Pleasantly surprised MW2 Online isn't the poo everyone is making it out to be

"I also hate going through lists of servers to try and find one that doesn't have stupid admin mods with retarded sound effects.... or items/ weapons disabled."

Learn how to use server list. Its really not that hard AT ALL.

And don't march in here and call us fools just because we don't feel like paying 60$ for a game that lacks majority of multiplayer features that are a STANDARD in PC games.

No Dedicated Servers = a lot of people pissed. Thats the only reason. It is not a bad game by any means it just gets bashed for that reason alone.

me too man.. actually blew me away.. i was expecting horriblenesspzoranni

why would you even get it? that makes no sense.

i was thinking about getting MW2, and was half way there. Then i realized something... i would probably put 3 hours of my life into the game and get bored with it so I'm glad i am not getting it (unless there is a price drop, then i might maybe get it).

anyway, how does the online work? is it matchmaking? cause i like browsing for my games and i definitely like the option of having custom mods and seeing exactly how many players are playing/ can play. and if it is match making, does that mean that people cant jump right into a game or leave it without really hurting their team? cause, it was servers like these that even kept me playing modern warfare 1 (which i borrowed). i like knowing that a server will be playing deathmatch and be continuing playing deathmatch and that if its hardcore, its gonna be hardcore. and the only time it loads is after a long time and not after every match (like in lobby service). so, what kind of lobby service is it? if it's like the 360's fps lobby services, then i really have no intentions of getting the game. After all, i get COD for its multiplayer (i always have) and if i might still get it if they didnt change it to be this lobby system thing.

I should probably preface this with the fact that I hate Punkbuster. I also hate going through lists of servers to try and find one that doesn't have stupid admin mods with retarded sound effects.... or items/ weapons disabled. I also don't like taking multiple attempts to connect to servers. I don't play with clans. I don't like clans. I think the place for clans is a large gathering place where they can play on LAN. I don't need a stacked team making a slaughter fest of my team. None of what I mentioned did I ever find fun. I also haven't made regular visits to any server in any game except for games by tripwire or CS1.6 Plague27

There is your problem. If you didn't give a crap about any of those then there is no reason for you to complain about us "whining" for dedicated servers, more max players, mod supports etc. The fact is most PC gamers on this forum are hardcore gamers and loyal fans of many developers and game series such as COD, so we expect them to "live up" to their predecessors. Since every single COD game before and almost every other multiplayer PC game has dedicated servers (and all the other stuff), we expect no less for MW 2.

I see your point, because I played MW 2 at my friend's house on Xbox and it's a blast. You can't just call everyone on this forum pissy brats and whiny pricks when only a small proportion of us really bashed MW2 for no reason other than the fact that they haven't even played the game and they're just pissed at IW removing all these features

9v9 is a large group. IPlague27

Yeah it is so freaking large. 32v32 or 75v75 has nothing on 9x9.

I have low standards. This is one of the funnest games I have ever played.PlzDuntBanMe

Mediocrity is bliss I guess.

No Dedicated Servers = a lot of people pissed. Thats the only reason. It is not a bad game by any means it just gets bashed for that reason alone.

ASRCSR

well, to be fair, thats a pretty big reason.

I mean, they could have easily just said "hey, here you go, do what you want" and, 9v9 be damned, let us have dedicated servers and an SDK so we can make maps.

but for some reason (lord knows why) they decided to develop IW.net. I still dont know why...they say its for our benefit, but that is still hard for me to choke down. The pessimist is me says its their wallet determinining this, but part of me wonders...maybe theyre adventurous, maybe they want to try something new and maybe theyre just a little ahead of their time. Doubtful...but maybe, just maybe

Idunno, I am kind of over my hate for MW2...its likely a fun game, after all, just like MW1 was. I would just like to understand the logic behind IW's thinking, and I have yet to even come close to grasping it because frankly their attitude is bewildering to me.

i believe it's a good game, and the online playing works ok, but the fact that they cut out standard PC features (included in all previous CODs), and ask more money on top of that, makes me so angry that i'm not even considering to get this.

it's a*s raping the PC community. i think it's pretty intolerable from a developer that knows exactly how to make a good PC multiplayer shooter.

I won't buy a game that is arbitrarily placed $10 above most games in the market. It's not justified in my eyes.

So you think a game that equals a huge slap in the face with a steel plate glove deserves credit just because it's built on the series' previous installation with texture streaming and a few more weapons, not counting anything that has been removed but even PRAISED that some things have been removed?

Are you serious?

It's normal to charge the normal prices for things. I understand that people need to be paid. Too charge more than normal is not something that should be done and I don't feel they deserve it. No other company does it, why should they be any different?Syrenz

I wouldn't mind a price increase if it was actually worth it. For example after playing dragon age for nearly 60 hours now I would have gladly have paid 80 dollars for that game because I feel that it is worth it.

COD2MW though is unjustified in its price increase. You should never take features out and charge more for an inferior product.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIRQUOLBDw

...lol.

I absolutely agree. I was skeptical at first for the multiplayer but now that I am playing it I gotta say that there is zero lag, finding game is as fast as waiting 1 second to find other players. The only complain I have is the maximum players limit but some of the maps are suited well for it (still I wish they make some kind of patch that will increase the limit of maximum players)

My overall review is:

On paper(and for people who haven't played the game) MW2 sounds like a disappointment. Reality is that once you play it you realize there is less to nothing to be worried about it actually.

ppl just crying over nothing so they drop mw2 rating

Why not? Seriously.Plague27

I guess the government can jack up the tax rate without giving the people a proper explanation now.

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No Dedicated Servers = a lot of people pissed. Thats the only reason. It is not a bad game by any means it just gets bashed for that reason alone.

mrbojangles25

well, to be fair, thats a pretty big reason.

I mean, they could have easily just said "hey, here you go, do what you want" and, 9v9 be damned, let us have dedicated servers and an SDK so we can make maps.

but for some reason (lord knows why) they decided to develop IW.net. I still dont know why...they say its for our benefit, but that is still hard for me to choke down. The pessimist is me says its their wallet determinining this, but part of me wonders...maybe theyre adventurous, maybe they want to try something new and maybe theyre just a little ahead of their time. Doubtful...but maybe, just maybe

Idunno, I am kind of over my hate for MW2...its likely a fun game, after all, just like MW1 was. I would just like to understand the logic behind IW's thinking, and I have yet to even come close to grasping it because frankly their attitude is bewildering to me.

It is a nice feature to have and i agree they should have left it in but it should not be the only reason for someone to give this game a 1 and says it sucks because they took out dedicated servers. IW just want control over the community and they wanted PC gamers to pay for updates not have free mods. Its not really our benefit like they said. It is if they are talking about console players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIRQUOLBDw

...lol.

CheddaBumpz

OMG that is insane! And the game's not even a week old!

Re: COD4 server list - click dedicated - yes, mods - no, punkbuster - yes, sort by most players = awesome 45 player craziness.

How hard can it be?

If you want 6v6 choose a server with a lower pop cap. Why remove the choice?

a turd is still a turd, regardless of what you tell yourself, if you wanna to go with a mediocre game and spend your money, thats fine. Ill save my money for a worthy shooter instead. Dante2710

Left 4 Dead 2, a game that actually delivers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIRQUOLBDw

...lol.

CheddaBumpz

Here is another hacker video

http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/modern-warfare-2/modern-warfare-2-multiplayer-hacks-gameplay-video.html

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIRQUOLBDw

...lol.

Full_Of_Stars

Here is another hacker video

http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/modern-warfare-2/modern-warfare-2-multiplayer-hacks-gameplay-video.html

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkIRQUOLBDw

...lol.

UnknownSniper65

Here is another hacker video

http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/modern-warfare-2/modern-warfare-2-multiplayer-hacks-gameplay-video.html

[QUOTE="PlzDuntBanMe"]I have low standards. This is one of the funnest games I have ever played.PublicNuisance

Mediocrity is bliss I guess.

game lags like hell for me, i am overseas.. ty IWdarkfox101

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[QUOTE="PlzDuntBanMe"]I have low standards. This is one of the funnest games I have ever played.dakan45

Mediocrity is bliss I guess.

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Mediocrity is bliss I guess.fudgeblood

1: It is just like modern warfare 2, the only diffirence is that they are perks and you can aim down the sights (Thats what casual gamers want, a simple gunfight killfeast) Its quite similar compared to games like battlefield that have vehicles and play with alot of players.

2) ...and yet its still being played

3)...and yet many people jump in a random vanilla server to get their gaming fix without caring about clan servers. (For example i never liked playing a modded counter strike)

You guys ARE being prissy brats because uncle mike didn't put tassles in your pony's hair, even though he got you a pony in the first place.Plague27

You have failed to look deeper into the thoughts of the people that have issues with the direction the game has taken. Why are people complaining... do you even know?

9v9 is fine, but why is that the cap? There were many maps in MW1 (backlot,cargoship, and crash) that were great for smaller groups, such as 9v9,
where players can focus more on individule talent rather than a giant shoot'em
up battles. There's no reason that the whole game should be limited to 9v9 where we are going be forced into playing the same battles over and over... in MW1 it was nice to be able to join a 18 person SERVER where you could play with skilled players on a map like cargo-ship and really give yourself a challenge, then when you've had your fill change your SERVER to a 20 vs 20 on cargo-ship and have an insane fire fight. Then when you get bored of playing the stock maps it's always a nice change of pace to get on a good custom map, which can extend the life of a game indefinitely as long as it's still getting support.

Why would we want them to take away the ability to put control into OUR hands?
For the sake of keeping things easier? This is where PC gamers are getting upset. We don't want to have things be easy... owning a $800-2000 dollar gaming PC is hard work. The reason that we do it is so that we can get the added advantages of PC gaming which is personalization! As in hosting your own servers, making your own game rules, free developer content, free user content, mods, better options for controls, more games at cheaper prices, ability for bigger multiplayer, better performance and graphics. Well, IW managed to take away most of those options... It's the options that make owning such an expensive piece of hardware worth it. Other wise we just paid triple the price for a PC over a Xbox 360 for a very minor graphical difference.... I'm not okay with that are you?

You say what's the big deal for the extra $10 dollar charge... Then you tell me why it's okay for Activation to randomly charge $60 dollars for a game that's only 6 hours long and Bioware is going to charge $50 dollars for Dragon Age which is 60 hours long. It's a completely random move by Activision and it's unjust. Think about how much money they are already going to make... You said there are / will be 11 million people playing the game... That's 660 million dollars that game should pull in... How much did it take to develope the game 8 or 9 million? What's motivating all this greed and why should we be so willing to embrace it?

From what I can tell a lot of developers are treating the PC as the Xbox360, which defeats the purpose of owing a PC. Why would I pay the extra money just to get the same experience?

It's poo because of the bottom line:

They took features away and charged more for it.

And to go further, they took away the single most important and defining feature of PC online multiplayer gaming: dedicated servers. Every other nicety that comes along with playing an online game on PC stems from the existence of dedicated servers. They crippled it so they can charge for DLC. Plain and simple.

There's an interesting group of people popping up preaching the whole "It doesn't affect me so no one has a right to complain." Well guess what. A lot more people are playing this game than just you, and a lot of people were expecting a semblance of the standard that they have set themselves. Not only did they take that away, but they're charging over 10% more for it. And you wonder why people are pissed?

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[QUOTE="PlzDuntBanMe"]I have low standards. This is one of the funnest games I have ever played.dakan45

Mediocrity is bliss I guess.

CS has dedicated servers, clan support, you can kick/ban people, has no P2P crap, yeah very similar.

I don't get why MW2 fans are telling everyone to just "shut up and buy it." The people who aren't buying the game because they don't like the way IW is treating them are bold. They have the will and experience in PC gaming to know when and where the line is. They aren't buying the game because they don't want to. What, are you going to force them to? They weren't going to buy the game and they aren't, so stop trying to make them.

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Mediocrity is bliss I guess.

PublicNuisance

CS has dedicated servers, clan support, you can kick/ban people, has no P2P crap, yeah very similar.

I don't get why MW2 fans are telling everyone to just "shut up and buy it." The people who aren't buying the game because they don't like the way IW is treating them are bold. They have the will and experience in PC gaming to know when and where the line is. They aren't buying the game because they don't want to. What, are you going to force them to? They weren't going to buy the game and they aren't, so stop trying to make them.
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[QUOTE="dakan45"] FAIL, counter strike is quite similar and its the most successful MP FPS game..:roll:HOMIE_G64

CS has dedicated servers, clan support, you can kick/ban people, has no P2P crap, yeah very similar.

Ahh ok then, am gonna play battlefield 2 then, because it aslo has those things.... Ohh wait, bf2 is a total diffirent game.

Right, so games that have the same server features are the same but games similar gameplay are not the same?

Now thats worthy of a facepalm, games should be compared by gameplay in terms of similarity and not by dedicated servers and kickban options.

If thats the case all the games are the same and mw2 and OPF2 are the same game since they have the same server features and no lean!!! :lol:

Ahh ok then, am gonna play battlefield 2 then, because it aslo has those things.... Ohh wait, bf2 is a total diffirent game.

Right, so games that have the same server features are the same but games similar gameplay are not the same?

Now thats worthy of a facepalm, games should be compared by gameplay in terms of similarity and not by dedicated servers and kickban options.

If thats the case all the games are the same and mw2 and OPF2 are the same game since they have the same server features and no lean!!! :lol:

dakan45

Gameplay is just one aspect. When you have just one common feature it is hard to say they are the same game. Really the only similarities are the shooting mechanics and some of the modes. Modern warfare 2 has a perk system which CS does not. MW2 has a creat a class feature that CS does not. CS has user made maps and skins which MW2 does not. MW2 has a single player campaign which CS does not. The amount of ways they are different far outweigh the amount of ways they are similar.

Just to point out more ways they are different:

• MW2 doesn't allow mods, CS started out as a mod
• In CS you must buy your guns, in MW2 you choose your guns
• In MW2 you can unlock guns, in CS all guns begin unlocked
• CS has a maximum player limit of 32, MW2 has a limit of 18

Shall I continue ?

Shall I continue ?

PublicNuisance

No thanks this is getting random and extremely offtopic. Its funny how people say "nah ill by bad company 2 instead" or something.

Well i dont like vehicles in fps so i wont be playing any mp fps with vehicles, in any case we can might as well compare it with warrock that has all that stuff, basicly warrock is counter strike (bomb maps and no sight aiming) and a mix with cod4 (weapons and perks to unlock) with bf2 (vehicles) So if we go into very detailed comparisons such as sp and player limit , then we reach a point that the only valid comparison in terms of similarity is cod4 and mw2:lol but then we gonna start talking about the servers again...Anyway the most sucessfull mp fps are cod4 and counter strike, and not some other cooperative fps with vehicles or big maps or zombies

Did you catch my point? cod4 and mw2 are sucessfull because 90% of gamers are casual gamers that play mp fps with small maps and allot of gunfights killfest. So basiclly the "casual" and "arcadish" also "consolish" cod4.......is a more complex version of counter strike to them.

Thats why its so sucessfull, because its as simple as counter strike. TDM with real guns and some extra features called perks and ranks.