POLL:: Which 'RPG' would you prefer to get?

[QUOTE="kieranb2000"]I'm looking forward to Borderlands because it looks like the first modern RPG to have good shooting mechanics. The most recent entries (Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and to some extent Bioshock) have had shooting that has ranged from mediocre to god-awful. That and the graphics look great. Whether or not the game has armour in it will be a real maker or break moment for me though. I really dislike the idea of playing online and everyone looking identical, with the exception of your gun. o.o'Gooeykat

Good points, ME I think has been the best in terms of shooting, followed closely by Bioshock. Fallout 3 was just aweful.

But of course ME and Bioshock, unlike Fallout 3, were not RPG's! ME was an action adventure (linear ACTION quests and Conversation ADVENTURE system) and Bioshock was a shooter, yes he could jack drugs, but that gave weapons. In both games i don't remember a working stealth or diplomacy system in either.

Fallout 3, just because it's sci-fi, I believe, gets lumped in with shooters and action adventures, and yet by any standards, it is a true RPG. The SPECIAL system along with all the other skills and traits make it a bona fide RPG! I think it's because publishers and media try and make every game have every genre, so Mass Effect is called an RPG and yet it has 80% less roleplaying than an Oblivion or Fallout 3 and shooters like Bioshock get called Action-RPG's (whatever that is!), when there is no roleplaying in it at all, to speak of, and gamers get confused.

Ask any new gamer which of the above we're full-on RPG's and they'd choose all of them! I have seen Gamespot posters say of STALKER 'it must be an RPG, you have an inventory!' - and of Far Cry 2, 'it must be an RPG because it has a sandbox game!'

I chose the three titles I did for this poll because I thought many would think they were all RPG's and yet they are all different percentages of roleplaying, from 90% to 20% and by seeing the choice, for once, we wouldn't end up with what game we thought was the best, but just the type of roleplaying gamers want.

With nearly 100 votes and Dragon Age currently with 55% of the votes, I think the jury is in as to roleplaying gamers preference, and that's to have real RPG's first and foremost.

[QUOTE="Gooeykat"][QUOTE="kieranb2000"]I'm looking forward to Borderlands because it looks like the first modern RPG to have good shooting mechanics. The most recent entries (Mass Effect, Fallout 3 and to some extent Bioshock) have had shooting that has ranged from mediocre to god-awful. That and the graphics look great. Whether or not the game has armour in it will be a real maker or break moment for me though. I really dislike the idea of playing online and everyone looking identical, with the exception of your gun. o.o'Humorguy_basic

Good points, ME I think has been the best in terms of shooting, followed closely by Bioshock. Fallout 3 was just aweful.

But of course ME and Bioshock, unlike Fallout 3, were not RPG's! ME was an action adventure (linear ACTION quests and Conversation ADVENTURE system) and Bioshock was a shooter, yes he could jack drugs, but that gave weapons. In both games i don't remember a working stealth or diplomacy system in either.

Fallout 3, just because it's sci-fi, I believe, gets lumped in with shooters and action adventures, and yet by any standards, it is a true RPG. The SPECIAL system along with all the other skills and traits make it a bona fide RPG! I think it's because publishers and media try and make every game have every genre, so Mass Effect is called an RPG and yet it has 80% less roleplaying than an Oblivion or Fallout 3 and shooters like Bioshock get called Action-RPG's (whatever that is!), when there is no roleplaying in it at all, to speak of, and gamers get confused.

Ask any new gamer which of the above we're full-on RPG's and they'd choose all of them! I have seen Gamespot posters say of STALKER 'it must be an RPG, you have an inventory!' - and of Far Cry 2, 'it must be an RPG because it has a sandbox game!'

I chose the three titles I did for this poll because I thought many would think they were all RPG's and yet they are all different percentages of roleplaying, from 90% to 20% and by seeing the choice, for once, we wouldn't end up with what game we thought was the best, but just the type of roleplaying gamers want.

With nearly 100 votes and Dragon Age currently with 55% of the votes, I think the jury is in as to roleplaying gamers preference, and that's to have real RPG's first and foremost.

ME is most certainly an RPG (action RPG). There are character stats, inventory and all the other usual RPG conventions but that is not what makes it an role playing game. The most important thing in an RPG is player freedom of choice, in terms of what kind of character you want to play (good, bad, indifferent, stubborn, diplomatic, aggressive) and in terms of different options on how to handle different situations. It is most definitely a RPG with the best shooting mechanics out of the three we are talking about. It falls short in other areas, examples: too linear, boring sidequests, explorable planets that are pretty much empty. This is where Fallout 3 is better than ME. Both are good RPGs but each has different strengths and weaknesses. Bioshock is more of a shooter with lite RPG elements tacked on.

Also I disagree with your conclusion of this poll, maybe it just means there are more Bioware fans, than there are Gearbox or Obsidian fans.

But of course ME and Bioshock, unlike Fallout 3, were not RPG's! ME was an action adventure (linear ACTION quests and Conversation ADVENTURE system)...

Humorguy_basic

so ME isn't a RPG, but an action-adventure game with leveling-up feature implemented. then I'd say ME is quite a decent game instead of my original opinion that it's a very mediocre RPG.

[QUOTE="Humorguy_basic"]

But of course ME and Bioshock, unlike Fallout 3, were not RPG's! ME was an action adventure (linear ACTION quests and Conversation ADVENTURE system)...

teardropmina

so ME isn't a RPG, but an action-adventure game with leveling-up feature implemented. then I'd say ME is quite a decent game instead of my original opinion that it's a very mediocre RPG.

[QUOTE="teardropmina"]

[QUOTE="Humorguy_basic"]

But of course ME and Bioshock, unlike Fallout 3, were not RPG's! ME was an action adventure (linear ACTION quests and Conversation ADVENTURE system)...

Humorguy_basic

so ME isn't a RPG, but an action-adventure game with leveling-up feature implemented. then I'd say ME is quite a decent game instead of my original opinion that it's a very mediocre RPG.

I find polls more to be about popularity rather than anything else. Now if you left it generic and didn't mention those specific games and just talked about gaming genres maybe you'd have a point. Regarding ME being linear, so what, it doesn't make it any less of an RPG. RPG stands for role-playing game, key words role-play, it's not about non linear quests or open world. And as I stated ealier there is plenty of RP in ME, as much as F3. As far as conversation options, there is usualy three or more types of ways to handle different encounters. Your opinion has been noted, my opinion is that it is closer to Fallout 3, minus the open world, but with better shooting gameplay.

Gooeykat

As I agree with you, I have to point out that RPG's have evolved a lot, even if they are RPG/Shooters, RPG/Action, RPG/Sci Fi, they are still RPG as Gooeykat mentioned, you play a character that has a role and as you play it more to your liking, you define your role even more in that game.

But I believe that the main debate here (Aside from the poll!) is that pure RPG players only see fantasy games are RPG's, this is false, as long as you can fit a role, customize yourself in any and all ways you want, be it with armor and weapons or skills, have different options to take in quests and/or actions that change the game's perspective towards you, and have deep story telling to immerse the player into the game, then the game can be qualified as a pure RPG. So if ME, F3 or any future game that's coming out can bring all those criteria into a game and do it successfuly, then they should be catalogued as pure RPG, even if they don't have swords and magic.

Also, with the developers themselves admitting it's a 25 hour game, it can hardly be open world and must be pretty much script or corridor driven, otherwise surely it would be more than a 25 hour game? granted, that's more than a Dead Space or Bioshock, but not by much! Humorguy_basic

But I believe that the main debate here (Aside from the poll!) is that pure RPG players only see fantasy games are RPG's, this is false...

pmor

yes, it's false, and I don't see how it can even be a debatable issue. Original Fallouts have been widely considered as among the best of CRPGs...fantasy setting isn't a prequisite for RPG.

also, open-world, free roaming, non-linar or whatever you want to call it, it's not a requisite of any genre whatsoever...

All i'll say is if anyone compares ME with Fallout 3 as an RPG,they just haven't been playing RPG's very long! ME doesn't even even have even RPG to cope with the FAllout 3 SPECIAL system:

* Strength
* Perception
* Endurance
* Charisma
* Intelligence
* Agility
* Luck

But then, when you add just some of the skills, tell me how ME even stands up to FO3's RPG ankles!!!

Barter
Big Guns
Energy Weapons
Explosives

Replacing Traps

Throwings
Lockpick
Medicine

Doctor

First Aid
Melee Weapons
Repair
Science
Small Guns
Sneak
Speech
Unarmed

I find it amazing that gamers can seriously say ME is as much an RPG as FO3! The 'stats' speak for themselves!

I am intrested in both Dragon age and Borderlands. But, If I had to choose one, Dragon Age.

All i'll say is if anyone compares ME with Fallout 3 as an RPG,they just haven't been playing RPG's very long! ME doesn't even even have even RPG to cope with the FAllout 3 SPECIAL system:

* Strength
* Perception
* Endurance
* Charisma
* Intelligence
* Agility
* Luck

But then, when you add just some of the skills, tell me how ME even stands up to FO3's RPG ankles!!!

Barter
Big Guns
Energy Weapons
Explosives

Replacing Traps

Throwings
Lockpick
Medicine

Doctor

First Aid
Melee Weapons
Repair
Science
Small Guns
Sneak
Speech
Unarmed

I find it amazing that gamers can seriously say ME is as much an RPG as FO3! The 'stats' speak for themselves!

Humorguy_basic

Been playing RPGs since the early days of C64 and I stand by my statements.

All i'll say is if anyone compares ME with Fallout 3 as an RPG,they just haven't been playing RPG's very long! ME doesn't even even have even RPG to cope with the FAllout 3 SPECIAL system:

* Strength
* Perception
* Endurance
* Charisma
* Intelligence
* Agility
* Luck

But then, when you add just some of the skills, tell me how ME even stands up to FO3's RPG ankles!!!

Barter
Big Guns
Energy Weapons
Explosives

Replacing Traps

Throwings
Lockpick
Medicine

Doctor

First Aid
Melee Weapons
Repair
Science
Small Guns
Sneak
Speech
Unarmed

I find it amazing that gamers can seriously say ME is as much an RPG as FO3! The 'stats' speak for themselves!

Humorguy_basic

stats alone dont make a game...fallout 3 is boring as all hell.

anywho i'd choose dragon age, it looks amazing and every single bioware game i have played is in my top 10 list of games. i waited out mass effect and paid 20 bucks, after that experiance i have no problem paying them 50 bucks a game on release day.

Am I the only one that thinks that Dragon Age is a bit corny and takes itself too seriously?

For example the Tock, Paper, Shotgun Preview:

Our hero - one of the Grey Wardens, the group to which players will belong in an effort to fight back against the Blight, and the evil Arch Demon bringing it about - has a present for a lady, Morrigan. It's a magical book that she has been looking for. She's going to be very pleased to receive it. Once it's dragged from our inventory to hers, she responds with some of the most excruciatingly dreadful flirtation I've ever seen. The acting is very weak, my face screwed up as I wrote the word "AWFUL" on my pad in the dark. She's dressed as you might imagine a girl would appear on the cover of a 1980s D&D book, wearing what appear to be a couple of straps of material, most of her breasts hanging out. We can respond to her elephantine attempts at flirting by suggesting we're open to her ideas. Once we've ambiguously agreed to her advances a couple of times, it cuts to a glimpse of an awkward sex scene that saw everyone in the room burst out laughing. Possibly not the desired reaction.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/06/10/rps-at-e3-dragon-age-origins/#more-12708

Am I the only one that thinks that Dragon Age is a bit corny and takes itself too seriously?

For example the Tock, Paper, Shotgun Preview:

Our hero - one of the Grey Wardens, the group to which players will belong in an effort to fight back against the Blight, and the evil Arch Demon bringing it about - has a present for a lady, Morrigan. It's a magical book that she has been looking for. She's going to be very pleased to receive it. Once it's dragged from our inventory to hers, she responds with some of the most excruciatingly dreadful flirtation I've ever seen. The acting is very weak, my face screwed up as I wrote the word "AWFUL" on my pad in the dark. She's dressed as you might imagine a girl would appear on the cover of a 1980s D&D book, wearing what appear to be a couple of straps of material, most of her breasts hanging out. We can respond to her elephantine attempts at flirting by suggesting we're open to her ideas. Once we've ambiguously agreed to her advances a couple of times, it cuts to a glimpse of an awkward sex scene that saw everyone in the room burst out laughing. Possibly not the desired reaction.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2009/06/10/rps-at-e3-dragon-age-origins/#more-12708

Nikalai_88

I am still looking forward to Dragon Age, but I agree. They are going a little overboard with their mature themes. I have not seen any good videos of that since they first announced it, since the "Violence" trailer it has all gone downhill. Too much sex, too much blood. I love dark fantasy, and The Witcher is my favorite game ever, but that did not emphasise the blood or sex, it was just part of your many choices. And yes it is obvious that Dragon will have choices such as that, but could they maybe show a little about your consequences, or more about the roleplaying elements, or at least someting about the story.