Shadowrun gets 6.9 Controls gimped and confirmed

The words "autoaim"and "balance" have no place in a PC FPS review. This whole crossplatform idea isn't going to work for me. Is this what MS is going to be doing for every Live game? If that's true, I will not support these games. If I wanted a console experience, I would play my consoles. I like my PC shooters for a reason. I'm sure I'm not the only PC Gamer to feel this way.

From GS review:

"Rather than limit auto-aim to just the 360 or to controller users, as the Vista version of Halo 2 did, Shadowrun gives a little bit of it to everyone, which is, of course, pumped up with the addition of the SmartLink ability. This might frustrate PC mouse-and-keyboard users, as it feels like your aim is being taken out of your hands a bit; and if you've been playing PC shooters with any regularity, you probably don't need the help. But regardless of how weird it can feel, it does at least feel balanced.

The controls aren't really gimped, you have an option of purchasing an "aiming enhancer" which is uneccessary if you good with your mouse, at least its not enhanced for controllers by default.

I really like this game but I do tend to agree with the review that there aren't enough maps and half the games I've played have ended by one team killing the other team despite whatever the game mode is.  I'll get a good bunch of hours out of it but doubt I'll pay for LIVE gold. 

"... it does at least feel balanced." I don't see what the problem here is. If it's balanced, why not? Sure, I'd like to see a "no holds barred" 360 vs PC game, but I'm sure that type of gameplay would alienate some players. I believe Shadowrun handled the cross platform play the best, especially considering this was the first game to ever do this (I think at least). Besides, you don't have to buy the SmartLink ability...ParkCarsHere

The problem is that they chose to GIMP the PC version in order to MAKE it balanced for cross-platorm competition with the Xbox360 controller users...

Eh, no.  The only reason it got a bad score was because your paying full for half of a game.  There are only 9 maps, very basic game modes, and 3 of the maps are just smaller versions of the same map.  Not to mention rather basic mishaps (no animations for ladder walking, every race looks identical, ect).

It mentions the controlls once in the review, and then goes as far as too say they actually feel smoother and more balanced than what Halo 2 did.  So what exactly is the major problem with controlls here again?

Eh, no. The only reason it got a bad score was because your paying full for half of a game. There are only 9 maps, very basic game modes, and 3 of the maps are just smaller versions of the same map. Not to mention rather basic mishaps (no animations for ladder walking, every race looks identical, ect).

It mentions the controlls once in the review, and then goes as far as too say they actually feel smoother and more balanced than what Halo 2 did. So what exactly is the major problem with controlls here again?

KorJax

As far as I'm concerned, any game that alters the mouse movement, is gimping. I like my PC shooters the way they are so I'm opposed to altering control schemes to make another group feel comfortable when playing. I think crossplatoform FPS is a lousy idea to begin with.

If I want to play a console shooter, I'll turn on my flippin 360. What I don't need is a MS studio toying with the M/K setup. 

How on  earth are the controls gimped? You move the mouse and your reticle moves. You press wsad and your character moves. Feels just as responsive as any other fps too.

I tested out smartlinked too and i was suprised at how little it actually helped. So somebody with genuinely good aim will always beat somebody with bad aim and smartlink.

 If you're gonna hate a game, hate it for the right reasons.

where does the skill come from if all users get autoaim? FPS games are about skill, now if this is an rpg game about combos and not skill then I don't want to touch it.nutcrackr

...skill and how fast your internet connection is lol 

"is this what MS is going to be doing for every Live game? If that's true, I will not support these games. If I wanted a console experience, I would play my consoles. I like my PC shooters for a reason. I'm sure I'm not the only PC Gamer to feel this way."

Im with you buddy, all the way. auto aiming bullcrap MS isnt going to take consol FPS's away from us. Crysis, bioshock and ut3 wont be like that.  

[QUOTE="nutcrackr"]where does the skill come from if all users get autoaim? FPS games are about skill, now if this is an rpg game about combos and not skill then I don't want to touch it.crapdog

...skill and how fast your internet connection is lol

yeah, keep believeing that.... I know people from france that can kick my ass in fear anyday and im pretty freaking good.  

How on  earth are the controls gimped? You move the mouse and your reticle moves. You press wsad and your character moves. Feels just as responsive as any other fps too.

I tested out smartlinked too and i was suprised at how little it actually helped. So somebody with genuinely good aim will always beat somebody with bad aim and smartlink.

 If you're gonna hate a game, hate it for the right reasons.

blx

My god, you need your head checked. The controls do not ract like other shooters at all, there is autoaim, and they have made it so squick turns that usually are possible with a mouse are not as responsive as to not give an advantage. The aiming is not precise like other FPS. No other PC FPS has as bad response out of the mouse as Shadowrun. Get Real. You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Controls are an integral part of games, so how is that not criticizing it for the right reasons? Shadowrun makes the mouse respond like a stick on a controller, and if you are used to playing with m/k, you should be pissed. It is rediculous to dumb down the responsiveness of the m/k as that is what makes playing FPS on a PC so good.

This is not the first game to be cross platform from console and PC... I remember playing quake 3 on PC with dreamcast users...but quake 3 on dreamcast also supported mouse and keyboard... and you didn't have to pay monthly fee to play together either...

Controls are an integral part of games, so how is that not criticizing it for the right reasons? Shadowrun makes the mouse respond like a stick on a controller, and if you are used to playing with m/k, you should be pissed. It is rediculous to dumb down the responsiveness of the m/k as that is what makes playing FPS on a PC so good.spiltmilk

Anyone who posted in this thread and hasn't actually played the game has no clue what they are talking about.  This is seriously the best online FPS experience since CS/CSS.  I haven't had this much fun in years.  If you all wanna be stuck up snobs and miss out on this absolutely fantastic game go ahead, but in the meantimes I'll be having fun owning some 360 users. 

 Just got this achievement in Windows Live:

Mine Is The Superior Platform
Kill 100 players on the opposite platform.

50

This game is fun. They made it harder to aim (on both mouse and controller) to let you use other abilities so its not your typical every day run of the mill shooter. It's a heck of a lot of fun...hopefully they release some more maps.

edit: its still not hard to get your crosshairs on someone just like any fps, the guns are just less accurate...