Piracy, hacks : Are you serious??

Most sites, such as *******.*** are hosted in sweden. Where they arn't actualy hosting anything illegal.

Please explain to me how a torrent file with about 15kb of code is somehow copyrighted? It's not. That's the way torrents work.

Torrents are sorta like a key, it's a key to the download off somebody else. Sure by giving the key away you are helping piracy but you're not actualy breaking the copyright laws.

death1505921

here this man, for he knows what hes talkin about. The torrent sites are not breakin the laws, the individuals (seeders) are. Ever tried to sue an individual for piracy? It doesnt happen often.

The only thing illegal about Torrent Sites is the up-loaders, the Torrent Sites just supply links, its like a conspiracy. Also don't worry there are files out there that are there to trap other up-loaders. I was downloading a copy of monster hunter 2, as the ratings on this site for it were horrible but others thoughts contradicted it, and surely enough I got caught by Capcom. It wasn't that I was downloading it, after all they supplied the file, but it was that I uploaded it to other peers. It never got anywhere so I stopped it at like 1%, and I got an email from my service provider that week saying that I was a bad person, and not to do it again.

Also hacks will never die as long as auction sites are up and running, Ebay has a vast amount of hacks for sale, also as a side note, the only hackers that get caught are leechers, the true hackers are unnoticeable.

[QUOTE="ElArab"][QUOTE="GodLovesDead"]

[QUOTE="Tuzolord"]Well most of those Downloads are probably Viruses, Keyloggers etc :PRottenberry

You'd be surprised how little any of them are viruses.

Really? I can hardly find a no CD crack that isn't full of adware and crap like that, I can't imagine how much corrupted files are in a game. Although I heard "Torrent" was known for safety.

I've never pirated a game, but, I'm gonna confess, I tried to pirate the horse armor mod that Bethesda made for oblivion, it was like 2 dollars...for a mod! C'mon, that's ridiculous. So I tried to find a clean version and well, I right clicked the folder, let McAfee do it's thing, and to no surprise, it was a horrible little virus and adware filled file. I stay away from piracy, I don't trust it. >_>

uberly major n00b

[QUOTE="Hot_Potato"][QUOTE="fourier404"][QUOTE="Ps2stony"]

ONE VERSION of a torrent has been downloaded 100 000+ times. That's over $50 000 000 worth of sales being flushed down the P2P network. So come on, men!

ElectricNZ

Very, very few of those people would have actually bough the game if the torrent wasn't available. They just wouldn't have played Crysis.

If they have already downloaded the full version of the game, why would they even bother buying it? There's a demo for that reason.

Well I downloaded it first, then I bought it... want to see a photo of my crysis special edition along with my massive collection of legit and pirated games? :)

I like the way you roll good sir.

If people have no intention of buying a video game then why do they bother downloading it illegally?sykonfc

So that they can play the game. They just don't want to play so badly that they'd spend $50.

If people have no intention of buying a video game then why do they bother downloading it illegally?sykonfc

FFS.

I think I may need to start saving my previous posts as .txts.

Not to be an arrogant prick but many people, along with myself have posted too many high quality posts which concern the topic of piracy, these posts pretty much answer all the questions and flush all the silly anti-piracy methods down the drain. Seriously, people need to stop starting these moronic anti-piracy threads. I am not condoning piracy, but this is just downright stupid.

Most of the OP's have no idea what the situation of piracy is when they start these threads, it gets rather annoying.

The only thing illegal about Torrent Sites is the up-loaders, the Torrent Sites just supply links, its like a conspiracy. Also don't worry there are files out there that are there to trap other up-loaders. I was downloading a copy of monster hunter 2, as the ratings on this site for it were horrible but others thoughts contradicted it, and surely enough I got caught by Capcom. It wasn't that I was downloading it, after all they supplied the file, but it was that I uploaded it to other peers. It never got anywhere so I stopped it at like 1%, and I got an email from my service provider that week saying that I was a bad person, and not to do it again.

Also hacks will never die as long as auction sites are up and running, Ebay has a vast amount of hacks for sale, also as a side note, the only hackers that get caught are leechers, the true hackers are unnoticeable.

hooded1man

Hooded1man. I'm calling the BS, almost every ISP has actualy stated because of a new proposed goverment idea that they refuse to monitor the traffic of users as they fear it could lose then alot of users. You also said you only get caught for uploading but then said that only leachers get caught?

Mmm, that's some tasty contradiction.

If people have no intention of buying a video game then why do they bother downloading it illegally?sykonfc

That is quite possibly, the stupidest post I've seen here on gamespot.

[QUOTE="hooded1man"]

The only thing illegal about Torrent Sites is the up-loaders, the Torrent Sites just supply links, its like a conspiracy. Also don't worry there are files out there that are there to trap other up-loaders. I was downloading a copy of monster hunter 2, as the ratings on this site for it were horrible but others thoughts contradicted it, and surely enough I got caught by Capcom. It wasn't that I was downloading it, after all they supplied the file, but it was that I uploaded it to other peers. It never got anywhere so I stopped it at like 1%, and I got an email from my service provider that week saying that I was a bad person, and not to do it again.

Also hacks will never die as long as auction sites are up and running, Ebay has a vast amount of hacks for sale, also as a side note, the only hackers that get caught are leechers, the true hackers are unnoticeable.

death1505921

Agreed.

And hooded1man. I'm calling the BS, almost every ISP has actualy stated because of a new proposed goverment idea that they refuse to monitor the traffic of users as they fear it could lose then alot of users. You also said you only get caught for uploading but then said that only leachers get caught?

Mmm, that's some tasty contradiction.

What did you agree with, it seemed like you disagreed with everything he said???

But personally, I have never ever ever ever ever... ever ever....... been sent an email from my ISP concering my "interesting internet usage". Even though I'm a "heavy" user.

[QUOTE="death1505921"][QUOTE="hooded1man"]

The only thing illegal about Torrent Sites is the up-loaders, the Torrent Sites just supply links, its like a conspiracy. Also don't worry there are files out there that are there to trap other up-loaders. I was downloading a copy of monster hunter 2, as the ratings on this site for it were horrible but others thoughts contradicted it, and surely enough I got caught by Capcom. It wasn't that I was downloading it, after all they supplied the file, but it was that I uploaded it to other peers. It never got anywhere so I stopped it at like 1%, and I got an email from my service provider that week saying that I was a bad person, and not to do it again.

Also hacks will never die as long as auction sites are up and running, Ebay has a vast amount of hacks for sale, also as a side note, the only hackers that get caught are leechers, the true hackers are unnoticeable.

ElectricNZ

Agreed.

And hooded1man. I'm calling the BS, almost every ISP has actualy stated because of a new proposed goverment idea that they refuse to monitor the traffic of users as they fear it could lose then alot of users. You also said you only get caught for uploading but then said that only leachers get caught?

Mmm, that's some tasty contradiction.

What did you agree with, it seemed like you disagreed with everything he said???

But personally, I have never ever ever ever ever... ever ever....... been sent an email from my ISP concering my "interesting internet usage". Even though I'm a "heavy" user.

Yeah, I meant to agree to you, forgot I'd quoted him.

Just a few things to remember...

1. IF you have the money, then more likely than not you're going to buy the game rather than downloading it illegally.

2. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, you're not going to buy it anyway.

3. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, but you want the game...what will the average user do? Right, he will look for some free copies, preferably from the internet.

4. There are guys that are not interested in buying games for various reasons (for example, it's "not worth the money" or so), but they KNOW, they can get it free...why not try it out? More often than not it won't hurt them.

From personal experience, you download illegal copies simply because it's THERE. Otherwise you are not going to bother with the real thing. There's hardly any potential loss for the companies. The music and movie (and porn) industries may be a different story though...it's no secret, that their disc sales are decreasing for a pretty long time.

[QUOTE="death1505921"]

Most sites, such as *******.*** are hosted in sweden. Where they arn't actualy hosting anything illegal.

Please explain to me how a torrent file with about 15kb of code is somehow copyrighted? It's not. That's the way torrents work.

Torrents are sorta like a key, it's a key to the download off somebody else. Sure by giving the key away you are helping piracy but you're not actualy breaking the copyright laws.

kalossimitar

here this man, for he knows what hes talkin about. The torrent sites are not breakin the laws, the individuals (seeders) are. Ever tried to sue an individual for piracy? It doesnt happen often.

It's called facilitating copyright infringement. If the sites were located in the USA or Canada they would have been easily shutdown.

haha why you dont tell the army industry to stop making guns!!dnodari

/thread

As long as people are born with small/malformed genitals hacking will continue. Just accept it and kill humans at every chance you get.

Whenever you rent a movie, the multinational media industry forces you to watch their propaganda. They claim that downloading movies is the same as snatching bags, stealing cars or shoplifting. That's simply not true – making a copy is fundamentally different from stealing.

The media industry has failed to offer viable legal alternatives and they will fail to convince consumers that sharing equals stealing. Unfortunately, they have succeeded in another area – lobbying to adapt laws to criminalize sharing, turning consumers into criminals. They argue that their laws are necessary to support artists, but in reality all they're protecting is their own profits.

The Greens in Europe and worldwide has been opposing these laws. We believe that consumers are willing to pay if offered good quality at a fair price. We also believe that sharing is expanding culture – not killing it.

http://iwouldntsteal.net/

GalCiv 2 and Sins Of A Solar Empire shipped without copy protection and are still best-sellers.

Other games, that have copy protection, are best-sellers. Like Crysis, that exceeded Crytek's expectations and sold more than one million.

But the average consumer respects Stardock more than Crytek or EA, because they don't threat him like a criminal, if you see what I mean.

If I really like and want a game, I save money and eventually I buy it, despite the fact that I pirated and played it first. I feel much better having the original game, it's some sort of pride... Also, it's easier using mods etc.

If I don't like the game, I won't buy it. I won't even finish it.

If I don't feel a game is worth the money, I won't buy it. Maybe when it's cheap.

The demos are not representative. CoD4's demo sucked big time. Other demos were interesting, but the games were disappointing.

The argument that "If you have the money to buy a PC, then you have money for games" sucks. I have troubles finding money for my next upgrade, and I definately can't buy every game I want when it costs 1/10 of my total upgrade cost.

I buy many games when they get cheap - for example, I bought Rome: Total War when it was 10 euros, and Quake 4 when it was 20. 50 - 60 is too much for me, and I can't even afford to dream at a console. I got other games when they were distributed with gaming magazine, for 2-3 euro. It's not the same as buying it, but hey, they are originals.

Another thing: how come crappy games like Turning Point and Hour Of Victory have so many seeders? Nobody would buy them, but many people just want to know exactly if they are so bad and they can't like them no matter what. Instead of wasting 50 bucks, you pirate it and satisfy your curiosity!

Same goes for games that had demos many months after launch, like HL2, Doom3 or Portal. People were curious if they would run well or if they would like them.

So, I agree with the above quote. Piracy means sharing culture.

I see some big names in the industry are realising this too. Nine Inch Nails launched their latest album on torrent sites:

Now that we're no longer constrained by a record label, we've decided to personally upload Ghosts I, 

the first of the four volumes, to various torrent sites, 

because we believe BitTorrent is a revolutionary digital distribution method, 

and we believe in finding ways to utilize new technologies instead of fighting them.

We encourage you to share the music of Ghosts I with your friends, post it on your website, 

play it on your podcast, use it for video projects, etc.  

It's licensed for all non-commercial use under Creative Commons.

Ghosts I is the first part of the 36 track collection Ghosts I-IV.  

Undoubtedly you'll be able to find the complete collection on the same torrent network you found this file, 

but if you're interested in the release, we encourage you to check it out at ghosts.nin.com, 

where the complete Ghosts I-IV is available directly from us in a variety of DRM-free digital formats, 

including FLAC lossless, for only $5. 

If the gaming industry would do the same, things would get better.

For now, I see only Stardock - with their awesome customer support: they actually care and 

give tons of goodies - and Valve - with The Orange Box, which everyone praises 

as the year's best deal - are open-minded. 

Yea.... Your right why are you going to these sites? - Reminds me of a Movie comercial thingy.... it goes

"you wouldn't steel a tv, YOu wouldn't steel a car.... dvd.... but you would download a movie. That is steeling. Piracy is steeling"

Well it goes something like that.

Gold_horde

More like "you wouldn't steal a book, would you steal someone's catchphrase or quote?"

[QUOTE="Gold_horde"]

Yea.... Your right why are you going to these sites? - Reminds me of a Movie comercial thingy.... it goes

"you wouldn't steel a tv, YOu wouldn't steel a car.... dvd.... but you would download a movie. That is steeling. Piracy is steeling"

Well it goes something like that.

guynamedbilly

More like "you wouldn't steal a book, would you steal someone's catchphrase or quote?"

Except people don't normally spend millions coming up with a single catchphrase or quote.

Just a few things to remember...

1. IF you have the money, then more likely than not you're going to buy the game rather than downloading it illegally.

2. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, you're not going to buy it anyway.

3. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, but you want the game...what will the average user do? Right, he will look for some free copies, preferably from the internet.

4. There are guys that are not interested in buying games for various reasons (for example, it's "not worth the money" or so), but they KNOW, they can get it free...why not try it out? More often than not it won't hurt them.

From personal experience, you download illegal copies simply because it's THERE. Otherwise you are not going to bother with the real thing. There's hardly any potential loss for the companies. The music and movie (and porn) industries may be a different story though...it's no secret, that their disc sales are decreasing for a pretty long time.

mickymanga

1-false, many ppl using torrents have money, just dont wanna spend it on games, when they cannot, for example, pirate a new video card...

2-true

3-true, or just wait

4- true

I mean, seriously, its so godamn easy to pirate games, if it took 1 week to find and install a game, it wouldnt be worth it, but, if you know just a little about what you doin. You can find the game in 20 minutes, then just let your computer download it for like 2 days, then, like 30 minutes of installation.

If it wasnt so easy to get and install pirated games, people wouldnt pirate. We all do an economical calculus, we check the time it takes compared to the price. Of course, piracy wouldnt be a prob if it took too much time and work.

[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="death1505921"]

Most sites, such as *******.*** are hosted in sweden. Where they arn't actualy hosting anything illegal.

Please explain to me how a torrent file with about 15kb of code is somehow copyrighted? It's not. That's the way torrents work.

Torrents are sorta like a key, it's a key to the download off somebody else. Sure by giving the key away you are helping piracy but you're not actualy breaking the copyright laws.

Deihmos

here this man, for he knows what hes talkin about. The torrent sites are not breakin the laws, the individuals (seeders) are. Ever tried to sue an individual for piracy? It doesnt happen often.

It's called facilitating copyright infringement. If the sites were located in the USA or Canada they would have been easily shutdown.

I doubt you would win in court with that, I might as well sue game companies like stardock who did sins of a solar empire because they didnt put any protection of anykind on their game to protect it from piracy. Its facilitatin copyright infringement too......

[QUOTE="mickymanga"]

Just a few things to remember...

1. IF you have the money, then more likely than not you're going to buy the game rather than downloading it illegally.

2. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, you're not going to buy it anyway.

3. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, but you want the game...what will the average user do? Right, he will look for some free copies, preferably from the internet.

4. There are guys that are not interested in buying games for various reasons (for example, it's "not worth the money" or so), but they KNOW, they can get it free...why not try it out? More often than not it won't hurt them.

From personal experience, you download illegal copies simply because it's THERE. Otherwise you are not going to bother with the real thing. There's hardly any potential loss for the companies. The music and movie (and porn) industries may be a different story though...it's no secret, that their disc sales are decreasing for a pretty long time.

kalossimitar

1-false, many ppl using torrents have money, just dont wanna spend it on games, when they cannot, for example, pirate a new video card...

2-true

3-true, or just wait

4- true

I mean, seriously, its so godamn easy to pirate games, if it took 1 week to find and install a game, it wouldnt be worth it, but, if you know just a little about what you doin. You can find the game in 20 minutes, then just let your computer download it for like 2 days, then, like 30 minutes of installation.

If it wasnt so easy to get and install pirated games, people wouldnt pirate. We all do an economical calculus, we check the time it takes compared to the price. Of course, piracy wouldnt be a prob if it took too much time and work.

lol @ 20 minutes

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="death1505921"]

Most sites, such as *******.*** are hosted in sweden. Where they arn't actualy hosting anything illegal.

Please explain to me how a torrent file with about 15kb of code is somehow copyrighted? It's not. That's the way torrents work.

Torrents are sorta like a key, it's a key to the download off somebody else. Sure by giving the key away you are helping piracy but you're not actualy breaking the copyright laws.

kalossimitar

here this man, for he knows what hes talkin about. The torrent sites are not breakin the laws, the individuals (seeders) are. Ever tried to sue an individual for piracy? It doesnt happen often.

It's called facilitating copyright infringement. If the sites were located in the USA or Canada they would have been easily shutdown.

I doubt you would win in court with that, I might as well sue game companies like stardock who did sins of a solar empire because they didnt put any protection of anykind on their game to protect it from piracy. Its facilitatin copyright infringement too......

Sorry you make no sense. Why do you think these sites are hosted in countries like The Netherlands and Sweden and they have lawyers to battle legal issues. Try hosting a popular torrent site in the USA and see how fast you end up with a massive law suit or in jail. You wouldn't find any hosting companies that will host such a site here anyway.

[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="death1505921"]

Most sites, such as *******.*** are hosted in sweden. Where they arn't actualy hosting anything illegal.

Please explain to me how a torrent file with about 15kb of code is somehow copyrighted? It's not. That's the way torrents work.

Torrents are sorta like a key, it's a key to the download off somebody else. Sure by giving the key away you are helping piracy but you're not actualy breaking the copyright laws.

Deihmos

here this man, for he knows what hes talkin about. The torrent sites are not breakin the laws, the individuals (seeders) are. Ever tried to sue an individual for piracy? It doesnt happen often.

It's called facilitating copyright infringement. If the sites were located in the USA or Canada they would have been easily shutdown.

I doubt you would win in court with that, I might as well sue game companies like stardock who did sins of a solar empire because they didnt put any protection of anykind on their game to protect it from piracy. Its facilitatin copyright infringement too......

Sorry you make no sense. Why do you think these sites are hosted in countries like The Netherlands and Sweden and they have lawyers to battle legal issues. Try hosting a popular torrent site in the USA and see how fast you end up with a massive law suit or in jail. You wouldn't find any hosting companies that will host such a site here anyway.

sorry, I would maybe say youre right, but, with that "sorry you make no sense", you kinda nullified all your argument. kthxbai

[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="mickymanga"]

Just a few things to remember...

1. IF you have the money, then more likely than not you're going to buy the game rather than downloading it illegally.

2. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, you're not going to buy it anyway.

3. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, but you want the game...what will the average user do? Right, he will look for some free copies, preferably from the internet.

4. There are guys that are not interested in buying games for various reasons (for example, it's "not worth the money" or so), but they KNOW, they can get it free...why not try it out? More often than not it won't hurt them.

From personal experience, you download illegal copies simply because it's THERE. Otherwise you are not going to bother with the real thing. There's hardly any potential loss for the companies. The music and movie (and porn) industries may be a different story though...it's no secret, that their disc sales are decreasing for a pretty long time.

kidcool189

1-false, many ppl using torrents have money, just dont wanna spend it on games, when they cannot, for example, pirate a new video card...

2-true

3-true, or just wait

4- true

I mean, seriously, its so godamn easy to pirate games, if it took 1 week to find and install a game, it wouldnt be worth it, but, if you know just a little about what you doin. You can find the game in 20 minutes, then just let your computer download it for like 2 days, then, like 30 minutes of installation.

If it wasnt so easy to get and install pirated games, people wouldnt pirate. We all do an economical calculus, we check the time it takes compared to the price. Of course, piracy wouldnt be a prob if it took too much time and work.

lol @ 20 minutes

why? If you like downloadin torrents with no seeders and only leechers, or you like downloadin trojan horses, then, just keep on dowloadin games you find in 30 seconds. Others will keep on takin 20 minutes to go on the various sites and look at the seeders/leechers ratio, and the specificities of the version on that sire, or on that site. Maybe one has a bonus feature, etc., but has least seeders.

You know nothing.

The fact of the matter is online game piracy is still going strong. While in the old days of there had been an exceedingly high risk of a virus/trojan/keylogger in the games you downloaded, times have changed. For one thing the pirates have become vastly more advanced and organized. The so called "scene" has opened up checks and balances to ensure the reliability of those copied games, most people will download only the scene releases as it almost always assures the best (relatively speaking) copy of the game in question.

The sophistication and lengths that scene pirates, open source advocates, etc have gone to undermine the companies attempts to stop piracy have also increased dramatically. A quick look at the PSP firmware arms race is a good illustration of this.

Strong and drastic measures that companies take to undermine piracy efforts have also not gone well and sometimes end up hurting the consumer. Take for instance the entire SecuROM, Safedisk issues that many legitimate users have suffered. Recently, Frontline: Fuel of War was released and a huge majority of the users who legitimately bought a copy could not play it because the security feature falsely identified them as having a copy. Ironically, pirated versions of the game suffered no such drawbacks -_-

However not all seems to be lost for gaming companies. With multiplayer gaming become ever so popular they have an ace up their sleeve. For now, especially in PC gaming, a legitimate copy of the game or accompanying CD-key is still needed for online play. On the xbox 360, Microsoft has recently instituted numerous bans for consoles that were modded that disables their xbox live. So while single player games have largely fallen prey to piracy, games with competitive strong multiplayer has managed to get by on the merit of their multiplayer.

And as for hacks (i.e. aimbots/maphack/etc) well, there are always people more interesting in stats and the "I WIN" factor than actually having fun. Cest la vie...

[QUOTE="mickymanga"]

Just a few things to remember...

1. IF you have the money, then more likely than not you're going to buy the game rather than downloading it illegally.

2. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, you're not going to buy it anyway.

3. If you DON'T have the (sufficient) money, but you want the game...what will the average user do? Right, he will look for some free copies, preferably from the internet.

4. There are guys that are not interested in buying games for various reasons (for example, it's "not worth the money" or so), but they KNOW, they can get it free...why not try it out? More often than not it won't hurt them.

From personal experience, you download illegal copies simply because it's THERE. Otherwise you are not going to bother with the real thing. There's hardly any potential loss for the companies. The music and movie (and porn) industries may be a different story though...it's no secret, that their disc sales are decreasing for a pretty long time.

kalossimitar

1-false, many ppl using torrents have money, just dont wanna spend it on games, when they cannot, for example, pirate a new video card...

2-true

3-true, or just wait

4- true

I mean, seriously, its so godamn easy to pirate games, if it took 1 week to find and install a game, it wouldnt be worth it, but, if you know just a little about what you doin. You can find the game in 20 minutes, then just let your computer download it for like 2 days, then, like 30 minutes of installation.

If it wasnt so easy to get and install pirated games, people wouldnt pirate. We all do an economical calculus, we check the time it takes compared to the price. Of course, piracy wouldnt be a prob if it took too much time and work.

[QUOTE="kalossimitar"][QUOTE="death1505921"]

Most sites, such as *******.*** are hosted in sweden. Where they arn't actualy hosting anything illegal.

Please explain to me how a torrent file with about 15kb of code is somehow copyrighted? It's not. That's the way torrents work.

Torrents are sorta like a key, it's a key to the download off somebody else. Sure by giving the key away you are helping piracy but you're not actualy breaking the copyright laws.

Deihmos

here this man, for he knows what hes talkin about. The torrent sites are not breakin the laws, the individuals (seeders) are. Ever tried to sue an individual for piracy? It doesnt happen often.

It's called facilitating copyright infringement. If the sites were located in the USA or Canada they would have been easily shutdown.

Actually in Canada it isn't against the law to host a site that links to a torrent. It is illegal however to host torrents on your site. This is why we have one of the largest torrent sites operating out of Canada after they got shut down in the states.

I just recently purchased myself a Puch Montana (a moped) and now i don't have enough money to go for both gaming & moped , a single game is about my whole allowance . And i desperately need a new carburetor .

Money is an issue :(

(Edited to perfection)

1-false, many ppl using torrents have money, just dont wanna spend it on games, when they cannot, for example, pirate a new video card...kalossimitar

Keep in mind, that if they don't intend to buy the games, they won't hurt the industry by pirating the game, when they weren't going to buy it in the first place.

Whether the user is just cheap or has more "important" things to spend money on, is irrelevant to the topic anyway.

Right, let me break it down nice and easy.

1. The majority of piraters who download their games are because they can't pay for it. Period. I am friends with a bunch of pirates and also know of a massive pirate forum I go on and the majority of people on there are jobless teenagers.

2. The argument that you can wait 2 years and it'll be 20 bucks is probably the funniest arguement I've heard in a long time. Yeah, 'cause with your brand new hardware you're going to wait 2 years before you can play the latest games if you can get them right now :roll:

3. The major torrent sites are hosted off shores in Sweden and the Netherlands ect. There they cannot be prosocuted because they are not actualy breaking any laws. They are hosting tiny 15kb files that have no copywrite on them at all. How can you say that a website is hosting your copywrited materials when if you download all 15kb of it, you get nothing to do at all with your file?

4. You get the file from the uploaders. The torrent itself is somewhat of a key, a key to the uploaders who you download it off. Nothing to do with the hosting website and totally legal.

5. The ideas of "copy protection" "bigger games" "patch support" are all pointless. You cannot break piracy, only educate on it. Crack groups such as Razer and Loder will just rip out dummy files, pump out cracks and compress the game massivly. They are competing against each other for popularity and will do whatever they can to get more downloads. It's a sort of pride.

6. Blu ray games won't be the norm on the PC for a long, long time, a majority of users won't buy a £150 blu-ray player and if you have a pre-build your SOL and need a new system. Won't happen for a long time, by which time internet2 will be available outside of the goverment and speeds will be massivly improved.

7. The only way to possibly stop pirating is to educate people on what damage it is having. It is having an impact but no-where near as much as people make out. Most piraters as I have said are jobless teenagers and can't buy the game anyway. They have a good system from self building and getting money for christmas/birthdays.

8. You cannot police the internet, the goverment cencors enough as it is. The internet is a free place to say opinions and what not outside of the law. It is incredibly hard to put down a site offshore. The only way you can is by threatening the ISP. And most of the time the hoster will just up and use a different ISP.

9. Very little torrents are viruses ect. They will be quickly flagged via comments/ratings and more often than not removed from the website. Most have dedicated crackers (Loder and Razor ect) and they are mostly downloaded and get more seeders hence more downloaders and the little virus torrents get little attention.

Most of the ideas here in this thread are pretty laughable. Piracy WILL continue, you can try to minimize it but it is not having as much of an impact as people have. Those blindly defending piracy have no idea what they are talking about most of the time.

[QUOTE="zymn1"]

well.

piracy is against the law. but, as usual, theres always someone, somewhere, breaking the law.

get over it. and why are you going on these piracy sites?

xwolfghost

Ya get over it, thats a nice attitude. Keep doing that and soon everyone is going to be using torrents. I wouldn't be surprised if this stuff has infected the console industry in a year or so. Somebody has just gotta get someway to take down these sites. I don't know how the hell they could get away with it. Ya they may just be distributing it but they are pretty much the entire problem. If nobody can distribute this stuff then nobody will be able to get it, easy as that. Stupid laws

HAHA, console piracy is as old as PC one.

...Don't we have webmasters or something that are like the cops of the internet? Maybe every OS sold should come with code that doesn't let you load up a page/doesn't let a program run?...

Ps2stony

putting piracy aside, are you serious? you probably also advocate that the government should read all our mail. where does it end? where do you put a line that separate what can and cannot be viewed by people? that's why you have the freedom of information (for the most part).

Right, let me break it down nice and easy.

1. The majority of piraters who download their games are because they can't pay for it. Period. I am friends with a bunch of pirates and also know of a massive pirate forum I go on and the majority of people on there are jobless teenagers.

2. The argument that you can wait 2 years and it'll be 20 bucks is probably the funniest arguement I've heard in a long time. Yeah, 'cause with your brand new hardware you're going to wait 2 years before you can play the latest games if you can get them right now :roll:

3. The major torrent sites are hosted off shores in Sweden and the Netherlands ect. There they cannot be prosocuted because they are not actualy breaking any laws. They are hosting tiny 15kb files that have no copywrite on them at all. How can you say that a website is hosting your copywrited materials when if you download all 15kb of it, you get nothing to do at all with your file?

4. You get the file from the uploaders. The torrent itself is somewhat of a key, a key to the uploaders who you download it off. Nothing to do with the hosting website and totally legal.

5. The ideas of "copy protection" "bigger games" "patch support" are all pointless. You cannot break piracy, only educate on it. Crack groups such as Razer and Loder will just rip out dummy files, pump out cracks and compress the game massivly. They are competing against each other for popularity and will do whatever they can to get more downloads. It's a sort of pride.

6. Blu ray games won't be the norm on the PC for a long, long time, a majority of users won't buy a £150 blu-ray player and if you have a pre-build your SOL and need a new system. Won't happen for a long time, by which time internet2 will be available outside of the goverment and speeds will be massivly improved.

7. The only way to possibly stop pirating is to educate people on what damage it is having. It is having an impact but no-where near as much as people make out. Most piraters as I have said are jobless teenagers and can't buy the game anyway. They have a good system from self building and getting money for christmas/birthdays.

8. You cannot police the internet, the goverment cencors enough as it is. The internet is a free place to say opinions and what not outside of the law. It is incredibly hard to put down a site offshore. The only way you can is by threatening the ISP. And most of the time the hoster will just up and use a different ISP.

9. Very little torrents are viruses ect. They will be quickly flagged via comments/ratings and more often than not removed from the website. Most have dedicated crackers (Loder and Razor ect) and they are mostly downloaded and get more seeders hence more downloaders and the little virus torrents get little attention.

Most of the ideas here in this thread are pretty laughable. Piracy WILL continue, you can try to minimize it but it is not having as much of an impact as people have. Those blindly defending piracy have no idea what they are talking about most of the time.

death1505921

Very true and well written. A fellow Pirate I know lives in god-has-forsaken-this-country-...istan, by the time they get games there is useually already a sequel... Or twelve. Now he doesn't mind going out of his way to get new hardware 'i.e going to a western country' but spending over 200 bucks just for shipping costs per game is a bit too much for him. So he waits for a decent scene release to come out. And if it's a good game he wants to try over multiplayer, then the next time he visits a real country; he buys it.

There is no way to end piracy. Forget it. None. No chance. Even if satan is freezing his bollocks off I'd still be able to get pirated software if I wanted.

No matter what there will always be dedicated crackers and top notch programmers somewhere in a corner of the earth trying to break the system. Scenes like Razor as mentioned, Dopeman, Fairlight and Vitality won't accept 'no' for an answer.

Also as a bit of clarification for you. All of the formentioned groups actually include a .nfo in the torrent wich encourages people to buy the game if they liked it and if they can.

p.s mate, loder is a bot.

[QUOTE="death1505921"]

Right, let me break it down nice and easy.

1. The majority of piraters who download their games are because they can't pay for it. Period. I am friends with a bunch of pirates and also know of a massive pirate forum I go on and the majority of people on there are jobless teenagers.

2. The argument that you can wait 2 years and it'll be 20 bucks is probably the funniest arguement I've heard in a long time. Yeah, 'cause with your brand new hardware you're going to wait 2 years before you can play the latest games if you can get them right now :roll:

3. The major torrent sites are hosted off shores in Sweden and the Netherlands ect. There they cannot be prosocuted because they are not actualy breaking any laws. They are hosting tiny 15kb files that have no copywrite on them at all. How can you say that a website is hosting your copywrited materials when if you download all 15kb of it, you get nothing to do at all with your file?

4. You get the file from the uploaders. The torrent itself is somewhat of a key, a key to the uploaders who you download it off. Nothing to do with the hosting website and totally legal.

5. The ideas of "copy protection" "bigger games" "patch support" are all pointless. You cannot break piracy, only educate on it. Crack groups such as Razer and Loder will just rip out dummy files, pump out cracks and compress the game massivly. They are competing against each other for popularity and will do whatever they can to get more downloads. It's a sort of pride.

6. Blu ray games won't be the norm on the PC for a long, long time, a majority of users won't buy a £150 blu-ray player and if you have a pre-build your SOL and need a new system. Won't happen for a long time, by which time internet2 will be available outside of the goverment and speeds will be massivly improved.

7. The only way to possibly stop pirating is to educate people on what damage it is having. It is having an impact but no-where near as much as people make out. Most piraters as I have said are jobless teenagers and can't buy the game anyway. They have a good system from self building and getting money for christmas/birthdays.

8. You cannot police the internet, the goverment cencors enough as it is. The internet is a free place to say opinions and what not outside of the law. It is incredibly hard to put down a site offshore. The only way you can is by threatening the ISP. And most of the time the hoster will just up and use a different ISP.

9. Very little torrents are viruses ect. They will be quickly flagged via comments/ratings and more often than not removed from the website. Most have dedicated crackers (Loder and Razor ect) and they are mostly downloaded and get more seeders hence more downloaders and the little virus torrents get little attention.

Most of the ideas here in this thread are pretty laughable. Piracy WILL continue, you can try to minimize it but it is not having as much of an impact as people have. Those blindly defending piracy have no idea what they are talking about most of the time.

Horendous86

Very true and well written. A fellow Pirate I know lives in god-has-forsaken-this-country-...istan, by the time they get games there is useually already a sequel... Or twelve. Now he doesn't mind going out of his way to get new hardware 'i.e going to a western country' but spending over 200 bucks just for shipping costs per game is a bit too much for him. So he waits for a decent scene release to come out. And if it's a good game he wants to try over multiplayer, then the next time he visits a real country; he buys it.

There is no way to end piracy. Forget it. None. No chance. Even if satan is freezing his bollocks off I'd still be able to get pirated software if I wanted.

No matter what there will always be dedicated crackers and top notch programmers somewhere in a corner of the earth trying to break the system. Scenes like Razor as mentioned, Dopeman, Fairlight and Vitality won't accept 'no' for an answer.

Also as a bit of clarification for you. All of the formentioned groups actually include a .nfo in the torrent wich encourages people to buy the game if they liked it and if they can.

p.s mate, loder is a bot.

Loder is a bot o.O? Christ, and yeah, he was the only one other than Razor I can remember being popular on this a forum I go. Vitality is also very active.

And yeah, like you said alot of torrents encourage you to buy and not pirate. Most crack groups see it as a try before you buy type thing. They want you to buy the game if you can but don't mind if you download it because you can't afford to buy it.

The ones that download games they really want yet have money/jobs that they can easily buy the game are actualy looked down upon in the pirating scene aswell. It's not like every pirate is out to hurt the industry.

[QUOTE="sykonfc"]If people have no intention of buying a video game then why do they bother downloading it illegally?death1505921

That is quite possibly, the stupidest post I've seen here on gamespot.

Wow, death1505921 thanks for proving to everyone what a giant prick you are. I asked a legitimate quesation and in turn, you proved that you are a child. You resorted to flinging an insult at my intelligence. What class. Oh wait!, you have none. Yeah. Shut your mouth with posts like that, it adds nothing to the discussion and makes you look like a fool.

Same goes to EletricNZ. The atypical poster who formulates blanket statements and calls people "morons" because he made a post debunking the opposition's point before! LOL! guys, don't even bother trying to defend your position I made a post already disapproving it two weeks ago!

Give me a break.

Too be honest, and what neither death or Electric know; is that I really don't care about piracy. I'm not affected by it, I don't support it or oppose it. My question was a serious question (and again Gamespot doesn't disappoint, it always provides the ugly red headed step-children of the internet in ample supply). I see time and time again people stating that most people who pirate games wouldn't buy it in the first place; so why are they going to download it they're not interested in it in the first place?

Note*: Excuse my brashness, I tend to not fly off the handle like that; but some people tend to be very efficient in pushing my buttons. Especially when posters would rather ridicule me than engage me in an actual debate.

Lol, if you have read any of my other posts you would understand my point. The question you asked came across as sarcasm.

They bother to download it because they want to play it. If you are a 14 year old teenager with crap all income you probably have no intention to buy games because it will take them two months of saving + completly clean them out. They want to play the game. Why else would they download it? Hence you can see why I took it as sarcasm because it is a stupid question.

I had no intention of ridiculing you but as I have said I took it as sarcasm I apologise for that but for the fact that you are now running around telling me to "Shut my mouth" even though I am actualy formulating proper arguments here.

The reason people don't buy the games in the first place is because they can't afford to. Not because they don't want to.

If you'd have read other posts in this thread you'd have understood that.

If people have no intention of buying a video game then why do they bother downloading it illegally?sykonfc

I'll confess. I download Sins of a Solar Empire with no intention et-all to buy it. I knew Stardocks other software, the 'desktop enhancement' stuff. It trashed my shell and left me very angry and I was forced to load a previous image. It was just one of those 'this can't be good, oh well green arrow'

Woke up the next morning played it till I literally almost fell asleep on the keyboard. Next day straight out of work I bought the 'real' version for 50 euros.

In fact. If I just go from reviews demo's and here-say I wouldn't have the collection of games I have today.

Lol, if you have read any of my other posts you would understand my point. The question you asked came across as sarcasm.

They bother to download it because they want to play it. If you are a 14 year old teenager with crap all income you probably have no intention to buy games because it will take them two months of saving + completly clean them out. They want to play the game. Why else would they download it? Hence you can see why I took it as sarcasm because it is a stupid question.

I had no intention of ridiculing you but as I have said I took it as sarcasm I apologise for that but for the fact that you are now running around telling me to "Shut my mouth" even though I am actualy formulating proper arguments here.

The reason people don't buy the games in the first place is because they can't afford to. Not because they don't want to.

If you'd have read other posts in this thread you'd have understood that.

death1505921

I see your point.

It is difficult deviating sarcasm on the internet, I too have made a mistake similar to that in the past.

I did read the first page however and didn't see anyone address the question (or a similar query) I had asked earlier hence, why I felt it wasnecessaryto ask. I apologize for flying off the handle, I don't like "getting down and dirty" like I did earlier because it drags things off topic.

[QUOTE="death1505921"]

Lol, if you have read any of my other posts you would understand my point. The question you asked came across as sarcasm.

They bother to download it because they want to play it. If you are a 14 year old teenager with crap all income you probably have no intention to buy games because it will take them two months of saving + completly clean them out. They want to play the game. Why else would they download it? Hence you can see why I took it as sarcasm because it is a stupid question.

I had no intention of ridiculing you but as I have said I took it as sarcasm I apologise for that but for the fact that you are now running around telling me to "Shut my mouth" even though I am actualy formulating proper arguments here.

The reason people don't buy the games in the first place is because they can't afford to. Not because they don't want to.

If you'd have read other posts in this thread you'd have understood that.

sykonfc

I see your point.

It is difficult deviating sarcasm on the internet, I too have made a mistake similar to that in the past.

I did read the first page however and didn't see anyone address the question (or a similar query) I had asked earlier hence, why I felt it wasnecessaryto ask. I apologize for flying off the handle, I don't like "getting down and dirty" like I did earlier because it drags things off topic.

No problem, I agree I try to avoid system wars for that very reason :P.

So many of you think that letting people pirate games is more important than developers getting their hard-earned money?Ps2stony

You have understood nothing of this entire thread.

[QUOTE="Ps2stony"]So many of you think that letting people pirate games is more important than developers getting their hard-earned money?death1505921

You have understood nothing of this entire thread.

So many of you think that letting people pirate games is more important than developers getting their hard-earned money?Ps2stony

Developers need to learn to treat their actual customers better instead of acting like everyone is a criminal. People are dodging games with certain security suites and it also increases development costs for the game, meaning less profit.

Now, it isn't right that they are losing out on the POSSIBLE income from these pirates but they can't really judge how high their lost sales are. Plus, developers/publishers need to move with the times and find new ways of combatting this. Such as digital distribution or server authentication. Both are less painful to the customer and halts most piracy of the products.

Welcome to America!DeathStar17

Right, let me break it down nice and easy.

1. The majority of piraters who download their games are because they can't pay for it. Period. I am friends with a bunch of pirates and also know of a massive pirate forum I go on and the majority of people on there are jobless teenagers.

2. The argument that you can wait 2 years and it'll be 20 bucks is probably the funniest arguement I've heard in a long time. Yeah, 'cause with your brand new hardware you're going to wait 2 years before you can play the latest games if you can get them right now :roll:

death1505921

Ok, wait. So these broke ass teenagers can afford brand new hardware but not small amounts of money for games?

Very true and well written. A fellow Pirate I know lives in god-has-forsaken-this-country-...istan, by the time they get games there is useually already a sequel... Or twelve. Now he doesn't mind going out of his way to get new hardware 'i.e going to a western country' but spending over 200 bucks just for shipping costs per game is a bit too much for him. So he waits for a decent scene release to come out. And if it's a good game he wants to try over multiplayer, then the next time he visits a real country; he buys it.

Horendous86

What about digital distribution?

I can happily say I paid for my copy of Crysis ;)MyopicCanadian

As did I.:) I can also proudly say that I have never pirated a game.

[QUOTE="death1505921"]

Right, let me break it down nice and easy.

1. The majority of piraters who download their games are because they can't pay for it. Period. I am friends with a bunch of pirates and also know of a massive pirate forum I go on and the majority of people on there are jobless teenagers.

2. The argument that you can wait 2 years and it'll be 20 bucks is probably the funniest arguement I've heard in a long time. Yeah, 'cause with your brand new hardware you're going to wait 2 years before you can play the latest games if you can get them right now :roll:

MyopicCanadian

Ok, wait. So these broke ass teenagers can afford brand new hardware but not small amounts of money for games?

Very true and well written. A fellow Pirate I know lives in god-has-forsaken-this-country-...istan, by the time they get games there is useually already a sequel... Or twelve. Now he doesn't mind going out of his way to get new hardware 'i.e going to a western country' but spending over 200 bucks just for shipping costs per game is a bit too much for him. So he waits for a decent scene release to come out. And if it's a good game he wants to try over multiplayer, then the next time he visits a real country; he buys it.

Horendous86

What about digital distribution?

Yes, my computer costs like what? $1000 USD?

I use it not only for playing games, it also has many other uses including (but not restricted to) - Design work (I'm a design student), multimedia viewing, video editing, music production, web design, coding and internet browsing.

So when I buy my expensive hardware, it's not just for playing games. I also need the top end hardware for rendering and 3D work, while a workstation graphics card would be optimal, mine does both gaming and 3D very well.

Buying games is NOT cheap, here in New Zealand a single PC game costs 100 NZD which is about 65 USD, and they hardly ever drop in price... (starcraft still sells for 50 NZD).

So in 2007, I bought 4 games. Crysis special edition, Call of Duty 4, The Witcher and The Orange Box. They add up to $420, I spent less than that on my XFX 8800GTS 512Mb... which is very high end.

And, yeah I pirated about 30 or so games, but honestly, I would not have bought any of them... In fact I pirated the above 4 games before I bought them, but I thought they were worth the money to buy, and they were.

Digital distribution mmmm, if only that was a cheap option as well. I wanted to buy Orange Box on steam, but the nasty valve know that both Australians and New Zealanders pay a lot more for their games... so they adjusted their prices accordingly. Australians and New Zealanders both have to pay full retail price for most of the games on steam, especially new releases.