**PLEASE STICKY** GTX280+260 best reveiw!

Heres a wicked reveiw of the games from a gamers perspective NOT a number cruncher only.

found a few points interesting:Save ppl reading it all:P

Quote:In fact, the GeForce GTX 260 even allowed a higher gameplay experience than the GeForce 9800 GX2 in Crysis. We were able to increase AF to 16X with the GeForce GTX 260 and still experienced higher framerates compared to the GeForce 9800 GX2.


Quote:Both the GeForce GTX 260 and 280 are a large improvement over the GeForce 9800 GTX. A GeForce 9800 GTX is playable at 1600x1200 with most of the options at "Medium" in Crysis. The BFGTech GeForce GTX 280 OC allows us to not only raise the resolution to 1920x1200 but also enable almost everything to "High."


This part funny, makes me wonder how on earth did they make the game in first place

Quote:If we can sum up our experiences in Crysis, we can say that the GeForce GTX 280 is not the "Crysis killer," in fact Crysis is the one doing the killing


Another interesting point, the gtx260 RULES the overclocking waves it would seem...seems it the new GTS512mb:)

Quote:The GeForce GTX 260 on the other hand overclocked quite nicely. We managed to achieve a 94 MHz overclock on the core taking it from 576MHz to 670MHz. We also received a nice boost for the stream processors from 1242MHz to 1450MHz; a 208MHz increase. The memory unfortunately disappointed us on this video card compared to the GTX 280, we were able to achieve 2.4GHz over 2GHz. This yielded a memory bandwidth improvement from 111GB/sec to 134GB/sec.

and it seems..
Quote:The GeForce GTX 260, for a less expensive price, offers spectacular performance when you compare it to the last generation.



Finaly and most important i think ..
Quote:Well that is the question isn't it? We think the GeForce GTX 260 will be a popular video card; it is priced more affordably at $399 and seems to allow the same if not better gameplay experience than GeForce 9800 GTX SLI for cheaper. It also seems to us that this video card is going to be great for overclocking enthusiasts, with large performance gains and some crazy modding and overclocking to come out of it. Availability of the GeForce GTX 260 will be on June 26th.


260
Most important bits link:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUxOCwxMiwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

HAHA i can get a 260 NOW if i want to!!GTR2addict

The best GTX280/260 review?

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTUxOCwxMiwsaGVudGh1c2lhc3Q=

shadowcreaper

I don't like that site as they review cards at different settings. They have the apple to apples thing at the end but by then its too late for me to take them seriously.

The best GTX280/260 review?

My vote goes for AnandTech review, not only gives numbers, lines, opinions, it also explains in a simple way the GT200 architecture and contrast it with the G80/G92.wklzip

Yes I agree. Easy to see that 2x8800GT SLI is the better buy and much cheaper than both of those cards.

anyone seen a review where the GTX 280 (single) is up against the 8800GT SLI? Dunno if I should grab another GT and save some monney or if the 280 is worth the extra cashmachine_B

Yes anandtech and the 2x8800GT SLI kicks both of them to the kerb.

[QUOTE="machine_B"] anyone seen a review where the GTX 280 (single) is up against the 8800GT SLI? Dunno if I should grab another GT and save some monney or if the 280 is worth the extra cashteddyrob

Yes anandtech and the 2x8800GT SLI kicks both of them to the kerb.

The 260 is not better then a 9800GX2!

Im still hoping a HD 4870 > GTX 260.

I want ATI to gain some ground, and if it is indeed better then the GTX 260 expect a price drop.

Lol Hard review.
9mmSpliff

Why does everyone laugh at H, they were one of the few that got the 2900XT right, hell everyone here was saying "wait till the new driver (for months) then it will be better than the 8800GTX", well I ate that hook line and sinker and got a 2900PRO, and now regret it. It is a good card, but not what people here were claiming it would be.

From my experiences H does a better job than most, showing real world performance of a card.

HardOCP. :lol:

Please, they even awarded the GTX 280 a gold award. :lol:

The card costs $150 more and is slower than the 9800 GX2 doesn't deserve any kind of award.

So two 8800gt in sli >>> GTX 280

SO MOST DEF. Crossfired HD 4850s ($200x2)>>>> GTX 280 ($660) and will be $200 cheaper.

If you can crossfire three of them, youll still save $60. :P

Also crossfired 4870's ($250x2) > GTX 280 ($660)

9800 GTX2($440) > GTX 280 ($660)

IMO GTX 280 would be great, if priced $400 or under.

I am somewhat dissapointed with this card, its great, just too much money, anywayc cant wait to see Maxishine on youtube, sli these to run crysis.

http://en.hardspell.com/doc/showcont.asp?news_id=3560

Here this backups my theory. Two HD 4850's pwn a GTX 280.

Wow also more then 100% increase in Crossfire. 12k compared to a single HD 4850 at 5k, GTX 280 scored 7.6k.

Im still hoping a HD 4870 > GTX 260.

I want ATI to gain some ground, and if it is indeed better then the GTX 260 expect a price drop.

Jamiemydearx3

Not going to happen. However, I seriously doubt the GTX 260 will be around $100-$150 better than the HD4870.

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

Im still hoping a HD 4870 > GTX 260.

I want ATI to gain some ground, and if it is indeed better then the GTX 260 expect a price drop.

RayvinAzn

Not going to happen. However, I seriously doubt the GTX 260 will be around $100-$150 better than the HD4870.

lol well either way..im crossfiring HD 4850s or HD 4870s. Much better price performence ratio.

If what ive read and seen is true. HD 4870= 20-40% better then a 9800GTX(which is where the GTX260 is) and HD4850 being 10% better then a 9800gtx. *as shown here, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-gtx-280,1953-16.html *

Apparently nVidia hit a sweet spot with their 8 series cards. I honestly don't believe it's going to be easy for nVidia to duplicate the performance increase seen with the jump from 7 series to the 8 series.

Sometimes things need to be viewed from a different standpoint. The the gtx280 as a stand alone card itself is probably considered an "achievement" which is why it received a gold award. It is a single card which gives somewhat comparable performance to an SLI setupof 8 series cards, and the 9800gx2 which is basically the same thing, except in one slot. Price isn't taken into effect when the awards are given, apparently. It only reflects how much it costs to develop the card and bring it to the consumer. However, it is still a small step forward for nvidia, having a single card give the performance of two cards. That alone doesn't mean it should be released to the public, though.

Whatever but a single graphics card is a single card and a dual card or dual cards is not the same.Some people need to get this straight.

I am not defending anything here but people just blatantly saying that 8800GT SLI is better than this and that need to realise when you are comparing 2 cards to one card it's not just about pure performance.

9800gx2 is as smooth as a single card, $200 cheaper than GTX280 and beats it in most benchmarks.

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

[QUOTE="machine_B"] anyone seen a review where the GTX 280 (single) is up against the 8800GT SLI? Dunno if I should grab another GT and save some monney or if the 280 is worth the extra cashtratyu92

Yes anandtech and the 2x8800GT SLI kicks both of them to the kerb.

Well if you have £800 to spend on video cards, quite a bit I would think. I'm too poor to know though :(

ople dont seem to relise that the gtx280 is :::

1:BETTER THAN X2 GTX9800s, AND X2GTX 98002

As they said in reveiw the GTX280 is better than any dual card combo on the market atm. but is also the most exspencive.

someone said"The card costs $150 more and is slower than the 9800 GX2 doesn't deserve any kind of award."i dout you actualy read it sinse as proven here and in other reveiws the GTX280 is better than ALL combos atm.

BUT..and heres the important thing, is isnt a noticeable differance in gameplay when compared to GTX9800 in sli.

but then again, it upto you if you wish to compare a 2 vs 1 card racio, kinda being stupid if you are. if you want 2vs 2 racio then the GTX280 IN SLI will be more powerfull sinse the memory bandwith,.512MB not 256mb..

BASICALY::280GTX best card now around, in ALL areas, BUT is isnt all noticeable in games when compared to SLI ect.

260 is the best card here out of the two, sinse it beats most SLI combos, BUT is much cheaper and unless you playing SUPER SUPER SUPER all AA on games will do fine.

[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

[QUOTE="machine_B"] anyone seen a review where the GTX 280 (single) is up against the 8800GT SLI? Dunno if I should grab another GT and save some monney or if the 280 is worth the extra cashtratyu92

Yes anandtech and the 2x8800GT SLI kicks both of them to the kerb.

id asumethey be better since there faster cards aaltough certain cards sli better then other 9600 gt for example altough u get better fps in games that didnt sli to well

Whatever but a single graphics card is a single card and a dual card or dual cards is not the same.Some people need to get this straight.

I am not defending anything here but people just blatantly saying that 8800GT SLI is better than this and that need to realise when you are comparing 2 cards to one card it's not just about pure performance.

Spybot_9

I sure people know by know that 2x8800GT in SLI means 2 cards.

I think you have to also consider the price. 2x8800GT SLI is a lot cheaper. The GTX 280 is especially overpriced and the GTX260 is priced too high for the performance it gives. I included prices for all to see in English Money. The GTX 280 is more than double the price of a pair of 8800GT.

Also 9900GTX is also on the way.X360PS3AMD05

9900GTX? Die shrink?

The card is defiantly a powerful piece of hardware and I can give kudos to that, but as far as performance goes (and that's what consumers want) it just doesn't cut it for me. I would have to spend $1367.99 plus taxes for it to be a worth while upgrade and for $1300 that is expensive FPS. When looking at this card I can only recommend an sli setup as it's cheaper and performs on par or better. In fact I am better off buying another 9800gx2 just because the price performance raitio is better. In the end it's all about price performance ratio and this card just doesn't cut it with the current cards on the market and nvidia pushes sli, so when comparing 2 cards to one you kinda have too when most poeple can save 300+ dollars and upgrade to sli.

One thing to add too is that the card shines in the 2560x1600 and AA/Af on but i'd imagine that the amount of gamers gaming at that res is very small. So now I have to upgrade to a 30" monitor to see the performance of the card, o another $1200 WoO lol.

ople dont seem to relise that the gtx280 is :::

1:BETTER THAN X2 GTX9800s, AND X2GTX 98002

As they said in reveiw the GTX280 is better than any dual card combo on the market atm. but is also the most exspencive.

someone said"The card costs $150 more and is slower than the 9800 GX2 doesn't deserve any kind of award."i dout you actualy read it sinse as proven here and in other reveiws the GTX280 is better than ALL combos atm.

BUT..and heres the important thing, is isnt a noticeable differance in gameplay when compared to GTX9800 in sli.

but then again, it upto you if you wish to compare a 2 vs 1 card racio, kinda being stupid if you are. if you want 2vs 2 racio then the GTX280 IN SLI will be more powerfull sinse the memory bandwith,.512MB not 256mb..

BASICALY::280GTX best card now around, in ALL areas, BUT is isnt all noticeable in games when compared to SLI ect.

260 is the best card here out of the two, sinse it beats most SLI combos, BUT is much cheaper and unless you playing SUPER SUPER SUPER all AA on games will do fine.

shadowcreaper

i hvae no doubt that sli gtx280 would crush sli 8800 gt but it woud cost u 1300$ the gt would cost u only 400$ and they offer better performance the the 280gtx. and if u need better how bout sli 2 9800gx2 forlike 900$ still comes out cheaper the 1300$ for sli gtx280

the best of 'em all: Firingsquad

they compare 8800 GT sli vs gtx 260, and guess what? its a draw, the gt's win some, the 260 wins some, and no, the gt's in sli dont get to the 280 so leave that to rest

the best of 'em all: Firingsquad

they compare 8800 GT sli vs gtx 260, and guess what? its a draw, the gt's win some, the 260 wins some, and no, the gt's in sli dont get to the 280 so leave that to rest

GTR2addict

btw, according to this, tri sli GTX 280 >> EVERYTHING

shame they didnt include sli gtx 260 :(

ople dont seem to relise that the gtx280 is :::

1:BETTER THAN X2 GTX9800s, AND X2GTX 98002

As they said in reveiw the GTX280 is better than any dual card combo on the market atm. but is also the most exspencive.

someone said"The card costs $150 more and is slower than the 9800 GX2 doesn't deserve any kind of award."i dout you actualy read it sinse as proven here and in other reveiws the GTX280 is better than ALL combos atm.

BUT..and heres the important thing, is isnt a noticeable differance in gameplay when compared to GTX9800 in sli.

but then again, it upto you if you wish to compare a 2 vs 1 card racio, kinda being stupid if you are. if you want 2vs 2 racio then the GTX280 IN SLI will be more powerfull sinse the memory bandwith,.512MB not 256mb..

BASICALY::280GTX best card now around, in ALL areas, BUT is isnt all noticeable in games when compared to SLI ect.

260 is the best card here out of the two, sinse it beats most SLI combos, BUT is much cheaper and unless you playing SUPER SUPER SUPER all AA on games will do fine.

shadowcreaper

Who cares if its a single card? Thats nice, BUT if you can get better performence with two cards for cheaper.

Thats what people will care about.

the fact is as someone else said, the GT8800SLI is NOT better than gtx280, and i wonder how on earth ppl can belive it.

look at the numbers, the bandwith only 256mb!!! the 280 512mb, so even with 2 GT it still wont be able to process the imformation as fast,

also theGT8800 a differant generation, while the GTX280 a completely new gen and as such has many +++ over GT.

the fact is GTX280 a rip off no dout, but if you want to compare cards the GTX280 the best card around. but for value id personaly see the GTX260 being the better sinse will overclock upto 280 standard.

also the power racio of the new cards MASSIVELY lower than 8 type. also SADLY. GTX98002 will be taken off shelves as nvdia released. so no point trying to compare.

260 best so far. ATI turn now

[QUOTE="GTR2addict"]

the best of 'em all: Firingsquad

they compare 8800 GT sli vs gtx 260, and guess what? its a draw, the gt's win some, the 260 wins some, and no, the gt's in sli dont get to the 280 so leave that to rest

GTR2addict

yes shame, i think 260 will be a great card, sinse i been looking into it, and seems some companys have it and allready seen some nice numbers when oced under water system....sadly i cannot give details but all i can say is this.

x2 260 SLI with a beastflow waterblock or a quality one on card with a extreame overclock will get very nice...i mean VEEERY nice..and quite cheap.

btw, according to this, tri sli GTX 280 >> EVERYTHING

shame they didnt include sli gtx 260 :(

the fact is as someone else said, the GT8800SLI is NOT better than gtx280, and i wonder how on earth ppl can belive it.

look at the numbers, the bandwith only 256mb!!! the 280 512mb, so even with 2 GT it still wont be able to process the imformation as fast,

also theGT8800 a differant generation, while the GTX280 a completely new gen and as such has many +++ over GT.

the fact is GTX280 a rip off no dout, but if you want to compare cards the GTX280 the best card around. but for value id personaly see the GTX260 being the better sinse will overclock upto 280 standard.

also the power racio of the new cards MASSIVELY lower than 8 type. also SADLY. GTX98002 will be taken off shelves as nvdia released. so no point trying to compare.

260 best so far. ATI turn now

shadowcreaper

Anandtech says differently.

ople dont seem to relise that the gtx280 is :::

1:BETTER THAN X2 GTX9800s, AND X2GTX 98002

As they said in reveiw the GTX280 is better than any dual card combo on the market atm. but is also the most exspencive.

someone said"The card costs $150 more and is slower than the 9800 GX2 doesn't deserve any kind of award."i dout you actualy read it sinse as proven here and in other reveiws the GTX280 is better than ALL combos atm.

BUT..and heres the important thing, is isnt a noticeable differance in gameplay when compared to GTX9800 in sli.

but then again, it upto you if you wish to compare a 2 vs 1 card racio, kinda being stupid if you are. if you want 2vs 2 racio then the GTX280 IN SLI will be more powerfull sinse the memory bandwith,.512MB not 256mb..

BASICALY::280GTX best card now around, in ALL areas, BUT is isnt all noticeable in games when compared to SLI ect.

260 is the best card here out of the two, sinse it beats most SLI combos, BUT is much cheaper and unless you playing SUPER SUPER SUPER all AA on games will do fine.

shadowcreaper

...Wow you completely slaughtered the English language

LOL what the? Almost every review ive seen a two 8800gt in sli out class a GTX 280.

Stop being a blind fanboy shesh, Nvidia is be a snob by over pricing this pos.

It seems that Nvidia has buried itself with its 8 series of cards, specifically the 8800 GT. I don't think that there is any way that they will ever be able to top the sucess of that card...I just do no think that it is possible. The entire 9000 series was basically a joke and has not sold very well at all so far, and this new 200 series is looking questionable to say the least. The GTX 280, while being an extremely impressive and powerful card, is basically a blatant rip-off to consumers. The GTX 260 on the other hand is looking alright, but at $400? That is what the ATI Radeon 4870X2 is going to be priced at...the 4870X2!!!

I think Nvidia knows that the 8800 GT is going to continue to sell, especially as they can drop the prices, and they are probably going to be putting a lot more focus on the 9600 and 9800GX. I think that they are just trying to clown people into buying these cards because they are technically the "best" cards on the market...which I am sure they will. I am in the Nvidia PartnerForce program and we are having a webinar tommorow about these new cards, and I already can tell you that they are getting rid of the 9800GX2, and possibly stopping production of the 8600GT and GTS. Expect to see 9600, 8800, and 9800 price drops by mid July.

But all of this aside, this is the PERFECT oppurtunity for ATI. Their entire 4000 line up looks great in the price/performance area, especially the 4850. The $400 4870X2 is going to give greater performance than the 3870X2 for nearly the same price, and probably get better performance, or at least close to, the GTX260. I don't know, ATI might be back on top people.

Either way, this is a good time to buy PC hardware.