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#1 pDbOy_26
Member since 2006 • 619 Posts

Hey guys quick question for you all. Ever since all the new updates for the valve games such as counter strike or Team Fortress 2, my performance has dipped way down, alot of the time especially in Counter Strike Source the game is very jumpy. Is anyone else having this problem???

I may not have the most powerfull laptop in the world, but i was able to play these games great before all of the new updates.

My specs:

2.5 Ghz intel core 2 duo

4 GB 667 MHzDDR2 SDRAM

GeForce 8600M GT.

I know its just valve games because i recently started playing the Starcraft 2 Beta and it runs great on my laptop.

Whats the deal guys??? What am i doing wrong?

Thanks.

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#2 DanielDust
Member since 2007 • 15402 Posts

Yep quite a lot of people have problems with Source games after the small engine updates.

Let's just say that I went down from 16x AA and AF (which should be extremely demanding) to no AA and triple buffering (which shouldn't be demanding at all), from 1680x1050 to 1440x900 and I still don't get the same frame rate I used to get before that "particle" update or w/e (TF 2, when I installed CS:S after the update I was so disgusted by the performance of that low requirement game I immediately deleted it), and they failed hard. It's the same with Alien Swarm, it's like AA and AF is a disease to the source engine now.

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#3 pDbOy_26
Member since 2006 • 619 Posts

Is there any way to fix it, or is valve trying to fix the problem?

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#4 DanielDust
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No idea, I never heard something official from them, as for a fix, no idea, I tried everything but nothing worked. I don't have a monster of a PC, but I refuse to believe that all source games suddenly got 3-4 times more demanding after a small engine update.
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#5 Duke_51
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I haven't played Counter Strike in a while, but ever since I installed Windows 7, TF2 just stutters and dips all over the place; my average FPS in that game is maybe 15-20. Maybe Team Fortress doesn't like newer software or something...

Odd, because I just finished another playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and the game runs great with the settings cranked.

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#6 Resistance_Kid
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I noticed this as well, especially with Alien Swarm. As far as I am concerned, L4D2 and Alien Swarm use the same or at least similar source engine, but there is something strange about this, because Left 4 Dead 2 maxed out with AA and AF runs at 80+ FPS, while Alien Swarm runs at a pitiful 30-60FPS maxed out on the same settings.

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#7 JW-toch
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Source games are very CPU demanding, though your 2.5Ghz C2D should do the job :)

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#8 the_mitch28
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I haven't tried CSS yet but I randomly got the urge to play TF2 last night and it locked up and froze when launching, tried again and it did the same thing while loading a game.

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Source games are very CPU demanding, though your 2.5Ghz C2D should do the job :)

JW-toch

Actually generally they're not demanding games at all, certainly not "very" demanding.

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#9 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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I haven't tried CSS yet but I randomly got the urge to play TF2 last night and it locked up and froze when launching, tried again and it did the same thing while loading a game.

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[QUOTE="JW-toch"]

Source games are very CPU demanding, though your 2.5Ghz C2D should do the job :)

the_mitch28

Actually generally they're not demanding games at all, certainly not "very" demanding.

they are far more cpu dependent than GPU dependent. a medium power core 2 duo will struggle to keep l4d2 above 30fps at all times.

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#10 Resistance_Kid
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[QUOTE="the_mitch28"]

I haven't tried CSS yet but I randomly got the urge to play TF2 last night and it locked up and froze when launching, tried again and it did the same thing while loading a game.

Seven 64 bit
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[QUOTE="JW-toch"]

Source games are very CPU demanding, though your 2.5Ghz C2D should do the job :)

ferret-gamer

Actually generally they're not demanding games at all, certainly not "very" demanding.

they are far more cpu dependent than GPU dependent. a medium power core 2 duo will struggle to keep l4d2 above 30fps at all times.

Mine calmly keeps L4D2 at 60+ FPS at all times :)

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"]

[QUOTE="the_mitch28"]

Actually generally they're not demanding games at all, certainly not "very" demanding.

Resistance_Kid

they are far more cpu dependent than GPU dependent. a medium power core 2 duo will struggle to keep l4d2 above 30fps at all times.

Mine calmly keeps L4D2 at 60+ FPS at all times :)

and e4600 needs to be overclocked to 2.7ghz to maintain over 40fps in heavy hordes and gibs and all that stuff. And that is when it is getitng backed by a GTX 280. You can tell that you got a CPU bottleneck when you have the monitor open and it shows that when playing l4d2 the gtx 280 is using 40% of its power, while the processor is chugging at 90%+. I can run folding@home and play l4d2 at the same time with barely any frame drop.
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#12 Resistance_Kid
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[QUOTE="Resistance_Kid"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] they are far more cpu dependent than GPU dependent. a medium power core 2 duo will struggle to keep l4d2 above 30fps at all times.

ferret-gamer

Mine calmly keeps L4D2 at 60+ FPS at all times :)

and e4600 needs to be overclocked to 2.7ghz to maintain over 40fps in heavy hordes and gibs and all that stuff. And that is when it is getitng backed by a GTX 280. You can tell that you got a CPU bottleneck when you have the monitor open and it shows that when playing l4d2 the gtx 280 is using 40% of its power, while the processor is chugging at 90%+. I can run folding@home and play l4d2 at the same time with barely any frame drop.

Are you trying to say that L4D2 is demanding? My CPU has Turbo Boost which increases the clock rate to 2.7GHZ.

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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="Resistance_Kid"]

Mine calmly keeps L4D2 at 60+ FPS at all times :)

Resistance_Kid

and e4600 needs to be overclocked to 2.7ghz to maintain over 40fps in heavy hordes and gibs and all that stuff. And that is when it is getitng backed by a GTX 280. You can tell that you got a CPU bottleneck when you have the monitor open and it shows that when playing l4d2 the gtx 280 is using 40% of its power, while the processor is chugging at 90%+. I can run folding@home and play l4d2 at the same time with barely any frame drop.

Are you trying to say that L4D2 is demanding? My CPU has Turbo Boost which increases the clock rate to 2.7GHZ.

im saying the l4d2 is demanding on med level core 2 duo. Since you are using turbo boost that means you have an i7 or i5. Which are in a whole other realm of power than a med level core 2 duo
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#14 the_mitch28
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I could run L4D and L4D2 fine on high with my Core 2 Duo 2.13GHz. Don't know the exact frame rate but it ran smoothly.. better than most games released of the same time period.

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#15 Resistance_Kid
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[QUOTE="Resistance_Kid"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] and e4600 needs to be overclocked to 2.7ghz to maintain over 40fps in heavy hordes and gibs and all that stuff. And that is when it is getitng backed by a GTX 280. You can tell that you got a CPU bottleneck when you have the monitor open and it shows that when playing l4d2 the gtx 280 is using 40% of its power, while the processor is chugging at 90%+. I can run folding@home and play l4d2 at the same time with barely any frame drop.ferret-gamer

Are you trying to say that L4D2 is demanding? My CPU has Turbo Boost which increases the clock rate to 2.7GHZ.

im saying the l4d2 is demanding on med level core 2 duo. Since you are using turbo boost that means you have an i7 or i5. Which are in a whole other realm of power than a med level core 2 duo

I have an Intel Core 2 Duo Proccessor with Turbo Boost :|

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#16 fabounito
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try to come back to an older update or to uninstall steam, and then find a way to cut off auto updating
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#17 bleacher6
Member since 2010 • 332 Posts

only thing that screwed me up is my ping is not over 100 all the time..valve updates usually take a while to correct themselves though

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#18 kozzy1234
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No problems or issues for me, but I do have a few friends who experience what your talking about.

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#19 DanielDust
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try to come back to an older update or to uninstall steam, and then find a way to cut off auto updatingfabounito
It's an multiplayer game, you can't play it without updating it you also can't rollback to a previous version, PC games never worked like that but it would be useless since, again, you need it up to date.