Planescape: Torment is a bore.

wow these forums are retarded

I think it is an amazing game, one of the best of all time. Gamespot agrees. It is in my top 5 rpgs.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"][QUOTE="m25105"] Please don't compare books with video games.m25105

Nevertheless, PS:T is as good or better than many of the books I read. Also, because a lot of the conversations and descriptions are text based your imagination is in use constantly. The top down persepective also leaves some room for interpretation, as it were.

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Why not?KleptoZ

Nevertheless, PS:T is as good or better than many of the books I read. Also, because a lot of the conversations and descriptions are text based your imagination is in use constantly. The top down persepective also leaves some room for interpretation, as it were.

Planescape Torment is one of the most overrated games ever. You can hardly call it a game anyway. The core of any game, the gameplay, is seriously lacking in PST. In fact it is an interactive novel, not a game. If you bake a cake, you got to have the basics right. Putting delicious icing on a **** cake does not make the cake great. No, it stays a **** cake. Beside the icing in PST is not so good either.

I played it a couple of years back because it was heralded to have one of the greatest stories ever. (heralded by a hardcore group of pseudo-intellectuals I guess) Anyway after having seen the first opening scene, you can already come to the conclusion that the Nameless One had done something horrible in the past. Anti-climatic. You will find out what exactlylater in the game. I thought it was very cliché to have a protagonist who lost all its memories and was set on a journey to retrieve those. In the end I finally get to know what I already suspected. Story is overrated as hell. But then again I am not easily impressed.

The game was actually created as some sort of anti-rpg where they wanted to criticise general cliché aspects of the current rpg of that time. Rats being very strong monsters in groups. Protagonist who cannot die. Set equipment. An extra long fetch quest to become a mage. Wisdom and Intelligence as more important stats.I bet there is far more **** out there I cannot recall. It is a game which likes to be contrarian and I think that is the main reason why it is liked so much by the hardcore fans.Some people just like anything contrarian (which does not mean it is good). Hell you even got people who are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

The only real strong point it may have, is the so called good writing. Maybe for the americans it has "great" writing.But I did not see it. Hell it cannot even compare to literature. I mean if I want to read something, I'll take a good book, not "play" PST. It always baffles me when someone states it has excellent writing. No it has not. Maybe it got a slight edge over other games. But who cares? That isnot the central focus of a game. If you value writing over gameplay, why are you playing games in the first place? Get to a library! You might actually gain some wisdom there. Yes, there are indeed people, who told me PST changed their view on life. Come on, get real. Read some Schopenhauer or something but dont tell me that **** game had any impact whatsoever .... How low can you go?

Gameplay: 12/60

Graphics: 6/10

Music: 8/10

Story: 7/10

Replayability: 3/10

TOTAL: 36/100

Planescape Torment is one of the most overrated games ever. You can hardly call it a game anyway. The core of any game, the gameplay, is seriously lacking in PST. In fact it is an interactive novel, not a game. If you bake a cake, you got to have the basics right. Putting delicious icing on a **** cake does not make the cake great. No, it stays a **** cake. Beside the icing in PST is not so good either.

I played it a couple of years back because it was heralded to have one of the greatest stories ever. (heralded by a hardcore group of pseudo-intellectuals I guess) Anyway after having seen the first opening scene, you can already come to the conclusion that the Nameless One had done something horrible in the past. Anti-climatic. You will find out what exactlylater in the game. I thought it was very cliché to have a protagonist who lost all its memories and was set on a journey to retrieve those. In the end I finally get to know what I already suspected. Story is overrated as hell. But then again I am not easily impressed.

The game was actually created as some sort of anti-rpg where they wanted to criticise general cliché aspects of the current rpg of that time. Rats being very strong monsters in groups. Protagonist who cannot die. Set equipment. An extra long fetch quest to become a mage. Wisdom and Intelligence as more important stats.I bet there is far more **** out there I cannot recall. It is a game which likes to be contrarian and I think that is the main reason why it is liked so much by the hardcore fans.Some people just like anything contrarian (which does not mean it is good). Hell you even got people who are contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

The only real strong point it may have, is the so called good writing. Maybe for the americans it has "great" writing.But I did not see it. Hell it cannot even compare to literature. I mean if I want to read something, I'll take a good book, not "play" PST. It always baffles me when someone states it has excellent writing. No it has not. Maybe it got a slight edge over other games. But who cares? That isnot the central focus of a game. If you value writing over gameplay, why are you playing games in the first place? Get to a library! You might actually gain some wisdom there. Yes, there are indeed people, who told me PST changed their view on life. Come on, get real. Read some Schopenhauer or something but dont tell me that **** game had any impact whatsoever .... How low can you go?

Gameplay: 12/60

Graphics: 6/10

Music: 8/10

Story: 7/10

Replayability: 3/10

TOTAL: 36/100

Sentinel112

[...]Read some Schopenhauer or something but dont tell me[...]

Sentinel112

No wonder you've written such a antagonistic post.

No!Not make my thread into a books vs. video games debate. End of line.

The fact some people call it boring only tells how much consolised everyone has became. innominatus2

[QUOTE="innominatus2"]The fact some people call it boring only tells how much consolised everyone has became. TailBlood

A LONG time ago, (2000 .?. I think) people kept telling me how great the game was, so I checked it out.

Depressing and bland, with a side order of despair and hopelessness.

Yeah - "great game".

A LONG time ago, (2000 .?. I think) people kept telling me how great the game was, so I checked it out.

Depressing and bland, with a side order of despair and hopelessness.

Yeah - "great game".

[QUOTE="TailBlood"]

[QUOTE="innominatus2"]The fact some people call it boring only tells how much consolised everyone has became. bloodreaperfx

Dude don't give me that, I love games like the old Fallout, but I found games like Baldur's Gate and Planescape to be boring, just accept the fact that people can still love old school rpg games and still not like games like PS:T.m25105

Reading comprehension 101 :-/...thats exactly what i said, you might like the game, or not. Everything else was about why SOME people connect consoles with simplicity in games.

Also Fallout is a great game, but nowhere near as difficult as BG 2. Played and finished both btw. Its your own matter if you find something boring. The accepted oppinion is that both games are awsome. Maybe all that text bores you (talking about PS:T here).

[QUOTE="innominatus2"]The fact some people call it boring only tells how much consolised everyone has became. TailBlood

No consoles are just prime example of what is happening to gamers as whole. Look at the aventure games - they were money making machines around mid 90s and now they have all but dissapeared from AAA league. Grim Fandango whas the last one if IIRC an it was a lose for the creators.

Same for RPG. all rpg need to have thrice acursed "action-" in front of it. Also every single one must have voice actors for all chaaracters. In result the classic rpg were far richer than the current ones. In fallout 2 each city was dozens of inhabittans most of whom had something interesting to say, even, if they werent qiving you a quest, nor where solution to the quest, nor were traiders. In Fallout 3 all dialogs are short and to the point, and there are few people you can actually talk - none of witch goes into long, colourfull and detailed speaches. Also, there was far more side-quests.

In classic RPG there was a category of NPC that was not doing anythig really useful, but had something interesting to tell, or your character had something interesting to tell them. PL:T had a particulary big abudance of this kind of people - prime example was a women at brothel (sp?) with whom you could swap stories - each one beatifull and wise, none actually usefull.

I can absolutely agree not everyone has to love Planescape. I still think its the best rPG I have played (there is a great deal of RPGs i havent played). I also think there is a lot more to do there than in modern RPG (say fallout 3), even if "do" is sometimes listen to a buetifull fairytale.

No consoles are just prime example of what is happening to gamers as whole. Look at the aventure games - they were money making machines around mid 90s and now they have all but dissapeared from AAA league. Grim Fandango whas the last one if IIRC an it was a lose for the creators.

innominatus2

You must have forgotten about The Longest Journey, which is AAA quality (based on Gamespot/IGN, and Metacritic as a whole) and Syberia 1&2 also AAA; Both appeared after Grim Fandango and were very popular, than there's the recent Sam & Max episodes, albeit not AAA, but quality adventure games.

But nevertheless, you are right, adventure games were vastly more popular in the early to late 90s.

You must have forgotten about The Longest Journey.

You must have forgotten about The Longest Journey.