Piracy hurting PC games market

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#51 Letesmetty
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Steam should host all future PC Games and the problem would be solved.
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#52 ElvisNixon
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1) is piracy supposed to be a new issue or something?

2) the USA has the toughest and most restrictive intellectual property laws in the world, so, what is it exactly that you propose to further restrict, or "further" illegalize?

3)  until you supply your specifics this thead is nothing but pointless and aimless posturing, concerning an issue that has never been subject to legitimate debate (i.e. piracy is not good).

4) it's funny that game companies like to play the "piracy" card after making underperformign games, to expain their underperformance.  blame the victim is a very common corporate strategy.  thus, i don't even accept your "evidence" as support of your premise, even though your premises is so clear as to be nothing but hackneyed.
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#53 Wezker619
Member since 2006 • 1427 Posts
How can it hurt it most pirated games have invalid CD keys so when people want to access the net they cant because of their invalid or used cd key.
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#54 IBEX333
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I remember saying in one the threads that piracy is killing the PC market and many people said that was not the problem. It is becomign more and more difficult for developers to make money on PC games and i think the main problem is piracy.

At an early session Friday, id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead gave a lecture on the problems of piracy on the internet. During his speech, Hollenshead revealed that, although they are still primarily a PC developer, id Software had begun to look at console game releases as a way to financially combat piracy.

"Piracy has pushed id as being multiplatform," Hollenshead said, noting that the current project Enemy Territory: Quake Wars is being scheduled for release on PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3. Hollenshead's rationale is that console piracy is, by a large factor, minimal relative to the rampant PC piracy.

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Hmmm.. good. This means that the pirates will divert their effort to the consoles making it easier for other pirates to pirate console games.

As for me, even better... If the PC gaming industry dies, that means I have no choice but to divert my attention to real life, making me a more healthy, and wealthy individual. Mabe then I can finally "get a life". lol

But off course that wont happen. PC gaming industry is nowhere near dying.
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#55 biowulf
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[QUOTE="biowulf"]If I didnt get to download games, then how would I know which games were a piece of trash and a waste of money?! For instance, Neverwinter Nights 2.XaosII


Does the word "Demo" mean anything to you? Or maybe, you know, the countless reviews found on web sites for the game.

Didn't know I was supposed to base my purchasing a videogame off the Demo the company releases. It's the simple bait and hook. Most of the Demos i've played in which I in return bought the game have had me dissapointed, mainly because the Demo is a lot more misleading and entertaining than the actual game. I read reviews, but last time I check, they're opinions and I can't play a review can I?
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#56 Ryanzbane
Member since 2005 • 668 Posts
Piracy is the excuse they use... but you can believe whatever you want. *sigh* I debated this last year in a 50+ page thread. Not going to do it again.
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#57 ChrisJ2004
Member since 2003 • 2818 Posts
Oblivion.. which had no copy protection did fine...
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#58 accord100
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Yea I agree that piracy does hurt the pc game industry, but If the developers make a "gotta have it" game then they should be fine.
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#59 Tequila_Zaire
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That's such BS from iD...piracy has always been a factor in PC gaming going back to the diskette era. I'm glad they are bringing up the topic for discussion but the REAL reason to take Quake Wars on consoles is A. They are powerful enough to handle it. and B. as CoD 2 showed...you can make a killing without having to totally tailor a game to the console. It's a great way to make more $$$. Nothing at all wrong with that...but to blame piracy?

Look at Oblivion...a game with pretyt much no real protection on it sold very very well. Most people avoid PC versions of some games because of awful copy protection or poor support from the publishers. Factor in how many PC games are shipping way too early and well...that cuts into sales.

Piracy is an issue but nowhere near the main one hurting PC game sales...unlike consoles you can play not only new games but old games on your current PC...and that makes the PC gaming shelves packed with MANY titles that should no longer be there talking up the space and attention from new titles.

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#60 Kalroth
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At least game makers have made sense against piracy by premaking their CD-keys that work online to reflect a CD key a user at their home has. This way when someone downloads a game, they have to actually have a valid CD key that matches whats on a game server.

Like WoW, Blizzard doesn't give a damn were the WoW software comes from, in fact when you went out and bought WoW, you didn't pay for the software, or the discs, you actually paid for that CD-Key. That CD is your access to get to play the actual game.

CD key generators these days will let you install the game, but you can't play it online. Online play is what really makes most games really fun. (BF2142, BF2, DoW, Counter-Strike, WoW(duh), etc.)

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#61 brednan1092x
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I don't see your point in this thread so what if so ceo says its ruining stuff their not just gonna stop making games for PC

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#62 dmb34
Member since 2004 • 1102 Posts
It absolutely amazes me that some people think piracy really isnt hurting pc gaming. While the pirates get free games we get stuck with nice little features like starforce and such. Game development  costs millions to a company producing a big name title and the pc gaming market not quite what it used to be is not making alot of money for the developer in the first place. Hense companies now looking at the console gold mine and wanting to take a chunk of it.
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#63 brednan1092x
Member since 2006 • 102 Posts
and if was hurting them so bad they would find away to lock ppl from being able to copy them ect..
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#64 the_mad_madman
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Gotta love the way pirates crawl outta their dens to defend their theft when something like this comes up!

"Oh, but games are so expensive these days and I only buy THE BEST games!" is a common one. Here, lemme sum up a reply: Then do something else if you can't afford it! You don't need games, no one does, the way half of you act it's like you breath games instead of oxygen! Disgusting. Look, you're thieves, stop trying to rationalize it just because you never physically stole the box off a shelf. Here we have one of the people who make these games saying you're hurting the industry, and what's the reply? "Oh, he's wrong! It's all an excuse! Games cost too much already!" pathetic. I'll take this mans word over a thieves anyday. Go on stealing and soon there wont be any mainstream developers left on PC, and those that dont convert will die like Looking Glass did in the past.

Piracy is a crime, stop trying to pretend it isn't.
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#65 maccaaccam
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why bite the hand that feeds you.
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#66 Dracunos
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[QUOTE="XaosII"][QUOTE="biowulf"]If I didnt get to download games, then how would I know which games were a piece of trash and a waste of money?! For instance, Neverwinter Nights 2.biowulf


Does the word "Demo" mean anything to you? Or maybe, you know, the countless reviews found on web sites for the game.


Didn't know I was supposed to base my purchasing a videogame off the Demo the company releases. It's the simple bait and hook. Most of the Demos i've played in which I in return bought the game have had me dissapointed, mainly because the Demo is a lot more misleading and entertaining than the actual game. I read reviews, but last time I check, they're opinions and I can't play a review can I?


Holy crap that statement annoys me. This isn't a common problem, I suppose, because most people love well-loved games, but the fact is.. Arcanum was given pretty mid-low ratings and reviews, and any demo of that game wouldn't give me even a slight sense of what the game was really like.. But somehow, that game is one of my favorite games of all time.. Top five of my life, which is much to say for myself personally since I've played a whole lot of games. I constantly play demos of games, and 90% of the games I play the demos of shows me that I shouldn't waste my money on the game, because frankly, I rarely.. VERY VERY rarely ever enjoy any game, and I've spent thousands of dollars in my life on games, despite that. I hate it when I play a game that was rated so so so damned high, every single person in the world absolutely loved it, everyone says it's great, blah blah blah, perfect ratings and all this, and I play it and it's another piece of crap. Then I absolutely love some of these games that were given 70s. Annoying, annoying, annoying. That's just a personal qualm, and the statement annoys me because of my unique taste causes me to rarely ever enjoy a game to play it over.. an hour. I don't have any personal input to the argument about pro or anti pirating :p Let me just say if pirating didn't exist, I'd have even more games than the 40 I have now that sat in my CD-rom for maybe 20 minutes before I never played the 50 dollar piece of crap again. But I admit my situation is a very unique one, and I have the same problems with novels and movies, and pretty much anything, and most people pirating games actually would have given the money rightly to the company they enjoyed the game of. Just talking : p
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