Perfect Valve just took the xbox live approach...

March 16, 2009 — Valve, creators of best-selling entertainment products and advanced technologies, today announced the arrival of in-game downloadable content to Steam, their massively popular PC gaming platform. In-game DLC allows developers and publishers to use their own games as a platform for selling additional content to gamers.

The first game to take advantage of this new in-game DLC capability is The Maw, by Twisted Pixel Games. Their first DLC releases are levels entitled The Maw: Brute Force and The Maw: River Redirect. Each DLC level expands The Maw storyline by fitting in-between the original levels as "deleted scenes."

Twisted Pixel CEO, Michael Wilford, says "We're happy that we can now offer Steam customers significant expansions to the Maw story, delivering more Maw directly to gamers while they're still playing the game."

DLC can now be added to any game on Steam, regardless of whether it was originally purchased via Steam, at retail, or via other digital outlets. It is also a feature of Steamworks, the suite of free tools and services available to game developers and publishers.

For more information about The Maw or Steam, please visit www.steamgames.com.

The first game to support dlc ironicly came out last week. The content you are paying for= content already made that should have been in the game to begin with. A sad day for us.

Well, if people would stop buying it :roll: developers wouldn't do DLC.

Kinda like BF2. People got sick and tired of all the expansions, most people only own the original and maybe special forces. The same thing will probably happen to DLC.

The content you are paying for= content already made that should have been in the game to begin with. A sad day for us.

Franko_3

That's the biggest issue I have with DLC. Although the new Fallout 3 DLC looks pretty cool (The Pitt).

As long as people think with their heads and not their wallets, DLC on PC's should not become popular. Let the DLC sales plunge and show devs that we won't be short changedthe_ChEeSe_mAn2

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]As long as people think with their heads and not their wallets, DLC on PC's should not become popular. Let the DLC sales plunge and show devs that we won't be short changedJangoWuzHere

There is NOTHING wrong with DLC. But if the DLC is available Day 1 and is something that could have been put in the retail package - then there's something wrong with it.GodLovesDead

We as consumers can support this **** or go without until they quit doing it. Nobody cares if a few people decide to whine and everyone else buys it anyway. I suggest putting a banner in sigs in all you forum accounts, or firebombing the headquarters of developers who do this.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]There is NOTHING wrong with DLC. But if the DLC is available Day 1 and is something that could have been put in the retail package - then there's something wrong with it.felixiration

We as consumers can support this **** or go without until they quit doing it. Nobody cares if a few people decide to whine and everyone else buys it anyway. I suggest putting a banner in sigs in all you forum accounts, or firebombing the headquarters of developers who do this.

And people complained about the monthly fee for some games.:roll:

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]There is NOTHING wrong with DLC. But if the DLC is available Day 1 and is something that could have been put in the retail package - then there's something wrong with it.felixiration

We as consumers can support this **** or go without until they quit doing it. Nobody cares if a few people decide to whine and everyone else buys it anyway. I suggest putting a banner in sigs in all you forum accounts, or firebombing the headquarters of developers who do this.

yes lets all result to terrorism because thats a way to get are point across:roll:

Aside from voice acting, professionalism and acess there's not much DLC offers that a good mod team can't.

Steam is a store just like any other. If some developers want to charge money for DLC, I don't see why would Valve try to stop them. Valve is not going to start charging for their updates, neither is Relic, Epic or Stardock. Valve defended the free update approach just recently, that's how they do business and that's not going to change. Developers like Bethesda have other ideas and that's not going to change either - regardless of Steam.

There is NOTHING wrong with DLC. But if the DLC is available Day 1 and is something that could have been put in the retail package - then there's something wrong with it.GodLovesDead

In theory, yes. In practice, however, there is a lot wrong with DLC. DLC is just a way to support the ever rising costs of development. The problem with DLC is that it essentially means developers will no longer ship finished games but instead rush a product and then charge customers even more for what should have been in the game in the first place. I have yet to see DLC done properly.

Just think of DLC as crappy and expensive expansion packs.

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]There is NOTHING wrong with DLC. But if the DLC is available Day 1 and is something that could have been put in the retail package - then there's something wrong with it.BlueBirdTS

In theory, yes. In practice, however, there is a lot wrong with DLC. DLC is just a way to support the ever rising costs of development. The problem with DLC is that it essentially means developers will no longer ship finished games but instead rush a product and then charge customers even more for what should have been in the game in the first place. I have yet to see DLC done properly.

[QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]There is NOTHING wrong with DLC. But if the DLC is available Day 1 and is something that could have been put in the retail package - then there's something wrong with it.GodLovesDead

In theory, yes. In practice, however, there is a lot wrong with DLC. DLC is just a way to support the ever rising costs of development. The problem with DLC is that it essentially means developers will no longer ship finished games but instead rush a product and then charge customers even more for what should have been in the game in the first place. I have yet to see DLC done properly.

I stand corrected. If we're talking semantics then you're right, it's the publisher and not developer that's rushing products.

However, my general point remains the same. I still view DLC as an overall negative trend. There may be a few exceptions of which I'm admittedly not aware (such as the GTAIV DLC you mentioned), but many companies such as Bethesda and EA are exploiting DLC (in my opinion, of course).

[QUOTE="GodLovesDead"][QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

In theory, yes. In practice, however, there is a lot wrong with DLC. DLC is just a way to support the ever rising costs of development. The problem with DLC is that it essentially means developers will no longer ship finished games but instead rush a product and then charge customers even more for what should have been in the game in the first place. I have yet to see DLC done properly.

BlueBirdTS

I stand corrected. If we're talking semantics then you're right, it's the publisher and not developer that's rushing products.

However, my general point remains the same. I still view DLC as an overall negative trend. There may be a few exceptions of which I'm admitteldy not aware (such as the GTAIV DLC you mentioned), but many companies such as Bethesda and EA are exploiting DLC (in my opinion, of course).

Steam is a store just like any other. If some developers want to charge money for DLC, I don't see why would Valve try to stop them. Valve is not going to start charging for their updates, neither is Relic, Epic or Stardock. Valve defended the free update approach just recently, that's how they do business and that's not going to change. Developers like Bethesda have other ideas and that's not going to change either - regardless of Steam.

UpInFlames

[QUOTE="UpInFlames"]

Steam is a store just like any other. If some developers want to charge money for DLC, I don't see why would Valve try to stop them. Valve is not going to start charging for their updates, neither is Relic, Epic or Stardock. Valve defended the free update approach just recently, that's how they do business and that's not going to change. Developers like Bethesda have other ideas and that's not going to change either - regardless of Steam.

teh_werry_man

The first game to support dlc ironicly came out last week. The content you are paying for= content already made that should have been in the game to begin with. A sad day for us.Franko_3

what is steam exactly ?Sonic_on_crack

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]The first game to support dlc ironicly came out last week. The content you are paying for= content already made that should have been in the game to begin with. A sad day for us.Gamartto

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]

The content you are paying for= content already made that should have been in the game to begin with. A sad day for us.

purple_MAN1832

That's the biggest issue I have with DLC. Although the new Fallout 3 DLC looks pretty cool (The Pitt).

[QUOTE="Gamartto"]

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]The first game to support dlc ironicly came out last week. The content you are paying for= content already made that should have been in the game to begin with. A sad day for us.G013M

Even additional content should be free in my opinion. If it's not free then it should just be sold as part of an expansion pack. Valve has done a good job in general in regards to the Team Fortress 2 updates, and I'm sure it'll be the same case with Left4Dead. A lot of these games' sales are being driven by the free post-release content.

One of the biggest problems with dlc is mp map packs.What if COD for example starts doing this and the only close servers all have the dlc so your forced to buy or not play. This is already an issue on consoles.

i dont see how boycotting dlc will force developers to stop charging for it. Wont they just stop developing it anyway? And it's not Valve's doing dlc, its the other companies... or at least, no valve game i know of does it. Im pretty sure that some companies wanted valve to do it and pressured them into it. As long as l4d and tf2 dont have dlc, im fine.

Please release the Fallout 3 DLC on Steam, please release the Fallout 3 DLC on steam, please....

What does this have to do with Valve? If a developer wants his game to have optional DLC who is Valve to tell them, no? Whether Valve has gone the way of DLC we will see in the future. If updates to their games will cost money than yes Valve has done a bad thing.

Not paying/supporting for DLC on the PC platform.

steam is just like an online store so doesn't really matter. I just hope they don't turn down pc gamers

If content is a apprehension for some developers then they should release the tools and let the PC community work from there.

Steam is a store just like any other. If some developers want to charge money for DLC, I don't see why would Valve try to stop them. Valve is not going to start charging for their updates, neither is Relic, Epic or Stardock. Valve defended the free update approach just recently, that's how they do business and that's not going to change. Developers like Bethesda have other ideas and that's not going to change either - regardless of Steam.

UpInFlames

Steam is a store just like any other. If some developers want to charge money for DLC, I don't see why would Valve try to stop them. Valve is not going to start charging for their updates, neither is Relic, Epic or Stardock. Valve defended the free update approach just recently, that's how they do business and that's not going to change. Developers like Bethesda have other ideas and that's not going to change either - regardless of Steam.

[QUOTE="JangoWuzHere"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]As long as people think with their heads and not their wallets, DLC on PC's should not become popular. Let the DLC sales plunge and show devs that we won't be short changedthe_ChEeSe_mAn2

If people don't buy the stuff (as is being suggested) then future games will not follow this trend. Devs and publishers only do things for the profit, if something isn't profitable, they won't do it. Period. If nobody buys DLC that was obviously cut from the original release just to be sold as DLC, publishers will stop doing that. DLC can be a great tool to release smaller expansions that either wouldn't see the light of day, or would take a much longer time to get out (having to wait for a lot more content to release a full expansion). Bethesda for the most part is using it correctly, first with some of the downloads for Oblivion (some of which were quite large and quite good) and now with the add ons for Fallout 3. That's a good example of how DLC can be used for good.

Using it to deliberately reduce features in the original release for later sale, that's gotta stop.

GUY PLEASE CHILL OUT, PLEASE. Valve is not going the Mircrosoft way. The DLC for Left 4 Dead will be totally free and almost double the game in content. TF2 has had content addded to it for free for a long time. Just chill the crap out. Valve isn't Microsoft and nver will be.

Meh, i just wont buy it, no problem to me.

Its good news.