PK is killing MMORPG community, whether you believe or not

Forced PvP is very bad, no matter if your at a low level or endgame, if you want to solo/group, you should be able to, and all the way to the top. Full PvE servers are an obligation IMO. I have no time to waste with a community which plan on hindering me, they can help me or be gone, not hinder me.

No matter the system, 2 players should kills a loner IMO, it shouldn't be even remotedly fair. It limit the amount of abuse such as described...

Personnally I found faction PvP (or RvR) even worser than a chaotic situation where everyone can attack everyone. In a RvR setting, peoples just attack you right away, there are no co-existence. It is like the devs told them: Be a jerk and kill in peace. In a setting where everyone attack whoever they want, I am usually left alone...and usually can find lot of help. In a faction system, half the players can't help me from been ganked even if they want to. In a chaotic setting, there is nothing like fleeing...and then BAM, ganker owned by another dark elf rogue, just like him. Once a guy which I couldn't even possibly think of defeating attacks me...I send a tell to a friend and manage to survive until my friend comes...it was hilarious to see the ganker reaction, but wtf some of these peoples are thinking...they attack with a setting that is unfair and they get surprised that renforcement come in to kill them? :P If I can't outdamage an enemy regen and yet accept the fight without retreating 1 inch...that is suspicious, why would I do that if I don't expect heavy renforcements? :P

Forced PvP is very bad, no matter if your at a low level or endgame, if you want to solo/group, you should be able to, and all the way to the top.

No matter the system, 2 players should kills a loner IMO, it shouldn't be even remotedly fair. It limit the amount of abuse such as described...

Personnally I found faction PvP (or RvR) even worser than a chaotic situation where everyone can attack everyone. In a RvR setting, peoples just attack you right away, there are no co-existence. It is like the devs told them: Be a jerk and kill in peace. In a setting where everyone attack whoever they want, I am usually left alone...and usually can find lot of help. In a faction system, half the players can't help me from been ganked even if they want to. In a chaotic setting, there is nothing like fleeing...and then BAM, ganker owned by another dark elf rogue, just like him.

Anofalye

I think GuildWars has the PvP System pretty good, it takes more skill than other rpgs.AnotherKill

Agreed, even though Guild wars isn't an MMO many MMO's should take some lessons from guild wars, I could play there capture the flag all day for faction. And the guild vs guild stuff is absolutely outstanding, WoW on the other hand 5 minutes of any of their PVP maps and i wanted to throw my pc out the window.

You're right. FPS/RTS games are clearly a more fair fight.

The guys who PK in MMOs are total n00bs who need virtual skill to defeat someone.

i myself hate pk-ed by some random impolite noobs just becuz i'm new or he play longer than meLHOO

This sentense is kind of funny. I think people are starting to use the term "noob" too loosely. How can they be "noobs" if they have been playing longer then you? And if you're new, that makes you the noob, not them. Anyway, I don't mean to flame your topic or anything, but I can barely read anything you or the article writer have said. I'm interested, but it's basically illegible as someone else has said. If english isn't your first language, keep studying. If english is your first language, this is kind of pathetic.

PvP is in no way killing MMORPGs - if you don't want to be PvPed, don't join an auto-on PvP MMORPG.

Wired had an interesting article about griefers in their latest issue. If you aren't interested in reading the whole article, take a look at the EVE Online part.

When will people understand that MMOs are entirely based on how much time you spend playing? There's no skill, just who has the most boring life = autowin.Swiftstrike5

God forbid someone that puts more time and effort into a game has a stronger character than you :roll: griefing is one thing, pointless click fests like Guild Wars are another .... but games that promote better characters are much better imo...

Liek real life? we are not all balance, im gonna go with the typical interweb lingo and say QQ more on this one.

[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"]When will people understand that MMOs are entirely based on how much time you spend playing? There's no skill, just who has the most boring life = autowin.TheBigBadGRIM

Skills in RPGS? since when? RPGs have always beena bout Quests/grinds ... skill? using rock paper scissors abilities? spam healing? Spam damage ect has never been skillful ... well ... not in the same sense that an FPS is ....

You cant base 1 genre on another, RPGs is just grind and optmize your characters utilizing thier SET abilities, FPS = reaction time & Experiance with mechanics for common sense ... RTS = Micro management.

PvP is in no way killing MMORPGs - if you don't want to be PvPed, don't join an auto-on PvP MMORPG.

Erandel

Then, if the MMO doesn't have a PvE server, it's PvP is killing it as some players don't join it. Furthermore, if it was the only MMO interesting this player, he won't play any MMO because of the lack of a PvE server on this precise MMO. Considering that ALL MMOs main activity resolve around PvE, I don't understand why some opt to have no PvE-server...sound like a nazi GF!

I am happy we agree.

You kids playing WoW have no clue what a reall MMO is, back in the days of the original Ultima Online we had a real MMO. There was nothing like the fear of going into the woods to chop trees to get wood but being careful to not stray too far and to stay alert for murderers. You traveled in groups when possible if you were not a strong character. You formed lynch mobs to go out and hunt murderers as well. If not for PK'ers the game would have been dull.

Saying that, it was Ultima Online that launched the MMO craze, so the game that started it all featured PKing, so how is PKing killing MMO's again? Silly. The problem is people whining about PKing are the ones who killed MMO's. Ultima Online died when the care bears got their way.

[QUOTE="TheBigBadGRIM"][QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"]When will people understand that MMOs are entirely based on how much time you spend playing? There's no skill, just who has the most boring life = autowin.Meu2k7

Skills in RPGS? since when? RPGs have always beena bout Quests/grinds ... skill? using rock paper scissors abilities? spam healing? Spam damage ect has never been skillful ... well ... not in the same sense that an FPS is ....

You cant base 1 genre on another, RPGs is just grind and optmize your characters utilizing thier SET abilities, FPS = reaction time & Experiance with mechanics for common sense ... RTS = Micro management.

Exactly! Player vs Player fights in an MMO are never balanced, its who has more uber lewtz and xp. If you want a balanced and fair fight, stick with an FPS/RTS, where each player is given an equal chance from the beginning.

MMOrpg's are in essence massive grindfests, grind for rep, experience. Even most quests involve grinding.

That said the only thing that really reliefs from the tedium of grinding is PvP and social stuff. Me being a social neanderthall turns me to the pvp.

Battlegrounds, Arena's and designated PvP spots cannot compare to world PvP and PK'ing. Theres nothing funner then cruelly and brutally gan- .. 'relieving' someone of their grinding routine.

I do like PK'ing even if it's higher level versus lower level(s) on the flipside I do enjoy being ganked once in a while, even corpse camped. It's not even an annoyance. Especially in games like World of Warcraft where the only penalty is a corpserun.

The whole genre would be a boring grindfest without world PvP and general PK goodiness for folks like me. And I am definetly not alone in my likeing to ganking and being ganked.

I can't understand what any of you are saying. Seriously.franklinBluth

sry for bad english :S i have to studie more :/