Question about SimCity

Hey guys
So I bought SimCity which is an awesome game but a bit complicated.
I got this problem that I cant figure out on how to overcome,
the problem is on how do I move from medium density roads to high density roads,
I mean sure I can destroy everything and rebuild but it will cost me a whole lots of money,
Is there a CORRECT way to do it?

Hey guys
So I bought SimCity which is an awesome game but a bit complicated.
I got this problem that I cant figure out on how to overcome,
the problem is on how do I move from medium density roads to high density roads,
I mean sure I can destroy everything and rebuild but it will cost me a whole lots of money,
Is there a CORRECT way to do it?

Farxi

nobody cares about the THAT game go get a refund

Click on the roads section, then on the left where the different road shape types are there's a button that allows you to upgrade. Click that and then click on the road and you can upgrade that section of roads.

To the user above me, don't be a douche bag. It's perfectly fine to not like a game, but if somebody has a question you shouldn't be a tool to them.

To the user above me, don't be a douche bag. It's perfectly fine to not like a game, but if somebody has a question you shouldn't be a tool to them.airshocker

[QUOTE="Farxi"]

Hey guys
So I bought SimCity which is an awesome game but a bit complicated.
I got this problem that I cant figure out on how to overcome,
the problem is on how do I move from medium density roads to high density roads,
I mean sure I can destroy everything and rebuild but it will cost me a whole lots of money,
Is there a CORRECT way to do it?

_SKatEDiRt_

nobody cares about the THAT game go get a refund

Most of the server issues are fixed now and it's only getting better, stop hating for the sake of hating.

Click on the roads section, then on the left where the different road shape types are there's a button that allows you to upgrade. Click that and then click on the road and you can upgrade that section of roads.

To the user above me, don't be a douche bag. It's perfectly fine to not like a game, but if somebody has a question you shouldn't be a tool to them.

airshocker

I know that part, problem is that you cant upgrade from med density to high densty as the high density roads are wider...
Plus i have a new problem, I dont have any more space to build residential areas and the demand for it is booming,
How do I force the population into more dense structures?

I know that part, problem is that you cant upgrade from med density to high densty as the high density roads are wider...
Plus i have a new problem, I dont have any more space to build residential areas and the demand for it is booming,
How do I force the population into more dense structures?

Farxi

Yes you can. You can't upgrade to high density streetcar roads, but you can upgrade to regular high density roads.

You have to have residential zones around high density(medium density works too) roads. Then you also need to have the demand for it.

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="Farxi"]

Hey guys
So I bought SimCity which is an awesome game but a bit complicated.
I got this problem that I cant figure out on how to overcome,
the problem is on how do I move from medium density roads to high density roads,
I mean sure I can destroy everything and rebuild but it will cost me a whole lots of money,
Is there a CORRECT way to do it?

HyperWarlock

nobody cares about the THAT game go get a refund

Most of the server issues are fixed now and it's only getting better, stop hating for the sake of hating.

I need it to be 100% offline because its a single player game. EA ruined it. so its not just "for the sake of hating" real reasons here

Click on the roads section, then on the left where the different road shape types are there's a button that allows you to upgrade. Click that and then click on the road and you can upgrade that section of roads.

To the user above me, don't be a douche bag. It's perfectly fine to not like a game, but if somebody has a question you shouldn't be a tool to them.

airshocker

Didnt know i was being a "douche bag" because I WAS NOT.

[QUOTE="Farxi"]

Hey guys
So I bought SimCity which is an awesome game but a bit complicated.
I got this problem that I cant figure out on how to overcome,
the problem is on how do I move from medium density roads to high density roads,
I mean sure I can destroy everything and rebuild but it will cost me a whole lots of money,
Is there a CORRECT way to do it?

_SKatEDiRt_

nobody cares about the THAT game go get a refund

He did not ask if anyone cares about the game he asked for help about something in the game. If you are just going to troll and be an idiot then why even join the thread and post?

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="Farxi"]

Hey guys
So I bought SimCity which is an awesome game but a bit complicated.
I got this problem that I cant figure out on how to overcome,
the problem is on how do I move from medium density roads to high density roads,
I mean sure I can destroy everything and rebuild but it will cost me a whole lots of money,
Is there a CORRECT way to do it?

kozzy1234

nobody cares about the THAT game go get a refund

He did not ask if anyone cares about the game he asked for help about something in the game. If you are just going to troll and be an idiot then why even join the thread and post?

Not Trolling... and because I can

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

nobody cares about the THAT game go get a refund

_SKatEDiRt_

Most of the server issues are fixed now and it's only getting better, stop hating for the sake of hating.

I need it to be 100% offline because its a single player game. EA ruined it. so its not just "for the sake of hating" real reasons here

Nah, you're just stuck-up in the old ways man. World is changing, so are the games. Learn to adjust to the environment. Don't expect future games to cater to your old-fashion thinking. Sure its rough, but its all part of advancing technologies. What we all are going through is an evolution of gaming history. Don't worry about it though, cuz like all changes there are always the whiners. You're jsut playing your role.

Then again, you can really vent your frustration in a more appropriate place.

Didnt know i was being a "douche bag" because I WAS NOT.

_SKatEDiRt_

You were. Ignoring his question in order to prattle on about your dislike for the game was a douchebag move.

You couldn't answer his question, so you should have said nothing.

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

Most of the server issues are fixed now and it's only getting better, stop hating for the sake of hating.

twe1ve_5tones

I need it to be 100% offline because its a single player game. EA ruined it. so its not just "for the sake of hating" real reasons here

Nah, you're just stuck-up in the old ways man. World is changing, so are the games. Learn to adjust to the environment. Don't expect future games to cater to your old-fashion thinking. Sure its rough, but its all part of advancing technologies. What we all are going through is an evolution of gaming history. Don't worry about it though, cuz like all changes there are always the whiners. You're jsut playing your role.

Then again, you can really vent your frustration in a more appropriate place.

yeah... no.

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Didnt know i was being a "douche bag" because I WAS NOT.

airshocker

You were. Ignoring his question in order to prattle on about your dislike for the game was a douchebag move.

You couldn't answer his question, so you should have said nothing.

Cool bro

Cool bro

_SKatEDiRt_

Glad you can admit when you're wrong. Maybe there's hope for you.

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Cool bro

airshocker

Glad you can admit when you're wrong. Maybe there's hope for you.

Never admitted any such thing? maybe you need to see a doctor for hallucinations?

Never admitted any such thing? maybe you need to see a doctor for hallucinations?

_SKatEDiRt_

Speak for yourself. Thinking you weren't being a douchebag. :lol:

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Click on the roads section, then on the left where the different road shape types are there's a button that allows you to upgrade. Click that and then click on the road and you can upgrade that section of roads.

To the user above me, don't be a douche bag. It's perfectly fine to not like a game, but if somebody has a question you shouldn't be a tool to them.

Farxi

I know that part, problem is that you cant upgrade from med density to high densty as the high density roads are wider...
Plus i have a new problem, I dont have any more space to build residential areas and the demand for it is booming,
How do I force the population into more dense structures?

Increase land value, add city services that the people need. Check what they want under approval rating. I started getting skyscrapers but still tells me I need more residents.

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Never admitted any such thing? maybe you need to see a doctor for hallucinations?

airshocker

Speak for yourself. Thinking you weren't being a douchebag. :lol:

ha.. ha.. ha.. your so funny. 

[QUOTE="Farxi"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Click on the roads section, then on the left where the different road shape types are there's a button that allows you to upgrade. Click that and then click on the road and you can upgrade that section of roads.

To the user above me, don't be a douche bag. It's perfectly fine to not like a game, but if somebody has a question you shouldn't be a tool to them.

mhofever

I know that part, problem is that you cant upgrade from med density to high densty as the high density roads are wider...
Plus i have a new problem, I dont have any more space to build residential areas and the demand for it is booming,
How do I force the population into more dense structures?

Increase land value, add city services that the people need. Check what they want under approval rating. I started getting skyscrapers but still tells me I need more residents.

Right... any idea on how do I make spacialised citys? like Industry only or Mining only and how do I utilize them?

the smaller roads can only be upgraded to 4 lames. 

the avanue roads is only roads that can be upgraded max

the streets can only go up to high density roads

This is because of the size that is give for per type

here is a wiki on it

http://www.ign.com/wikis/simcity/Road_Types

[QUOTE="mhofever"]

[QUOTE="Farxi"]

I know that part, problem is that you cant upgrade from med density to high densty as the high density roads are wider...
Plus i have a new problem, I dont have any more space to build residential areas and the demand for it is booming,
How do I force the population into more dense structures?

Farxi

Increase land value, add city services that the people need. Check what they want under approval rating. I started getting skyscrapers but still tells me I need more residents.

Right... any idea on how do I make spacialised citys? like Industry only or Mining only and how do I utilize them?

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

nobody cares about the THAT game go get a refund

_SKatEDiRt_

Most of the server issues are fixed now and it's only getting better, stop hating for the sake of hating.

I need it to be 100% offline because its a single player game. EA ruined it. so its not just "for the sake of hating" real reasons here

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="HyperWarlock"]

Most of the server issues are fixed now and it's only getting better, stop hating for the sake of hating.

JohnF111

I need it to be 100% offline because its a single player game. EA ruined it. so its not just "for the sake of hating" real reasons here

Needy and selfish? DUDE ITS A GAME. Sorry for wanting to play a game that has been single player from the start of the series. PS. Im not the only one who thinks this way

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

I need it to be 100% offline because its a single player game. EA ruined it. so its not just "for the sake of hating" real reasons here

_SKatEDiRt_

Needy and selfish? DUDE ITS A GAME. Sorry for wanting to play a game that has been single player from the start of the series. PS. Im not the only one who thinks this way

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Then you obviously know nothing about the game, it was DESIGNED to be online, integrating and trading with others, this is a new age of video games and EA has already said they have no intention of making single player games so if you don't like it then stop whining and just go buy Cities XL or buy a different game that suites you. It's a huge industry and you not liking it won't make a ripple in EA's water plus it makes you sound really needy and selfish when every game has to be designed just for you the way you like it and want it to be.JohnF111

Needy and selfish? DUDE ITS A GAME. Sorry for wanting to play a game that has been single player from the start of the series. PS. Im not the only one who thinks this way

It doesnt focus on multiplayer. its limited to multiplayer. is the way i look at it

[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Needy and selfish? DUDE ITS A GAME. Sorry for wanting to play a game that has been single player from the start of the series. PS. Im not the only one who thinks this way

_SKatEDiRt_

It doesnt focus on multiplayer. its limited to multiplayer. is the way i look at it

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] Before the game even released it has been said a hundred times it's a reboot, not a continuation which is the reason it's not "Sim City 5" it's simply "Sim City (2013)". Therefore it has no need to follow the same recipe as the older games, and has been known for a long time it is focused on multiplayer.MajorPain10

It doesnt focus on multiplayer. its limited to multiplayer. is the way i look at it

Thats fine. but it should be an option to do that not forced since you have to be online. why are you defending the devil?

again my point being. its like forcing roller coaster tycoon to be ALWAYS ONLINE. no internet no play. seriously what is wrong with everyone? they took a standalone, single player, no internet game and forced it to have a 24/7 internet connection. am i the only sane one? seriously think people think. 

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"][QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

It doesnt focus on multiplayer. its limited to multiplayer. is the way i look at it

_SKatEDiRt_

Thats fine. but it should be an option to do that not forced since you have to be online. why are you defending the devil?

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"] Sure, there technically isn't a singleplayer if that's the way you want to look at. After playing it, I believe the Global Market feature of the game is a REAL global market, which you have to be connected to the internet to use (if that is the case). Without using the Global Market, advancing a city is pretty hard to do. Much of the success in the city I have right now is due to the Global Market. Regardless, there are plenty of multiplayer-centric only games around now and people don't seem to have an issue with that. EA and Maxis just happened to take the franchise in that direction. MajorPain10

Thats fine. but it should be an option to do that not forced since you have to be online. why are you defending the devil?

Simcity has always been a single player, OFFLINE game. The reason for it being online only DOES NOT MATTER. the simple fact of HAVING TO ALWAYS BE ONLINE is tormenting. This ruins the game for alot of people including me. So please will you stop praising the FORCED ONLINE.

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Thats fine. but it should be an option to do that not forced since you have to be online. why are you defending the devil?

_SKatEDiRt_

Simcity has always been a single player, OFFLINE game. The reason for it being online only DOES NOT MATTER. the simple fact of HAVING TO ALWAYS BE ONLINE is tormenting. This ruins the game for alot of people including me. So please will you stop praising the FORCED ONLINE.

Also, I want to ask a question.  How exactly does it ruin the game besides just not being able to play offline?  I understand internet outages and whatnot, but it would not feel any different than not being able to play your favorite MMO or f2p multiplayer game because your internet is out.    

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Thats fine. but it should be an option to do that not forced since you have to be online. why are you defending the devil?

_SKatEDiRt_

Simcity has always been a single player, OFFLINE game. The reason for it being online only DOES NOT MATTER. the simple fact of HAVING TO ALWAYS BE ONLINE is tormenting. This ruins the game for alot of people including me. So please will you stop praising the FORCED ONLINE.

get over it little baby

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"] It technically is an option, but one would be a fool not to use it (it is pretty easy for a city to come crashing down). There are definitely some aspects of the game that I don't like, always being online is one them. The game heavily relies on cloud computing (see http://kotaku.com/5989720/simcity-boss-on-games-failure-this-is-on-maxis-we-own-it), which is why it is online only. In that case, it's a required feature that keeps the game from being offline.  People are just not happy with the direction of the series. If the cloud computing issue is why cannot be online, then it's not a DRM issue.  If people don't like it being online only, they don't have to play it obviously.  

k2theswiss

Simcity has always been a single player, OFFLINE game. The reason for it being online only DOES NOT MATTER. the simple fact of HAVING TO ALWAYS BE ONLINE is tormenting. This ruins the game for alot of people including me. So please will you stop praising the FORCED ONLINE.

get over it little baby

Ive been in love with simcity since i first saw a computer. I will never stop being a baby

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"] It technically is an option, but one would be a fool not to use it (it is pretty easy for a city to come crashing down). There are definitely some aspects of the game that I don't like, always being online is one them. The game heavily relies on cloud computing (see http://kotaku.com/5989720/simcity-boss-on-games-failure-this-is-on-maxis-we-own-it), which is why it is online only. In that case, it's a required feature that keeps the game from being offline.  People are just not happy with the direction of the series. If the cloud computing issue is why cannot be online, then it's not a DRM issue.  If people don't like it being online only, they don't have to play it obviously.  

MajorPain10

Simcity has always been a single player, OFFLINE game. The reason for it being online only DOES NOT MATTER. the simple fact of HAVING TO ALWAYS BE ONLINE is tormenting. This ruins the game for alot of people including me. So please will you stop praising the FORCED ONLINE.

Also, I want to ask a question.  How exactly does it ruin the game besides just not being able to play offline?  I understand internet outages and whatnot, but it would not feel any different than not being able to play your favorite MMO or f2p multiplayer game because your internet is out.    

First part yes. second part because its just always been a single player game and i dont want to always play with other people. i liked having my own city on my own computer and not having to rely on other people for parts of the game that should already be there. do you kinda get what im saying? imagine if roller coaster tycoon was always online. 

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Thats fine. but it should be an option to do that not forced since you have to be online. why are you defending the devil?

_SKatEDiRt_

Simcity has always been a single player, OFFLINE game. The reason for it being online only DOES NOT MATTER. the simple fact of HAVING TO ALWAYS BE ONLINE is tormenting. This ruins the game for alot of people including me. So please will you stop praising the FORCED ONLINE.

[QUOTE="MajorPain10"]

[QUOTE="_SKatEDiRt_"]

Simcity has always been a single player, OFFLINE game. The reason for it being online only DOES NOT MATTER. the simple fact of HAVING TO ALWAYS BE ONLINE is tormenting. This ruins the game for alot of people including me. So please will you stop praising the FORCED ONLINE.

_SKatEDiRt_

Also, I want to ask a question.  How exactly does it ruin the game besides just not being able to play offline?  I understand internet outages and whatnot, but it would not feel any different than not being able to play your favorite MMO or f2p multiplayer game because your internet is out.    

First part yes. second part because its just always been a single player game and i dont want to always play with other people. i liked having my own city on my own computer and not having to rely on other people for parts of the game that should already be there. do you kinda get what im saying? imagine if roller coaster tycoon was always online. 

I understand what you are saying but you can't seem to see past the fact they brought the game to the 21st centuray, I wish it did have a single player option even if it was a market place controled by scripted and terrible AI... I do want single player but man you really can't expect a billion dollar company to keep the game stuck in 2003, everything is cloud this and cloud that so it's a huge step forward(or was supposed to be) for Sim City, maybe the next game will have single player thanks to the terrible launch of this one.JohnF111

I don't mean to hijack this thread but feel the need to respond to this.

What they are doing is not bringing this game into the 21st century.  If anything, what is happening is a regression and de-evolution in gaming; a loss of rights, features, and freedoms.  If cloud gaming is the future, then it needs to be better done than what it is now.  This is how I see it:

Before:

• Freedom to buy initially and play it anytime and anyplace you wanted without the Internet.
• Local HDD saves.
• Being able to reinstall and play ten or twenty years from now.
• Being able to resell.

Now:

• Games that are designed from the ground up to be multiplayer experiences.  Sure, you can make a private game but by its inherent design it feels enforced to play with others, often compromising the "singleplayer" mode to shoehorn someone into playing with others.
• Cloud saves, meaning not able to load previous saves to experiment or fix something if a mistake is made.
• Servers inevitably taken down for EA to be able to force people to keep buying their new versions over and over again.  I think it largely grates on EA's nerves that people are still playing Simcity 4.  They want to trasition to a "service" ASAP so in the future people will no longer have this freedom, and from what I'm seeing from all these buying they'll have no trouble. 

Personally I hate the multiplayer centric focus.  Many want to chill out with their own city and not have to worry about dealing with a rude neighbor or having to worry about starting another village to maintain infrastructure that is not possible in one's own city due to it's limited scope.  There should be a single player mode, as all of the multiplayer crap could be completely separate if one wishes to go that route.  This whole social aspect is nothing more than a mask for DRM anyway.

I will always be labeled entitled for feeling this way.  Losing rights, complain, BAM you're entitled.  The way I see it, entitlement by its very definition demands more.  I'm not demanding more, what I am demanding is not to be given less than what has been offered in the past, which is what is happening.  If an innocent person was thrown in a cell whereas before they were free, and they then protested, is that entitlement?  I don't think so.  We're rapidly losing rights and features, it's as clear as day.  Wanting those back and to maintain those is not entitlement, but apparently it is to people who don't mind those rights they had previously to be continually stripped away.

I would be PERFECTLY fine with always online DRM and cloud gaming if it was done right.  If they could make a game work as they did 10-15 years ago, the same structure (single and multiplayer completely removed from one another), with local saves and guarantee to me that server dropouts would be very, very minimal, I could bite the bullet.  I have a steady connection, and if this is the way gaming is headed then I have no choice.  But the game has to be indiscernible from the past when none of this existed.  It has to be so flawless that I don't even know I'm connected to the net, just like when I watch Satellite TV it never even enters my mind what's going on up there in space.

If they can get it to that point and also start treating people with respect instead of like criminals, while keeping the DLC somewhat reasonable, then I'm open arms.  But what you're advocating is not progression, at least not at this point.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] I understand what you are saying but you can't seem to see past the fact they brought the game to the 21st centuray, I wish it did have a single player option even if it was a market place controled by scripted and terrible AI... I do want single player but man you really can't expect a billion dollar company to keep the game stuck in 2003, everything is cloud this and cloud that so it's a huge step forward(or was supposed to be) for Sim City, maybe the next game will have single player thanks to the terrible launch of this one.MirkoS77

I don't mean to hijack this thread but feel the need to respond to this.

What they are doing is not bringing this game into the 21st century.  If anything, what is happening is a regression and de-evolution in gaming; a loss of rights, features, and freedoms.  If cloud gaming is the future, then it needs to be better done than what it is now.  This is how I see it:

Before:

• Freedom to buy initially and play it anytime and anyplace you wanted without the Internet.
• Local HDD saves.
• Being able to reinstall and play ten or twenty years from now.
• Being able to resell.

Now:

• Games that are designed from the ground up to be multiplayer experiences.  Sure, you can make a private game but by its inherent design it feels enforced to play with others, often compromising the "singleplayer" mode to shoehorn someone into playing with others.
• Cloud saves, meaning not able to load previous saves to experiment or fix something if a mistake is made.
• Servers inevitably taken down for EA to be able to force people to keep buying their new versions over and over again.  I think it largely grates on EA's nerves that people are still playing Simcity 4.  They want to trasition to a "service" ASAP so in the future people will no longer have this freedom, and from what I'm seeing from all these buying they'll have no trouble. 

Personally I hate the multiplayer centric focus.  Many want to chill out with their own city and not have to worry about dealing with a rude neighbor or having to worry about starting another village to maintain infrastructure that is not possible in one's own city due to it's limited scope.  There should be a single player mode, as all of the multiplayer crap could be completely separate if one wishes to go that route.  This whole social aspect is nothing more than a mask for DRM anyway.

I will always be labeled entitled for feeling this way.  Losing rights, complain, BAM you're entitled.  The way I see it, entitlement by its very definition demands more.  I'm not demanding more, what I am demanding is not to be given less than what has been offered in the past, which is what is happening.  If an innocent person was thrown in a cell whereas before they were free, and they then protested, is that entitlement?  I don't think so.  We're rapidly losing rights and features, it's as clear as day.  Wanting those back and to maintain those is not entitlement, but apparently it is to people who don't mind those rights they had previously to be continually stripped away.

I would be PERFECTLY fine with always online DRM and cloud gaming if it was done right.  If they could make a game work as they did 10-15 years ago, the same structure (single and multiplayer completely removed from one another), with local saves and guarantee to me that server dropouts would be very, very minimal, I could bite the bullet.  I have a steady connection, and if this is the way gaming is headed then I have no choice.  But the game has to be indiscernible from the past when none of this existed.  It has to be so flawless that I don't even know I'm connected to the net, just like when I watch Satellite TV it never even enters my mind what's going on up there in space.

If they can get it to that point and also start treating people with respect instead of like criminals, while keeping the DLC somewhat reasonable, then I'm open arms.  But what you're advocating is not progression, at least not at this point.

Well its arrived at last and i have installed it and played the tutorial level and after coming out of that casino city in viewing mode thing. Its now stuck on loading Summer Shoals for past 20 mins is this one of the errors people been getting?.

All I heard reading that was "It's broken and I don't like the way they created it". We know this already, way to draw it out into a multiple paragraph post. Also in the "Before" section you never really were allowed to resell the game, it is against the EULA and TOS and TOU of every game on Earth to resell or let someone else play the game, the only difference in now there is a way to enforce that restriction and not have a 300 year old law interfere with it. Video Games ARE a service and always have been, you only buy a license to use the game, you do not own the game itself.JohnF111

All I heard read yours was, "The game's in the 21st century and is a huge step forward" without providing an inkling of supporting points or examples as to why it's a huge step, which  it's not, and which I provided points for and which you failed to rebut.  Cloud gaming is not a huge step forward, it's a step backward and I've elaborated as to why.  You haven't supported your position, I have.

I won't get into the whole used-game sales point as that's one concession I'm willing to see, I don't resell my games.  But anyway you cut it, we were able to resell our games in the past, today we're being threatened with being able not to.  Legally unjustifiable or not, that is not progress for the consumer as you seem to be implying. And if you claim there is now a way to restrict the selling of used software, then why is it possible on eBay and many other places? Seems to me I can buy used games everywhere.

In any case, you're mistaken that games are not products.  A product and a service are not mutually exclusive, they often co-exist.  You can go into a store to buy milk.  You can also have that milk delivered to your door.  That you can get milk delivered does not in any way cause milk to stop being a product, right?  Games have always been products.  By your reasoning, all your DVD movies that you have are services.  With games, you are buying a license to gain access to use that product, yes, but it is a product nonetheless.   Besides, I know that one does not own the game.  But ownership has nothing to do with whether or not games are a product or a service whatsoever.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"] All I heard reading that was "It's broken and I don't like the way they created it". We know this already, way to draw it out into a multiple paragraph post. Also in the "Before" section you never really were allowed to resell the game, it is against the EULA and TOS and TOU of every game on Earth to resell or let someone else play the game, the only difference in now there is a way to enforce that restriction and not have a 300 year old law interfere with it. Video Games ARE a service and always have been, you only buy a license to use the game, you do not own the game itself.MirkoS77

All I heard read yours was, "The game's in the 21st century and is a huge step forward" without providing an inkling of supporting points or examples as to why it's a huge step, which  it's not, and which I provided points for and which you failed to rebut.  Cloud gaming is not a huge step forward, it's a step backward and I've elaborated as to why.  You haven't supported your position, I have.

I won't get into the whole used-game sales point as that's one concession I'm willing to see, I don't resell my games.  But anyway you cut it, we were able to resell our games in the past, today we're being threatened with being able not to.  Legally unjustifiable or not, that is not progress for the consumer as you seem to be implying. And if you claim there is now a way to restrict the selling of used software, then why is it possible on eBay and many other places? Seems to me I can buy used games everywhere.

In any case, you're mistaken that games are not products.  A product and a service are not mutually exclusive, they often co-exist.  You can go into a store to buy milk.  You can also have that milk delivered to your door.  That you can get milk delivered does not in any way cause milk to stop being a product, right?  Games have always been products.  By your reasoning, all your DVD movies that you have are services.  With games, you are buying a license to gain access to use that product, yes, but it is a product nonetheless.   Besides, I know that one does not own the game.  But ownership has nothing to do with whether or not games are a product or a service whatsoever.

a huge step to failure