Question about 64-bit system.

I just installed a 64-bit Windows 7. I am installing Civ 5 now. Since I didnt have an option I'm assuming it installed the 32-bit version. My question is will the game utilize all of my RAM?( 4 gigs, and 1gig graphics card) Or because the application is 32-bit it wont?

Thanks

I just installed a 64-bit Windows 7. I am installing Civ 5 now. Since I didnt have an option I'm assuming it installed the 32-bit version. My question is will the game utilize all of my RAM?( 4 gigs, and 1gig graphics card) Or because the application is 32-bit it wont?

Thanks

mic81784

Any game uses the RAM through the operating system, so, yes, the game has access to all of the RAM...

Any game uses the RAM through the operating system, so, yes, the game has access to all of the RAM...

[QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

Any game uses the RAM through the operating system, so, yes, the game has access to all of the RAM...

lowe0

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Any game uses the RAM through the operating system, so, yes, the game has access to all of the RAM...

[QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

Any game uses the RAM through the operating system, so, yes, the game has access to all of the RAM...

lowe0

I think you're confusing the 2GB filesize limit on non NFTS formatted drives, with the use of RAM...

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

Any game uses the RAM through the operating system, so, yes, the game has access to all of the RAM...

I think you're confusing the 2GB filesize limit on non NFTS formatted drives, with the use of RAM...

[QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Huh? No. The amount of RAM accessible to a 32-bit game on either 32-bit or 64-bit Windows is 2GB. If the executable is compiled large-address aware, it can access 4GB.lowe0

I think you're confusing the 2GB filesize limit on non NFTS formatted drives, with the use of RAM...

[QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

Any game uses the RAM through the operating system, so, yes, the game has access to all of the RAM...

lowe0

Good info, I guess Civ V is large-address aware, any modern programming environment should by now be updated to be able to use this. (No source for this, but anything else would be silly.)

There is one other trick to mention, a 32-bit program can run multiple processes, each with their own memory pool of up to 2, 3 or 4 GB depending on system and compilation. It's not optimal, but swapping to a storage process is still way faster than swapping to disk.

As for 64-bit systems, the theoretical memory limit is 16 exibyte (=16 EiB = 16 777 216 TiB), though both software and hardware have their own arbitrary limits, but those limits are pretty easy to change, so we shouldn't see any major problems before we hit the 16 EiB limit.

Because the sentence you highlighted is the amount of memory the system can use, not the per-process limit. And no, virtual address space does not refer to the page file (though it is related - the OS decides which parts of the virtual address space are kept in physical memory and which are paged out to disk).lowe0

That's squealing like a devil in holy water, Lowe0... a 32-bits OS has the ability to use a max of 4GB of memory, including VRAM and swap space. Point. To date, 64-bits OSs are hardware limited to 192GB.

We were talking system RAM all the way. It's you who popped up saying "NOOO" and as an example used limitations set for programs, not for the system...

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Because the sentence you highlighted is the amount of memory the system can use, not the per-process limit. And no, virtual address space does not refer to the page file (though it is related - the OS decides which parts of the virtual address space are kept in physical memory and which are paged out to disk).JimmyJumpy

That's squealing like a devil in holy water, Lowe0... a 32-bits OS has the ability to use a max of 4GB of memory, including VRAM and swap space. Point. To date, 64-bits OSs are hardware limited to 192GB.

We were talking system RAM all the way. It's you who popped up saying "NOOO" and as an example used limitations set for programs, not for the system...

[QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"]Because the sentence you highlighted is the amount of memory the system can use, not the per-process limit. And no, virtual address space does not refer to the page file (though it is related - the OS decides which parts of the virtual address space are kept in physical memory and which are paged out to disk).lowe0

That's squealing like a devil in holy water, Lowe0... a 32-bits OS has the ability to use a max of 4GB of memory, including VRAM and swap space. Point. To date, 64-bits OSs are hardware limited to 192GB.

We were talking system RAM all the way. It's you who popped up saying "NOOO" and as an example used limitations set for programs, not for the system...

The OP didn't ask what the game would use, he asked if the game would be able to us all of his RAM, which is a bit of a trick question, because, first of all, the game would never use all of the RAM, unless it has a leak. Secondly, yes, the game would be able to access all of the RAM, meaning that the game can choose which parts of the total RAM to access and not just which part of 4GB of RAM (should more than 4GB be installed).

Point. To date, 64-bits OSs are hardware limited to 192GB.

JimmyJumpy

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

That's squealing like a devil in holy water, Lowe0... a 32-bits OS has the ability to use a max of 4GB of memory, including VRAM and swap space. Point. To date, 64-bits OSs are hardware limited to 192GB.

We were talking system RAM all the way. It's you who popped up saying "NOOO" and as an example used limitations set for programs, not for the system...

JimmyJumpy

The OP didn't ask what the game would use, he asked if the game would be able to us all of his RAM, which is a bit of a trick question, because, first of all, the game would never use all of the RAM, unless it has a leak. Secondly, yes, the game would be able to access all of the RAM, meaning that the game can choose which parts of the total RAM to access and not just which part of 4GB of RAM (should more than 4GB be installed).

[QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] He asked what the game would use. Unless they've done something unusual architecturally, such as multiple processes with IPC, that's the per-process limit.lowe0

The OP didn't ask what the game would use, he asked if the game would be able to us all of his RAM, which is a bit of a trick question, because, first of all, the game would never use all of the RAM, unless it has a leak. Secondly, yes, the game would be able to access all of the RAM, meaning that the game can choose which parts of the total RAM to access and not just which part of 4GB of RAM (should more than 4GB be installed).

Okay, I should have said it differently: the game will have access to any part of the amount of RAM installed, regardless of there being 4, 8, 16 or 32GB RAM installed.

If I were you, I'd better check once more about 32-bits operating systems and the max amount of RAM they can use, because it's 4GB... not 2. Now, since a topic has once more turned into a 'yes-no' discussion, I'm outta here. Ciao baby...

The OP didn't ask what the game would use, he asked if the game would be able to us all of his RAM, which is a bit of a trick question, because, first of all, the game would never use all of the RAM, unless it has a leak. Secondly, yes, the game would be able to access all of the RAM, meaning that the game can choose which parts of the total RAM to access and not just which part of 4GB of RAM (should more than 4GB be installed).JimmyJumpy

It would seem that you have no idea how memory allocation on a modern computer works. And no, I don't think OP meant to ask some trick question about the program not being able to use memory already in use by the system etc.

[QUOTE="JimmyJumpy"]The OP didn't ask what the game would use, he asked if the game would be able to us all of his RAM, which is a bit of a trick question, because, first of all, the game would never use all of the RAM, unless it has a leak. Secondly, yes, the game would be able to access all of the RAM, meaning that the game can choose which parts of the total RAM to access and not just which part of 4GB of RAM (should more than 4GB be installed).eBusiness

It would seem that you have no idea how memory allocation on a modern computer works. And no, I don't think OP meant to ask some trick question about the program not being able to use memory already in use by the system etc.

With 'trick question', I meant that the question is redundant as there's no game that would use over 4GB of RAM... for the rest, I'd say to read all the comments instead of picking one where I explained myself wrong.

With 'trick question', I meant that the question is redundant as there's no game that would use over 4GB of RAM... for the rest, I'd say to read all the comments instead of picking one where I explained myself wrong.

JimmyJumpy

Just get over it, lowe0 provided a perfectly good explanation of the matter (though it might not have been completely clear on all points he has said nothing that isn't correct). It would seem that you are completely incapable of admitting that you were wrong, so you just try to off-track the thread by pointing out errors in other peoples posts. If you can't admit a mistake, at least have the dignity to just stop posting on the matter.