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#51 subrosian
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I would recommend getting a Phenom II x4 - the 920, 940, and 955 are all great "bang for the buck". Of course you could jump on the i7 series, but that's overkill, unless you're planning to build an extremely high-end rig.
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#52 subrosian
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Got a Phenom II X2 550 unlocked to X4 and overclocked to 3.78 Ghz and it DOMINATES. :) The Q6600 is great, but the Phenom IIs have done right by me.

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Not all of the Phenom II's will unlock, nor will they all unlock -and- overclock. For the money, you might as well just get a Phenom II x4 920 and *know* that you have your four cores.
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#55 ish27
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Hey everyone, thanks for the replies. So it does seem the PII x4 is better, however I was browsing Newegg.ca today (I am in Canada), and in addition to the 940, the 945 is there as well. It seems they have the same clock speed, but the 945 is $30 cheaper, and it is AM3 (future-proof?). Why is it cheaper than the 940? Is it something to do with the multiplier? If so, how would that affect performance/OC?

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#56 Slig0
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Hey everyone, thanks for the replies. So it does seem the PII x4 is better, however I was browsing Newegg.ca today (I am in Canada), and in addition to the 940, the 945 is there as well. It seems they have the same clock speed, but the 945 is $30 cheaper, and it is AM3 (future-proof?). Why is it cheaper than the 940? Is it something to do with the multiplier? If so, how would that affect performance/OC?

ish27

There is a logical reason for this. For AM2+ motherboards, the best possible processor is the black edition 940. For AM3, the equivalent should be 955, because 945 does not have an unlocked multiplier, so it isn't black edition. Let me sum it up for you:

AM3:

955

945

925

810

720

710

550

AM2+:

920

940

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#57 Slig0
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And no, unlocked multiplier is a feature that is standard on AMD processors. It is a bit stupid, though. BE should be top end processors that cost more than 500$, but instead, you can get a black edition for under 100$. So it is useless, really. Go with 925, it will overclock ust as well, and you can get more RAM for the saved money. I was stupid and bought a 955 when I could have got 10GB RAM,

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#58 SinfulPotato
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Go with AM3 because that socket will last you a long while.
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#59 ish27
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Okay, thanks :)

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where are you going to find the q6600? they have been out of production for months and are almost non existent new now. the q6600 was great for it's time but is now old, if you are going with a core 2 quad go for a q9550.
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where are you going to find the q6600? they have been out of production for months and are almost non existent new now. the q6600 was great for it's time but is now old, if you are going with a core 2 quad go for a q9550.

Sigh... How many times will I repeat? I will give you a ton of reasons not to go with Q6600 *PII 940 as well, get either 945 or 955 with AM3 support*:

1. Socket LGA775 is outdated. No new motherboards or processors are being produced for it. Your processor will get in the category ultra low segment in a few months.

2. Core2 architecture sucks in gaming. AMD simply outcases it there. Reasons: Lack of L3 cache and a horrible Front Side Bus. AMD has it all, and they replaced FSB with HT. Just read what one reviewer on newegg said (referring to E8600, $270):

Cons:I have amd 6400 dual core and this intel duo core. intel e86 is expensive compare to quad core. I dont like the architecture in intel chips because it reduce the gaming performance. The chips require to bypass the north and south bridge before they can access the ram and graphic card. This cost to slow the gaming performance. The core dont work all at the same time.While amd go directly to access on memory and graphic with all it cores. I get better hit rate and owning player in games with amd while this core; slow refresh rate in gaming for some reason. It run fast but some kind of glitching latency. I kept shooting a person and get poor hit, but it does run very cool at 45c.

All right, he is not a duke in English, but he absolutely proves my point

3. Overclock is not everything. My PII 955 compresses an archive of 315MB in 42 seconds when clocked to 3.8, and in 47 with stock clock! So, even if you get 1GHz overclock (which I believe you will because these chips overclock hella well), it is only worth in gaming (sometimes).

4. DDR3 memory uses lower voltage (1.5) compared to DDR2 ( 1.8 ), so it is both more efficient and power friendly. It's price is super cheap as of late, so you can get about 6GB of OCZ gold for only about a hundered dollars.

5. If you are using an ATI card, much less Intel mobos have Crossfire compatibility. Also, if you are by any means using onboard graphics, AMD rules there with HD3300.

6. If you are gaming, PII is the best processor, and not just bang for buck best, but BEST. Of course, it will get whooped by the newest I7's in decoding and compressing, but nearly all current I7's have similar performance in gaming. Then it will be a wash.

7. I hope I concinced you.

Slig0
what are you on about, the core 2 has dominated amd ever since it came out. the phenom 2 has just caught up. core 2 systems can run ddr3 ram but ddr3 offers little performance boost. The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app.
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where are you going to find the q6600? they have been out of production for months and are almost non existent new now. the q6600 was great for it's time but is now old, if you are going with a core 2 quad go for a q9550. [QUOTE="Slig0"]

Sigh... How many times will I repeat? I will give you a ton of reasons not to go with Q6600 *PII 940 as well, get either 945 or 955 with AM3 support*:

1. Socket LGA775 is outdated. No new motherboards or processors are being produced for it. Your processor will get in the category ultra low segment in a few months.

2. Core2 architecture sucks in gaming. AMD simply outcases it there. Reasons: Lack of L3 cache and a horrible Front Side Bus. AMD has it all, and they replaced FSB with HT. Just read what one reviewer on newegg said (referring to E8600, $270):

Cons:I have amd 6400 dual core and this intel duo core. intel e86 is expensive compare to quad core. I dont like the architecture in intel chips because it reduce the gaming performance. The chips require to bypass the north and south bridge before they can access the ram and graphic card. This cost to slow the gaming performance. The core dont work all at the same time.While amd go directly to access on memory and graphic with all it cores. I get better hit rate and owning player in games with amd while this core; slow refresh rate in gaming for some reason. It run fast but some kind of glitching latency. I kept shooting a person and get poor hit, but it does run very cool at 45c.

All right, he is not a duke in English, but he absolutely proves my point

3. Overclock is not everything. My PII 955 compresses an archive of 315MB in 42 seconds when clocked to 3.8, and in 47 with stock clock! So, even if you get 1GHz overclock (which I believe you will because these chips overclock hella well), it is only worth in gaming (sometimes).

4. DDR3 memory uses lower voltage (1.5) compared to DDR2 ( 1.8 ), so it is both more efficient and power friendly. It's price is super cheap as of late, so you can get about 6GB of OCZ gold for only about a hundered dollars.

5. If you are using an ATI card, much less Intel mobos have Crossfire compatibility. Also, if you are by any means using onboard graphics, AMD rules there with HD3300.

6. If you are gaming, PII is the best processor, and not just bang for buck best, but BEST. Of course, it will get whooped by the newest I7's in decoding and compressing, but nearly all current I7's have similar performance in gaming. Then it will be a wash.

7. I hope I concinced you.

imprezawrx500

what are you on about, the core 2 has dominated amd ever since it came out. the phenom 2 has just caught up. core 2 systems can run ddr3 ram but ddr3 offers little performance boost. The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app.

Absolutely. I am going to leave you to your dreams.The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app. Well, my new PII 955 destroys my old E8400 in multithreaded apps and is about the same in gaming. Core2 domination has ended, as should your dreams.

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Absolutely. I am going to leave you to your dreams.The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app. Well, my new PII 955 destroys my old E8400 in multithreaded apps and is about the same in gaming. Core2 domination has ended, as should your dreams.Slig0
Huh, what's the fastest X2? I'm looking at the Anandtech benchmarks of the 3.1GHz Phenom II X2, and it's generally behind a lower-end 2.93GHz C2D that is itself slower than an E8400 by a decent amount - it does solidly take the lead over those things in gaming, though.
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[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"]where are you going to find the q6600? they have been out of production for months and are almost non existent new now. the q6600 was great for it's time but is now old, if you are going with a core 2 quad go for a q9550. [QUOTE="Slig0"]

Sigh... How many times will I repeat? I will give you a ton of reasons not to go with Q6600 *PII 940 as well, get either 945 or 955 with AM3 support*:

1. Socket LGA775 is outdated. No new motherboards or processors are being produced for it. Your processor will get in the category ultra low segment in a few months.

2. Core2 architecture sucks in gaming. AMD simply outcases it there. Reasons: Lack of L3 cache and a horrible Front Side Bus. AMD has it all, and they replaced FSB with HT. Just read what one reviewer on newegg said (referring to E8600, $270):

Cons:I have amd 6400 dual core and this intel duo core. intel e86 is expensive compare to quad core. I dont like the architecture in intel chips because it reduce the gaming performance. The chips require to bypass the north and south bridge before they can access the ram and graphic card. This cost to slow the gaming performance. The core dont work all at the same time.While amd go directly to access on memory and graphic with all it cores. I get better hit rate and owning player in games with amd while this core; slow refresh rate in gaming for some reason. It run fast but some kind of glitching latency. I kept shooting a person and get poor hit, but it does run very cool at 45c.

All right, he is not a duke in English, but he absolutely proves my point

3. Overclock is not everything. My PII 955 compresses an archive of 315MB in 42 seconds when clocked to 3.8, and in 47 with stock clock! So, even if you get 1GHz overclock (which I believe you will because these chips overclock hella well), it is only worth in gaming (sometimes).

4. DDR3 memory uses lower voltage (1.5) compared to DDR2 ( 1.8 ), so it is both more efficient and power friendly. It's price is super cheap as of late, so you can get about 6GB of OCZ gold for only about a hundered dollars.

5. If you are using an ATI card, much less Intel mobos have Crossfire compatibility. Also, if you are by any means using onboard graphics, AMD rules there with HD3300.

6. If you are gaming, PII is the best processor, and not just bang for buck best, but BEST. Of course, it will get whooped by the newest I7's in decoding and compressing, but nearly all current I7's have similar performance in gaming. Then it will be a wash.

7. I hope I concinced you.

Slig0

what are you on about, the core 2 has dominated amd ever since it came out. the phenom 2 has just caught up. core 2 systems can run ddr3 ram but ddr3 offers little performance boost. The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app.

Absolutely. I am going to leave you to your dreams.The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app. Well, my new PII 955 destroys my old E8400 in multithreaded apps and is about the same in gaming. Core2 domination has ended, as should your dreams.

Are you serious? In any game that doesn't support more than two cores, the core 2 duo wipes the floor with the phenom.

And this quote:

"2. Core2 architecture sucks in gaming. AMD simply outcases it there. Reasons: Lack of L3 cache and a horrible Front Side Bus. AMD has it all, and they replaced FSB with HT. Just read what one reviewer on newegg said (referring to E8600, $270):"

is just completely wrong. The Core 2 architecture is much better than anything AMD has produced up to the phenom II. It is still beter than the phenom, but the phenom can actually compete now.

"4. DDR3 memory uses lower voltage (1.5) compared to DDR2 ( 1.8 ), so it is both more efficient and power friendly. It's price is super cheap as of late, so you can get about 6GB of OCZ gold for only about a hundered dollars."

I'm using DDR3 with my core 2 duo right now, and have been for the last 7 months.

"5. If you are using an ATI card, much less Intel mobos have Crossfire compatibility. Also, if you are by any means using onboard graphics, AMD rules there with HD3300."

X58 motherboards have SLI and crossfire compatibility. Every intel board except nvidia chipset boards had crossfire support, P35, P45, etc.

"6. If you are gaming, PII is the best processor, and not just bang for buck best, but BEST. Of course, it will get whooped by the newest I7's in decoding and compressing, but nearly all current I7's have similar performance in gaming. Then it will be a wash."

The Q9550 is better than the phenom II, and is priced about the same, or a few dollars more. Phenoms aren't the best for gaming, core 2 duos are.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492&p=18
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492&p=19 (note in far cry 2, even the Q6600 is better than the phenoms)

Get your facts straight before posting blatantly wrong information.

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Slig0 since you are in denial explain these benchmarks where the core 2 quad leaves the p2 in the dust http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=10 700 extra mhz and the p2 still fails to beat the core 2 quad http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=5 in video the p2 is closer but still has more mhz and falls behind the core 2 quad and the i7 simply outclasses the p2 in any app with much lower clock speeds. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3559&p=6 face the facts amd has just about caught up the the 18month old 45nm core 2 quad but it now has to go a whole lot further to catch the i7
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#66 Slig0
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[QUOTE="Slig0"]

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"] what are you on about, the core 2 has dominated amd ever since it came out. the phenom 2 has just caught up. core 2 systems can run ddr3 ram but ddr3 offers little performance boost. The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app. GuitarFreak2

Absolutely. I am going to leave you to your dreams.The is no amd x2 that can touch the intel e8xxx in gaming or just about any app. Well, my new PII 955 destroys my old E8400 in multithreaded apps and is about the same in gaming. Core2 domination has ended, as should your dreams.

Are you serious? In any game that doesn't support more than two cores, the core 2 duo wipes the floor with the phenom.

And this quote:

"2. Core2 architecture sucks in gaming. AMD simply outcases it there. Reasons: Lack of L3 cache and a horrible Front Side Bus. AMD has it all, and they replaced FSB with HT. Just read what one reviewer on newegg said (referring to E8600, $270):"

is just completely wrong. The Core 2 architecture is much better than anything AMD has produced up to the phenom II. It is still beter than the phenom, but the phenom can actually compete now.

"4. DDR3 memory uses lower voltage (1.5) compared to DDR2 ( 1.8 ), so it is both more efficient and power friendly. It's price is super cheap as of late, so you can get about 6GB of OCZ gold for only about a hundered dollars."

I'm using DDR3 with my core 2 duo right now, and have been for the last 7 months.

"5. If you are using an ATI card, much less Intel mobos have Crossfire compatibility. Also, if you are by any means using onboard graphics, AMD rules there with HD3300."

X58 motherboards have SLI and crossfire compatibility. Every intel board except nvidia chipset boards had crossfire support, P35, P45, etc.

"6. If you are gaming, PII is the best processor, and not just bang for buck best, but BEST. Of course, it will get whooped by the newest I7's in decoding and compressing, but nearly all current I7's have similar performance in gaming. Then it will be a wash."

The Q9550 is better than the phenom II, and is priced about the same, or a few dollars more. Phenoms aren't the best for gaming, core 2 duos are.
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492&p=18
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3492&p=19 (note in far cry 2, even the Q6600 is better than the phenoms)

Get your facts straight before posting blatantly wrong information.

the core 2 duo wipes the floor with the phenom. My experience says totally otherwise, since I upgraded from **** E8400 to PII 955.

Phenom can compete now? To duals? Come on, give up the silly fanboysm. You are either a rock hard fanboy or you are insane.

That was my mistake, but as I remember older quads and duals do not use DDR3.

The Q9550 is better than the phenom II, and is priced about the same, or a few dollars more. Phenoms aren't the best for gaming, core 2 duos are.

No, it isn't.http://www.modreactor.com/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920.html

And don't post me those benchmarks from Anand or Tom's. I bought many bad components when I was stupid until I found out they are full of *beep* (sorry I have to post that or they will mod me). Since then I never buy Intel. Those sites ARE FINANCED by Intel to fake results. Look at this:

"Here, things aren't looking as good for the Gamer Dragon. Even though its graphics system is superior, Far Cry 2 is putting a heavy-enough load on the CPU to handicap it. The Phenom II X4 955 just can't cope as well as the Core i7-920, even when overclocked to 3.6 GHz. The overclocked i7-920 is delivering almost double the performance at lower resolutions."

Now look at their other review:

That is what I am talking about, and that is the same as Anand, so get informed fanyboy. In AnandTech review it takes about 120 seconds for PII 955 and around 80 for I7 to compress a file of 300MB. When I tested this, I underclocked my processor to 2.6. Then I went and compressed a file of 315MB. It took 51 seconds with BEST compression. Without multithreading it took 70. I am not saying that I7 will do worse or that it iwll take 80 seconds for it, but really, they have doubled the dissadvantage. Get informed... Read, read read read read...

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#67 Slig0
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phenoms aren't the best for gaming, core 2 duos are

That is the most f'ing ridiculous thing I ever heard. I have owned a E4600 once and it's performance is puny compared to my friend's 5600+ in gaming. Crysis ran ten times smoother on his rig than on mine even though I ad 4GB RAM compared to his 2, and a bit stronger card *8800 vs 9600*.

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#68 opamando
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phenoms aren't the best for gaming, core 2 duos are

That is the most f'ing ridiculous thing I ever heard. I have owned a E4600 once and it's performance is puny compared to my friend's 5600+ in gaming. Crysis ran ten times smoother on his rig than on mine even though I ad 4GB RAM compared to his 2, and a bit stronger card *8800 vs 9600*.

Slig0

You have got to be one of the biggest faboys on this website at this point in time.

I love how in this post you say that your old E4600 is "puny" compared to a 5600+, but yet in this thread what you said seem to be a little more truthful.

Don't fail on this one like I did. I got a PC from my sig and sold my old: E4600, 8800GT, 4GB DDR2 800MHz RAM and some Gigabyte mobo. The performance jump was very low and it was not like I expected. So, getting any of those GPU's if you have a 8800GT now is pointless. Wait for GT300.

Slig0

I like how you admit your PII 955 is a "very low performance jump". Not bad for one of the lower offerings of the Core 2 line.

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#69 Slig0
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[QUOTE="Slig0"]

phenoms aren't the best for gaming, core 2 duos are

That is the most f'ing ridiculous thing I ever heard. I have owned a E4600 once and it's performance is puny compared to my friend's 5600+ in gaming. Crysis ran ten times smoother on his rig than on mine even though I ad 4GB RAM compared to his 2, and a bit stronger card *8800 vs 9600*.

opamando

You have got to be one of the biggest faboys on this website at this point in time.

I love how in this post you say that your old E4600 is "puny" compared to a 5600+, but yet in this thread what you said seem to be a little more truthful.

Don't fail on this one like I did. I got a PC from my sig and sold my old: E4600, 8800GT, 4GB DDR2 800MHz RAM and some Gigabyte mobo. The performance jump was very low and it was not like I expected. So, getting any of those GPU's if you have a 8800GT now is pointless. Wait for GT300.

Slig0

I like how you admit your PII 955 is a "very low performance jump". Not bad for one of the lower offerings of the Core 2 line.

Wow, you are such a fanboy that you need to dig my threads just to prove your **** Intel is better. First of all, the thread you posted was about graphics. I said that 4890 did not give me any performance increase. I overclocked my E4600 to 3.4, and my 955 is now at 3.2 so there is no difference between these CPU's in gaming if they use only two cores.

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Come on, AMD has the best price to performance ratio, And the P2 940 is comparable to a i7 920 in games and a few programs. One of my friends had a Q6600 OC'ed to 3.2 Ghz which all in all is equal to a Q9550 for the most part. But later on when he went back from mac to Pc and needed a new Pc, I told him about the P2 940 while he was looking at the i7 920, he was a "intel person" until I conviced him to save some money at that time an I7 rig was $350 more. So he went with the P2 setup. He was shocked how much faster the P2 940 was over his old Q6600 @ 3.2ghz encoding and rendering stuff. And in gaming it was an improvment. You guys cant all go by benchmarks because in real world experience you cant tell the difference between i7 and P2 cpu's unless you are watching it like a hawk. Why do you think Intel's i7's came down is price so fast? Because AMD's P2 is faster the Coreduo/quads and was giving people near i7 performance for a fraction of the cost. And Intel was loosing business because of AMD's P2's so hince the price cutting, if the i7's were so much better they could have kept the prices were they wanted.
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Get the 945 Phenom II, not the 940. The 940 is not AM3. Unless you care about overclocking, don't worry about whether it's a black edition or not. Also the 945 can get to 3.8GHz without the need for an unlocked multiplier. The 940/955 unlocked multiplier is really only for the enthusiast overclocker who likes to hit over 4.0GHz.

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ok guy... mind i show you something ? It About Phenom II Vs Core i7 VS core 2 Duo vs Core 2 Quad in a high-end test at 3 resolution
http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=807&p=7


may i remind you how a processor will work will depend of the game : the rate of mhz : some game example Fallout 3 will love core i7 over Phenom II even if Phenom II is only 1-2fps behind

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2009/04/23/amd-phenom-ii-x4-955-black-edition-cpu-am3/7
it Sure some Benchmark will give different Result depending of video card / GPU driver used / Processor Clock rate
If most of Tester ad money i bet they would do there benchmark as detailed as Legionhardware & bit-tech can be

it True Q6600 is Behind Phenom II X 940 Stock : even if you overclock Q6600 it will perform behind Phenom II overclocking it a Sad Truth since most of Benchmark show it

mean while a Q9550 can be Around same price of Phenom II 955 Black edition But In the end the 955 X4 Black Edition Overclocking vs Q9550 Overclocking rate It is far possible Phenom II X4 955 BE To Win not that i'm fan of any side But if you compare tough a Q9650 to Phenom II X4 955

they Will Perform Pretty Close Cause Q9650 will reach 4.0Ghz : Phenom II x4 955 black ediiton will reach from 3.8Ghz to 3.94Ghz Example Beefdog making them in a close fight

and 965 is To release soon and as Reached 4.4Ghz But Average OC Rate was 4.3Ghz the 4.4ghz was reached with Thermalright 120 Extreme + Two Fan on Extreme Forum

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#74 -GeordiLaForge-
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I learned recently that you can mod the Phenom II X3 into a full blown Phenom II X4. I would look into that, especially considering how cheap the X3's are...
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#75 ish27
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I learned recently that you can mod the Phenom II X3 into a full blown Phenom II X4. I would look into that, especially considering how cheap the X3's are...-GeordiLaForge-
Okay, I'll make sure to read up on it, thanks :D
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That's hilarious. You calling me a fanboy while you defend AMD against everything and say how biased the review sites are, yet all you provide is some unknown eastern european review site.

"That was my mistake, but as I remember older quads and duals do not use DDR3."

DDR3 has been supported since the P35 chipset.

"The Q9550 is better than the phenom II, and is priced about the same, or a few dollars more. Phenoms aren't the best for gaming, core 2 duos are.

No, it isn't.http://www.modreactor.com/Reviews/Test-ATI-HD-4890-1GB-CrossFire-AMD-Phenom-II-955-BE-vs-Intel-Core-i7-920.html"

Yes, it is.


"And don't post me those benchmarks from Anand or Tom's. I bought many bad components when I was stupid until I found out they are full of *beep* (sorry I have to post that or they will mod me). Since then I never buy Intel. Those sites ARE FINANCED by Intel to fake results. Look at this:



"Here, things aren't looking as good for the Gamer Dragon. Even though its graphics system is superior, Far Cry 2 is putting a heavy-enough load on the CPU to handicap it. The Phenom II X4 955 just can't cope as well as the Core i7-920, even when overclocked to 3.6 GHz. The overclocked i7-920 is delivering almost double the performance at lower resolutions."

Now look at their other review:

That is what I am talking about, and that is the same as Anand, so get informed fanyboy. In AnandTech review it takes about 120 seconds for PII 955 and around 80 for I7 to compress a file of 300MB. When I tested this, I underclocked my processor to 2.6. Then I went and compressed a file of 315MB. It took 51 seconds with BEST compression. Without multithreading it took 70. I am not saying that I7 will do worse or that it iwll take 80 seconds for it, but really, they have doubled the dissadvantage. Get informed... Read, read read read read..."

Tom's is a load of BS anyway. I know of a lot of people who don't trust them and compare them to the Inq for hardware news. Anandtech is a reputiable name for reviews, as is GURU3D and EOCF, and they both say the same about the phenom as well...

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/processors/AMD_Phenom_II_X4_955_1.html
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-phenom-x4-945-and-955be-processor-review-test/

I'm not saying it's not a good processor, it is. The phenom and Q9550 are neck and neck, but for the best performance, the core i7 will beat it in multi-threaded applications such as multimedia encoding and the like. As for gaming, it's been proven that the i7 is no better or sometimes worse than the core 2 line, and they already beat the phenoms.In games that don't use more than two cores, the core 2 duo is the best processor. It has been proven time and time again, and I don't know why you don't acknowledge it.

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Come on, AMD has the best price to performance ratio, And the P2 940 is comparable to a i7 920 in games and a few programs. One of my friends had a Q6600 OC'ed to 3.2 Ghz which all in all is equal to a Q9550 for the most part. But later on when he went back from mac to Pc and needed a new Pc, I told him about the P2 940 while he was looking at the i7 920, he was a "intel person" until I conviced him to save some money at that time an I7 rig was $350 more. So he went with the P2 setup. He was shocked how much faster the P2 940 was over his old Q6600 @ 3.2ghz encoding and rendering stuff. And in gaming it was an improvment. You guys cant all go by benchmarks because in real world experience you cant tell the difference between i7 and P2 cpu's unless you are watching it like a hawk. Why do you think Intel's i7's came down is price so fast? Because AMD's P2 is faster the Coreduo/quads and was giving people near i7 performance for a fraction of the cost. And Intel was loosing business because of AMD's P2's so hince the price cutting, if the i7's were so much better they could have kept the prices were they wanted.04dcarraher

I really, really respect you as a person. You have so much nerves not to get angered by these fanboys that it is a miracle to me. And by the way, I in anger give less reasonable arguments than you.

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#78 Slig0
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Okay, let me show you how competitive AMD is to Intel now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

1347 people bought AMD's newest and shiniest processor (for AM2+, of course)

Now, look at I7:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

Nearly a hundered more buys for AMD. And that is even versus I7, not Q6600 that this thread is about.

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Yes Amd as Best Price Performances Ratio i did show it 3 post earlier
Still the Fact he Went asking Q6600 Vs Phenom II X4 : if you compare 940 / 955 Black edition there no doubt it better then Q6600

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#80 ish27
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Yes Amd as Best Price Performances Ratio i did show it 3 post earlier
Still the Fact he Went asking Q6600 Vs Phenom II X4 : if you compare 940 / 955 Black edition there no doubt it better then Q6600

marcthpro

Yay :P

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#81 powerwolff
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Okay, let me show you how competitive AMD is to Intel now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

1347 people bought AMD's newest and shiniest processor (for AM2+, of course)

Now, look at I7:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202

Nearly a hundered more buys for AMD. And that is even versus I7, not Q6600 that this thread is about.

Slig0
I agree that the Phenom II 955 BE (and the few below it in performance) is the better choice vs. Q6600 and Core i7 920 for that matter (and I'm no AMD fan, I absolutely loved the Q6600 I had a while ago) but looking at how many people reviewed a product doesn't exactly tell you how competitive either AMD or Intel is...and how many reviews there are does not equal how many have purchased the product.
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#82 marcthpro
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anyway ish27 put a list of what ur getting asap :P so we know if you can change some stuff as case / Video card / cpu cooler (if you'r getting that) unless you mean ur only getting a CPU & mobo

there some combo that can worth it : 290-330$ Combo for Phenom II 955 BE / 230-250$ combo for Phenom II X4 940 BE & motherboard

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#83 ish27
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anyway ish27 put a list of what ur getting asap :P so we know if you can change some stuff as case / Video card / cpu cooler (if you'r getting that) unless you mean ur only getting a CPU & mobo

there some combo that can worth it : 290-330$ Combo for Phenom II 955 BE / 230-250$ combo for Phenom II X4 940 BE & motherboard

marcthpro

Actually, I was just looking at preliminary specs, I don't intend to purchase anything until late August or the beginning of university. Not to mention, that's when my summer job will be over, so my budget will be finalized :P

But here are the specs I was looking at, if I did purchase now:

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

GIGABYTE GA-MA770T-UD3P AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

XFX HD-487A-ZHFC Radeon HD 4870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card - Retail

CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 ... - Retail

AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDX945FBGIBOX - Retail

OCZ Gold 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G1600LV6GK - Retail

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM

I could probably go lower on the PSU if I wanted (maybe not though), and I'm also unsure about the case as it may be too small (I have no idea if that's true or not).

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id put a CM 690 & A cpu Cooler by Then or if you want a case that last you 5-7 year : HAF 932 (much more airflow it is top 3 best airflow case)
and Switch ram to DDR3 Dual channel : Triple channel is Feature only to Core i7