decide what constitutes ``personal'' amount."  

"1) Marijuana is not legal in any country in the entire world, except for Antartica, which is considered a neutral zone and unclaimable. The EU, the UN, and all nearly every country forbid the production of marijuana. the only reason you can smoke MJ in Amsterdam is because the local police do not enforce such laws."

Seems like there is quite a few places where it is legal, and even more where it is decriminlized.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:World-cannabis-laws.png

dnuggs40

Well, to give some sort of bias on that map.. I've from California, where it's considered 'decriminalized',  and I have heard of people getting caught with it, and getting in a little bit of trouble. Most problems here come out of people bringing it to places like high schools, or just bad luck.. Pretty much everyone has gotten caught and gotten a little slap on the wrist if they do it really often

But on the other hand, almost every single person in my family, including my father, mother, cousins, aunt, still do marijuana now, at least once in a while, and pretty much everyone else used to, but doesn't anymore now that they are older, and I have seen people smoking (obviously) marijuana outside in the open near streets with cops driving by and stuff... This was mostly in southern cali, and I have yet to see it in northern cali, but most of the people I spend time with up in norcal are military. It's not at all like you can't drive a single street without seeing large groups of people passing blunts or anything, but I wouldn't be surprised if I saw it every so often : p

That map is misleading. For example, in Alaska it is "legal" to possess under a a cetain amount (I thin it's under 1/4 of a pound) for personal use and/or up to 3 plants. However, this state ruling doesn't mean jack. Just like Cali's state medical rulings. Marijuana is illegal under the USA's Federal Analogue Act and the DEA Controlled Substance Act. Meaning that whilst local enforcment does not have criminal code to arrest an individual, the federal government still can.

 

There are other developing nations where there are no marijuana laws, or the laws are unclear. That wiki map is VERY misleading and horribly inaccurate. For example, it lists Peru as being legal, yet according to erowid; "PERU: Possession of small amounts legal; judges decide what constitutes ``personal'' amount."

BewilderedRonin

I think the point of that map is, or should be, is the simply fact that by law, you are legally allowed to have recreational marijuana. It may be you're not allowed any more than a tiny unusable amount, but it's still written in the law that it's 'legal to have marijuana'.

And I don't know about where you're from, but around here we don't exactly have a federal police force driving around, scoping out the alleyways for marijuana users.

It's pretty easy to see people getting mislead by that map, however. I would just consider most of those light blue as orange.

[QUOTE="TheUberKnight"][QUOTE="out0v0rder"]

I don't have carpal tunnel, but I do have Tendonitis in both my wrists (and my toes wtf). My joints pop more than an early 90's raver. Anyways, all what I can say is chill out on it like every 20 mins, works for me. GLHF.

BewilderedRonin

Yeah I think I have that because the same happens to me. I have to crack my knuckles, etc.

Yeah it doesnt hurt at all really. If anything it makes my hands more loose when I am playing.

Dude that really does suck but I can suggest to you that I have the same problem. It wasn't from gaming, because I thought that would have been one of the reasons.

My doc said it was from typing on a keyboard at work for long hours. Because I'm right handed, it was the combination of mouse and keybaord together but he said that it could have been damaged from basketball as well. Hard to tell, but nevertheless I was put on an excerciese program that has been helping quite a lot!

If you can avoid medication, maybe do so and try to excercise it. There are many programs that can do too! I've been doing it for 2 months now and it has been working :)

But I have definately slowed down the gaming too.

Hope this helps!

I got carpal tunnel after 3 months of nonstop world of warcraft. I get intense pain in my wrists from typing a single sentence then i have to wait 3 days before the pain goes away, first time it happened had to wait 2 weeks. SIMPLE SOLUTION: I purchased a saitek dual analog gamepad and by using a program called Total Game control ( google it) I can play any PC game with ease and be #1 in games like Counter Strike and Half Life Deathmatch or Battlefield 2.

All it takes is practice and you must learn to type fast using ONLY your thumbs. I started playing WoW again after my recovery with my new gamepad and after some practice I can take on anyone in PVP and I was in a major guild for PVE. I ended up having a 70 rogue and 3 other 60 toons. I'm currently playing Lord of the Rings Online and I'm lvl 36 and I can lay back in my chair and enjoy.

Just map your right and left mouse buttons to your shoulder triggers on your gamepad, and set the mouse control to the left analog thumbstick. Your all set! Never give up if something screws you over, there's always a way around it :)

Oh, and I never have pain in my wrists anymore as long as I do these simple things.

Sorry to hear about your situation. I hope the pain subsides.

While I don't really have a problem, I've always felt that using ASWD for FPS or whatever is a terrible idea and it's going to hurt my wrist sooner or later. I really wish that some company would just create a one-handed controller for movement and some buttons. 

[QUOTE="TheUberKnight"][QUOTE="out0v0rder"]

I don't have carpal tunnel, but I do have Tendonitis in both my wrists (and my toes wtf). My joints pop more than an early 90's raver. Anyways, all what I can say is chill out on it like every 20 mins, works for me. GLHF.

BewilderedRonin

Yeah I think I have that because the same happens to me. I have to crack my knuckles, etc.

Read up on what arthritis is...

[QUOTE="Infernal246"][QUOTE="dnuggs40"]

It's amazing how bad of a rap marijuana has...must of been all those "refer madness" movies back in the 30's :P Alcohol actually kills many many people every year (overdose), causes millions of cases of stomach, throat, and liver cancer a year. Causes many deaths from drunk driving. Is involved in MANY spouse abuse cases. Is attributted to many acts of violence. And yet...marijuana...which has none of these negative effects, can be grown in your own backyard, and is 100% natural is the one that is illegal? not to mention marijuana also has many medical applications. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...

 

mrbojangles25

Were Marijuana legalized (being a Libertarian, I'm all for it, despite never trying it), it would be comparable to alcohol in terms of death rates caused. Its hard to judge it currently since it is an illegal substance that is not as accessible as alcohol. 

I am sorry, but I gotta disagree with you here.  I admit I have no stats to back me up at the moment, but I am sure if I looked them up I would see that in countries where marijuana was legal, their car accident ratio is not any higher than the United State's ratio of car accidents.  Not only that, but if it were a legal product, it would be many states' #1 cash crop.

Also, Dnuggs made a good point: you cant OD off of marijuana.  Actually, I take that back, yes you can; its called falling asleep or eating so much you feel sick.

Listen, I truly want to sit here and reassure everyone that marijuana is something that is justifiably illegal, but the fact is that it remains an illegal substance for absurd reasons, most of them dating back to the early 1900s.  The fact is that marijuana might have only one bad side effect, and that is lung problems over a long period of time.  Yet even that is preventable by using tools such as a vaporizer, or consuming the marijuana in alternate forms.  Sure, there might be the occasional skitzo but what medication doesnt have the 1-in-10000 adverse reaction?  And beleive me, I have seen plenty of skitzos in my time and they have all been cured by a cold glass of water to their face and a little verbal reassurance.

Sorry, didnt want this topic to go awry but....well, I like to argue :)

Is it actually proven that cannabis results in lung problems over time? If it is mixed with tobacco, sure, but by itself, not so sure... Also, read this:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7374/0/d

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/325/7374/1212?ijkey=bcf582c8369fc90bcb504f341a712d29b57d4764&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/325/7374/1199

And I have also seen some schizophrenics in my life, some of those people are really, really sick. I think brain scans have shown differencies between them and "normal" people. So it's not just a mental disease, their physiology is different.