POLL:: Which 'RPG' would you prefer to get?

Later this year, almost being released on the same day, are three PC games with varying amount of 'RPG' features. For argument's sake, I am going to proportionalize them iin terms that you may disagree with, but the argument still stays true that these three games have varying amount of RPG elements.

So what are you looking for when it comes to RPG elements in your PC games, total open world stat driven 'real' RPG's, lighter Action-RPG's with stats hidden or automatic, or very light RPG elements as in an RPS, where the bulk of any stats are in weapons rather than your avatar and the game is pretty much all action?

So what sort of RPG'ing do you prefer for your PC gaming?

The Poll question then:

Assuming these three games all appeared in your local retailer the same day, and you only had the cash to buy one, which of these would you buy?

Please comment on the reasons for your vote and your feelings on rolplaying in PC games today. I'd like to see a discussion about how PCRPG's have changed and where they may be goingin the future. Maybe tell us your favourite PC Computer Role Playing game (CRPG), or where you think PC roleplaying games might be in 2-3 years.

Maybe I am reaching, but i'd prefer a serious debate, which might be more useful than everyone flaming each other within 4 posts!! :)

So Wigan_Gamer, it sounds like you actually are an FPS gamer and therefore prefer Borderlands as it is the closest to an FPS and it wouldn't bother you if it was totally an FPS?

I am of the opinion that the vast bulk of purchasers of Borderlands will be FPS fans,who will put up with the small amount of roleplaying elements, rather than roleplayers putting up with the FPS elements! :)

Since im buying both..Ill have to go with dragon age...Even though im looking foward to borderlands as well..Been following both for a very long time..Chose dragon age because im a huge dnd fan..Ive been my whole life...Thats 40 years of role playing )..Ya fellas im a old man now lol..

So Wigan_Gamer, it sounds like you actually are an FPS gamer and therefore prefer Borderlands as it is the closest to an FPS and it wouldn't bother you if it was totally an FPS?

I am of the opinion that the vast bulk of purchasers of Borderlands will be FPS fans,who will put up with the small amount of roleplaying elements, rather than roleplayers putting up with the FPS elements! :)

well, i didnt like mass effect alpha protocl looks alot like it, dragon age doesnt really reveal much and it requires a quad core system so screw dragon age and borderlands was not supose to be an rpg, or a coop game or art style to begin with, so propably i wont buy any but perhaps the closest choice for me is borderlands.dakan45

While I hope Alpha will be good, I would flip a coin between Dragon Age and Borderlands

[QUOTE="dakan45"]well, i didnt like mass effect alpha protocl looks alot like it, dragon age doesnt really reveal much and it requires a quad core system so screw dragon age and borderlands was not supose to be an rpg, or a coop game or art style to begin with, so propably i wont buy any but perhaps the closest choice for me is borderlands.kieranb2000

I don't think that poll's fairly accurate, since Alpha Protocol is bound to have more role-playing options than Dragon Age 1.

Meh, anyway, I'm definitely looking forward to Alpha Protocol the most out of those, and I'll probably buy Dragon Age eventually (even if it doesn't look great). Borderlands also looks great, but I'll wait for reviews on that one.

think rpg elements are great additions to otherwise genre's .. Deus Ex was an excellent RPG Hybrid that gave me my first experience of what a role playing shooter could be.

i'm looking forward to Borderlands than in this regard. Can't wait .. feel most confident I will enjoy quite immensely. :D

bad vote options;

borderlands shouldn't be there since it's basically a FPS; if there's such thing as roleplaying shooter, that would be CRPG: VtMB and Action RPG: Hellgate London.

how is DA:O "CRPG"? it's multiplatformer from the get go, and how is Alpha Protocol would be more Action RPG, like some sort of less Classical roleplaying?

anyway, my vote goes to Alpha Protocol since from KotoR 1 & 2, Obsidian (NWN2->MotB) has been a better RPG developer than Bioware (Jade Empire->Mass Effect).

however, I don't really anticipate any of these multiplaformers, what I really really want now is the English version of King's Bounty: Armored Princess.

bad vote options;

borderlands shouldn't be there since it's basically a FPS; if there's such thing as roleplaying shooter, that would be CRPG: VtMB and Action RPG: Hellgate London.

how is DA:O "CRPG"? it's multiplatformer from the get go, and how is Alpha Protocol would be more Action RPG, like some sort of less Classical roleplaying?

anyway, my vote goes to Alpha Protocol since from KotoR 1 & 2, Obsidian (NWN2->MotB) has been a better RPG developer than Bioware (Jade Empire->Mass Effect).

however, I don't really anticipate any of these multiplaformers, what I really really want now is the English version of King's Bounty: Armored Princess.

teardropmina

[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="dakan45"]well, i didnt like mass effect alpha protocl looks alot like it, dragon age doesnt really reveal much and it requires a quad core system so screw dragon age and borderlands was not supose to be an rpg, or a coop game or art style to begin with, so propably i wont buy any but perhaps the closest choice for me is borderlands.dakan45

bad vote options;

borderlands shouldn't be there since it's basically a FPS; if there's such thing as roleplaying shooter, that would be CRPG: VtMB and Action RPG: Hellgate London.

how is DA:O "CRPG"? it's multiplatformer from the get go, and how is Alpha Protocol would be more Action RPG, like some sort of less Classical roleplaying?

anyway, my vote goes to Alpha Protocol since from KotoR 1 & 2, Obsidian (NWN2->MotB) has been a better RPG developer than Bioware (Jade Empire->Mass Effect).

however, I don't really anticipate any of these multiplaformers, what I really really want now is the English version of King's Bounty: Armored Princess.

teardropmina

bioware did kotor 1, not obsidian. also, wasn't dragon age going to be pc only, then they decided to port it to consoles?

[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

anyway, my vote goes to Alpha Protocol since from KotoR 1 & 2, Obsidian (NWN2->MotB) has been a better RPG developer than Bioware (Jade Empire->Mass Effect).

jon2jon

bioware did kotor 1, not obsidian. also, wasn't dragon age going to be pc only, then they decided to port it to consoles?

well, read me right: KotOR=Bioware + KotOR2=Obsidian, and since then between the two Obsidian has the upperhand in making RPGs.

for the PC exclusive thing -- you haven't followed Bioware's PR very closely it seems, the "progress" is like this: PC exclusive --> will release follow-ups (after "Origin") on console --> will be ported to 360 --> a multiplaformer to begin with.

lol I don't see how anyone could say Obsidian > Bioware, considering Obsidian is literally Bioware's b****, making them do sequels while they explore other IPs.

However, out of these three I'd say Dragon Age, with a tie for 2nd between AP and Borderlands. I'll surely play all three, but I'm wondering why Mass Effect 2 isn't on the list....

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[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

anyway, my vote goes to Alpha Protocol since from KotoR 1 & 2, Obsidian (NWN2->MotB) has been a better RPG developer than Bioware (Jade Empire->Mass Effect).

teardropmina

bioware did kotor 1, not obsidian. also, wasn't dragon age going to be pc only, then they decided to port it to consoles?

well, read me right: KotOR=Bioware + KotOR2=Obsidian, and since then between the two Obsidian has the upperhand in making RPGs.

for the PC exclusive thing -- you haven't followed Bioware's PR very closely it seems, the "progress" is like this: PC exclusive --> will release follow-ups (after "Origin") on console --> will be ported to 360 --> a multiplaformer to begin with.

I'd pick Alpha Protocol.

Just like a lot of other people here, I think it's a close vote between Dragon Age and Borderlands. I'll be getting both. ;)

Borderlands. come on! 84 quadzilion guns! that is an easy choice... I really enjoy looking at it (the art style) and I would love to explore the game + it looks humoristic.it really sounds like a more FPS'ish Fallout 3...

so in 4 words : badasss* here I come!

*Badass is the Borderlands name for an Elite kind of foe.

But when talking about RPGs I cant stop thinking about Guild Wars 2... I hope it will come on this year even though I think the chances are low...

I can't wait for Alpha Protocol, but I am probably also going to get Dragon Age as well.

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[QUOTE="jon2jon"]

bioware did kotor 1, not obsidian. also, wasn't dragon age going to be pc only, then they decided to port it to consoles?

kieranb2000

well, read me right: KotOR=Bioware + KotOR2=Obsidian, and since then between the two Obsidian has the upperhand in making RPGs.

for the PC exclusive thing -- you haven't followed Bioware's PR very closely it seems, the "progress" is like this: PC exclusive --> will release follow-ups (after "Origin") on console --> will be ported to 360 --> a multiplaformer to begin with.

well, we have threads for discussing which KotOR is better and it has nothing to do with my point which is about the two developers after those two games.

also, "truth" has various accounts but "fact" is one and only. the fact is that DA:O will be released on PC and 360 at the same day = it's a multiplaformer.

furthermore, after this many PR smoke screens from Bioware, I don't really trust them and believe fully in their "accounts" anymore. from PC exclusive to multiplaform at lanuch...now that's a huge difference. Even if they started out attempting at making a PC exclusive game, but now the fact (multiplaform release) indicates that the game MUST be designed for both PC and xbox for at least some time now. they don't even need to take time to "port" or tweak the game for xbox, unlike the PS3 version.

of course this may also be a part of their PR scheme: holding off PC release and when xbox verison is ready, they make a huge two-plaform release. who knows?

think back, Bioware has been doing this kind of garbage PR since Mass Effect = how strongly were they to insist upon the "truth" that ME was xbox exclusive and would never be released on PC? making tons of Bioware fans beg for a PC version or calling them betrayers. then what happened?

anyway, with PC and Xbox versions to be released at the same date, I doubt how "through and through" a PC game DA:O can be.

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[QUOTE="jon2jon"]

bioware did kotor 1, not obsidian. also, wasn't dragon age going to be pc only, then they decided to port it to consoles?

kieranb2000

well, read me right: KotOR=Bioware + KotOR2=Obsidian, and since then between the two Obsidian has the upperhand in making RPGs.

for the PC exclusive thing -- you haven't followed Bioware's PR very closely it seems, the "progress" is like this: PC exclusive --> will release follow-ups (after "Origin") on console --> will be ported to 360 --> a multiplaformer to begin with.

Honestly, I thought KOTOR II was far beyond the first one, better story (except for the end cinematic, but what she says is basically the end), better characters, a much darker experience, and many gameplay improvements, and yes I will agree it was buggy, but in my experience I only encountered minor bugs. And Neverwinter Nights 2 is also much better than the first one because of its story, which again was better, and I actually cared about what was happening, and wanted to do what they were telling me to do, instead of in Neverwinter Nights, it was about money or glory.

While Obsidian has made buggier games, they're story, and characters have made them a great RPG developer.

I prefer cRPGs over any other RPG subgenre, so Dragon Age for me.

Borderlands

For readers:

I chose the three titles I did because they are all due at about the same time in Oct/Nov, so that was a good reason for the three. Then, they are good examples of the three tyopes of CRPGs we get: 'real' RPG's, action/hack'n'slash RPG's and shooters with slight RPG elements. For example: Morrowind, Diablo and STALKER would cover the three typrs of RPG's we have with Dragon Age, Alpha Protocol and Boderlands.

I did say that people would disagree with my labelling, but that's the problem with a poll - you have to label!

I also asked people to really read the question and put the games in order, choosing the No.1 choice. It wan't amatter of saying, likein most posts, 'what do you like best'. this poll is about what style of roleplaying do you prefer. There won;t be a 'winner' per sae. Just an indiciation of what 'type' of roleplaying PC gamer's want.

That's what I was trying to do anyway!

As to the KOTOR argument: Should have gone to the KOTOR thread! :)

For me, I am an old fashioned CRPG'er, so while not perfect, Dragon Age would be my first choice. Alpah protocol has been described by it's developer's as a '25 hour RPG'. Well, to me, thats an oximoron! A 25 hour game, by it's very nature, cannot be a CRPG in my books! As to Borderlands, the wholemarketing and reporting on it has been, to me, aimed at teenage console gamers, (I am about 25 years too old to be a teenage anything!) so I fully expect it to be much more shooter and much less roleplayer than the publisher have been letting on about.

Dragon Age for me as it's my favourite RPG style and as it's a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate which i loved so yeah dragon age all the way

Well, we have reached 80 votes and Dragon Age has over half of the votes. So it would seem PC gamers, when it comes to roleplaying, want 'real 'RPG's, rather than action or shooter 'RPG's'.

I hope software publishers see this thread, because I think we will get more Borderlands and Alpha Protocol type 'RPG's' in the future and we will see fewer 'real' RPG's like Dragon Age.

dragon age, no contest (im sure Humorguy_basic already knows how much im looking forward to it)...i much prefer games were i feel that what im doing is actually making a difference to the world im in, and i also much prefer rpg's to be set in the distant past with swords, shields and mother f**king dragons...although i did really enjoy mass effect, and ME2 is going to be a first day buy for me. . but on to the other games, borderlands doesn't really appeal to me that much, i prefer my FPS games to be purely FPS, and not just have a leveling system and an open world and be called an RPG, which is why i wasn't that much of a fan of fallout 3. and finally onto alpha protocol, which does look quite interesting and could find its way into my games collection in the future, but i may have to wait till after dragon age to get any other games, its likely to take up about 90 hours of my time on one playthrough

Well, as i said before, this poll show the vast majority (of voters) want their RPG's to be real RPG's. But we are going to get more action-adventures like Mass Effect and Alpha Protocol.so Iam not looking forward to the future of gaming for true computer roleplayers(CRPG'ers)....

Well, as i said before, this poll show the vast majority (of voters) want their RPG's to be real RPG's. But we are going to get more action-adventures like Mass Effect and Alpha Protocol.so Iam not looking forward to the future of gaming for true computer roleplayers(CRPG'ers)....

Humorguy_basic

Got to go with Dragon Age.

RPGs like it are open-ended, whereas FPS games are linear and restrictive in nature.

Still thinking about Borderlands, though. I wish they would create an open-ended FPS.

Dragon Age is my choise, love good ol' fashioned cRPGs with swords and crap, though I doubt it will be as deep in that regard as lets say NWNs, Baldurs Gates etc. still looks like the closest thing for now.

I do like action-RPGs as well, but don't really care for shooters with RPG elements, and yes there is a difference...somewhere. Still I'm interested in Borderlands too, it looks very cool, but I can almost bet that I'll never finish it.

Alpha Protocol's theme isn't much to my liking, and dunno much about its gameplay, but since it's Obsidian I have high hopes.

Well, I will wait and see on all these games and read the reviews and player feedback. But in order of interest, as of today: Dragon Age, Borderlands, Alpha Protocol.

Dragon Age I think will be at least a solid RPG, Bioware obviously has a good reputation, but they've been going down hill since KOTOR.

Borderlands looks like it could be great but again there are too many variables to tell if it will be any good. Really hope their is a demo.

Alpha Protocol is by one of the few studios still making real RPGs (Obsidian) but the subject matter (spy theme) doesn't interest me. But just given the fact that it is Obsidian it might be worth checking out.

I'm looking forward to Borderlands because it looks like the first modern RPG to have good shooting mechanics. The most recent entries (Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and to some extent Bioshock) have had shooting that has ranged from mediocre to god-awful. That and the graphics look great. Whether or not the game has armour in it will be a real maker or break moment for me though. I really dislike the idea of playing online and everyone looking identical, with the exception of your gun. o.o'kieranb2000

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Well, as i said before, this poll show the vast majority (of voters) want their RPG's to be real RPG's. But we are going to get more action-adventures like Mass Effect and Alpha Protocol.so Iam not looking forward to the future of gaming for true computer roleplayers(CRPG'ers)....

naval